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The EA-80 Transport Plane was developed to fulfill a requirement from the Elias Air Force and the Commonwealth of Severesky. In Elias Service it replaces An-12 and C-130 Types. So far it has proved itself as a remarkably capable aircraft and exteremely economical to operate, forming the back bone of Air Force Strategic Mobility and electronic warfare.

The aircraft which is slightly larger than the C-130 series is designed to be flexible and is an extremely capable aircraft that offers the perfect balance of payload, performance, short field capability and cost effectiveness. The design makes extensive use of composite materials. The capability for short soft field landing and take off is part of the requirement and the aircraft has six-wheel high flotation main landing gear with variable tyre pressure. The need for airdrops and tactical flight requires good low airspeed flight performance and the aircraft also has long range and high cruise speed for rapid and flexible deployment.

As it can either be used as a strategic or a tactical transport there is no need to operate different sets of planes for different roles.


Features

The cockpit is fully night-vision compatible and provides accommodation for two pilots and an additional crew member for special mission equipment operation. It is fitted with a fly-by-wire flight control system. The flight deck is fitted with five multifunction displays and two head-up displays. The throttle controls are placed centrally between the two pilot stations.

The cargo compartment can be configured for cargo, vehicle or troop transport or air drop, a combination of these and for aero-medical evacuation. A single loadmaster is able to reconfigure the cargo compartment for different roles either in flight or on the ground. A powered crane installed in the ceiling area of the rear section of the fuselage has a five-ton capacity for loading from the ground and for cross-loading. The rear opening door has full compartment cross-section to allow axial load movement, roll-on and roll-off loading and for the air drop of large loads. The cargo bay can transport up to nine standard military pallets (2.23m x 2.74m), including two on the ramp, along with 58 troops seated along the sides or up to 120 fully equipped troops seated in four rows. For Medevac, it can carry up to 66 stretchers and ten medical personnel. Alternatively it can carry up to 2 light helicopters or a single medium helicopter, 5 HMMWVs, a patriot missile system or three LAVs such as Stryker.


The defensive aids suite includes a radar warner, missile launch and approach warner, and chaff and flare decoy dispensers (optional). The aircraft also has armour plating crew protection, bullet-proof windscreens, engine exhaust treatment for infrared emission reduction and inert gas explosion retardation and fire retardation in the fuel systems. The wings have hardpoints for the installation of electronic warfare pods.


Specifications of EA-80A:

Powerplants: Four EPE-3 Turboprops each producing 6,950shp of thrust each.

Crew: 2 pilots, one loadmaster

Payloads: 53,000lb of equipment/freight
or 120 fully equipped troops.
More infomraton available above.

Performance:
Max Range: Empty: 4100nm
Max Range: Max Payload: 2850nm
Max Speed: Max Payload: 372Kts
Cruise Speed: 348Kts

Dimensions
Length 42.2m
Height 14.7m
Wingspan 42.4m

Minimum Runway lengths: (approximate)
Take Off: 3651ft
landing: 2480ft

Versions:

EA-80A Standard Transport Version : 46 million


-EA-80B Tanker/Transport version, same as EA-80A excepts acts as a refuelling tanker for aircraft and helicopters, can be converted to A standard within two hours. 52 million

Equipped with a removable gallon stainless steel fuel tank that is carried inside the cargo compartment providing additional fuel when required. The two wing-mounted hose and drogue refueling pods each transfer up to 300 gallons per minute to two aircraft simultaneously allowing for rapid cycle times of multiple-receiver aircraft formations (a typical tanker formation of four aircraft in less than 30 minutes).

EA-80C gunship version, same as EA-80A with following exceptions: 58 million

Armament: two 20 mm Vulcan cannons with 4000 rounds, one 40mm Bofors cannon with 256 rounds and one 105mm howitzer with 100 rounds.
All weapons are infrared/radar/GPS guided.

Requires 8 additional crew: electronic warfare officer; 7 enlisted (flight engineer, All Light Level TV operator, infrared- detection set operator, four airborne gunners )

EA-80D Psychological Warfare Version, same as EA-80A with following exceptions: 64 million.

Capability to control the electronic spectrum of radio, television, and military communication bands in a focused area, the aircraft can prepare the battlefield through psychological operations and civil affairs broadcasts. These planes provide broadcasting capabilities primarily for psychological operations missions; support disaster relief operations; and perform communications jamming in military spectrum and intelligence gathering. One blade antenna is under each wing with a third extending forward from the vertical fin. A retractable wire antenna is released from tail, with a second extending from the belly and held vertical by a 500 pound weight.

EA-80E Electronic Warfare Aircraft, same as EA-80A with following exceptions: 88 million.

Provides disruptive communications jamming and other unique capabilities to support the Joint Force Commander across the spectrum of conflict. Specifically, the modified aircraft uses noise jamming to prevent communication or degrade the transfer of information essential to command and control of weapon systems and other resources. It primarily supports tactical air operations but also can provide jamming support to ground force operations.

The EA-80D aircraft carries a combat crew of 11 people. Two members are responsible for aircraft flight and navigation, while nine members operate and maintain the EW equipment. The mission crew consists of an electronic warfare officer, who is the mission crew commander (MCC), an experienced cryptologic linguist, an Acquisition Operator, a High Band Operator, four analysis operators, and an airborne maintenance technician (AMT).

Options (apply to all versions)
Air to Air Refuelling Probe: +0.3million
Air to Air Refuelling Receptacle: +0.3million
Flare/Chaff dispensers: +1.0million




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It's a bit pricey for its carrying load but we'll take one.

-Wires Cash-

yes i put the prics down a touch, anyway its very capable i trust you just want the standard version?

We shall order eight EA-80A transports with Flare/chaff launchers.

-money sent-

I would like to purchase one. telegram me with the total

The Kingdom of Crookfur would like to purchase 10 standard models and 2 refeulers all with chaff flare system and Inflight refuelers on the standards the 581million will be wired on acceptance of order.

kahtan,Faziland and Crockfur your orders are confirmed, we appreciate your business and we know that these aircraft will be a great boost to your strategic mobility.

Kazaki would like to purchase the following:

10 Regular ones with Flare/Chaff Dispensers (470,000,000)

2 Tanker Versions w/ Flare/ Chaff Dispensers (106,000,000)

5 Gunship Versions w/ Flare/Chaff Dispensers (295,000,000)

_________________________________________________
Total :871,000,000

Money wired

Kazaki would like to purchase the following:

10 Regular ones with Flare/Chaff Dispensers (470,000,000)

2 Tanker Versions w/ Flare/ Chaff Dispensers (106,000,000)

5 Gunship Versions w/ Flare/Chaff Dispensers (295,000,000)

_________________________________________________
Total :871,000,000

Money wired

Your order is confirmed. Thnk you for your custom and we hope you enjoy your products, look out for other versions in he future.

