NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: These are jets I've been working on for some time. check out This thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38370&highlight=) for developement information.

OOC: Soon I'll have pics and specs for all of them.

Yesterday it was announced that the "native" series of military jets was completed after much anticipation. The five planes--Catarian, Polarian, Dragarian, Solarian, and Kangararian--hope to be the best jets in their class. Here is some information.

Catarian

http://propro.iis.nsk.su/bcad/gallery/su/c-34-001.jpg

Primary Function: Tactical Fighter

Wingspan: 45 feet, 8 inches

Length: 63 feet, 5 inches

Height: 15 feet, 3 inches

Powerplant: 2 Zykosis powered turbofan engines capable of thrust vectoring and supercruise

Speed: Mach 2.55

Armament: 6 Zephyr AMRAAMs, 1 25mm Gatling gun, 1 10 mm Gatling gun.

Crew: 1 pilot and an optional rear gunner

Builder: Bandit the Worm Research

Main Feature: The spearhead of the Maniacan fleet(as soon as we have more of these than the Anarchist2), using optimum speed and good manueverability to gain positional advantage.

Unit Cost: 1.73 billion

Price: Not for sale, period



Polarian

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:pIwGKqx38X4C:www.sgi.com/software/performer/images/spacecraft.jpg

Primary Function: Tactical Fighter

Wingspan: 28 feet, 9 inches

Length: 38 feet, 7 inches

Height: 8 feet, 11 inches

Powerplant: One Zykosis Powered Turbofan engine capable of supercruise and thrust vectoring

Speed: Mach 2.15

Armament: 4 Zephyr AMRAAMs, 1 20mm Gatling Gun, and 2 10mm Gatling Guns.

Crew: One pilot

Builder: Bandit the Worm Research

Main Feature: Has almost no turning circle, so you can be looking at it's afterburner before you blink, and looking at it's nose-mounted Gats afterwards.

Unit Cost: 1.45 billion

Price: Not for sale yet.

Dragarian

http://www.lancersreactor.com/t/flships/images/cv_vheavy_fighter.gif

Primary Function: Air to Air and Air to Ground attack aircraft

Wingspan: 45.6 feet

Length: 38.3 feet

Height: 22.2 feet

Powerplant: Two Zykosis Powered Dual Turbofan Engines capable of supercruise and thrust vectoring.

Speed: Mach 1.15

Armament: 1 30 mm nose mounted gatling gun, 6 Zephyr AMRAAMs, 4 Oddysey ALRAAMs, 6 Terracleanse Air to Ground Bombs.

Crew: One Pilot, optional weapon systems officer(used for less experienced pilots)

Builder: Bandit the Worm Research

Main Feature: Carries a whole bunch of stuff. Not fast, so is usually covered by other craft.

Unit Cost: 1.86 billion(If you think this is too conservative, let me know)

Price: Not for sale

Solarian

http://www.lancersreactor.com/t/flships/images/anubis.gif

Primary Function: Long-range heavy bomber

Wingspan: 142 Feet

Length: 155 feet

Height: 40 Feet

Powerplant: 4 Zykosis Powered Dual Turbofan Engine with afterburner

Speed: Mach 1.4

Armament: 26 Terracleanse GPS-aided JDAM/26 Terracleanse Dumb bombs/combination; 8 Eagle naval mines; 84 Mk-82 500-pound general purpose bombs; 84 Mk-62 500-pound naval mines; 30 CBU-87, -89, -97 cluster munitions

Crew: Pilot, Co-pilot, Two Weapons systems officers.

Builder: Bandit the Worm Research

Main Feature: Carries a bunch of bombs, goes fast for the bombs it carries.

Unit Cost: $1.92 billion

Buying Cost: Not for sale

Kangararian

http://www.lylatwars.de/greatfox.jpg

Primary Function: Military Cargo plane

Wingspan: 422 feet, 6 inches(Flying position)

Length: 434 feet, 3 inches

Height: 200 feet, 4 inches

Powerplant: 10 Zykosis Powered Dual Turbofan Engines.

Speed: Mach .83

Armament: Two Front Mounted 30mm Cannons, 10 mm Machine Gunner at each side.

Infantry Capacity: 510 Infantry/Paratroop/Combination

Aircraft Capacity: 14 Catarians/Anarchist2s, 5 Larger Planes/Combination

Military Vehicle Capacity: 10 tanks, 15 Recon, 5APC, 5 Mortar/Combination

Supply Capacity: 4,000 pounds

Maximum Takeoff Weight: 2,778,750 pounds

Crew: 3 pilots, 4 gunners, 4 loadmasters

Unit cost: $3.5 billion

Buying cost: Not for sale

Main Feature: Can carry a huge amount of stuff, and can go very fast for it's size.



