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The nation of Thirtycaliber is currently looking to increase its power-projection capability by creating 3 amphibious assault battle groups of ships. Each group should consist of:

(EDIT: items in green are still needed; items in red have already been sourced)

-5 Amphibious assault ships capable of launching choppers/VSTOL aircraft and having a water deck to launch landing craft
-2 battleships capable of knocking out heavy shore defenses
-5 AEGIS cruisers
-5 destroyers
-5 frigates
-5 nuclear attack subs (Seawolf class preferred, other classes considered)
-30 support ships for under-way refueling and resupply
-5 minesweepers
-10 Roll On/ Roll Off cargo ships
- as many LCAC's for vehicles and AAAV's for troops as can be carried in the assault ships

I will consider bids from any nation that is capable of building all these ships (remember, that list was for one group, I need 3).

OOC: I will take reccomendations on how I should alter the makeup of a group, as I'm not an expert on the exact makeup of naval amphibious assault groups.

Alteration suggestions,

1) Fleet oiler(s) to make it possible to deploy to more remote parts of world (edit, oh, didn't notice those support ships... This you have taken care of, sorry)

2) Gasoline tankers and dry cargo ships, to keep war machine rolling after you have made intial landings. Also RO/RO vehicle ships, to land tanker trucks, munition carriers etc. all of wich really require port to unload (OOC: Why you think US/Britain was so determined to capture Basra, when they could have bypass it and drive straight to Bagdad.)

3) Ocean mine sweepers. Hell of a way to lose 1 billion USD Shore Bombardment BB; to 15'000 USD mine.

battleships eh...these are the best on NS:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38485

We can provide you with the AAAVs for $2.8 million a unit (barely more than the common market price for the AAVP7A1).

We could also provide you with the HLCAC or the older LCAC for a decent price.

One Calc = .93USD sorry for the mixed currencies, but the cut and pastes are from different parets of the thread at different dates to different people.


Cruiser, Guided Missile Antiair. AEGIS with 64 cell VLS loaded with STANDARD SM-2 missiles, as main armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with Harpoon and 127mm gun, one 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drum, two CIWS Vulcan cannons and two 3 tube torpedo clusters. this is an extremely effective Air suppression platform.
32 Knt speed or 16000NM range with twin screw COGAG twin LM2500 and twin LM2500, for cruising at most economical long range speend, 16Knt with one pair LM2500s geared to one screw each for a range of 16000NM, and for faster speed, all four turbines going, two geared to each shaft. 32Knt for 6000NM. weight 4,900 tons
350,000,000.00 Calcs

Destroyer, Guided Missile Antiship. With 36 Cell VLS loaded with Harpoon as primary armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with ESSM (enhanced sea sparrow missile, the enhanced part is better manuverability and fold in fins that allows 4 per cell rather than the origional 1) @ 4 per cell (48 missiles), 127mm gun, one 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drum, two CIWS Vulcan Cannons, and two 3 tube torpedo clusters, this is an effective Antisurface ship.
33 Knt speed or 17000NM range with twin screw COGAG twin LM2500 and twin LM2500, for cruising at most economical long range speend, 16Knt with one pair LM2500s geared to one screw each for a range of 17000NM, and for faster speed, all four turbines going, two geared to each shaft. 32Knt for 7000NM. weight 4,200 tons.
320,000,000.00 Calcs

Frigates, with IKARA ASW rocket system (rocket booster with a small antisub torpedo as warhead) as main armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 4 cells harpoons and 8 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (32 missiles), 127mm gun, one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters. hangar space for 1 helicopter.
34 Knt speed or 14000NM range. CODAG with one MAN diesel and one LM2500 turbine. most economic crusing with MAN diesel, 16 Knt for 14000NM, LM2500 engaged for 34Knt and 6000NM range. weight 2,900 tons
195,000,000.00 Calcs

Frigates, with 24 call VLS with 24 SM-2 STANDARD SAMs, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 4 cells harpoons and 8 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (32 missiles), 127mm gun, one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters. hangar space for 1 helicopter.
34 Knt speed or 14000NM range. CODAG with one MAN diesel and one LM2500 turbine. most economic crusing with MAN diesel, 16 Knt for 14000NM, LM2500 engaged for 34Knt and 6000NM range. weight 2,850 tons
210,000,000.00 Calcs

Frigates, with 24 call VLS with 24 HArpoon AntiShip Missiles, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 12 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (48 missiles), 127mm gun, one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters. hangar space for 1 helicopter.
34 Knt speed or 14000NM range. CODAG with one MAN diesel and one LM2500 turbine. most economic crusing with MAN diesel, 16 Knt for 14000NM, LM2500 engaged for 34Knt and 6000NM range. weight 2,850 tons
(as frigate above but with Harpoon not SM-1 SAMs)
205,000,000.00 Calcs

Frigates, light General Purpose,
Armed with:
One x 12 cell vertical Launcher
8 cells ESSM (Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile) Surface to air missile @ 4 missiles per cell, total 32 missiles
4 cells Harpoon Surface to surface missile
Two x 21 cell RIM-118 SRM (Short Range Missile)
One x 127mm gun (5 inch)
Two x 3 tube Torpedo mounts, loaded with Mk48 ADCAP. 6 torpedoes total
One x 20mm Vulcan CIWS (close in weapon system)
One x Twin 40mm Dual purpose AntiAir/AntiSurface mount
Four x .50 HMG (Heavy Machine Gun)
Radar and Sonar (details classified)
Engines COGAG (combined action Gas and Gas) 2 x LM2500 Gas Turbines.
Range 10,000NM @ 16Knt on one engine, 3000NM @ 39Knt both engines.
Crew 269 each
178,000,000.oo Calcs

Large Patrol Boat, The smallest that can handle open water seaways. More a messenger packet or investigationary ship, armed with twin 40mm dual purpose antiair/antisurface gun mount, two single Exocet missile canisters, one 21 cell drum RIM-118 SRM (Short Range Missile as the ESSM is a marinised AIM-7 Sparrow missile with a new sensor package the SRM is a marinised AIM-9 Sidewinder with a new dual IR and Radar sensor) two single torpedo tube. No helicopter, but a clear rear deck aft of the RIM-118 for winching up and down supplies. no crew quaters and only one watch aboard, alternate crew stay aboard the Replenishment ship until time to transfer over for their watch. weight 1,150 tons.
*Can be modified to carry 2 x remote controlled underwater minecountermeasure sleds and deck winches in place of the Exocets and a Second Sidesearch antimine sonar.
95,000,000.00 Calcs

Replenishment at sea ship. A large military spec cargo ship capable of refueling and reloading the other ships while underway, can make new parts for the other ships (within reason) and carries large numbers of what spare parts cannot be made, is also capable of towing a disabled ship to nearest harbour or dockyard. selfdefence armament of two 21 missile drums of RIM-118 SRM and two CIWS vulcan cannons. also carries exchange crew for the PB and crews quarters for offduty PB crew if operating in conjucntion with PBs. Has a helicopter deck and space for 2 large helicopters to airlift supplies or PB crews.
12000 tons, 28 Knts from steam boiler, can replenish via RAS link to port and starboard, or Sheerlegs to port and drogue tow to rear. (RAS is refueling via hoses winched or hauled over and solid goods slid over on wire ropes and pulleys. Sheerleg refueling is by swaying out padded buttresses between the ships and lashing both ships together, stern drogue is refueling only, the end of the fuel hose is screwed onto a float, and dragged after the boat, the ship to be refueled pulls it out of the water and unfastedning the float, attaches it to the fueling point.)
265,000,000.00 Calcs

