NationStates Jolt Archive

An updated member list of DNAC:
1. Apollopoli
2. Lontorica
3. Tanah Burung (Recipient Applicable)
4. Sokojito
5. East-Europe
6. Garrison II
7. Well Being
8. The United Apostates
9. West Token
10. Lavenrunz
11. Knootoss
12. Vyse King of Rouges
13. Endless Islands
14. Constantinopolis (Recipient Applicable)
15. Xikuang (Recipient Applicable)
16. Celdonia
17. Cho-to-ki (Recipient Applicable)
18. Aerigia
19. Moviewatcher
20. The Outlands
21. Minionski (Recipient Applicable)
22. Fritz (Recipient Applicable)
23. New Cyprus
24. SaturnValley (Recipient Applicable)
25. Cirdanistan
26. Velmora (Recipient Applicable)

All the proposals made (both in this thread http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1244112 and the other thread http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1200563 ) seem acceptable enough. What needs to happen is to vote on these proposals. Proposals have currently been submitted by Tanah Burung, SaturnValley, Xikuang, and Cirdanistan. Currently we need 18 approvals to accept these proposals.

DNAC MEMBERS ARE TO POST HERE WHETHER THEY ARE FOR, AGAINST OR ABSTAIN.

NOTE: ONLY DNAC MEMBERS MAY VOTE



Currently the voting goes as: (this is what i have gathered so far from all threads)
Tanah Burung's Proposal
FOR: (14 )
Apollopoli, The Outlands, Aerigia, Xikuang, Cirdanistan, West Token, Endless Islands, Celdonia, Lavenrunz, Knootoss, Fritz, Garrison II, Moviewatcher, Cho-to-ki
AGAINST: (0)

ABSTAIN: (1)
Tanah Burung

SaturnValley's Proposal
FOR: (15 )
Tanah Burung, Apollopoli, Aerigia, Xikuang, Cirdanistan, West Token, Endless Islands, The Outlands, Celdonia, Lavenrunz, Knootoss, Fritz, Garrison II, Moviewatcher, Cho-to-ki
AGAINST: (0)

ABSTAIN: (0)


Xikuang's Proposal
FOR: (15)
Tanah Burung, Apollopoli, The Outlands, Cirdanistan, West Token, Celdonia, Endless Islands, Lavenrunz, Knootoss, Fritz, Garrison II, Moviewatcher, Cho-to-ki
AGAINST: (0)

ABSTAIN: (0)

Voting for Cirdanistan's Proposal has been cancelled (Cirdanistan is inapplicable for aid [because of economic development]).

Cidanistan's proposal falls into three parts. We feel that parts one and three (IT and environmental mitigation of uranium mining) should be approved. As to item two (construction of large ships) we would ask for a guarantee from Cirdanistan that funds from DNAC will not be used for military purposes. Subject to this condition, we would cast our vote in favour; otherwise, we will abstain.

La'o hamutuk, mau bere!

Constancio Ainaro
People's representative for social justice

We undertsand the cocnern of the nation of Tanah burung,and will promise that facilities built with DNAC money will not be use dto directly construct military ships....However,once the shipyards become sufficient to fudn themsleves,further development will occur and it is being seriously considered by the Supreme Revolutionary Council that in a decade or two the final expansion will possibly include a wing destined to our burgeoning navy.We would like to stress that DNAC funds woudl have been long used up before that time however.

A diplomatic memo dispatched from the High Pontiff indicates his APPROVAL of ALL proposals.

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* Communication from the Office of Economics & Financials, dept. of International Development & Trade *

1) Cirdanistan proposal

- On point 1 : while IT/R&D could indeed be a profitable sector, we consider it as unsteady and very versatile, as well as a very important consumer of funds. Our first advise would be to spend the DNAC money on steadier sectors that would give Cirdanistan a strong basis for its future development. However, we won't reject that point since it seems the nation has already a good R&D basis and therefore high chances to get a great benefit from aid to such a sector.
- On point 2 : we do not feel a country like yours is in need of such infrastructure, and therefore, we reject this point.
- On point 3 : the environmental effort is good, and we support this point, but we request that studies be conducted to show the funds have been wisely used.