I dunno. The Herc works for us.

Ill take 100 with chaff and air reluelin probes as well as 10 refuelers.

Yeah but the old herky Bird cant fit APCs in the back can it?

About how much LOSAT vehicles could fit into one?

Just asking since Im forming a rapid response force.

We don't have offensive armour capability. Not to mention we don't buy what can't fit into the back. Except for a few exceptions. Mabye we'll buy 2.

Ill take 100 with chaff and air reluelin probes as well as 10 refuelers.

thank you Bisons we'll discount to
$4.8 Billion as it is a big order.

About how much LOSAT vehicles could fit into one?

Just asking since Im forming a rapid response force.

Well thats Humvee mounted so id say probably 3 with a bit of space left.

About how much LOSAT vehicles could fit into one?

Just asking since Im forming a rapid response force.

Well thats Humvee mounted so id say probably 3 with a bit of space left.
Only 3?


Also, how much AMX-10's could fit? Theyre recon vehicles with 105mm guns effective at rnages of 2500mm: Light armor but fast and good for fast global reapons.

Money swent.


Heres a pic of the AMX-10:

http://www.specnaz.cz/legi/amx10rc.jpg

I'll take an order of 5 of the gunships w/ chaff/flare setups on them.

write me back and i'll wire the money over to you!! thanks

Ive seen the AMX-10 and I reckon 2 could be carried although 1 would me more advisable for reasons listed below..

With regards to the LOSAT vehicles i say 3 due to the weight not the size 4 could be carried probably but it would affect the range considerably.

Ive seen the AMX-10 and I reckon 2 could be carried although 1 would me more advisable for reasons listed below..

With regards to the LOSAT vehicles i say 3 due to the weight not the size 4 could be carried probably but it would affect the range considerably.



Ah OK thanks for clearing that up then.

Ill use 75 for carrying LOSATs and 25 for AMX-10's.

I'll take an order of 5 of the gunships w/ chaff/flare setups on them.

write me back and i'll wire the money over to you!! thanks

5 gunships with counter masures = $295 million thanks for your order.

I will purchase 50 of the transport version, and 25 of the tanker version. Is there a discount for buying in bulk. *wires money*

I will purchase 50 of the transport version, and 25 of the tanker version. Is there a discount for buying in bulk. *wires money*

Ive discounted it to 3 billion

Thank you for the discount. 8)

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Come on people, great planes for rapid reaction forces, paratroops, humanitarian aid drops (like who would do that?!) etc.

The Sultan has approved the purchase of two tanker versions to replace two KC-130Hs. The money has been wired.

The Sultanate will take:
100 of the Tansport version

50 of the Tanker version

50 of the Gunship version.

The Money will be wired when order is confirmed.

Respectfully,
Eron Lindsey
Chief Policy Advisor to the
Sultan of Prolific

The USUD will take 10 EA-80A with all options. I will send a telegram notification of my order and I will await your confirmation. *wires $460,000,000*

The Sultanate will take:
100 of the Tansport version

50 of the Tanker version

50 of the Gunship version.

The Money will be wired when order is confirmed.

Respectfully,
Eron Lindsey
Chief Policy Advisor to the
Sultan of Prolific

Confirmed thank You

UncleDaddy: ditto.

We have recently traded our old Herky-Birds to a Herc lover for 5 An-70s. They have great STOL capability. Perfect for our grass landing strips. Our main international airport is basically a reasonably flat secton of the Bowling Green outside our capitol.

We have recently traded our old Herky-Birds to a Herc lover for 5 An-70s. They have great STOL capability. Perfect for our grass landing strips. Our main international airport is basically a reasonably flat secton of the Bowling Green outside our capitol.

Yeah the An-70s good a little too large for a tactical transport, cool propfans though.

We have recently traded our old Herky-Birds to a Herc lover for 5 An-70s. They have great STOL capability. Perfect for our grass landing strips. Our main international airport is basically a reasonably flat secton of the Bowling Green outside our capitol.

Yeah the An-70s good a little too large for a tactical transport, cool propfans though.

:wink: Cakey :?

This is a very good aircraft, and we are still taking orders, post yours here and become a proud owner of an EA-80 Tactical Transport Aircraft.

Hi,

Ill take five at 46mil each base units. There's a squad.

-Ptronas

I don't like doing this but he's done it to me several times...so

Cheaper, More effective, more heavily armed gunship:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=619104#619104

I don't like doing this but he's done it to me several times...so

Cheaper, More effective, more heavily armed gunship:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=619104#619104

Its okay, at least you bumped my post!

Wolfish Defense Command would like to order the following:

10 Regular with Flare/Chaff Dispensers (470,000,000)

2 Tanker w/ Flare/ Chaff Dispensers (106,000,000)

5 Gunship w/ Flare/Chaff Dispensers (295,000,000)

_________________________________________________
Total :871,000,000

Money wired

Wolfish Defense Command would like to order the following:

10 Regular with Flare/Chaff Dispensers (470,000,000)

2 Tanker w/ Flare/ Chaff Dispensers (106,000,000)

5 Gunship w/ Flare/Chaff Dispensers (295,000,000)

_________________________________________________
Total :871,000,000

Money wired

Your order is confirmed . thank you very much and we hope you are satisfied with the aircraft.



Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export,
Dictatorship of United Elias

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/united_elias.jpg

We would like to purchase

10 "A" with Flare/Chaff Dispensers (470,000,000)

2 "B" w/ Flare/ Chaff Dispensers (106,000,000)

10 "C" w/ Flare/Chaff Dispensers (590,000,000)

Total :1,166,000,000

We would like to purchase

10 "A" with Flare/Chaff Dispensers (470,000,000)

2 "B" w/ Flare/ Chaff Dispensers (106,000,000)

10 "C" w/ Flare/Chaff Dispensers (590,000,000)

Total :1,166,000,000

Your order is confirmed . thank you very much and we hope you are satisfied with the aircraft.



Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export,
Dictatorship of United Elias

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sorry that was me ^^^ damn forum!

240 Tankers and 240 Gunships. Half of the money will be wired upon confirmation of order and the other half will be wire upon reception of order.

edited because of later post

OOC: Thanks for the wakeup call bladerunner, although it could have been more polite

IC: My ability to make complete orders is pretty much depleted for one week (RT), however if you would deliver twelve of each per day (RT) I will pay for the aircraft when they are recieved.

OOC: By the way, Bladerunner, I have a population of seven million, twenty per cent of which is between the ages of 17-40, giving me a military of 1.4 million including reserves, which when you look at a country like the real US is not all that rediculous. Of course I guess to you ten aircraft is a real airlift and refueling capability considering you obviously have no idea of how a real military works.

OOC: Thanks for the wakeup call bladerunner, although it could have been more polite

IC: My ability to make complete orders is pretty much depleted for one week (RT), however if you would deliver twelve of each per day (RT) I will pay for the aircraft when they are recieved.