BB's have 8 x 18 inch guns (two 3 gun turrents and one 2 gun turrent), 18+ inches layered plate armour, 64 cell VLS SM-1 SAMS 32 cells Harpoon, hangar space and helipad for 4 helicopters or 2 VTOL harriers / YAK forgers, numerous 5 inch, 40mm and RIM-118 SRM missile defences, and 4 CIWS's. and weigh 36,000 tons and manage 33Knts on nuclear reacters and steam turbine. 1,150,000,000.00 Calcs

There are a number of different ships available. You say small teams or light armoured group? We can provide the following which would fit nicely:

Landing Ship Tank, Mk 3,
345.10 feet LOA, beam 55.3, draft (aft) 13 feet.
2140 ton empty, 3117 fully loaded.
10,000NM at 14 knots, max of 18 knots.
LM1500 Gas turbines. Twin screw.
1x twin 75mm (3inch) gun mount on foredeck, can be used to shell beach on landings. 1x 40mm on afterdeck. 3x 20mm, one on bridge roof, one each port and starboard just aft of 75mm turrent. 2x 9 tube SRM drums. aft of funnel.

Can carry 168 troops, 18x 40 ton tanks 7 LCMs and 27 trucks. By carrying tanks and trucks armed with TOW or other weapons on deck, during transport the ship can enhance defensive powers.

These ships also carry two LARC V amphibious trucks on deck with derricks to lower them to the water. these can carry 20 troops or 4.5 tons of supplies.

http://publish.hometown.aol.com/waikatokiwi/myhomepage/lst.jpg
http://publish.hometown.aol.com/waikatokiwi/myhomepage/larc_v.jpg



Heavy Transport.
4100 ton empty, 5800 ton full load. 475Ft LOA, Beam 65ft, Draft 19ft aft 13 ft forward
Twin screw LM2500 gas turbine 30,000SHp. max speed 25 Knt, cruise speed 19 Knt. Max range at cruise 14000 Nm

Can carry 420 comfortably men for long periods, or 700 men in overload conditions for short periods.
RO-RO ship with topside deck accessable from wharfs. Bow doors and ramp for shore landings on deep beaches with steep dropoffs. Carries 4 LARC V Amphibous trucks, Rear doors and ramp for at sea transfers of eqiupment and men to shallower draft ships such as the LST Mk3 in earlier post or for deployment of medium hover landingcraft. can carry 24 x 60 ton tanks on lower deck and 30 trucks, 8 x 40 ton tanks and 12 trucks on upper, with lift access similiar to a carriers. Hangar rear deck, room for 2 large airlift helicopters.

Defensive weapons of 2 twin 75mm (3 inch) mounts on forecastle deck, 2 x Phalanx CIWS 20mm abaft the funnel on hangar roof level, and 2 x RIM-118 SRM abaft the funnel on hangar deck level. 189,500,000.oo USD,


http://publish.hometown.aol.com/waikatokiwi/myhomepage/tobruk-04.jpg


Landing Craft Dock. Marine amphibious assult ship.

Power plant: Twin LM2500 Gas Turbines, 60,000SHp
Length: 684 feet (208.5 meters)
Beam: 105 feet (31.9 meters)
Displacement: Approximately 24,900 tons (25,300 metric tons) full load
Speed: in excess of 22 knots (24.2 mph, 38.7 kph)
Aircraft: Launch or land up to four CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters; or up to two MV-22 Osprey tilt rotor aircraft simultaneously with room to spot four MV-22s on deck and one in the hangar.
Armament: Two Bushmaster II 30 mm Close in Guns, fore and aft; two 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drums, fore and aft. 2 Phalanx CIWS 20mm guns fore and aft.

Carries 900 Men in comfort. Armoured Equipment and supplies for those men, comes with Landingcraft Hover x 2 or Landing craft medium x 1 in internal flooding docking bay. 290,000,000.oo USD

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/lpd17-062000.gif

Landingcraft, Hover, medium carries 6 trucks (tight fit), 2 light tanks (40 ton), one large tank (60 ton), or 80 men, or a mix such as 2 trucks, one light tank and 20 men etc. For a total weight of 120 tons. Armed with 2 x single 40mm bofors rapid fire cannon to the fore flanking the ramp for suppression of enemy shore positions or air defenses, can be swappeed for twin 30mm bushmaster or single 20mm gatling mounts. Max range 400 Nm at 42 Knt. One can be carried in the dock. cost 8 million USD one comes standard with the LSD as ppart of the purchase price.

Landingcraft, Hover, small. can carry one light tank, three trucks, or 50 men for a loaded weight of 50 tons. three can be carried in the dock, or driven up onto the tank/truck carriage deck in place of trucks/tanks, can also fit into the Modified Tobrucks in place of wheeled cargo. Armed with two single 20mm cannons on bridge roof. Max range 300Nm at 42 Nm. cost 5 million USD

No Submarines, but if you provide plans we can build those to order.



OOC: Am looking at making the Austrlian Collins class and German 210 Class later.

Check out our new Dreadnought Battleship, known as the "Amphihibious Master." This is a brand new design of my nation that has been in R&D for a while. We have tested them and they work purfectly. They are a Dreadnought Battleship with an amphibious assault area able to hold over 1000 troops and equipment. It also has a modified landing area for several helicopters, and adds the punching power of the dreadnoughts. We also have several Amphibious landing craft as well. And make sure you check out our special Amphibious assault Artillery peace, purfect to add to any landing force!

www.geocities.com/thecitizensdefencealliance/equipment.html

I know this isn't on your list, but this is the PERFECT ship for what you're doing.

Covert Crawler
http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/53887/5.jpg
Designation: Transport
Environment: Underwater
Armor Thickness: 14 in
Size: 100 ft x 50 ft x 8 ft
Armaments: Ten (10) Torpedo Tubes up and down either side of the "spine", and dual (2) cutting water-cooled lasers
Top Speed: 150 mph
Max. Troop Compacity: 80 units
Specs: Using the biological structure of several marine animals (mostly crabs), Resi Corp. has designed an armored transport that moves troops by actually walking along the ocean floor. Ultra pressure-resistant, the Covert Crawler is the perfect place to hide troops from enemy eyes, as even submarines will have a tough time combatting something moving at this high of speeds. Airplanes, though faster than this, can easily be shot down by anti-aircraft fire and the troops inside killed. The Covert Crawler's oxygen system is based on a fluid-breathing system that we at Resi Corp. have developed (it absorbs oxygen from the water the way a fish does), and thus can stay underwater indefinately as long as the power source (plutonium) doesn't run out. That would make it about 200 years. As a side note, Covert Crawlers can be used on land, and unlike their cousins the Troop Crawlers, the Covert Crawlers have a system to keep the cells used in the fluid-breathing process alive (panels cover the cells, and water which is continually oxidised using the same method found in fish tanks is injected in). The Covert Crawler operates below radar, so there is no nead to fear detection when it lands.
Cost: $100,000,000 each
http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/53887/45.jpg

Based on some advice and some deeper thought, I've updated the specs for the assault group. Still taking new bids! If you are a bidder, be sure to read the very last sentence in this post (it's in red).