Since point 2 remains problematic in our opinion, we are forced to vote AGAINST this proposal. However, should it be addressed statisfyingly, we would of course change our vote.

2) Xikuang's proposal

On the principle, we support the requested allocation of funds, and therefore the proposal.
However, we ask that public services be done keeping in mind that 'efficiency' and 'productivity' are not only words for the private industry. Too often have we seen public services employing a lot more people than necessary, and dispatched very unwisely on the territory (while public services should try to serve everyone, they should also concentrate in areas where they are most needed, leaving if necessary areas where they are a lot less needed, and this particularily when their funds are limited).
Should this be confirmed, our vote would be FOR. Otherwise, consider an abstention.

3) SaturnValley's proposal

Of course, this proposal is accepted, given it is related to most basic needs.
Our vote is FOR.

4) Tanah Burung's proposal

Producing electricity through wind turbines is very good environmentally speaking, but we feel that nuclear energy would be more adapted to the circumstances and to your needs. Please note that maintaining wind turbines is also very expensive, and since electricity must be a public service and therefore be accessible to everyone, we strongly suggest that you reconsider your will.
However, since there are guarantees on the return of funds, we vote FOR.


Yours Sincerely,
Lea Grooves
Chief of the dept. of International Development & Trade, OEF
Commonwealth of Endless Islands

Given the assurances by Cirdanistan, we are prepared to supprot the application in its entirety.

Sicne some questions have been asked as to our energy generation policy, we inform DNAC members that it is the policy of the people and government of Tanah Burung to NOT explore nuclear or hydro-electric power generation. Both these methods have been determined to carry unacceptable ecological risk, and were rejected in the latest binding referendum on energy policy. However, we are exploring the possibilities of solar power generation on a large scale.

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With regards to assurances/guarantees of funds distribution, DNAC can send observers to ensure that funding is correctly distributed or can even distribute the aid itself.

The Nation must be willing to allow access for DNAC within the country to allow for the distribution of aid.

IMPORTANT:due to recent economic development in the last 18 months,and thanks to cooperation and solidarity amongst the workers of the People's Republic of Cirdanistan,the UN now rates our economy as "good" whereas 2 years ago it was classified as imploded.therefore we are no longer applicable for aid and withdraw our application,but continue our support for the DNAC and the other applications.
P.S.:all DNAC members are invited to a party shortly to be held in New Grey Havens,our capital,to celebrate this achievement.

I would like to congratulate Cirdanistan's people and government on their economic accomplishments. In light of your new ineligibility for DNAC funding and understanding your continued needs for the infrastructure projects, perhaps a private arrangement might be reached.

As for the vote on SaturnValley's proposal, Los Lejanos votes to APPROVE the request for aid.

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* Communication from the Office of Economics & Financials, dept. of International Development & Trade *

2) Xikuang's proposal

On the principle, we support the requested allocation of funds, and therefore the proposal.
However, we ask that public services be done keeping in mind that 'efficiency' and 'productivity' are not only words for the private industry. Too often have we seen public services employing a lot more people than necessary, and dispatched very unwisely on the territory (while public services should try to serve everyone, they should also concentrate in areas where they are most needed, leaving if necessary areas where they are a lot less needed, and this particularily when their funds are limited).
Should this be confirmed, our vote would be FOR. Otherwise, consider an abstention.



We understand your concerns regardung efficiency and productivity, and we share them. It os general policy in Xikuang to allow people as much control over their own governance and resources as possible, and it is in keeping with this tenet of our ideology that we seek to involve as many local people as possible in the overseeing and development of public resources. We also, however, believe that efficiency and productivity are a natural attendant to this. No one knows best what resources are most needed in local communities as the members of those communities themselves. Locality committees have already been meeting to discuss their specific needs and how best they might be met, and the involvement of the general committees has been to make suggestions and provide information regarding what technologies and methodologies might be available.

