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***Written by Kevin Smith, Reporter for the National Isolated News Network***

In an anticipated news conference today, Chairman of the Council of Defense Dominus Mark announced new plans regarding a secretive hush-hush military program that has been rumored about for the past few months. The conference today was an official introduction regarding that program.

Called the Mobile Offshore Base for Operations - or MOBO - , it is intended to reduce the need for large number of carriers.

Gathered from initial data relased by the Defense Council, these bases are practically small ocean-based cities. Consiting of several smaller modules that would be fitted in place - with room to expand if necessary - these bases can cover all ranges of military operations in a theater of battle. An average-sized base would be about 20 modules (or approx. 5000 ft by 2500 ft) could have as many as 8 main runways for large aircraft such as bombers and cargo planes, and a number of various smaller sized runways. Two main ports can service most large Navy ships, with many smaller docking areas for smaller vesseles. Plans are also for the accomidation of 5500 Marines, or in an emergency 8500. Storage facilities can store up to 500,000 tons of equipment, 85 million tons of fuel and aviation gas, and 60 million tons of drinkable water. It is also estimated that a base of around this size will require about 3000 personnel to operate at full conditions.

The defenses for the MOBO are impressive. Relying on an upgraded Aegis radar system, operators can track surface vessels and airborne objects up to 300 miles away. A ring of sonar buoys can be deployed (recomended at least 2 miles out, due to noise caused by the propulsion system to move the modules) to increase sub-surface hearing. There are numerous specified points for surface-to-surface, or surface-to-air missiles such as SAMS and Harpoons. The total number of launchers will differ depending on the number of modules, as each module can hold up to four launchers. Other options for defenses, such as Rail Guns or other cannon systems, are availible to be installed. But as such land bases, the main defense is on the escort ships and each bases air complement.

While still in research and development of needed technologies, the Chairman said each one could cost up to $5 billion to make and $2 billion per year for operations and maintinance.

The Chairman also said that any friendly nation willing to help with research or development of a MOBO should contact him or the First Preator. He also said that, while this will remain a Dominion-only base for now, exceptions for our allies and friends are possible.


***End of Report***

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EDIT: spelling, added more specifics, and adjusted estimated price to match

Initial design concept of the base:

The MOBO (http://popularmechanics.com/science/military/2003/4/battle_island/)

Hmm, We still have all that earth that we excavated when "mined for precious metals" and made our "mass transit" railway system. This looks to be a possible alternative for all that material.

BTW, are you accepting grants in exchange for a share in the design? Basic blueprints, utilities design, and propulsion schematics are what we'd be after.

The Kingdom of Crookfur is very interested in this developement and would like to aid in the research and/or funding if possible.

the Gun Brothers,

At the moment, we have developed about half of the needed hardware and materials for construction of the base. Currently, we are researching the docking clamps and hydrolic stabalizing systems to keep the base stable enough to conduct air operations.

If you wish to make a donation in either money -in grant or loan form- or personnel of scientists or engineers, we are willing to help you by offering our design schematics and research if you would like.

We could also work out an arrangment if you would like you own MOBO, in which we could build it for you at a premium discount.

the Gun Brothers,

At the moment, we have developed about half of the needed hardware and materials for construction of the base. Currently, we are researching the docking clamps and hydrolic stabalizing systems to keep the base stable enough to conduct air operations.

If you wish to make a donation in either money -in grant or loan form- or personnel of scientists or engineers, we are willing to help you by offering our design schematics and research if you would like.

We could also work out an arrangment if you would like you own MOBO, in which we could build it for you at a premium discount.

We will send the total sum of $500,000,000 to help with the research and construction of the MOBO. We are interested in owning our own MOBO, but we would prefer the design schematics and research, so that we can make any changes necessary to support our craft and needs.

*wires $500,000,000 USD to Isolationist People for R&D of the MOBO*

Crookfur,

We gladly welcome any aid you wish to provide. Currently, we have developed half of the hardware and material needed to make such a military base. Research is progressing, but slowly at times due to applications of theories not resulting in desired results. If you would like, we could use help in research towards the propulsion and stablizing systems for each module in rough sea conditions (Sea State 5 is the highest we've tested so far).