I'm currently debating between all the ABB designs I've seen here. It's a tough decision, which may take a day or two.

Calarcas, I'm probably going to go with your "Replenishment at sea ship" for most of the oiler/support requirement. I'm probably going to end up taking your cruisers and destroyers, also. Could you make a frigate similar to your other designs, but loaded up with 3-inch and 5-inch guns for shore bombardment?

TRC, your crawler design is very interesting. About what tech level would you say it is? How much does it weigh? How many crewmembers does it need?



OOC: Please do not confirm any orders yet. I will decide IC what I want during this thread, then order everything that is to be ordered from the winning bidder(s) in one post at the end.

i can sell you oliver hazard perry class frigates for 500 million., you also get a free fighter squadron of your choice with your order, check my store thread for your needs.

TRC, your crawler design is very interesting. About what tech level would you say it is? How much does it weigh? How many crewmembers does it need?OOC: We RP as a nation that has poured all of its funding into R&D at an early age. As such, the Crawler is a modern unit, just very technologically advanced.
IC: The Crawler weighs approx. 3.5 tons, and it can be piloted by a single person who doesn't necessarily even have to be in the Crawler (like most of our machines).

We can provide you with the AAAVs for $2.8 million a unit (barely more than the common market price for the AAVP7A1).

We could also provide you with the HLCAC or the older LCAC for a decent price.
Recap of Bids:

AAAV Price: $4M (used to be 2.8M, cost issues)
LCAC Price: $16-22M, dependant upon volume of order.
HLCAC Price: $18-24M, (again) dependant upon volume of order.

EDIT: New Craft Available: Western Asia's Electronic Warfare/Electronic Counter Measures Aircraft (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1088344#1088344) (Plus F-18IE/F Super Hornets)

(all specs available upon request)

(LCAC vs. HLCAC: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/hlcac-lcac.jpg
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/hlcac.htm )

We also sell the full line of the H-60 "Blackhawk" and the H-53 "Sea Stallion" families, AH-1W Super Cobras, AH-1Z "Zulu" Ultra Cobras, AE-6B ICAP II Block 89As, and a number of other aircraft types (all in other threads that I'm too lazy to find and link at 1:40am). We have a full line of Trimaran Warships(tm) and produce VLS-launched missiles and MTHEL ABM systems. We also produce many sorts of aircraft-launched missiles such as the Hellfire II (in various forms), the Python 5, the HARM, and WA's own HARM-R (anti-radio) systems. If you are at all interested in any of these fine products then please tell us and we will either quote you a price or direct you to where those goods may be obtained.

Western Asia: Now that I've seen an article on it on GlobalSecurity.org (your second link was dead, but I did a search on that site), I'm suddenly interested (an extra Abrams per is always a good thing in my book). I'm still wondering how many of these the average amphibious assault ship could carry, though (any guesses?). Also, I'm almost certain to need some Sea Stallions.


I'm going to get a text file going on my PC that lists what I need and gradually check it off as I find suppliers. I think that will work better than the current non-system.

Western Asia: Now that I've seen an article on it on GlobalSecurity.org (your second link was dead, but I did a search on that site), I'm suddenly interested (an extra Abrams per is always a good thing in my book). I'm still wondering how many of these the average amphibious assault ship could carry, though (any guesses?). Also, I'm almost certain to need some Sea Stallions.


I'm going to get a text file going on my PC that lists what I need and gradually check it off as I find suppliers. I think that will work better than the current non-system.

Oh, sorry about the link...the URL picked up the ")" at the end.

From the Navy: Amphibious Ready Group Craft (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/news/.www/arg.html) (a list of the ships and aircraft types of an ARG)

Landing Craft-bearing Ships:
-Amphibious Assault Ship (LHA or LHD)
-Amphibious Transport Dock (LPD) Ship
-Dock Landing Ship (LSD)
-Smaller support/force protection vessels (patrol boats and probably a missile boat or two)...not stated, but realistic for NS.

Auxilliary Amphibious Assault Craft Capacities of a Wasp-Class LHD (best, latest Amphibious Assault Ship)

Landing Craft 2 LCU Landing Craft, Utility or
3 LCAC Landing Craft, Air Cushion or
6 LCM-8 Landing Craft, Mechanized or
40 AAV Amphibious Assault Vehicle [normal] or
61 AAV Amphibious Assault Vehicle [stowed]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/lhd-1-specs.htm

Auxilliary Amphibious Assault Craft Capacities of a LPD-17 San Antonio-Class LPD (best, latest Amphibious Transport Dock Ship...not even out yet (someone offered it above, take it, I would be producing it if I wasn't producing Trimarans)

Two LCACs

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/lpd-17-specs.htm

Auxilliary Amphibious Assault Craft Capacities of a LSD-49 Harpers Ferry class LSD (there's one newer version (not yet out) but it is not labeled clearly with a capacity...although it is a larger vessel)

2 Landing Craft, Air Cushion (LCAC), or
1 Landing Craft, Utility (LCU), or
4 LCM-8 Landing Craft, Mechanized (LCM), or
9 LCM-6 Landing Craft, Mechanized (LCM), or
15 AAV Amphibious Assault Vehicle

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/lsd-49-specs.htm

All info should be there that you'll need to calculate the number of ships.


If that doesn't work, then try the following PDF, which lays out the MEU (including heavy weapons numbers, surprisingly low, and weapons descriptions and limited specs ) and support craft:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2002/13meuguide.pdf

My annotations:
13th MEU Guide Notes:

Org and basic #s: p. 12, 23
Mk. 19 Grenade Launcher (Grenade Machine Gun): p.27
TOW and M226 60mm Mortar: p. 30
M252 81mm Mortar, M198 155mm Howitzer: p. 31
AAV7A1 Assault Amphibious Vehicle (AAPC),5-ton truck: p. 34
M998 HMMWV, Mk 48 Logistical Vehicle System : p.35

BTW, if you want the AAV7A1 I could provide that as well.

any US ship you want for that just look here:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44357

bump

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39617&highlight=

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35757&highlight=

ill give u F-18 hornets, about 10, for a carrier if u can get, or ill upgrade to extra long range capabilities.

I hope i can help, or ill give invasion forces, whatever.

anyway, if u need any arms ive got too many AK-47's and PKM

OOC: Freedom Country, slow down a bit.

Read up on the order of things: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29774

You shouldn't really be selling much of anything (perhaps some AK-47s as a vendor, as you're doing elsewhere) but definitely not F-18s...not yet.



TC:
I've 'fixed' that messed-up link and added another link for you to check out along with it.

OOC: I checked out the new link. You're right; I thought there would be more heavy weapons, espescially considering that years ago the USMC was considered to have a higher concentration of walking thunder than the army...

I'm going to be in a situation where I have zero internet access for a week... I'll revive this thread then, OK?

Ok, though I might change up some of my posts a bit to reflect new tech that I'm working on (there's a lot), but I'll try to be patient until you return. :wink:

Good luck with NS withdrawl (j/k).