OOC: By the way, Bladerunner, I have a population of seven million, twenty per cent of which is between the ages of 17-40, giving me a military of 1.4 million including reserves, which when you look at a country like the real US is not all that rediculous. Of course I guess to you ten aircraft is a real airlift and refueling capability considering you obviously have no idea of how a real military works.

.Your order is DENIED: If you have a populatioin of 7 million and a military of 1.4 million this is a GODMOD pure and simple. If you actually did have this high a military force you would have so few workers that you ceratainly would not be able to afford so much as a Cessna nevermind anything else. Comeback when your a proper nation. Sorry but we have regulations.

OOC: Right, I'm getting sick of the godmod bs. Let me help you with those numbers, or perhaps you missed the RESERVES part. My army: 50,000 active, 32,000 reserves ; Marines 70,000 active, 30,000 reserves; AF 5,262 Active (Pilots), 408 Reserves (Pilots); Navy N/A. Now that's just combat personel, and all but the Army and Air Force are estimates because I haven't yet worked up a TO&E for the rest. I also didn't include support personel which make the bulk of any armed force. Also, all my troops have access to public computer with the internet and are encouraged to have some form of business, however small, online to do their part with the economy. One more thing, I have no existing supplies, I'm building my army from the ground up. But whatever, your aircraft, do whatever you want with them, I'll just go somewhere else.

Scandinavian States:

We apologise and thank you for your clarification it is reassuring to know that there are some new nations who know what they are talking about. We are willing to sell you 12 of our aircraft (of the type you specify) if you still want them and we ill offer 10% discount to compensate for our rudeness. Take it or leave it.

The Commonwealth would like to purchase 12 transports for the specified price. Half now, half on reception.

DEAL

erm...bump!

The United Socialists States of Fabreeze would like to purchase two EA-80s for a total of 92 million dollars.

*Money Wired*

Confirmed Thank you.

2x EA-80B Tanker version
2x EA-80C gunship version
5x EA-80A
plz

2x EA-80B Tanker version
2x EA-80C gunship version
5x EA-80A
plz

Confirmed. Thank You for your repeat business on most of my threads.

Money wired.
Also, I would like these:
Air to Air Refuelling Probe
Flare/Chaff dispensers

for all of my planes
thx

Money wired.
Also, I would like these:
Air to Air Refuelling Probe
Flare/Chaff dispensers

for all of my planes
thx

These requirements have been added to the order .

Thank you. Remaining Money wired.

i'll take 4 transports

We'll take 15 EA-80 C with F/C dispenser.
The money will be wired now.

We would like 100 such planes. What is the cost?

I would like ten of each variation, with air-to-air refueling attachmewnts on the transports only.
1.561 billion will be wired upon confirmation of order.

Hmm looks like a A400 to me......... ;)

But then I guess I can take 200 of these due to our shortfall of transporting troops via air.

Al orders are confirmed.

First let me say how happy I am with this aircraft - we have 17 in service in various models. Nicely designed.

I have a question though, can these be carrier-launched?

i'll need 40 tankers and 50 Gunships (with another Bofors in place of the 105) and i will need 20 more "slicks"
all with IFR gear and Chaf/flairs

money wired

How many transports have a bought from you already?

How many transports have a bought from you already?

300

First let me say how happy I am with this aircraft - we have 17 in service in various models. Nicely designed.

I have a question though, can these be carrier-launched?

Carrier-launched? Yes? No?

Sorry FiK: We would not reccomend them for carrier use but it has similar field peformance to C-130 which during trials landed on a carrier succesfully without arrester gear but the idea was dropped in favor of the C-2 Grey Hound.

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I would love to have 500 of these transports, the $$ will be wired upon confirmation... Thanks in Advance!

I need 100 of the aircraft, all with the Air to air Refueling probe and the Chaff and flare system. money will be wired on delivery.

I would love to have 500 of these transports, the $$ will be wired upon confirmation... Thanks in Advance!

This order is too large make it realistic please.

all other orders confirmed.


Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export,
Dictatorship of United Elias

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/united_elias.jpg

:arrow: BUMP

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(BUMP) :roll:

I need 100 of them.

Ill take 100 with chaff and air reluelin probes as well as 10 refuelers.

thank you Bisons we'll discount to
$4.8 Billion as it is a big order.

We were planning on getting this many... can we get them at this price?

Thanks a bunch. :D

I'll take 195 EA-80A's with Air to Air Re. Probe, and 5 gunships with Air to Air Re. Probe.
930 million wired on confirmation.

Grand Elder of Hontah.

150x EA-80A with air-air refuel/flare and chaff
80x EA-80B with flare and chaff

120x EA-80C with air-air refuel/flare and chaff
Money wired

Hagersville is greatly interested in purchasing 45 EA-80 EA-80s' telegram me for total and recieval date Thanks

*ahem*

money wired btw

10 ea 80a with flare mounts and refuling
10 ea 80c with flare and refuling

*wires money*

Sorry for the delay everybody, but all orders are now confirmed thank you for choosing the Elias Aerospace Corporation.

100 with the Flare dispensers

money wired

confirmed. It sounds lik you're about to invade someone, so i hope they peform well :lol:

-no comment-

Money wired. Thx!

thank you, come again.

bump

i will take 4 of the EA-80C gunship versions

*money wired*

confirmed.

Bump.

I'll take ten for the deal you gave me.
Im feeling generous so I'll give you 50% off on up to ten EA-80 tactical transports

***Money wired on confirmation***

confirmed.

We need 12 EA-80A w/flare/chaff despensers
564 million

money wired

confirmed.

Hey, UE, sorry to sidetrack, but I can't find your joint An-124/225 thread. Hopefully it still exists, but it's not showing up on a search. Do you have the link written down somewhere?

Thanks.

Hey, UE, sorry to sidetrack, but I can't find your joint An-124/225 thread. Hopefully it still exists, but it's not showing up on a search. Do you have the link written down somewhere?

Thanks.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64942&start=0

Thank you, Omz!

How'd you find it?

Thank you, Omz!

How'd you find it?
No problem.

Do a post search on United Elias, and go to page 4 or something.

Elias, I do believe I'm becoming a regular customer. Anyway, I asked for only the production rights of a troop transport with paradrop, how much is the EA-80's? We will only use it for military purposes.

OOC:

Too rich for my blood, probably. If you base how many you produce in a month and multiply it by the cost.

The Federation of Eternal FIame would like to purchase:

25 EA-80C gunship version with flare/chaff dispenser and air-to-air refueling probe at $59.5million a piece ( $1,487,500,000)
100 EA-80A with flare/chaff dispenser and air-to-air refueling probe at $49.5million a piece ( $4,950,000,000 )
Total:
$6,437,500,000

Money will be wired upon confirmation

Confirmed orders. production rights would be 6 billion.