That's all! Comments are welcome as always

i'll preorder 1000 of the polarians. as long as the price is fairly reasonable, then i won't cancel. however, to boost production speed i offer 6 billion dollars not to be payed back. enjoy and get them out soon. if you need more money to build, contact me.

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too good?! You insult me my friend! come now... surely something can be arranged?

if you've read all of my post concerning my alliances, you'll know that i am a lord of space. my fighters are fully capable of coming into the atmosphere, but not without a severe drop in capability. your fighters would end that for us.

i will give 2 billion for each. the price is reasonable with a 100% profit. that comes to a total of 2 trillion. since my alliance recently sold a nation for 12 trillion, this is no problem.

do not insult the NS Dominion by refusing to sell. if you sell we will have a pact stating that i will never use them against you or your allies. simple as that. however, if you refuse, we will steal the plans by force. i hope it doesn't come to that.

i transfer 50 billion dollars worth of hard pressed platinum on one of my most trusted cargo ships. i expect it to arrive in about an hour. accept in and get building. don't risk our friendly terms to your pride.

ken matthews, minister of war for the NS Dominion

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You try and force him, and you die a painful death my friend. I'm not a member of the UN , therefore I will not restrain myself for using any weaponry. You threaten him or attack him, you will find the full force of my military staring down at you. We have mastered the art of war my friend, and that's one weapon that isn't ever to be underestimated.

First, i accept the terms of sale wholeheartedly.

second, to jangle, threats are empty. you should recognize that since your nation is so old. but i too have mastered the art of war and in doing so have obtained many allies. no doubt that you have too, but there was little reason for your post. now that i've said that, hopefully we can be on better terms :wink:

I will buy one for uranium protection for 80 billion dollars no more no less. Thank you. No questions asked.

I just personally don't like those that bully smaller nations for thier own benefit.

*Annnnd...it never happened. Maybe people will actually show interest in the science of the thing now*

jangle, i appologize for insulting you, but Maniaca is a nation just about the same size as mine. i didn't "bully" him because he's smaller, heck i couldn't win. i just need them ASAP b/c i'm at war with toonan. again, i'm sorry, i'll leave you alone in the future.

maniaca, please, just allow to keep my threads here and conduct it here. there's no denying that i was being a little petty at the beginning, and for that i'm sorry, but you are pushing this to be demeaning.

Oh, and I would like to say that in a test run against a Jangle Jangle Ridge Unmanned craft, the two planes stalemated, but the Polarian showed the superior manueverability we wanted it to show.

One question... how much ammo do you propose to carry with the four rotary cannon systems. Each system is a significant portion and weight to your small craft. The ammunition for said weapons is not light either. I'm just curious as how your thrust-to-weight rations will allow mach 2.2 on such a small plane.

Ok, two questions... how does your vectored thrust eliminate the turning circle. I can understand a full reversal in the vertical plane, but a horizontal slip of that magnitude would very nearly shear your tailfins from the aircraft as well as induce a massive lateral G-force to your pilot.

If you could answer these questions, I would be interested in buying a few for our fighter weapons school.

THEY'RE NOT FOR SALE!!!!!!


To answer your first question, not much. I'm not sure what the average ammount of ammunition is, but to allow it to achieve maximum speed(keep in mind it's smallness makes it aerodynamic, and is less weight for the two Zykosis turbos to push) and maneuverability, we seriously took something off it. The Polarian is not really meant for one on one dogfights, they're more suited to fronting a squadron of many planes.

To answer your second question, keep in mind it's not completely eliminated, maybe I didn't make that clear enough. Think of a city bridge, with a walkway for construction workers in case the bridge starts to fall apart in between two roads going either way. A demon sorceror eliminates the support poles, and the plane flies along the left lane of the bridge. It then turns around, so that it ends up flying over the (pilot's) left lane on the other side of the walkway. Now, it can do this thanks to some stuff. Extra flaps, all over the plane, and a small, ball-shaped 5 pound weight in the center, which helps to make the center the point of rotation. Looking at the picture, you can see there are almost no tailfins. They are very low to the plane, which cuts down on resistance.

Hope this clears some things up for you, hope it's not godmodding :wink: .

Catarian!!!!!

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You might want to be more realistic on the guns. No fighters have ever had multiple, multi-barrel cannons.

You might want to be more realistic on the guns. No fighters have ever had multiple, multi-barrel cannons.


Multi-Barrel?

Multi-barrel is what the Gatling system is. It is a rotary cannon using the kinetic energy of the swiveling and changing barrels to speed the rate of fire. The guns on almost all fighter aircraft (current) are gatling-type weapons but are improved and simply now called rotary cannons or chainguns. The actual device has between 5 and 8 barrels, rotating around a single point and firing from only one of the barrels with each round. The round is fired, barrel rotates, new barrel fires, barrel rotates. This also allows the high rate of fire by letting the barrels cool slightly before they have to fire another round.