There is intresthing consept in my storefront:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54149&highlight=

Cormorant -class Deckship. These ships can carry smaller ships, for example landing ships, near the landing areas, and then release them to collect their troops from landing ships and ferry them to shore. This would increase ammount of landing crafts in your disposal at critical first landing and troops you have in first wave. They can also easily carry my Osprey minehunters or similar auxiliary ships.

Ok, how about a modified GP frigate for your assault support ship?

Frigates, Assault.
Armed with:
One x 12 cell vertical Launcher foredeck
8 cells ESSM (Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile) Surface to air missile @ 4 missiles per cell, total 32 missiles
4 cells Harpoon Surface to surface missile
Two x twin 75mm gun mounts on superstructure abeam the mast.
One x twin 155mm or 127mm gun mount foredeck forrard
Two x single 75mm (3 inch) gun mounts on side decks forrard.
One x 20mm Vulcan CIWS (close in weapon system) hangar roof.
One x 21 cell RIM-118 SRM drum aft the mast and forrard of the stack.
Four x .50 HMG (Heavy Machine Gun) mounted on the rails.
Hangar for one medium helicopter.
Radar and Sonar (details classified)
Engines COGAG (combined action Gas and Gas) 2 x LM2500 Gas Turbines.
Range 9,000NM @ 16Knt on one engine, 2900NM @ 34Knt both engines.
Crew 269 each
188,000,000.oo Calcs

Dropped the 40mm in favour of a SRM drum, dropped the two SRM drums in favour of 2 twin 75mm mounts. dropped the torpedo tubes in favour of single 75mm mounts, the single 127mm is now a twin of either 155mm or 127mm.

the positioning of the weaponry is also changed slightly. the twin SRM drums used to be one on side of the superstructure, port and starboard, between the mast and the exhaust, with the 40mm mounted forward of the mast abover the bridge. Now the twin 75mms are mounted forward slightly from that position, flanking the mast while the RIM-118 replacing the 40mm is now situated between the mast and the exhaust. the CIWS remains inthe same place as do the VLS, Main gun mount and .50's. The single 75mms replacing the torpedo tubes are mounted further inwards in concavities/scallops in the superstructure, with the deck to the outside of the mounts rather than the inside of the former torpedo tubes.
All the 75 and larger guns can fire forward or up to 58 degrees to the beam. 3 x 75mm guns (1 twin and one single) and the main guns can fire up to 140 degrees to the beam, the twin 75mm guns can fire to 149 degrees on the beam.
http://members.hometown.aol.com/waikatokiwi/myhomepage/untitled.jpg

OOC: extremely ameaturish picture, but is shows where everything is. They are a bit heavier than the originals with extra armour plate for protection against weapons up to 30mm (i.e similiar to an APC) to the fore as they are tasked to close to fire distance of the beachhead in support of landings. this makes them slower at max speed while maintaning the same speed on one engine requires working it hsrder with higher fuel consumption, reducing range, but with fleet oilers in an assault group, range isn't the deciding factor.

OOC: I'm back!

IC: Calarca, that modified frigate is exactly what I'm looking for.

West Asia, I'minterested in what new tech you've been working on. Can I see it?



OOC: I'm getting the 'kid in a candy shop' feeling on this thread. I suppose that's a good thing?

Check out our new Dreadnought Battleship, known as the "Amphihibious Master." This is a brand new design of my nation that has been in R&D for a while. We have tested them and they work purfectly. They are a Dreadnought Battleship with an amphibious assault area able to hold over 1000 troops and equipment. It also has a modified landing area for several helicopters, and adds the punching power of the dreadnoughts. We also have several Amphibious landing craft as well. And make sure you check out our special Amphibious assault Artillery peace, purfect to add to any landing force!

www.geocities.com/thecitizensdefencealliance/equipment.html

Did you check me out!

OOC: I'm back!

IC: Calarca, that modified frigate is exactly what I'm looking for.

OOC: I'm getting the 'kid in a candy shop' feeling on this thread. I suppose that's a good thing?

OO:

Lol, yep. it means you have a lot of choice and can select only the best.

But while you're back, I'm going to be offline until thurs, overdrawn my University account, and having to leave here (mums comp and ISP) to go back to town.

OOC: I'm back!

IC: Calarca, that modified frigate is exactly what I'm looking for.

West Asia, I'minterested in what new tech you've been working on. Can I see it?



OOC: I'm getting the 'kid in a candy shop' feeling on this thread. I suppose that's a good thing?

OOC: Woa, just found this. I haven't made a lot of new things since we last spoke, but I'm definitely working on it.


This (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20024&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) is where a good number of my inventions and products are...I plan on revising and re-organizing several things into a new thread...but frankly I don't have much of an interest in filling orders so much as making and selling the damn things.

See there, if there's anything you want, just tell me.

EDIT:
Oh, yeah, if you want to get some american-style helis (fixed wing aircraft are sold in the above-linked site, UAVs of various sorts are listed but not described in depth (work in progress...but most for sale, will quote price)), my listing:

(From my Ships store)

Aircraft
NOTE: All aircraft are automatically updated with GIAI specialized Aeronautics and Control systems above what the baseline models would carry.

X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit=
X UH-60L Blackhawk (basic)@ $11M/unit=
X MH-60L Blackhawk (SOC)@ $12M/unit=
X MH-60L DAP Blackhawk (with ammo/missiles load)@ $13.5M/unit=
X MH-60G Pavehawk@ $12.5M/unit=
X MH-60S Knighthawk@ $12M/unit=
X RAH-66 Comache@ $13M/unit=

X H-53 (CH-53 Sea Stallion/MH-53E Sea Dragon/MH-53J Pave Low III)@ $25M/unit=

X AH-1W SuperCobra (with ammo/missiles load)@ $11M/unit=
X AH-1Z "Zulu" UltraCobra@ $12.4M/unit=

(The Zulu: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=783622#783622 )

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Some Basic Blackhawk Models Offered

--Basic Blackhawks (troop transport for 10-12, with crew of 3 and one door gun): ~11mil

--Special Operations Capable (SOC) Blackhawk (Same as BB, but with many Pavehawk improvements for limited SO support capabilities): ~11.5mil

--LAMPS Seahawk (ASW-capable, can bear ASMs, can also do CSAR and slightly limited troop transportation (6, 4 if stretcher loaded; crew of 4-5, like Basics but with specialist(s) in either ASW(BB+1) or CSAR operations(BB+2)): ~12mil

--Pavehawk (Special Operations Extended Range transport craft, door guns, advanced ground-following avionics, dampened IR and audio signature): ~12.5mil

--Blackhawk DAPs (Armed Blackhawks, with virtually the armament of an Apache (Pylons can bear 2 weapons pods each. Under-nose gun is the same as on Apache) but with added Troop transport capabilities. 4 can be transported as 1-2 extra crew are required for the manning of door guns, also advanced avionics as in the Pavehawk): ~13.5mil

--Knighthawk (An improved version of the Blackhawk, built on the time and deployment-tested Blackhawk airframe but modified and designed specifically for use at sea in under-way replenishment and a variety of other roles, including Combat Search and Rescue, Special Warfare Support and Airborne Mine Countermeasures.): 12mil


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I also sell VLS-launched missiles and all that good stuff.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=48015&highlight=



This is extremely high detail about an WASP-Class ship and its armament. Let me know if you want any.