If you do help us with this endevor and are interested in constructing some yourself, we can offer you the blueprints, designs and help in making one. If this is acceptable to you, we kindly ask that you not share this technology with other countries.

the Gun Brothers,

At the moment, we have developed about half of the needed hardware and materials for construction of the base. Currently, we are researching the docking clamps and hydrolic stabalizing systems to keep the base stable enough to conduct air operations.

If you wish to make a donation in either money -in grant or loan form- or personnel of scientists or engineers, we are willing to help you by offering our design schematics and research if you would like.

We could also work out an arrangment if you would like you own MOBO, in which we could build it for you at a premium discount.

We will send the total sum of $500,000,000 to help with the research and construction of the MOBO. We are interested in owning our own MOBO, but we would prefer the design schematics and research, so that we can make any changes necessary to support our craft and needs.

*wires $500,000,000 USD to Isolationist People for R&D of the MOBO*


We gladly accept your donation. It will be used to research into the best material for the foundation and support that will be able to last for at least 20 years in the rough sea conditions.

As for your own MOBO, we understand that you may wish to make your own design or changes if need be. We have no problem with that, and you can keep the design schematics for yourself. We will also send you the rest of ours once we have completed research. We only ask that you not share any of the designs or technologies obtained from us in this endevor with other nations not apart of research or development.

the Gun Brothers,

At the moment, we have developed about half of the needed hardware and materials for construction of the base. Currently, we are researching the docking clamps and hydrolic stabalizing systems to keep the base stable enough to conduct air operations.

If you wish to make a donation in either money -in grant or loan form- or personnel of scientists or engineers, we are willing to help you by offering our design schematics and research if you would like.

We could also work out an arrangment if you would like you own MOBO, in which we could build it for you at a premium discount.

We will send the total sum of $500,000,000 to help with the research and construction of the MOBO. We are interested in owning our own MOBO, but we would prefer the design schematics and research, so that we can make any changes necessary to support our craft and needs.

*wires $500,000,000 USD to Isolationist People for R&D of the MOBO*


We gladly accept your donation. It will be used to research into the best material for the foundation and support that will be able to last for at least 20 years in the rough sea conditions.

As for your own MOBO, we understand that you may wish to make your own design or changes if need be. We have no problem with that, and you can keep the design schematics for yourself. We will also send you the rest of ours once we have completed research. We only ask that you not share any of the designs or technologies obtained from us in this endevor with other nations not apart of research or development.

We agree to the keeping of this research to ourselves. Thank you, and we look forward to recieving your research.

The GLA would like to help in this project, a co-op would work quite well, any info you want to share post it on our Science Forums, here:
http://com3.akheva.com/bgamefaqsliberationarmy

The GLA would like to help in this project, a co-op would work quite well, any info you want to share post it on our Science Forums, here:
http://com3.akheva.com/bgamefaqsliberationarmy


Since we have had no contact or dealings with you before, we are a little leery as to your nation's interest. Perhaps you could give us some information about your nation, the GLA and its member nations, and anything else you would find relevant, before we decide one way or the other.

I can donate 7 billion from some of my sales to this project as long as production rights are allowed to the nation of Hontah.

Since we have had no contact or dealings with you before, we are a little leery as to your nation's interest. Perhaps you could give us some information about your nation, the GLA and its member nations, and anything else you would find relevant, before we decide one way or the other.

The GLA isnt a group of nations, actualy only three people (currently) in the GLA even play NS.
The GLA itself is a gamefaqs.com based organization. Were ICly a semi-terrorist organization, devoted to freeing Gamefaqs from 'the tyranny of the moderators' (who really suck, I got a temporary suspension and a -10 karma (basicaly a day-count) for calling somebody a 'lamer').
Aaaannnnyway...

The GLA isnt a group of nations, actualy only three people (currently) in the GLA even play NS.
The GLA itself is a gamefaqs.com based organization. Were ICly a semi-terrorist organization, devoted to freeing Gamefaqs from 'the tyranny of the moderators' (who really suck, I got a temporary suspension and a -10 karma (basicaly a day-count) for calling somebody a 'lamer').
Aaaannnnyway...