Accepted, Elias. Money is wired.

OOC:

:roll:

Knew it. That's a little less than my allocated funds, even if I did put in more money into the military budget. Oh well, I'm out of the customer list for the while.

UE, check Cargo Contract thread.

money well spent though. :D

10 Tankers and 20 Gunships please

confirmed.

*Money Wired*

Greetings from the great nation of Penguin Troopers!

Our order is as follows:

15 "normal" EA-80A's with Flare/Chaff dispensers (705,000,000)
10 EA-80B Tanker's with Flare/Chaff dispensers (530,000,000)
50 EA-80C Gunship's with Flare/Chaff dispensers (2,950,000,000)

Total: 4,185,000,000

Upon confirmation the money will be wired.

Thank you!
-Grand Dictator Zoasam
The Dictatorship of Penguin Troopers

I'll take one of the transport ones with the flare dispenser, telegram me with the total

The Holy Republic of Eredron is interested in purchasing the following:

2 EA-80 Transport Planes

3 EA-80B (Tanker Version)

All equipped with Air to Air Refuelling Probe.

We also would like to discuss the possibility of purchasing the plans, technical readouts, and all information relating to this, necessary for production of this plane. (OOC: Not for commercial use)

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All Orders are Confirmed, Production Rights are not available at this time.




Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export,
Dictatorship of United Elias

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We take 5 EA-80A

Is it possible to have them fitted out with weapons, like an AC-130H/U Hercules 'Spectre' Gunship? Will you be developing this in the future, or can they only be used for cargo?

Is it possible to have them fitted out with weapons, like an AC-130H/U Hercules 'Spectre' Gunship? Will you be developing this in the future, or can they only be used for cargo?

If youd bother to read it, the 'C' version is a gunship.

Pics added

Bump

We order 5 of each types.
money is wired when order is confirmed.

Confirmed.

And we order 15 of Air to Air Refuelling Probe

Our government orders 10 EA-80A, money will be wired upon confirmation.


The Minister of Defense,

Josias Caneco Jr.

Confirmed.

How many will 10 bil buy? :shock:

=214 'A' versions with refuelling probes and a small discount.

Money wired.

Buckaro defence aliance for rapid movement would like to order 25 normal Planes
Could i have a discount please?
Money wired on confermation.
We are also interested, in due course, to buy production rights.
TG me if possible.

I would like to know how many planes I would need to transport 10 average sized tanks.

id like to order 500 normal ones.money wired on confermation

Confirmed.

Money wired.

I would like to know how many planes I would need to transport 10 average sized tanks.

well none really because they cant carry full size tanks please look at these aircraft:

Upgraded An-124/An-225 Strategic Transport Aircraft (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64942&highlight=)

id like to order 500 normal ones.money wired on confermation

Too many sorry please reduce your order.

Order:16 EA-80A

Confirmed Thank you.

^money wired^

How much will it cost to get off the ground... we are currently running a Russian Antonov AN-124-100 Cargo Plane. It is the worlds largest cargo pane we use the planes a lot for foreign deals and training.

Wen need 200 of the C version.

Wen need 200 of the C version.

That order is confirmed, damn well won't mess with you, now. :wink:

version added.

How much will it cost to get off the ground... We use the planes a lot for foreign deals and training usually we parachute anything in but when we are buying stuff we ned to land to exchange the money. This costs the person we are landing in money.

How much will it cost to get off the ground... We use the planes a lot for foreign deals and training usually we parachute anything in but when we are buying stuff we ned to land to exchange the money. This costs the person we are landing in money.

Im sorry I dont quite undertsand what your asking?

How much will it cost to take off. For example.

When I launch my current cargo plane (it is the biggest type in the world but its bloody expensive)

I have to pay for fuel, crew, food, waste disposal and many more things. JUst getting a search and rescue helicopter off the ground costs around about £1000

It is estimated that an average per hour flying time costs approximately $6,500

Very nice... we would like to purchase two of the main ones.

We would also ask... would you be able to instal another door. SO we have the main crago loading bay at the back but also have a door on the bottom so we can fill the hold with small bombs and 'carpet bomb' the enemy by dropping hundreds of small bombs on them.

Very nice... we would like to purchase two of the main ones.

We would also ask... would you be able to instal another door. SO we have the main crago loading bay at the back but also have a door on the bottom so we can fill the hold with small bombs and 'carpet bomb' the enemy by dropping hundreds of small bombs on them.
you could just use the rear ramp to throw stuff out, and the load moving conveyors would push them out for you.

I forgot to add... the drop system also has a set of racks which have the bombs laid on you usually have about 12 racks. The racks fall out of the bottom one by one (there attached to the other side of the plane.) Dropping the bombs with more accuracy than normal chucking out the back. Then a hydraulic lift pulls the racks back up.

I forgot to add... the drop system also has a set of racks which have the bombs laid on you usually have about 12 racks. The racks fall out of the bottom one by one (there attached to the other side of the plane.) Dropping the bombs with more accuracy than normal chucking out the back. Then a hydraulic lift pulls the racks back up.

Obviously the modifications you request will cost money and before we process your order we will require 345,000 deposit to design the door system.

Then we require a 10% deposit of the 48 million which will be the unit cost of each of the EA-80AKZ special orders multiplied by the number of aircraft you intend to order.

Providing you order two aircraft this would mean that the total cost for the modification to EA-80AKZ standard will be 4.345 million.

This brings the the total of the aquisition to 96.345 million.



Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export,
Federal Dictatorship of United Elias

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1 Paratrooper version
1 Gunship version

Elias, you're beautiful.

330 EA-80D's please.

Money wired.

Elias, you're beautiful.



I get that a lot :wink:

Anyway order confirmed and we hope your EA-80s continue to serve you well after all your nation commisioned the design in the first place.




Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export,
Federal Dictatorship of United Elias

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*Money Wired*

Thanks

Confirmed... we thank you for this and will buy 2 of the standard and one with the bomb dopping facility.

Feel free to sell this as another version. Will the bomb system be removable so we can use it to drop cargo out the bottom.

That is confirmed so:

2x EA-80A Transport version
= 92 million.

1x EA-80AKZ
=4.345 R&D costs

=48 million

Total
_________
144.345

The bomb systems is removable and when the bomb doors in the floor of the cabin are shut it can used as a transport version as per normal.

Hmmm... before we drop our pilots in with the money. Could you fit the bomb system in the two others aswell. Maybe at a discounted rate.

Hmmm... before we drop our pilots in with the money. Could you fit the bomb system in the two others aswell. Maybe at a discounted rate.

The Other Two aircraft can be converted to 'KZ' standard for 1.8 million each. This is the lowest price we could offer.