Alright... update time. So far, I've figured out the sources for roughly half of my orders. Still needxed:

- 6 battleships
- 15 destroyers * EDIT: source found
- 15 minesweepers
- 30 cargo ships
- LCAC's and AAAV's * EDIT: source found
- various helos *EDIT: source found

Bids are still being taken in all these categories. Note that the fact that an item is on the list does not mean that I did not look at your offering in this area, it just means I haven't decided on who I'll buy that item from.

The Newer England, could you post stats for your assault artillery piece here? I couldn't find it on your site.

Alright... update time. So far, I've figured out the sources for roughly half of my orders. Still needxed:

- 6 battleships
- 15 destroyers
- 15 minesweepers
- 30 cargo ships
- LCAC's and AAAV's
- various helos

Bids are still being taken in all these categories. Note that the fact that an item is on the list does not mean that I did not look at your offering in this area, it just means I haven't decided on who I'll buy that item from.

We can take care of the LCACs, AAAVs, and probably the Helos as well.

Western Asia, the amphibious assault ships I've decided on are Wasp-class. considering there will be 15 ordered, what would you reccomend as a helo loadout?

The Newer England, could you post stats for your assault artillery piece here? I couldn't find it on your site.

> AM-502-A = Crew of 3. This is a specialized Amphibious Artillery piece to give the landing troops direct
and fast artillery. Its shells are 120mm and its range is 22km. Maximum speed is 14mph in water and
45mph on land. No additional armaments. Although it can fire in the water, the range is reduced by about
3.5 to 4km.
COST - 2,650,000 new or 1,950,000 used

You might want to check this out also! http://www.geocities.com/thecitizensdefencealliance/shore_guard.html
It is my newest creation and I am advertising it for the first time here and now! It is a specialty vehicle to defend against amphibious assaults. Lot more detail than the above Artillery piece!

Western Asia, the amphibious assault ships I've decided on are Wasp-class. considering there will be 15 ordered, what would you reccomend as a helo loadout?


At GlobalSecurity (linked before), they state the following about helicopter and aircraft loadouts:

RECENT DEPLOYMENTS
12 - CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters
4 - CH-53 Sea Stallion helicopters
2 - UH-1N Huey helicopters [3 on 11 MEU WestPac 01-1]
4 - AH-1W SuperCobra attack helicopter
6 - AV-8B Harrier attack planes [none on 11 MEU WestPac 01-1]

OR
12 - CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters
9 - CH-53 Sea Stallion helicopters
4 - UH-1N Huey helicopters
4 - AH-1W SuperCobra attack helicopter
6 - AV-8B Harrier attack planes

OR
12 - CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters
9 - CH-53 Sea Stallion helicopters
6 - AV-8B Harrier attack planes

OR
Assault
42 - CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters

OR
Sea Control
20 - AV-8B Harrier attack planes
6 - ASW helicopters


Of course, you can modify this as much as you want. Right now, I don't sell any CH-46s and, while I've sold Harriers previously, I can't help too much with that. On the other hand, I'm about to intro versions of the following aircraft:

The S-92 Helibus http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/s-92.htm

The H-6 Littlebird/Defender http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/ah-6.htm

The Kiowa Warrior
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/oh-58-pics.htm


Helicopter Size Classifications (by my reckoning):

(ultra) Light (limited lift)- The H-6 Littlebird, possibly the Kiowa (and light attack helis)

Medium (light lift)- The H-60/70 series "blackhawks," H-1 Huey's (and most attack helicopters)

Large (Medium Lift)- The CH-47 and (I believe) the Helibus

"Superlarge" (Heavy lift)- The H-53 series of helicopters

Above the "superlarge," I'd put "behemoth" craft for NS. For instance, if you check out my Strategic Transportation plan on my tech thread then you'll see my reference to the VTOL transporter based on the Sentinel attack craft. That craft, while it doesn't exist, in RL, would be able to lift much more supplies than any of these other VTOL craft and would have stunning transport abilities.

The numbers and type of craft are modified by the intended use of the ship. Personally, I replace the Hueys with Blackhawks and the Seaknights with either Blackhawks or Sea Dragons (soon, by militarized Helibus-type helos).

I don't know how much this helps you, but that's what there is to say in terms of generalisms. An important factor to remember is that a Superlarge-type helicopter probably takes the resources of 2-3 blackhawks and many Light helos...but it can carry much more.

*bUmP*

Anyone interested in producing the AAAV?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/aaav.htm

We can provide you with the AAAVs for $2.8 million a unit (barely more than the common market price for the AAVP7A1).

We could also provide you with the HLCAC or the older LCAC for a decent price.

*ahem* (having found a resource quoting a price much higher than that, the price will be more towards $5m (not clear exactly, but RL costs about 6.9 (avg unit cost for about 1,000 units) but I'm trying to figure out what my tech level can cut costs in).

OOC: d'oh! Wow, I'm good at missing plain-English statements like that, aren't I? Sometimes I surpries even myself...

IC: Thank you, WA, for, erm... clarifying that. I think you will be my supplier for all of the final landing craft.

Quick recap of items still needed before I make my full order:

-6 battleships
-30 cargo ships
-15 minesweepers


Remember, if you think you can make a better offer on an item that I've already sourced, by all means make it! The items listed here are simply those that I haven't found a source for yet.

Quick recap of items still needed before I make my full order:

-6 battleships
-30 cargo ships
-15 minesweepers


Remember, if you think you can make a better offer on an item that I've already sourced, by all means make it! The items listed here are simply those that I haven't found a source for yet.

*bUmP*

I make an 18 inch gunned battleship with hangar space for 4 large helos or 2 VTOL jets, it's on my Shop thread, down near the bottom. 1.15 billion Calcs (.93 USD per calc, so $1.0695 Billion USD.)

Also for Minesweepers the Small patrol ship (missile) I make can have the Depthcharges removed and a towed sonar sled and remote mine countermeasures destruction rover fitted on the cleared afterdeck. $62 million USD each.

Cargo ship, Are these additional to the replenishment at sea ships? or instead of the RAS ships?

If just standard drygood/container ships we can provide 12,000 ton and 20,000 ton civilian cargo ships with a 14 Knt cruise and max of 22 Knts and mount a pair of 9 cell RIM-118 SRMs and a Phalanx on them, with a few .50s around the railings to keep off small boats. $31 mil for the 12,000 ton and $42 mil the 20,000 ton ship.

The cargo ships are definitely in addition to the RAS ships. They are there to lug around war materiel and put it ashore via any ports or docks that can be captured, because, let's face it, that is the most efficient way to get supplies to the front once the beachhead has been established.

Does that battleship have CIWS and other useful doohickeys?

As for the cargo ships,is there any way these could be made available with an higher cruise speed? I'm trying to establish an amphibious force that can get to & fro very quickly to hot spots.

The converted minesweepers sound like just the trick to do the job. Thank you Calarca.


Notice to all suppliers - my main order is coming very soon. Sorry about the delay.

OOC: As they are in addition then as Material transport RO-RO would be better than drygoods/Container ships. I've been cruising a few shipbuilding pages online and found something that should do fine. RORO can deploy good by trucks carried without needing cranes or cargo lifts, which would be one of the first sabotage targets by retreating troops specificly to deny you rapid resupply. remember to have your minesweepers check out the harbour, If I was a retreating enemy I'd drop a few mines off the side of the wharf and hope you just pull your resupply ships up over them, goodbye supplies!!.