After serious consideration amoung the Council of Defense and Council of Science & Research (in which at least one fight broke out), The Dominion has decided that it would not be in our interests to allow you or the GLA to participate in this endevor. We are mildly concerned about your terrorist dealings, due to our policy against terrorism. We thank you for your interest, and maybe in time we can do other types of business.

I can donate 7 billion from some of my sales to this project as long as production rights are allowed to the nation of Hontah.

OOC: Holy C**p thats a lot of money to donate!!! :shock:


IC: The Dominion is grateful for this support. However, we are unfamiliar with your nation or its past history and dealings in world affairs. We would like to know your current state of government, if your currently in any wars or will be soon, and any other relevent information regarding your nation you deem acceptable to share before we reach an decision either way.

As for production rights, any nation that is accepted to work on research, or donates money or materials, will be given full access to the schematics to build their own. The only stipulation is that you not share any knowledge or material with nations not helping in this endevor, as this is copyrighted material.

The Grand Duchy is extremely interested in this project. We are willing to send 10 of our top scientists and 100 laborers in addition to a grant of 1 billion in exchange for schematics, designs etc. that would allow us to create our own. Thank you.

Christopher Llewyllen
Ministry of Research and Development

Oh well, could you direct me to your air conditioner?
:lol:
Ill be leaving then.

We are...interested in the project. We would be willing to donate up to 10 Billion USD and we have 120 million tons of titanium that could go to this project. We would require schematics for the base itself and any new technologies, but we believe this is fair.

We are...interested in the project. We would be willing to donate up to 10 Billion USD and we have 120 million tons of titanium that could go to this project. We would require schematics for the base itself and any new technologies, but we believe this is fair.


The Dominion, after debate in the Councils, has decided to accept your offer of help in this endevor. We have set aside a separate account from our national funds for this project if you'd like to donate money. Any material donated will also be gladly welcomed, since we do not have a stable supply of the titanium you offer.

As a partner in this project, we fully intend to disclose to you any and all of our blueprints, schematics, and technology developed. The one stipulation is that none of the designs or technology you recieve be given to any nation not apart of this partnership, as this is a copyrighted project. You are free to have production rights for yourself, but do not sell any to other nations. That is exclusivly my right.

The Grand Duchy is extremely interested in this project. We are willing to send 10 of our top scientists and 100 laborers in addition to a grant of 1 billion in exchange for schematics, designs etc. that would allow us to create our own. Thank you.

Christopher Llewyllen
Ministry of Research and Development


The Dominion has taken this under advisement, and has decided to accept your proposal. We gladly welcome the extra assistance you provide with more personnel, as this will help speed up the process.

In exchange for your participation, you are free to use any technology or designs in this project to create one of your own to your own specifications and needs. You will have full production rights to make however many you want. However, there is a stipulation to this: that you do not share any of this technology, or the designs or knowledge to make this technology, with any other nation not apart of this partnership. Also, you will only have production rights for you own nation; you are not to sell any. That will remain exclusively with The Dominion.

We thank you again, and await your scientists.

As a formal sign of Aid to this project the Crookfur governemnt opens it's naval research insitute to Isolationist People and makes a research grant of $20billion. We can can provide secure testing areas in the seas off our north coast where the weather can be very rough (like the north atlantic at it's worse and thats about right for a bad day).

Nations in project:

Head:
Isolationist People

Assisting:
The Gun Brothers
Crookfur
Anaguum
Scandavian States

Disclaimer
These nations, upon completion of testing and development, will have full production rights to build their own MOBOs. They agree not to produce, sell, or give a MOBO, technology or designs to ANY nation not listed.

No other nations will be accepted.

~B. Matzn
First Preator
Dominion of Isolated People
Member of "The Alliance"
Member of "The UNP"
Member of NATO

Testing of the hydroelastic system to determine stability in rough seas is being transfered to Crookfur, who will take charge of this area of research.