New Total
_________
147.95

Thank you... our pilots will parachute onto your airfield in 5 hours with the money. Please lower your air defences.

you could always wire the money, if you lack this technology we reccomend you purchase some form of computer system in the near future.

you could always wire the money, if you lack this technology we reccomend you purchase some form of computer system in the near future.

OOC: Never insult me like that!!! Wiring money is stupid and defeats the whole point of NS 'ROLEPLAY'.

OOC: Never insult me like that!!! Wiring money is stupid and defeats the whole point of NS 'ROLEPLAY'.

Thats how nations actually do send money by wire transfter, not by hand delivered cash. In fact the idea of hand deliveyr is completely unrealistic not to mention unfeasible.

Yes but even if you want to wire money roleplay it. Its much more fun.

And no we don't have th computer technology we're spending lots on defence.

25X EA-80A

Total: $1,150,000,000

Money wired upon confirmation.

Orders Confirmed Thank you.

Order: 20 EA-80A with all stuff

Confirmed, Thank you.

bump.

LRR would like to purchase 100 EA-80s.

75 tatical transport
25 tanker

confirmed, thank you.

Order:60 standard versions
10 tanker versions
5 gunship versions.
All with all counter measures.
Money will be wired when order is confirmed.

Confirmed, thank you very much.

In the context of a limited revamping and reorganisation of the Imperial Patruan Air Force and impressed with the performance and capabilities of the EA-80A's already operational in our glorious Imperial Armed Forces, we'd like to order the following:

21 EA-80A Standard versions
9 EA-80B Tanker versions
8 EA-80D Psychological Warfare versions

*Money wired*

Patrua your order of further aircraft is pleasing but we have a deal to propose, which will hopefully be mutually beneficial and we will telegram with details of this.

NDF will order two EA-80B tanker/transports with chaff/flare dispensers.

106 million $ auto-wired on confirmation.

Thank you.

[code:1:a2fb99f0ba]Aviation Order Form
United Communist States of Zvarinograd

Item: EA-80D Psychological Warfare Version
Quantity: 1,000
Subtotal: $64,000,000,000 USD

Total: $64,000,000,000 USD

Money is wired with this message.

Regards,
General Ivan Tratsky (Military ID: 0001-1244)
Airforce of the United Communist States of Zvarinograd[/code:1:a2fb99f0ba]

Patrua your order of further aircraft is pleasing but we have a deal to propose, which will hopefully be mutually beneficial and we will telegram with details of this.

We eagerly await your proposal. Knowing the Elias expertise in aircraft industry, this probably will be worthwhile :)

300 each of the C and D versions (psycho and gunship)

$19.2 billion wired; funds will be payed by Chinese Army (my puppet)

Order:20 EA-80A
10 EA-80B
6 EA-80C
Money will be wired when order is confirmed.

Orders confirmed, thank you.

We'll take 200 of these, each with the Chaff/Flare Despensor.

That comes to a total of 9,400,000,000, although we were hoping to get a slight discount since we're buying in bulk :wink:

The Republic of Danmarc is interested in purchasing 80 EA 80A with Flare/chaff dispensers $47 million each, and 10 EA-80-B Tankers at $52 million each.

*wires $4,280,000,000*

Awaiting your confirmation.

All orders confirmed, thank you.

We wish to order:

300 EA-80A Standard Transports

250 EA-80B Tanker/Transports

250 EA-80C Gunships

200 EA-80D Psychos

Once we have received message that you have received our order, we will send payment asap. Thank you :D

Confirmed, thank you.

Is it possible to get production rights to all versions except D?

The EA-80 Transport Plane was developed to fulfill a requirement from the Elias Air Force and the Commonwealth of Severesky. In Elias Service it replaces An-12 and C-130 Types. So far it has proved itself as a remarkably capable aircraft and exteremely economical to operate, forming the back bone of Air Force Strategic Mobility

The aircraft which is slightly larger than a C-130J is designed to be flexible and is an extremely capable aircraft that offers the perfect balance of payload, performance, short field capability and cost effectiveness. The design makes extensive use of composite materials. The capability for short soft field landing and take off is part of the requirement and the aircraft has six-wheel high flotation main landing gear. The need for airdrops and tactical flight requires good low airspeed flight and the aircraft also has long range and high cruise speed for rapid and flexible deployment.

As it can either be used as a strategic or a tactical transport there is no need to operate different sets of planes for different roles.


Features

The cockpit is fully night-vision compatible and provides accommodation for two pilots and an additional crew member for special mission equipment operation. It is fitted with a fly-by-wire flight control system. The flight deck is fitted with five multifunction displays and two head-up displays. The throttle controls are placed centrally between the two pilot stations.


The cargo compartment can be configured for cargo, vehicle or troop transport or air drop, a combination of these and for aero-medical evacuation. A single loadmaster is able to reconfigure the cargo compartment for different roles either in flight or on the ground. A powered crane installed in the ceiling area of the rear section of the fuselage has a five-ton capacity for loading from the ground and for cross-loading. The rear opening door has full compartment cross-section to allow axial load movement, roll-on and roll-off loading and for the air drop of large loads. The cargo bay can transport up to nine standard military pallets (2.23m x 2.74m), including two on the ramp, along with 58 troops seated along the sides or up to 120 fully equipped troops seated in four rows. For Medevac, it can carry up to 66 stretchers and ten medical personnel. Alternatively it can carry up to 2 light helicopters or a single medium helicopter, 5 HMMWVs, a patriot missile system or three LAVs such as Stryker.


The defensive aids suite includes a radar warner, missile launch and approach warner, and chaff and flare decoy dispensers (optional). The aircraft also has armour plating crew protection, bullet-proof windscreens, engine exhaust treatment for infrared emission reduction and inert gas explosion retardation and fire retardation in the fuel systems. The wings have hardpoints for the installation of electronic warfare pods.


Specifications of EA-80A:

Powerplants: Four EPE-3 Turboprops each producing 6,950shp of thrust each.

Crew: 2 pilots, one loadmaster

Payloads: 53,000lb of equipment/freight
or 120 fully equipped troops.
More infomraton available above.

Performance:
Max Range: Empty: 4100nm
Max Range: Max Payload: 2850nm
Max Speed: Max Payload: 350Kts
Cruise Speed: 300Kts

Dimensions
Length 42.2m
Height 14.7m
Wingspan 42.4m

Minimum Runway lengths: (approximate)
Take Off: 3651ft
landing: 2480ft

Versions:

EA-80A Standard Transport Version : 46 million


-EA-80B Tanker/Transport version, same as EA-80A excepts acts as a refuelling tanker for aircraft and helicopters, can be converted to A standard within two hours. 52 million

Equipped with a removable gallon stainless steel fuel tank that is carried inside the cargo compartment providing additional fuel when required. The two wing-mounted hose and drogue refueling pods each transfer up to 300 gallons per minute to two aircraft simultaneously allowing for rapid cycle times of multiple-receiver aircraft formations (a typical tanker formation of four aircraft in less than 30 minutes).