IC:
Calarcian Shipbuilding has available a halfdecked multirole transport, fore third of the top deck is a wheeled/tracked vehicle area, with a ramp down over the bows that can be deployed to land vehicles on wharfs as well as ramps to the port and starboard all at standard international shipping wharf heights. This deck leads down to a enclosed vehicle hold via another ramp/hatchway. on this second deck 320 vehicles can be held, or 110 with containers stowed. A large unboltable and removeable hatchway is in the roof under the top decks Container area allowing containers to be lowered down and be stored on this deck, and a rear ramp can be deployed out of doors in the stern allowing a lower wharf to be used than the fore. descending another ramp is the basement deck, forward of the engine rooms and machinery spaces and above the fuel tanks, this deck can hold 40 vehicles.
Behind the fore top vehicle deck and fore of the superstructure is a container storage area capable of holding 70 x 20 foot standard shipping containers. A derrick is attahed to the superstructure which can lift the containers from the deck to trucks on the wharfs.

The ship is powered by oil burners and steam turbines driving 4 shafts for a maximum speed of 29 Knt and a cruising speed of 18 Knts.

Crew is 32 and 12 supernumaries, drivers etc for the material carried are expected to be carried via assault ships or arrive via cargo planes once a airbase has been secured in the area. Alternatively the basement deck can be converted to personell space and can carry 240 men.

Self defence equipment is one CIWS Vulcan 20mm, one 9 cell RIM-118 SRM, and 2 x 30mm enclosed bushmaster cannons.

Cost 56 Millian Calcs, includes 20 small mobility trucks in order to save space onboard rather than using large standard trucks.
http://www.arisspa.it/img_home/mobilty_system/MobilitySystem_eng.jpg
http://www.arisspa.it/img_home/mobilty_system/MobilitySystem_sotto.jpg
these are suffcient to offload trailers full of Containers etc to shore/wharfs where larger combat transort vehicles can take over to continue to the front lines.
As to the battleship, It's based on a number of WW2 ships scaled up, and being nuclear powered it has no need for a funnel, so where oil burner ships funnels were is now a 64 missile VLS system, where the 5 inch DP/HA mounting were down the sides of the superstructure, several of the mountings are replaced with 21 cell RIM-118 SRMs and where 40mm mounts were on the top of the supertructure 4 have been exchanged for CIWS 30mm Gaolkeeper systems or CIWS 20mm Vulcan systems. the major difference tho, is the rear deck, the rear turrent has been lifted up to the height of the hangar roof and is only 2 guns, the two fore turrenst are standard 3 gun turrents. total of 8 x 18" guns and 4 helos/2 VTOLS. a second variation is with the removal of the hangar two further 3 gun turrents can be fitted, creating a 14 x 18" gun battleship. Given a Battleship will presumably be being escorted by ASW frigates the loss of the helicopters antisub protection is not such a great loss.

The extra gun turrents are an additional 250 million USD on the price of the basic battleship.

So....anything new? Any orders yet to be filled?

yes.....anything?

I've only skimmed some of the most recent posts, and it seems you've got the RO/RO ships covered? But still, if you'd like a nice mass-transport with integrated LCAC loading/unloading system, check here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63267). It'd be great to back up a beachead that is already established (such as this amphibious group would be creating), and albeit a bit slow, it's got some major reinforcement capabilities. Lemme know if you're interested.

Sorry about the loooong post delay. Comp issues. Ask Kahtan if you want to know anything more specific. Anyhoo, I've got my entire order covered. Will send out t-grams to suppliers today or tomorrow.

Orders have been filled with Calarca, Nankin, and Powerfularmies. We are still awaiting contact with WesternAsia. Our amphibious groups are nearly put together.



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Jack Dunphy
Secretary of the Navy
Republic of Thirtycaliber

***bUmP*** at the request of WA.

I am back, and this time a bit older :wink:

This time I can sell you more than F-18's.

Here:

Seal Class Destroyer:

http://www.shanklinsailingclub.btinternet.co.uk/ali/boats/stealth.jpg

Crew of 100
Top Speed: 50 knots
Arnament: 2 AA-2 250km range SAM launchers
5 SAM-10 Launchers
10 Vertical Tomahawk Launchers
10 Harpoon Launchers
1 Helicopter Pad on lift under slide back roof
1 150mm Gun on lift " " " " "
2 MAM small ICBM launchers
Is a very versatile Destroyer, and is semi-stealth

COST: 500 Million

Thanks Thirtycal,
What numbers of each item/items do you need?

Updated heli listing:
Some of my offerings:

Aircraft
NOTE: All aircraft are automatically updated with GIAI specialized Aeronautics and Control systems above what the baseline models would carry.

-ROTARY WING-
X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit=
X UH-60L Blackhawk (basic)@ $11M/unit=
X MH-60L Blackhawk (SOC)@ $12M/unit=
X MH-60L DAP Blackhawk (with ammo/missiles load)@ $13.5M/unit=
X MH-60G Pavehawk@ $12.5M/unit=
X MH-60S Knighthawk@ $12M/unit=

X MH-92 Blackgull (Helibus)@$15M/unit=

X H-53 (CH-53 Sea Stallion/ CH-53E Super Stallion /MH-53E Sea Dragon/MH-53J Pave Low III)@ $25M/unit=

X RAH-66 Comanche@ $14M/unit=

X AH-1W SuperCobra@ $11M/unit=
X AH-1Z UltraCobra (AKA "KingCobra," "Zulu," "ZuluCobra")@$12.4M/unit (standard price)=

(The Zulu: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=783622#783622)

-FIXED WING-
(More Info on these aircraft (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1088344#1088344))
X F/A-18IE/F Super Hornet@ $52M/unit=

EW:
X EA-6B ICAP II Block 89A "Prowler"@ $52M/unit=
X F/A-18IG (EA-18 ) 'Growler'@ $54M/unit=

Note: Some other ship-based aircraft can also be made available by special request, including F/A-18IC/D Hornets.

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Helicopter Issues
Please note the following about helicopters
- GM Cruisers, GM and ASW Frigates, and GM and FD Destroyers are all capable of supporting 2 helicopters.
- HBCs and Heli Corvettes are each capable of supporting 1 helicopter.
- SBVs and ships smaller than a corvette are not capable of supporting any helicopters.
- Carriers and SOCS each have their capacities specified in their descriptions.

LAMPS Seahawks are capable of both ASW and CSAR operations at sea and are very capable aircraft in their own right.

Due to the massive size of the H-53 series of helicopters, only 1 can be really launched and maintained from non-carriers (SOCS and Amphibious Assault platforms are counted as carriers)at a time.