SS will have responsibility of building a durable structure with the titanium they have offered to use. The longer the metal can hold in ocean conditions without having to be replaced, the better.

Anaguum will oversee propulsion systems. Currently, we'd like to see if a hydrogen-based system could be incorperated, since that would be the best environmentally due to the hydrogen being all around in the water.

The Gun Brothers will take the lead in strucural designing, figuring out how to maximize the amount of material that can be stored and how many planes, ships, etc. can be serviced by one MOBO. Also, accomidations for troops and personnel to run a MOBO.

As for myself, we will now focus on the bridging systems to connect each module to another safely and securely. The runway systems for planes is projected to take the longest to develop to optimal standards.

If all goes well, we hope we can have an experimental one ready in 4 months (4 days RL). When trials are complete, then full-scale production can begin.

OOC: To all that are participating, feel free to post your progress or delays here

Great, the government will be contracting our own Polaris Naval Arms for the construction, if you could give a deadline to operate off of that would be great.

OOC: I don't really have a timetable per se, just what seems reasonable to me. You can make up your own progress as you see fit. The only deadline I had in mind was that I'd like to have an experimental one finished by friday of next week so we can begin trials. Other than that, your free to decide for yourself. 8)

Progress Report #1:

After many failed designs, the Anaguumian Science Department has come up with a working hydrogen based propulsion system. Dubbed the X/V-1, the system was capable of powering ships weighing up to 5 tons. Water is drawn from outside the boat and purified by an onboard water-making device. Using renewable or other energy sources, an onboard electrolysis unit produces hydrogen and oxygen from the water. The hydrogen is stored in onboard tanks for use by any suitable powerplant, from fuel cells to internal combustion engines. Research continues to allow the system to power larger vessels.

Progress Report on Bridging System:


Despite some early setbacks, our engineers are pleased to announce that the connection systems of each module are complete. The final design incorporates a hydrolic steam-powered equilibrium system. It works by using ocean water to create the steam, which is kept at a specific temperature. The actual locks and bars are made of titanium, which insert into and lock with duplicate parts on another module, forming a lock. The steam is then used to heat the metal, causing it to expand and create enough friction to hold in place while creating enough moisture as to not cause damage to the materials.

Each module will contain a pair of these systems on each side that is to be attached to another module, creating a redundant system should the other one start to give. This is especially important for the runways, which need to be perfectly aligned.

It is also recomended that maintinance checks be performed on a weekly basis to maintain optimal performance.

Well, I think we've come up with a design we like for the structure that would meet or exceed stress and maintenance requirements. Polaris Naval Arms actually has a civilian branch that manufactures superlarge tankers so that's covered but they had a stroke of genius when one of the engineers suggested that compensating for the large waves in the higher sea states would be no different than sky scrapers compensating for high upper story winds by bending a little to avoid building stress. What they came up with was that the support structure could be designed to "give" a little when large waves disturbe the plaform without interfering with the operations of aircraft. We don't know if this is in our area but we have also designed a supercomputer that would be installed in each cell and it would be constantly monitoring anything about the hull, support structures and the like that failure to maintain could cause catastrophic failures with the platform. We have already begun constructing the structure and it should be finished by Sunday at the latest.

OOC: I'm not sure how it would get from here to there but I won't be around to RP delivering it anyways so you'll have to RP recieving it in my absence.

The Gun Brothers will take the lead in strucural designing, figuring out how to maximize the amount of material that can be stored and how many planes, ships, etc. can be serviced by one MOBO. Also, accomidations for troops and personnel to run a MOBO.



OOC: I had typed a response to this, but it seems that the message disappeared (having a few computer problems).

IC: Work has progressed on the Gun Brothers share of the project development. Some numbers still need to be plugged into our formulas before we can progress further. We will need figures on the finished physical size, and the data concerning how big/where/how many weapon systems are going to be located on the MOBO. All data we currently have is being faxed to Isolationist People, and we will be sending copies to all members of the design team (in case they need any data from our work).

Progess in the Crookfur section has been slowed due to unusually nice weather in the northern seas but we are expecting some more productive weather soon. THe Hydroelastic design reamians on schedule barring any more delays in testing.