EA-80C gunship version, same as EA-80A with following exceptions: 58 million

Armament: two 20 mm Vulcan cannons with 4000 rounds, one 40mm Bofors cannon with 256 rounds and one 105mm howitzer with 100 rounds.
All weapons are infrared/radar/GPS guided.

Requires 8 additional crew: electronic warfare officer; 7 enlisted (flight engineer, All Light Level TV operator, infrared- detection set operator, four airborne gunners )

EA-80D Psychological Warfare Version, same as EA-80A with following exceptions: 64 million.

Capability to control the electronic spectrum of radio, television, and military communication bands in a focused area, the aircraft can prepare the battlefield through psychological operations and civil affairs broadcasts. These planes provide broadcasting capabilities primarily for psychological operations missions; support disaster relief operations; and perform communications jamming in military spectrum and intelligence gathering. One blade antenna is under each wing with a third extending forward from the vertical fin. A retractable wire antenna is released from tail, with a second extending from the belly and held vertical by a 500 pound weight.

Options (apply to all versions)
Air to Air Refuelling Probe: +0.3million
Flare/Chaff dispensers: +1.0million




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Having saved our nickels and dimes (lol), we have room in our budget for quite a few of these-20 base models, 2 tankers.

10x EA-80B Tankers: $520 M

Money will be wired.

Orders Confirmed, thank you.

United Elias, here is the payment for the orders that my nation has placed for the different versions of the EA-80, this includes chaff/flare dispensers and air-to-air refueling probes. Here is a revised order:

100 EA-80A x 47.3 mil= 473 mil

75 EA-80B x 53 mil= 397.5 mil

100 EA-80C x 59.3 mil= 593 mil

50 EA-80D x 65.3 mil= 326.5 mil

Total: 1.79 billion dollars

The money has been wired and sent.

United Elias, here is the payment for the orders that my nation has placed for the different versions of the EA-80, this includes chaff/flare dispensers and air-to-air refueling probes. Here is a revised order:

100 EA-80A x 47.3 mil= 473 mil

75 EA-80B x 53 mil= 397.5 mil

100 EA-80C x 59.3 mil= 593 mil

50 EA-80D x 65.3 mil= 326.5 mil

Total: 1.79 billion dollars

The money has been wired and sent.

Thank you very much for this order, the Elias Aeropsace Coporation and other Elias defence industries look forward to further dealings with your nation.

My country would like to order 4 EA-80B's This includes chaff/flare dipensers
Total: 4x53 mil = 212 mil
Money will be wired
Thank you

BUMP

BUMP

BUMP

200 EA-80A - 9.200 Billion
100 EA-80A - 5.200 Billion

14.4 Billion Total *wired*

I'll take 1 EA-80C

58 million will be wired automatically upon confirmation

Confirmed, thank you.

Is it possible to get production rights to all versions except D?

Is it possible to get production rights to all versions except D?

We'd rather you bought outright first.

Kazakhstania has long looked for an Aircraft Capable of bridging the gap between our Workhorse, the Hauler and the huge KN-12 Transporter. A large gap was found, and neither the trusty C-130 or its russian counterparts could fill the gap, even with their latest upgrades.

Being in huge need of such an aircraft for a huge variety of goals, we have searched a long way for an aircraft suitable for such a job. Your EA-80A version fills the bill perfectly, as it is a much further upgraded version than many other aircraft. The C-130 is very capable, but your EA-80 trancedes it in every possible way.

We therefore wich to fill in a contract for you. We require of you:

The selling of thirty (30) EA-80A versions.
The spare parts for these aircraft for 40 Years (120 RL days), starting in 1 year (3 RL days).
Production rights and plans when 43 years (129 RL days)

We wish a price for this contract, please can you enform our country as soon as possible.

Signed:

Marcus Olson
Minister of Defense

Joan Marcusson
Minister of Export and Inport

Micheal Frenz
Prime Minister of Kazakhstania

OOC:

UE, can you reply to the contract?

OOC:

UE, confirm my order damn it!

sorry.

Kazakhstania has long looked for an Aircraft Capable of bridging the gap between our Workhorse, the Hauler and the huge KN-12 Transporter. A large gap was found, and neither the trusty C-130 or its russian counterparts could fill the gap, even with their latest upgrades.

Being in huge need of such an aircraft for a huge variety of goals, we have searched a long way for an aircraft suitable for such a job. Your EA-80A version fills the bill perfectly, as it is a much further upgraded version than many other aircraft. The C-130 is very capable, but your EA-80 trancedes it in every possible way.

We therefore wich to fill in a contract for you. We require of you:

The selling of thirty (30) EA-80A versions.
The spare parts for these aircraft for 40 Years (120 RL days), starting in 1 year (3 RL days).
Production rights and plans when 43 years (129 RL days)

We wish a price for this contract, please can you enform our country as soon as possible.

Signed:

Marcus Olson
Minister of Defense

Joan Marcusson
Minister of Export and Inport

Micheal Frenz
Prime Minister of Kazakhstania

Thank you very much for selecting our excellent airframe for your requirements and we are sure that this decision will prove to be most rewarding. As far as pricing is concerned we believe that the requested airframes and service packages would total 1,580 million and we hope this is satisfactory. The EA-80 is higher priced than our competitotrs but as you have noted, this is more than compensated for by the quality of construction and the features of the aircraft.



Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export,
Federal Dictatorship of United Elias

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We have noticed this, but the EA-80 is of the highest quality we have noted while searching for a capable project. The money wil be sent immediately, and we hope the first batch of your superb aircraft arrive soon.

We have noticed this, but the EA-80 is of the highest quality we have noted while searching for a capable project. The money wil be sent immediately, and we hope the first batch of your superb aircraft arrive soon.

The aircraft will be delivered in three batches each consisting of ten units. The first batch will be delivered in 2 days (RL) with the second and third batches arriving in two day intervals (RL). The first delivery flights will also be carrying two EA-80 simulators and the necessary training equipment so that your transporters can become operational as soon as possible. The price of this is included in the package we have already agreed.



Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export,
Federal Dictatorship of United Elias

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Order:EA-80A
Money wired when order confirmed.

20 of planes of the second option. Money wired ->

Not Confirmed, I'm not selling to you HP.

Sarzonia would like to order 100 of each sub-class (EA-80A, B, C, and D variants). The total for this order comes to $22 billion.

Money will be wired upon confirmation.

Thank you for your consideration.

Terrence A. Wilson
Vice President for Defense
Incorporated States of Sarzonia

Confirmed, although we would ask you to reconisder whether you would need 100 Propaganda Aircaft, considering the US has only 12 and we operate just 24.

Confirmed, although we would ask you to reconisder whether you would need 100 Propaganda Aircaft, considering the US has only 12 and we operate just 24.