Some Basic Blackhawk Models Offered

--Basic Blackhawks (troop transport for 10-12, with crew of 3 and one door gun): ~11mil

--Special Operations Capable (SOC) Blackhawk (Same as BB, but with many Pavehawk improvements for limited SO support capabilities): ~11.5mil

--LAMPS Seahawk (ASW-capable, can bear ASMs, can also do CSAR and slightly limited troop transportation (6, 4 if stretcher loaded; crew of 4-5, like Basics but with specialist(s) in either ASW(BB+1) or CSAR operations(BB+2)): ~12mil

--Pavehawk (Special Operations Extended Range transport craft, door guns, advanced ground-following avionics, dampened IR and audio signature): ~12.5mil

--Blackhawk DAPs (Armed Blackhawks, with virtually the armament of an Apache (Pylons can bear 2 weapons pods each. Under-nose gun is the same as on Apache) but with added Troop transport capabilities. 4 can be transported as 1-2 extra crew are required for the manning of door guns, also advanced avionics as in the Pavehawk): ~13.5mil

--Knighthawk (An improved version of the Blackhawk, built on the time and deployment-tested Blackhawk airframe but modified and designed specifically for use at sea in under-way replenishment and a variety of other roles, including Combat Search and Rescue, Special Warfare Support and Airborne Mine Countermeasures.): 12mil

--Knighthawk (An improved version of the Blackhawk, built on the time and deployment-tested Blackhawk airframe but modified and designed specifically for use at sea in under-way replenishment and a variety of other roles, including Combat Search and Rescue, Special Warfare Support and Airborne Mine Countermeasures.): 12mil

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Additional Notes:
The MH-92 'Blackgull' is based on the commercial S-92 Helibus (http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/s92/index.html) and has capabilities (in terms of speed, stealthiness, and load lift capacity) above and beyond those of the older (and soon in need of retirement) H-47 Chinook.

OOC: FC, your destroyer design shows promise. However, there are a few issues with it.

1) As for semi-stealth, this is a bit vague. I know of the RL design this is based on. It incorporates some visual stealth via a low profile and a certain color scheme, very good radar stealth via hull shape and radar-absorbant materials, and good infrared stealth via engine design and a few ways of spreading the heat around, and sonar stealth by using pontoons to reduce wake and keeping engine noise above the waterline (and thus making it quiet from below water). You should research this a bit, and list it tohelp your sales.

2) A single 150mm gun isn't going to be very useful. You might be better off with, say 2 127mm guns and 3 75mm guns,which won't weigh a lot more but will really help in bombardment capability.

3) An advanced destroyer that moves at 50 knots is going to cost a good deal more than 500 mil to produce, yet alone as a price to sell it at. 800 mil might be a bit more reasonable. Also, some sort of missile countermeasure might be useful.





IC: Freedom Country, we are sorry, but we have already filled our order for destroyers. However,we may need more soon. Perhaps a bit later.



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Jack Dunphy
Secretary of the Navy
Republic of Thirtycaliber

Ok

We are still going to keep the 150mm cannon, but attach 2 smaller cannons to the sides of it. It has perfect missile countermeasures (chaffs etc.)

And 500 millio was an estimate, so sorry.

WesternAsia, keep in mind that the basic amphibious group has 5 Wasp-class assault ships. Thus,if we had a balanced force of LCAC's, AAAV's, transport choppers, and attack choppers, about what kind of force can we put on the ground and what can we back them up with?

As for fixed-wing aircraft,I'm not sure that the basic amphibious group will include any, unless they were Harrier-type jumpjets (or JSF's, etc.).

WA: I'm looking at the X MH-60G Pavehawk for most of my heliborne ship-to-shore troop transport capability. The Commanche could likely fill the rotary-wing CAS role nicely. I'm still working out numbers here. Do you have any idea how many of these I would be able to fit on my strike force? The assault group consists of:

5x Wasp amphib.assault ships
2x BB's
5x AEGIS cruisers
5x Destroyers
5x assualt-modified frigates
5x Seawolf subs
30x support ships (oilers and RAS ships)
5x minesweepers
10x RO/RO's

-an unknown # of helo's AAAV's, and LCAC's (that's waht I need to figure out - how many I can fit. I believe you had a link up pertaining to this before. I'm going to look back and see if I can find it.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70845

My naval storefront.


Ill get the link to an amphibious assault ship I developed with another country shortly.
Edit:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52737

For your 5 Wasp-class amphib. assault ships:

The following are per-vessel estimates of a balanced-capability force for the Wasp-Class Amphibious Assault Ship (assuming that other vessels bear support and fleet defense (ASW) helicopters):
8 - MH-92 Blackgull (Helibus) helicopters (can be replaced by roughly equal number of Seaknights, if so desired)
6 - CH-53 Sea Stallion helicopters
4 - MH-60S Knighthawk helicopters
4 - AH-1W SuperCobra or AH-1Z UltraCobra attack helicopters
6 - AV-8B Harrier attack planes / F-35C (STOVL) JSF
up to 6 smaller aircraft

The Wasp-borne ground forces tend to be light on MBTs and heavy artillery and to focus more on wheeled LAVs or APCs. The reason is that an LCAC can transport several LAVs in each sortie but only a single MBT. Consequently, MEUs only have 4 Abrams M1A1 tanks in them and many HMMWVs and wheeled LAVs. Artillery is usually derived from ships at sea and heavy mortars (120mm) with the marines. HLCACs should improve the ability of any particular Amphib. Assault carrier to land heavier equipment but it remains to be seen if the USMC plans to increase the heavy-armor capacity of its MEUs when/if HLCACs become available IRL.

If you are using HLCACs (or my Condor transport units…coming on sale soon (I hope)) then you could probably get away with a fairly sizeable Armored/Mechanized MEU-type force. I do and it’s nice to have an MEAU (Marine Expeditionary Armored Unit) on-hand for conflicts. I’d say that you could double or even triple your armored contingent using an HLCAC (to 8-12 MBTs/2-3 Tank Platoons vs. 1 in a normal MEU) and even more with a Condor (which I’ve designed to bear an entire tank platoon in a single load).

Water-based transporters:
If you have one Amphib. Assault carrier then go with 1 LCAC or HCAC + a mix of Amphibious Assault APCs (AAVP7A1 or AAAV)...just say about 1/2 of the offered total capacity as present for the AA-APCs(the other half of the space is taken by the LCAC/HLCAC...the HLCAC actually takes up somewhat less linear space along the longitudinal axis in spite of maintaining a greater capacity).

2x BB's

Most BBs carry either one helicopter or none (in the only recent use of BBs in RL warfare, the USN used Israeli-made UAVs (Pioneers, I believe) to act as target spotters for the BBs in GWI off of Iraq. Very effective but no need for BBs in modern RL warfare…so BBs might have no helis but several UAVs (they have a fairly low return rate, but in using artillery over missiles they make up for the costs of a series of strikes)).


5x AEGIS cruisers

Usually carry about 1-2 helicopters/ship. Mostly will be ASW (Seahawk, Nighthawk, Sea Dragon, or other ASW craft. Might be one-ASW (fleet defense) + one-transport (for transport and assault, Nighthawk conveniently covers both bases). Check with manufacturer.

5x Destroyers

Same as Cruisers, perhaps only one aircraft. Check with manufacturer.



5x assualt-modified frigates (calarcan)
Cap: "1 medium helicopter capacity/vessel"

Probably either ASW (for defense) or transport (for assault).


One thing to note is that the helicopters on the smaller vessels (non-carriers) are less likely to be "expendable" in the same way that carrier-based aircraft are (it has a larger impact for a vessel that only has one ASW helicopter or short-range aerial transporter to loose that helicopter than it is for a carrier with two dozen such craft to loose one transporter/defender).