Updates from all participating nations have been faxed and recieved.


Fancy way of saying......BUMP!

Final design pictures and concepts have been developed, along with dimensions and other needed data. Blueprints will soon follow, leading up to the building of an experimental one for sea trials.

All updates and data since last contact are being sent to participating nations.(sadly I don't have a pic to upload). Original designs and specifics presented before (on first page) will suffice.

Scientists continued to work dilligently despite the unrest. We have been able to power very large objects up to ______ tons (OOC: However heavy the final thing will be).

OOC: Um, is there something going on in your nation? What unrest is there?

Yeah, sorry about the tonnage thing. Forgot about that.

Each individual module is projected not to be more than 20 tons in weight, but we'd like parameters to be for 10-30 tons, for a little breathing room.

OOC: Um, is there something going on in your nation? What unrest is there?

Yeah, sorry about the tonnage thing. Forgot about that.

Each individual module is projected not to be more than 20 tons in weight, but we'd like parameters to be for 10-30 tons, for a little breathing room.

OOC: Just a slight coup, nothing to worry about. Everything is happening far away from the capital, where the scientists are.

OOC: If it does start to get larger, I can help if you like. My forces, especially my spec ops, are itching for some fight to get into.

Also, you can more your scientists out to my nation, if you'd like.

OOC: If it does start to get larger, I can help if you like. My forces, especially my spec ops, are itching for some fight to get into.

Also, you can more your scientists out to my nation, if you'd like.

OOC: Thanks for both offers. As for the coup, everything is fine on that front. However, I will move my scientists out, just in case things do start to heat up in the capital. Check out this thread if you're interested.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63828&highlight=

We would be most interested in purchasing a battle island when
it becomes available.

We would be most interested in purchasing a battle island when
it becomes available.


Your interest is noted. Though, we must say it may be some time before they are for sale. We are still in testing phases, and no full scale experimental one has been built.

We would be most interested in purchasing a battle island when
it becomes available.


Your interest is noted. Though, we must say it may be some time before they are for sale. We are still in testing phases, and no full scale experimental one has been built.

Understood Iso, Do you need any more investors in the project?

We would be most interested in purchasing a battle island when
it becomes available.


Your interest is noted. Though, we must say it may be some time before they are for sale. We are still in testing phases, and no full scale experimental one has been built.

Understood Iso, Do you need any more investors in the project?


Nah, I've got all the help needed with these nations. Thanks for your interest, I'll be sure to let you know when they would be up for sale.


Update:

7 months have passed since the last update, and all designs and experiments have been completed and submitted. The final selection process will not take long to figure out the working design we would like. Work has already begun at one of our shipping yards to prepare the yard for the construction of the experimental base.

The Gun Brothers has recently completed construction of a large scale shipyards, and would be willing to help with the construction of the prototype MOBO. Feel free to contact our Minister of Foriegn Affairs if you wish to utilize this extra resource.

I am still extremely interested in this technology, please keep me informed on your progress with it.

I am still extremely interested in this technology, please keep me informed on your progress with it.


As I have said before, your interest is noted. To keep informed, keep checking this thread. You don't have to post on it. I will let you know by TG when they will be available to be purchased, but that will be some time still, as this is a personal project for my nation and ther others helping.

Update:

After moving work to the nation of The Gun Brothers to take advantage of their recently enlarged shipyards, parts and equipment for an experimental MOBO are awaiting assembling. In what will be considered about a medium sized base, a force of 35 modules will make up the platform for staging operations.

Testing all the systems is expected to take a little over a year (1 week RL), for safety reasons. All participating nations are welcome to send observers to help in the experimental phase.

We would be interested in a purchase or lease agreement at some point.

Nation builds new piece of technology, other nation sees it and builds thier own design, everyone is happy.

Update:

Experimental testing of all systems has been accomplished. The individual modules performed under every type of environment concievable, and performed up to requirments. The connection of modules to each other did result in some damage to individual modules, but it has been determined that it was resultant of inadaquite training in piloting the modules. With testing done, all contributing nations are hearby authorized to begin production of their own bases, built to their own needs and specifications. Reminder, do not share this technology with any nation not apart of the project.