[OOC: The U.S. has only 12? Hmm... I would figure jamming enemy transmissions a bit more of a priority. That's what I was going for with the purchase.

You can reduce the propaganda aircraft number to 15 and the order for that class to $960 million. That reduces the total order to $16.56 billion.

Confirmed, although we would ask you to reconisder whether you would need 100 Propaganda Aircaft, considering the US has only 12 and we operate just 24.

[OOC: The U.S. has only 12? Hmm... I would figure jamming enemy transmissions a bit more of a priority. That's what I was going for with the purchase.

You can reduce the propaganda aircraft number to 15 and the order for that class to $960 million. That reduces the total order to $16.56 billion.

Yes but you really don't need that many to cover a large area, they're rather good like that. They can be used for SIGINT as well but we do offer a better platform for that task, if your interested, look HERE (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=87858&highlight=).

Anyhow, order confirmed.

*EA-80E added*

The ASAF has expressed its interest in the EA-80E, because we searched for a replacement of the EC-130H quite a while, and this new version of the EA-80, which has proven one be one the most reliable aircraft in Al-Sabirian service, would be an excellent replacement. Therefore we would like to procure 18 EA-80Es, of course all with refueling probe and chaff/flare dispensers. The total ($1,607,400,000) will be wired to your account upon confirmation.

The Scandinavian People's Air Force requests to purchase 5 EA-80A standard transport configurations, 1 Tanker/Transport variant and 4 EA-80C Gunships. Please contact us soon.

Regards,
1st. Luft Kommisær Søren Schaltz.

Orders Confirmed, thank you.

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The Aequatian Republic is interested in a contract for the following:

1. 50 EA-80A Transport Aircraft with Air-to-Air Fuel Probes, Receptacles and Flare and Chaff Dispensers. 2,300 + 80

2. 16 EA-80B Tanker Aircraft with Flare and Chaff Dispensers. 848

3. 18 EA-80C Gunship Aircraft with Air-to-Air Fuel Probes, Receptacles and Flare and Chaff Dispensers. 1,044 + 28.8

Total: 4.3008 billion

Funds will be transfered once we are informed that the order can be filled.

Thank you for your interest in this product and we are willing and able to fulfill this order in a timely and efficient fashion.

The delivery arrangements will be as follows:

Batch 1 (in 2 Days RL): 14 EA-80A aircraft, 4 EA-80 simulators, all training manuals and documentation

Batch 2 (in 4 Days RL): 18 EA-80A Aircraft, 3 additonal simulators

Batch 3 (in 5 Days RL): 18 EA-80A Aircraft, 8 EA-80B Aircraft

Batch 4 (in 6 RL days):8 EA-80B Aircraft, 10 EA-80C aircraft

Batch 5 (in 7 RL days): 8 EA-80C aircraft.

In addition we will also include a standard spares package designed to last eight years, thereafter spares can be purchased on an individual basis.

We hope these arrangements are satisfactory and thank you for choosing Elias Aerospace.

Sincerely,
Minister of Defence Procurement and Export,
Federal Dictatorship of United Elias

Thank you for your interest in this product and we are willing and able to fulfill this order in a timely and efficient fashion.

The delivery arrangements will be as follows:

Batch 1 (in 2 Days RL): 14 EA-80A aircraft, 4 EA-80 simulators, all training manuals and documentation

Batch 2 (in 4 Days RL): 18 EA-80A Aircraft, 3 additonal simulators

Batch 3 (in 5 Days RL): 18 EA-80A Aircraft, 8 EA-80B Aircraft

Batch 4 (in 6 RL days):8 EA-80B Aircraft, 10 EA-80C aircraft

Batch 5 (in 7 RL days): 8 EA-80C aircraft.

In addition we will also include a standard spares package designed to last eight years, thereafter spares can be purchased on an individual basis.

We hope these arrangements are satisfactory and thank you for choosing Elias Aerospace.

Sincerely,
Minister of Defence Procurement and Export,
Federal Dictatorship of United Elias

Excellent, funds have been transfered, we shall begin training of our aircrews as soon as the simulators arrive.

bump.

With the ASAF forming up four new Airborne Jamming Wings, the need for eighty-eight new EA-80Es arises. While this might seem an insane amount of jamming aircraft, electronic warfare aircraft are considered force-multipliers in Al-Sabir and are invaluable to the current doctrine. This and the disturbingly high attrition rates of capital aircraft in the last few years, leaves us no choice but to procure 88 EA-80Es, all equiped with chaff/flare dispensers and air-to-air refueling probes.

The same story goes for the EA-80D, but for this, the attrition rates are the most important factor that led us to deciding the procurement of sixteen EA-80Ds, again with chaff/flare dispensers and air-to-air refueling probes.

As an extra, twenty-four EA-80 simulators are desired, as well as spare parts packages for fifteen years for the above procurements.

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[OOC: I hope you don't mind me posting this here, but it makes things a bit easier for me]

The ASN has taken particular interest in the new modification of the Kiev Class Light Aircraft Carrier and would like to reward United Elias with a two year contract for converting four of our standard Kiev Aircraft Carriers to this new version. The ASN will immediately send these four Kiev Carriers over to Elias drydocks and expects completion of all four vessels within two years. Should this be not sufficient time to complete all four, we will gladly offer a bonus of $200,000,000 as "encouragement funds".

We fully understand your reasons for ordering additional electronic warfare aircraft and will, as per usual, meet this order in a timely and efficient fashion. However we are curious as to the cause of the high attrition rates, after all the Elias Air Force has experienced an extremely low non-combat attrition rate with the EA-80, almost half of that of the An-12 Transport Aircraft and Tu-22P Jamming Aircraft which they replace (which were rather accident prone). If you would agree to it, Elias Aerospace could send technical representatives to inspect maintenance, training and operational procedures to try and rectify any problems that may exist.

Given the additional funds on offer, we feel safe in promising that the desired completion deadlines for the conversion of four Kiev vessels can indeed be met and we thank you for contracting the Elias Marine Corporation. Our Navy has found that the conversion of Kiev class vessels to STOBAR standard is a significant capability multiplier, giving a true force projection role to an otherwise rather limited type.

Sincerely,
Minister of Defence Procurement and Export,
Federal Dictatorship of United Elias


OOC: We've released the EA-150 if your interested, given we've just upgraded your Mig-21s I doubt it, but anyway here's a link:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=347735

Being lazy and unreliable :headbang: I have yet to complete the upgrade package for your B-2s or even the EA-220, however the later should be finished shortly after I return from holiday next week.

We would like to order the following:

10 x Psych Warfare + chaff
10 x Elec. Warfare + chaff

Total = $1.54 Billion

Money will be wired upon confirmation of order.