We wish to assure you that we are very much aware of the fact that resources are limited and of the need to allocate them sensibly, and we are open to suggestions by DNAC members as to how to improve efficiency, should there be concerns. Any projects funded by the DNAC are of course open to DNAC inspection teams at all times.

With benedictions,

Dr. Xu, the Elected, Chair of the Elected General Council of Xikuang

Celdonia is pleased to vote in favour of all the proposals before us.


OOC: Apologies for not getting involved before now, but this seemed to keep slipping below my radar.

We understand your concerns regardung efficiency and productivity, and we share them. It os general policy in Xikuang to allow people as much control over their own governance and resources as possible, and it is in keeping with this tenet of our ideology that we seek to involve as many local people as possible in the overseeing and development of public resources. We also, however, believe that efficiency and productivity are a natural attendant to this. No one knows best what resources are most needed in local communities as the members of those communities themselves. Locality committees have already been meeting to discuss their specific needs and how best they might be met, and the involvement of the general committees has been to make suggestions and provide information regarding what technologies and methodologies might be available.

We wish to assure you that we are very much aware of the fact that resources are limited and of the need to allocate them sensibly, and we are open to suggestions by DNAC members as to how to improve efficiency, should there be concerns. Any projects funded by the DNAC are of course open to DNAC inspection teams at all times.

With benedictions,

Dr. Xu, the Elected, Chair of the Elected General Council of Xikuang
In this case, we wish to change our vote into a "FOR" as to the Xikuang proposal.

Lea Grooves
Chief of the dept. of International Development & Trade, OEF, CEI

I vote NO!

"The Empire of Lavenrunz endorses the proposals as read."
says Arvid Pluskat, Representative to the DNAC.

Together with our collegues from SATO, we vote FOR the proposals

Tanah Burung's Proposal: FOR
SaturnValley's Proposal: FOR
Xikuang's Proposal: FOR

And note that we are are willing to contribute funds for the entire operation in Tanah Burung, should they accept this offer.

Our application to the DNAC is valued at $136-million. If approved, we will be grateful to receive funds from the DNAC. If Knootoss would like to make a donation to the DNAC central funds in any amount that suits them, we would of course be pleased at their commitment to the organization as a whole.
-- Ainaro

*Donates 136 million more dollars to into the fund*

OOC: Hey, I did my job :)

EDIT: and this is posted above your post. Weird... forum is screwed up

Perhaps we should diplomatically telegram DNAC members and solicit their votes? (ooc:-- I won't be in for the rest of the day, but if no one else does it today, I'll be happy to do it tomorrow)

That was odd :? .

OOC: Anyway, I would telegram DNAC members asking for voting but I can't log onto NS at the moment. I read there is a whole screw-up with a time-fix, that could be the cause of our little forum problem here.

]I'm about to correct the system clock, which got out of whack in the crash, so time-related things may be a little odd for the next 20 hours.

Forum messages may appear before ones that were posted later; that kind of thing.

There hasn't been any voting for more than a week, and we are still far away from getting the Two-thirds majority needed to pass motions.

One option is to interpret the two-thirds rule as meaning 2/3 of votes cast must be "yes" -- ie abstentions do not count against the proposals.

After that blackout, we really need the wind-power!

Taking a note of votes already cast, I have wired the following telegram to tha nations of Lontorica, Sokojito, East-Europe, Garrison II, Well Being, The United Apostates, Vyse King of Rogues, Constantinopolis, Cho-to-ki, Moviewatcher, Minionski, Fritz, New Cyprus, and Velmora:


To the Signatory Member Nations of the Developing Nations Aid Commission DNAC:

I write to inform you as to the proceeding of the DNAC, that you may be kept abreast of the Commission's activities and participate therein. May I inform you that there are several aid applications on the table for review, and voting as to the applicability of DNAC funding for these proposals is underway. Your review and vote on these applications is kindly solicited. Please find the applications and voting here:


link (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=61344&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=f09afd92a229daa31aeb270ebc70c876)

If you have already voted in the proceedings, please forgive my oversight. Thank you very much for your attention.

With benedictions,

Kham Khitai, Elected General Councillor, Liaison to CACE and the DNAC, the Most Serene Republic of Xikuang.