Multi-barrel is what the Gatling system is. It is a rotary cannon using the kinetic energy of the swiveling and changing barrels to speed the rate of fire. The guns on almost all fighter aircraft (current) are gatling-type weapons but are improved and simply now called rotary cannons or chainguns. The actual device has between 5 and 8 barrels, rotating around a single point and firing from only one of the barrels with each round. The round is fired, barrel rotates, new barrel fires, barrel rotates. This also allows the high rate of fire by letting the barrels cool slightly before they have to fire another round.

Oh.....sorry :oops: . I'll fix it up.

Better :?:

getting there, lol. listen man, i'm not trying to ran on your parade, there's just only so much you can put on a fuselage. the f-16's 20mm rotary cannon goes about 1/2 down its hull. the A-10 is built around its gun. i'm just trying to give you a bit of perspective on the size of these puppies.

Go to this page to see how it is installed in an F-16 (http://www.f-16.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=21&page=1)

For everyone intrested in the first fighter, I along with another nation are working on them, and we will be selling them. All though ours will be called the S-37 Berkut.

For everyone intrested in the first fighter, I along with another nation are working on them, and we will be selling them. All though ours will be called the S-37 Berkut.

Ifyou're going to use its name, then you may as well use the correct designation of Su-37. And in the future, it's kind of impolite to advertise your own stuff on someone else's thread.

For everyone intrested in the first fighter, I along with another nation are working on them, and we will be selling them. All though ours will be called the S-37 Berkut.

Ohhhh. Hmmmm. Do your best :P

Um, actually, shit brick, its the S-37. The Su-37 is the super flanker.

Picture of an SU-37

http://www.sci.fi/~fta/su-27-02l.jpg

Picture of an S-37 Berkut

http://www.angkasa-online.com/10/10/notam/not3.jpg

Think before you post.

Picture of an S-37 Berkut

http://www.angkasa-online.com/10/10/notam/not3.jpg

Think before you post.


Keep in mind, we're only building the same frame, and not the same colors or interiors at all.

BUT!

I've taken to heart what that Agnosticium said, and I've got to thinking: "They'll only work with the 3 or so gun turrets!"

SO

I've decided to discontinue the series for another week or so(RL time), to research a laser gun that won't take up as much space as a gat. Thank you everyone.

So I assuming your only space based because it is generally known and accepted that lasers as accepted by the general sci fi (read wierdo) community dont work in an atmosphere such as earth's.

So I assuming your only space based because it is generally known and accepted that lasers as accepted by the general sci fi (read wierdo) community dont work in an atmosphere such as earth's.

Why wouldn't they work in Earth's atmosphere? And what did you mean by "(read wierdo)"?

Meaning that 99% of those who accept lasers as they are in movies like star wars startrek etc are wierd. Also, I'm no physicist, but I kow they wont work because the particles that from the laser as a prjectile (Like teh green stuff lasers seen in movies) cant hold together in atmospheric conditions. They have like a max range of 10 feet.

My apologies to Imitoria. I had the frames confused momentarily and had forgotten that the S-37 is not the Su-37. In reality, should the plane ever actually be more than the experimental (why it has the "S" designation) it may go back to its original intended designation, Su-32. It was not a matter of not thinking... I never do that... it was a matter of lack of attention to detail. Than kyou for making that obvious.

Lasers will work in earth's atmosphere, but not like in the movies. That is why the US is designing an airborne anti-missile laser. Of course you are correct, the particles will not hold together and produce a red or green beam of light. Your laser is going to be invisible and unfeasible for a plane that small. As it is, the power required to produce a significant blast of concentrated light can only be stored on the frame of something like a 757 or larger.

Ahhhhh......But we will build it. It may take several months(RL time), but we will do it! Our developement thread is called: Project "Deathflame". You can check it out.

Nah, forget it. People will be too closed-minded. I'll come up with a new ammo system that will take up less space than a gat.

After studying the page from that link, we have come up with an idea that we think for sure will work:


There is only one system, only one ammo drum, only ammo for one gun. However, there will be multiple guns, with a line leading to each. The pilot will be able to use a mechanism inside the cockpit to decide which guns to fire out of, and such. The reason we would do this is because, though ammo may last longer out of only one gun, if you fly over a plane firing out of 4 ports, you will make contact at 4 different areas of the enemy, as opposed to only 1. It will take several years(game time, of course) to develope the system, but we think we can pass it off without godmodding. Tell us what you think.

Kangararian!!

BUMP in case future reference is necessary.

BUMP in case future reference is necessary.

Dragarian!

Solarian!! And that will be all. I'll continue bumping this periodically so it doesn't die in case I want to refer to it in the future.