I'm not so sure any more about a 'balanced' force. While I was awaiting your reply ( that was a little while to think ;P),I was thinking that I might be able to avoid some 'squeezing' and fitting issues if I made rough guesstimates as to specific capacity with as little mixing as possible based on the Wasp class documentation at Globalsecurity. I'm thinking about concentrating specific assets on ships to simplify landing operations. These are my current working figures on how much I'll be able to fit on everything. Tell me if any of my numbers seem screwy. . The way I'm leaning is:

2x Wasp for Marine landing ops ( 40x AAAV, 46x S-92), total of 1604 Marines landed in the first wave per ship, probably only 1 wave of actual men per ship).

1x Wasp-class decicated to fire support (3 LCAC's loaded with MT-280's, a type of light fire support vehicle about the size/weight of an APC, plus 10 Commanches and 8 F35C's)

1x Wasp-class dedicated to equipment landing (18 CH-53E's with ammunition, food, etc. 3 LCAC's loaded MLRS and arty)

1x Wasp-class loaded with heavy support (3 LCAC's with 6 tanks total per ship, in two waves, ( 9CH-53E's with troops, 9 CH-53Es carrying mortars, arty and ammo).

All the other ships in the force would be carrying ASW/CSAR Seahawks.

By my calculation, this comes to a total of:

80x AAAV
92x S-92
36x CH-53E
9x LCAC
10x Commanche
8x F-35C
22x Seahawk

Per amphibious assault group. Since I have all the capital and support ships for 3 assault groups, my order would come to:

240x AAAV
276x S-92
108x CH-53E
27x LCAC
30x Commanche
24x F-35C
66x Seahawk

I'm not sure how much $$ this would come to, but if these numbers seem OK, calculate my tab for me and the cash will be wired upon confirmation. (Finally! I've been waiting for awhile to get my navy in order. Now I need to rush to get a force into action in Nimbata to support friendly nations there). PS - if roughly the same # of goodies could be spread about the task force that would also be acceptable. Any ideas?

I'm not so sure any more about a 'balanced' force. While I was awaiting your reply ( that was a little while to think ;P),I was thinking that I might be able to avoid some 'squeezing' and fitting issues if I made rough guesstimates as to specific capacity with as little mixing as possible based on the Wasp class documentation at Globalsecurity. I'm thinking about concentrating specific assets on ships to simplify landing operations. These are my current working figures on how much I'll be able to fit on everything. Tell me if any of my numbers seem screwy.

Glad to hear of your progress.

The way I'm leaning is:

2x Wasp for Marine landing ops ( 40x AAAV, 46x S-92), total of 1604 Marines landed in the first wave per ship, probably only 1 wave of actual men per ship).

1x Wasp-class decicated to fire support (3 LCAC's loaded with MT-280's, a type of light fire support vehicle about the size/weight of an APC, plus 10 Commanches and 8 F35C's)

1x Wasp-class dedicated to equipment landing (18 CH-53E's with ammunition, food, etc. 3 LCAC's loaded MLRS and arty)

1x Wasp-class loaded with heavy support (3 LCAC's with 6 tanks total per ship, in two waves, ( 9CH-53E's with troops, 9 CH-53Es carrying mortars, arty and ammo).

You can have more more troops than that for your Heavy-support ship. And your equipment landing ship could be used to carry a lot of towed-artilery and light-strike vehicles (HMMWVs with TOW IIs), which could be easily transported slung under a CH-53 or H-92.


All the other ships in the force would be carrying ASW/CSAR Seahawks.

This is fine, but you might want to look into the MH60S/CH60S Knighthawk.

Info (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/ch-60.htm)
More info (http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/mh_60s/index.html)

The Knighthawk is effectively the upgrade/replacement for the Seahawk in many roles and can also be used for heavier cargo (plus troop transport) missions between vessels. Just a note.

By my calculation, this comes to a total of:

80x AAAV
92x S-92
36x CH-53E
9x LCAC
10x Commanche
8x F-35C
22x Seahawk

Per amphibious assault group. Since I have all the capital and support ships for 3 assault groups, my order would come to:

240x AAAV
276x S-92
108x CH-53E
27x LCAC
30x Commanche
24x F-35C
66x Seahawk

I'm not sure how much $$ this would come to, but if these numbers seem OK, calculate my tab for me and the cash will be wired upon confirmation. (Finally! I've been waiting for awhile to get my navy in order. Now I need to rush to get a force into action in Nimbata to support friendly nations there). PS - if roughly the same # of goodies could be spread about the task force that would also be acceptable. Any ideas?

240 X AAAV@ $4.8M/unit= $1.152bn
27 X LCAC@ $16M/unit= $432M

(OOC: I don't know if you want it, but the HLCAC (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/hlcac.htm) price is only $18M/unit and it offers many benefits over the LCAC (like double the payload and 1/3 more surface area for transport, taking the capacity up to 2 MBTs or 10 LAVs or probably over 26 HMMWVs (vs 1 MBT or 4 LAVs or 12 HMMWVs)...and it doesn't take up much more actual room. It's your choice, I'm just not sure if you remembered to consider the HLCAC. The HLCAC cost for an equivalent number of units would be 486M, or only 54M more.)

276 X MH-92 Blackgull (S-92 Helibus)@$15M/unit= $4.14bn
108 X CH-53E Super Stallion@ $25M/unit= $2.7bn (OOC: Did you mean the MH-53E Sea Dragon? There's no cost difference.)
66 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $792M

30 X RAH-66 Comanche@ $14M/unit= $420M
24 x F-35B (STOVL) JSF@ $38M/unit= $912M

The subtotal for these craft would be $10.548bn. With transport, contracting, and equipage charges, that comes to $10.758bn. A staggered or incremental payment system is acceptable. Thank you for choosing GINY, GIAI, and so many other Western Asian companies for your amphibious assault force needs.

As for your rush, the units required for one task force will be rush-shipped by ULA and/or PelicanULTRA craft within 24 hours.

OOC NOTE: Sorry for the mess-up with the JSF. GlobalSecurity lists the C-variant as the STOVL while Lockheed-Martin (and other sources) says it's the B that is STOVL...must be a messed-up source text on GS's part. The price for this is the best that I can figure. As far as spreading goods about, there shouldn't be a serious problem with that at all.

While it appears that you have already filled all of your original request, please feel free to check the Kelanthian Arms Conglomerate storefront (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62566) for any more naval needs you might have. Also, we offer many different types of air and ground units in addition to our extensive inventory of naval options, so please do not hesitate to contact us for more information. Thank you.

Thank you, WesternAsia. $10.758 billion has been wired directly (OOC: the joys of bringing your economy from Strong to Frightening in 3 days... the joy!). The Knighthawk and several other suggestions of yours will be sure upgrades, once the Nimbata conflict is over (don't want to change horses midstream & whatnot). Thank you for all of your help in bringing this task force together.

Kelanthia - the forum is being weird tonight, so your storefront won't open, but I'll check it out when it does.

.30 cal. Always. :D

BTW, One of your upgrade interests might be in my "Condor" VTOL transporter. Specs have been in-the-works for a while but it seems to be (almost) coming together now!

There are also some new items back at my Tech Thread (linked previously) that you might like. :D