An official letter of thanks has been sent to each nations capitol and leader, along with a fruit basket and $1 million dollars.

Isolationist People, I don't know if its too late to get in on this, but the Armed Republic of Unum Veritas would be willing to donate any number of things to this effort: including use of our shipbuilding facilities, use of naval ships or fighters for testing purposes, R&D help, or just financial donations. Just let us know whatever it is that you are lacking on and we'll chip in. How many of these bases are you considering building?

http://www.mitscher.navy.mil/images/crest.gif
"We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would harm us.”
-George Orwell

If it had been anyone else Unum Veritas, the answer would have been no. But since you've been a friend and ally to my nation, I can easily make an exception for you.

The initial stats are on the first page, but those are easily adjustable depending on how many modules will comprise one base. But, I thought those would be good ones for what could be considered a medium-sized base. The technology and systems for these bases has already been researched, so there is no need for help there.

At the moment, I would like to build 3 or 4 of these bases. The cost of upkeep and maintinance will be a b**ch on anyone's economy considering the size. If its alright with you, I propose an agreement in which you could build half of the bases, in exchange for the use of them for a certain amount of years, say 10 years. After that time, you could make your own for your own needs. Your thoughts?

Isolationist People, we greatly appreciate this gesture of friendship on your behalf. In return, we wish to extend a 15% discount on any purchases you make from the Veritasean naval store. So, you'd like us to build half of these bases and we could use them for ten years, then they would revert to your full control and we'd have the discretionary power of constructing our own? If I've got this correct, then consider the plan agreed-to on our side. When would you like these bases complete? And how many modules would you like per base? As of now we can divert about 50% of our construction facilities to this project, and could, perhaps, turn out one base every year. What are your thoughts?

Also, would we be sharing these bases, or would we each have sole control over certain ones? As you might already know, Unum Veritas' only branch of armed forces is the navy, so as you can imagine, this technology is of great interest to us.

(I thought about it some more, and I'll go with this).

Unum: Here's the agreement: We plan to build 4 bases, in which you would build 2 of them in exchange for permenant use of those 2 bases, no matter where in they are in the world. We would have overall control of them, but you are free to use them for their operational lifetime. You can then build your own after 5 years time. Is that agreeable?

A better way of thinking about constructing the bases would be a total number of modules to be built. Each base can range in number of modules, so a lot of them are going to be needed. Right now, I think building about 100 modules would be enough for 3 medium-sized bases. One could always add more modules to each base. So, start building 100 modules, and we'll go from there.

And thanks for the discount at your naval store! :D If I ever develop something else, I'll be sure to return the favor!

Okay, we've got a deal. Where can I find the specs for these modules? And wouldn't the modules differ? Like some would be runways and some would be housing, etc. Also, when (if ever) you decide to sell these, you can use my store thread to do so and I'll give you the profits. Although personally, I wouldn't blaim you at all if you never sold them, because these bases give you and your allies a tremendous strategic advantage. But anyways, half of our construction facilities will be diverted to building 100 modules to whatever specs you'd like. And thanks again for letting me get in on this so late (had I seen the thread earlier I would have pounced on it, but I must have missed it).

I found the specs off the popular mechanics website listed on the first page. Yeah, the modules will differ, but what I meant was make the modules only from the ground up, in other words, make the basic design of their base structure first, and then we could design them into the various differnet modules. I don't know how many will need to be the different modules yet, but I'll let you know later.

Alright, the base construction will begin immediately. We ought to be able to turn out 50 modules per year, so it will be complete in two years (2 weeks RL). After that we can begin specializing the different modules.

Just thought I'd let you know that at least two other threads have stolen this idea. Sniper Country's is one (link below) and the other was something with Geforce 4 and Dark Terror, I believe. Any comments?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1785871#1785871

Thanks Unum, I really appreciate your being vigilante about this. I read the thread. While I'd like to push the fact that I am developing it, I already tried when Land of Ages to develop this. I was quite brutally shot down with the argument that this is a RL idea (nothing has been made along these lines to my knowledge). People don't give a crap about copyrighting on NS, which in my opinion takes away from the game since copyrighting is a very big part of RL. Just let them do their thing, we'll do ours. Besides, Sniper's thing is just a glorfied carrier, while our's is actually a base able to hold soldiers and other heavy equipment. Ours is better by far!