My telegram to Saturn Valley was returned with a 'not found' error. I suspect that sadly this nation may have dissolved.

I hope that my actions meet with the approval of the DNAC. I propose to give nations a week or so to respond, thereafter to regard non-voters as abstainers and proceed according to Tanah Burung's suggestion.

-K. K.

the government of Knootoss agrees
~Random member of the Diplomatic corps abroad

I vote for, for all three

Garrison II votes yes for all 3

The Queendom of Fritz votes FOR on all three proposals.

Yeah, that sounds good 8)

I just checked, SaturnValley was last active 15 days ago... seems like a deletion is coming up soon. I'll wait a bit before removing it from the records.

Democratic bump.

I believe we have seen about as many votes as we are likely to receive. I suggest it is time to count the votes and act accordingly.

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Cho-to-ki votes for all three proposals, and apologizes for sending our most untimely delegate.

I believe we have seen about as many votes as we are likely to receive. I suggest it is time to count the votes and act accordingly.

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Second that. Not that i'm biased or anything.

Yep, it sounds like we should close voting and count votes:

Tanah Burung's Proposal
FOR: (14 )
Apollopoli, The Outlands, Aerigia, Xikuang, Cirdanistan, West Token, Endless Islands, Celdonia, Lavenrunz, Knootoss, Fritz, Garrison II, Moviewatcher, Cho-to-ki
AGAINST: (0)

ABSTAIN: (1)
Tanah Burung

SaturnValley's Proposal
FOR: (15 )
Tanah Burung, Apollopoli, Aerigia, Xikuang, Cirdanistan, West Token, Endless Islands, The Outlands, Celdonia, Lavenrunz, Knootoss, Fritz, Garrison II, Moviewatcher, Cho-to-ki
AGAINST: (0)

ABSTAIN: (0)


Xikuang's Proposal
FOR: (15)
Tanah Burung, Apollopoli, The Outlands, Cirdanistan, West Token, Celdonia, Endless Islands, Lavenrunz, Knootoss, Fritz, Garrison II, Moviewatcher, Cho-to-ki
AGAINST: (0)

ABSTAIN: (0)

Voting for Cirdanistan's Proposal has been cancelled (Cirdanistan is inapplicable for aid [because of economic development]


All three motions recieved a generally overwhelming result, (taking into consideration the lack of not all people voting). The three motions can be passed and implemented as soon as possible.

Note: SaturnValley has been inactive for 27 days, and therefore it may unnecessary to implement his proposal.

I think it is officially safe to declare all voting closed.

ooc: woohoo! I'll get started making vast, dramatic improvements to my nation! :D

We express our appreciation for this generous vote of confidence from the membership of the DNAC, and offer each delegate a miniature replica wind mill as a token of thanks. Project implementation will begin at once, and will of course be open to DNAC inspection at any time.

In solidarity,
Constancio Ainaro
People's representative for social justice

We look forward to future DNAC meetings and correspondence and thank Tanah Burung and Apollopoli for their efforts. And the wind mill looks good in the High Pontiff's office.

The Bureacracy

ooc: just posted this:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1541613#1541613

Everything seems to be going really good. I think that we should start moving to getting another round of applications for funding soon.

I wonder if we might not have a go at drumming up a bit more interest in the DNAC? Perhaps we might hold an open conference for members and anyone interested. With a couple of ongoing success stories, we might be able to get some more nations involved.

It would be nice to get more Nations in on this project. I'd personally like to see more 'pro-active' nations (nations that agree to DNAC, stick around and contribute) and some more developing nations.

Well, I'm game! Unfortunately not for the rest of the weekend... but yes, a conference would be good. Invitations by TG sent out to all members, open invitation on the forums, perhaps members could post to their regions as well? We could get some interest going.

I created a new thread that gives details of the last round of voting but also uses the success stories to "advertise" DNAC. It provides links to all the important DNAC (and related) threads as well.

It can be found here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1706982

Apollopoli, I was thinking of hosting the next conference, but some issues have come up in the CACE that have t be resolved before I can do that....