RL Mobile Offshore Base info:

http://www.bwxt.com/Products/mob-bwx.html
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/military/2003/4/battle_island/index.phtml
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/mob.htm
http://www50.dt.navy.mil/gallery/semi-submersibles/mob.html
http://ctsm.umd.edu/center_page/pages/mob2.htm

We are quite aware of this Autonomous City-States, as several of the previous posts (including the very first in this thread) stated. No problem Isolationist People. It really does detract from the game when people don't honor other's claims to technology...

We are quite aware of this Autonomous City-States, as several of the previous posts (including the very first in this thread) stated. No problem Isolationist People. It really does detract from the game when people don't honor other's claims to technology...

So, does that mean someone can claim the F-15 as their own and no one else can use it? Or how about the F-35, since it hasn't actually gone into service yet? Unless it is an entirely original concept, I don't think you have much of a leg to stand on.

We are quite aware of this Autonomous City-States, as several of the previous posts (including the very first in this thread) stated. No problem Isolationist People. It really does detract from the game when people don't honor other's claims to technology...

So, does that mean someone can claim the F-15 as their own and no one else can use it? Or how about the F-35, since it hasn't actually gone into service yet? Unless it is an entirely original concept, I don't think you have much of a leg to stand on.


There is a difference though, at least in my mind, between an F-15 and a mobile military base. The F-15 has been around for at least 20 years, while the military base is still on the drawing boards so to speak, at least to my knowledge. That is the difference I make between the two: the F-15 is real, while the base IS ALSO JUST AN IDEA IN RL! Some of the TECHNOLOGY is already in use, but the wholescale application of the base IN IT'S ENTIRETY is still just an idea on a drawing board. That is why I went through the copyrighting thing here on NS, because its still an idea. And the only reason other people don't want to comply with the copyrighting issue on NS is because they want to be able to produce things like this and not rely on someone else for it or its use. If this happened in RL and someone copyrighting certain technology or the whole idea, you can bet your arms that country will be sure to make other countries don't copy the same idea or ideas like it. Ok, I'm done. [/rant]

By that logic, then, you shouldn't be able to use the mobile offshore base concept at all since you are stealing it from the companies that have submitted designs to the US Navy for approval. You're stealing the idea from the naval engineers that have already done feasability studies on scale models in wave tanks.

Yet, in RL, as long as a nation or company isn't blatantly stealing the specific technologies or schematics of a weapon system... they are free to take the idea and make it their own. For example, the British invented the modern aircraft carrier. Does that give them the right to sue the US for taking that idea and making it their own?

As long as no one is taking the specific work you did and claiming it as their own, other nations in NS can (and already have) build their own equivalent of the mobile offshore base.

By that logic, then, you shouldn't be able to use the mobile offshore base concept at all since you are stealing it from the companies that have submitted designs to the US Navy for approval. You're stealing the idea from the naval engineers that have already done feasability studies on scale models in wave tanks.

Man, I am getting extremely tired of repeating myself on this. How many times must I state that yes, this was an idea in RL, but we were referring to the fact that IP had it first on NS. Frankly I don't see what is so hard to grasp about that...

Also, yes, other countries can take the original idea, change it some, and then call it their own, but even then the original country will compain (through diplomatic channels, of course), often because the only way the other country could have gotten the original plans is through espionage, something not regularly admitted in open international relations.

In NS, the idea for a MOBO is an entirely original idea, contributed to IP. RL ideas have no sway whatsoever in NS roleplaying. Therefore, technically, this idea is copyrighted to IP and other countries should at least have the integrity to ask if they can make their own changes to it and call it their own. This is a very easy concept to understand, or at least it should be...

By that logic, then, you shouldn't be able to use the mobile offshore base concept at all since you are stealing it from the companies that have submitted designs to the US Navy for approval.

Not necessarily. I would find it hard to believe that RL copyright laws could apply to a game such as NS, when all we are doing is talking about building something like this since this game is forum based. Heck, I have a link to the Popular Mechanics site on the first page in this thread. There is no disclaimer or anything saying I couldn't create a link to their site or use any or their images for such things as posting them on here. By linking this thread to their site, that could be argued to be a reference to the RL concept, and therefore I'm not exactly claiming it as my own in RL.

I'm simply saying that if other nations want to build mobile offshore bases, they are free to do so as long as they do not directly copy the work that you have posted to NS. The fact that you got the idea from an RL source means that other people can do the same. Unum is creating a dichotomy that really doesn't exist.

That dichotomy does exist. We are simulating a completely separate world, are we not? Therefore, the first nation to post an idea here should get credit for that idea. Once again, this is a very simple idea...

That dichotomy does exist. We are simulating a completely separate world, are we not? Therefore, the first nation to post an idea here should get credit for that idea. Once again, this is a very simple idea...

How can you prove that other people that have built mobile offshore bases took the idea from Isolationist People? How do you know that they weren't totally oblivious to his post and instead drew from the same RL inspiration as IP? He can only take credit for the specific example of a mobile offshore base that he posted to NS... not the entire idea of a mobile offshore base, which is not his.

I'll go back to my previous analogy that you seem to have ignored. By your logic, everyone should have to go through the British to build aircraft carriers because they came up with the idea of the angled flight deck. Quite simply, it just doesn't work that way.

If no one else had ever thought of a mobile offshore base before and it was a totally new idea that IP himself had originated, you might have a leg to stand on... but, seeing as IP himself admitted that he drew from an RL idea that was reported in the open press and is currently in development by real naval powers, I just don't agree with you.

And you are entitled to your opinion as are we, but frankly I don't have the energy to beat this dead-dog any more. Thank you for your input.

Ok, last post on this topic, then I'm through with any argument that pertains to this topic unless someone copy's exactly what I've done.

To start off, I have no problem with other people developing similar ideas or bases such as the one I have proposed and am in the process of building. I did think of it myself before checking in any RL press, and upon discovering that it was already an idea, I thought it would be nice to incoporate it into NS. I moved to copyright it, because I didn't fully understand at the time that people don't give a crap about RL ideas on NS. I now think differently, and am working on some other ideas.

I have read the other threads of people's ideas about mobile sea bases. I have no problem with them creating their own, as long as they are not copy's of mine. Most of them seem to be super long runways, and not actual bases to hold men and material. Truthfully, I don't care what they are as long as they are not ripped off of mine. Land of Ages tried to do this, even used the exact pics I used. I have a problem with things like that, but other people can build what they want as long as they are not linked to me.

Unum, I am very grateful for your support in this. But it is no use to just continually debate something when two people are stubborn about their sides. I am often the one who doesn't give up, but I think we should let this one rest for now. I am developing some other naval ideas that are not done yet, but when they are I intend on contacting you to see if you'd like to help out.

Autonomous, thank you for your side. While I don't fully agree with your arguments, I do see the logic of your stance. You have helped me gain a little better insight into people's thinking around here about copyrighting things (which is now "why bother?"). But please let this go, for I will not reply any more to such an disagreement.

IP, I thank you for your honest and candid response. A little healthy debate is good to challenge one's assumptions every now and then, yes? :) As you and Unum have gracefully agreed to disagree, so shall I. I must compliment you on your awareness of modern military tech, though. The mobile offshore base really isn't a bad idea.

Well, it does help to be a history major in college. =) I'm more into military history as it is, with more of an emphasis on WWI to post-modern technology and tactics. So, I try to keep up with military items.

No, I actually like debating some of the time. My girlfriend doesn't think I'm that great at it, but I still try. I have no problem with you bringing things like this up. It helps work things out. I just hate it when people in other threads I've seen just end up flaming each other.

We would be interested in setting up a base on one of your existing platforms if that is an option. Otherwise we are still interested in one of our own as we have said before.

King Mateo II Of Kormanthor