We fully understand your reasons for ordering additional electronic warfare aircraft and will, as per usual, meet this order in a timely and efficient fashion. However we are curious as to the cause of the high attrition rates, after all the Elias Air Force has experienced an extremely low non-combat attrition rate with the EA-80, almost half of that of the An-12 Transport Aircraft and Tu-22P Jamming Aircraft which they replace (which were rather accident prone). If you would agree to it, Elias Aerospace could send technical representatives to inspect maintenance, training and operational procedures to try and rectify any problems that may exist.

Given the additional funds on offer, we feel safe in promising that the desired completion deadlines for the conversion of four Kiev vessels can indeed be met and we thank you for contracting the Elias Marine Corporation. Our Navy has found that the conversion of Kiev class vessels to STOBAR standard is a significant capability multiplier, giving a true force projection role to an otherwise rather limited type.

Sincerely,
Minister of Defence Procurement and Export,
Federal Dictatorship of United Elias


OOC: We've released the EA-150 if your interested, given we've just upgraded your Mig-21s I doubt it, but anyway here's a link:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=347735

Being lazy and unreliable :headbang: I have yet to complete the upgrade package for your B-2s or even the EA-220, however the later should be finished shortly after I return from holiday next week.


IC: High attrition rates just comes with the imcompetent f*ckers who leaded the ASAF a short time ago, guiding the flow of money allocated for training of capital aircraft partly into their own pockets. Shameful, but we have of course executed the ones responsable for this tragedy and we hope this will never happen again in the future. Elias representatives would be more than welcome of course to help us get properly funded training schedules back on track, as well as necessary maintenance and operational procedures.

Further we've watched the development of the EA-150A with some interest, but since we have already a variety of fine light multirole combat aircrafts, so we decided not to order a significant amount of this type, for the forseeable future of course, as when the MiG-21UE-AS (or F-21UE-AS in our designation) should wear completely out (or prove to be insufficient for the current role of Reserve and National Guard forces), we will gladly procure a number of aircraft. For now, the ASN would be interested in a limited number of EA-148Cs, as good carrier training aircraft are scarce. Thirty-six T-148Cs should cost $864,000,000.00 and this amount is already wired.

OOC: Shame on you :P. I thought, I'm off for four weeks, he should've finished it by then, but no. Anyways, take all the time you need.

IC: High attrition rates just comes with the imcompetent f*ckers who leaded the ASAF a short time ago, guiding the flow of money allocated for training of capital aircraft partly into their own pockets. Shameful, but we have of course executed the ones responsable for this tragedy and we hope this will never happen again in the future. Elias representatives would be more than welcome of course to help us get properly funded training schedules back on track, as well as necessary maintenance and operational procedures.

Further we've watched the development of the EA-150A with some interest, but since we have already a variety of fine light multirole combat aircrafts, so we decided not to order a significant amount of this type, for the forseeable future of course, as when the MiG-21UE-AS (or F-21UE-AS in our designation) should wear completely out (or prove to be insufficient for the current role of Reserve and National Guard forces), we will gladly procure a number of aircraft. For now, the ASN would be interested in a limited number of EA-148Cs, as good carrier training aircraft are scarce. Thirty-six T-148Cs should cost $864,000,000.00 and this amount is already wired.

OOC: Shame on you :P. I thought, I'm off for four weeks, he should've finished it by then, but no. Anyways, take all the time you need.

The order for EA-148Cs is confirmed, thank you for your order.

OOC: Well I went away as well, anyway I'll try and get on with it.

To: Ministry of Defense Procurement and Export, The Federal Dictatorship of United Elias
From: Gal Sharif, Secretary of Defense Procurement, The Arab Republic of Al-Sabir
Subject: EA-80 Tactical Transport Aircraft,

To Whom It May Concern,

First, after the astonishing performance of the first EA-80 airframe in ASAF service five short years ago, the EA-80B is now providing the bulk of our medium airlift force, a task it fulfills with excellent performance and durability. The procurement of production rights for the EA-80B wasn't that suprising, it gave, and still gives the Air Force rapid deployment capabilities, while carrying a phenomenal payload, and still able of landing on small, isolated airfields. Some versions of the EA-80, the C, D and E variants, have proven to be true force multipliers, due to their cost able to be bought in quantity and therefore giving simple brigade commanders the opportunity to use these invaluable assets.

Second, we believe that the EA-80, both rugged and venerable, will serve many more years, but requirements have risen, therefore we desire to be able produce and modify this wonderful aircraft ourselves and we would like to request the procurement of the aircraft's production rights.

Third, as versions of the EA-80 have served as replacements for the range of special-mission C-130s, the Compass Call, the Spooky, the Commando Solo and the KC-130, we wonder if a sixth variant could be designed, to supersede the EC-130J ABCCC II. To be tagged the EA-80F, this type would be employed as an airborne command post.

Regards,

Gal Sharif
Secretary of Defense Procurement
The Arab Republic of Al-Sabir

*bump*

Upon review of your transport aircraft, the Democratic Empire of teh Ninjas wishes to purchase 800 of your aircraft at 46 Million Dollars to replace out old C-141 Starlifers. The total price comes to 36.8 Billion Dollars. The funds will be wired once the order is confirmed. Thank you.

To: Ministry of Defense Procurement and Export, The Federal Dictatorship of United Elias
From: Gal Sharif, Secretary of Defense Procurement, The Arab Republic of Al-Sabir
Subject: EA-80 Tactical Transport Aircraft,

To Whom It May Concern,

First, after the astonishing performance of the first EA-80 airframe in ASAF service five short years ago, the EA-80B is now providing the bulk of our medium airlift force, a task it fulfills with excellent performance and durability. The procurement of production rights for the EA-80B wasn't that suprising, it gave, and still gives the Air Force rapid deployment capabilities, while carrying a phenomenal payload, and still able of landing on small, isolated airfields. Some versions of the EA-80, the C, D and E variants, have proven to be true force multipliers, due to their cost able to be bought in quantity and therefore giving simple brigade commanders the opportunity to use these invaluable assets.

Second, we believe that the EA-80, both rugged and venerable, will serve many more years, but requirements have risen, therefore we desire to be able produce and modify this wonderful aircraft ourselves and we would like to request the procurement of the aircraft's production rights.

Third, as versions of the EA-80 have served as replacements for the range of special-mission C-130s, the Compass Call, the Spooky, the Commando Solo and the KC-130, we wonder if a sixth variant could be designed, to supersede the EC-130J ABCCC II. To be tagged the EA-80F, this type would be employed as an airborne command post.

Regards,

Gal Sharif
Secretary of Defense Procurement
The Arab Republic of Al-Sabir

OOC: Once again, my most pathetic apologies for my lack of NSing of late. I have been extremely busy, and will continue to be for another week or more. After this I can devote more time to NS and will finish my pending upgrades and release some new products, for which I am sure you will wait with bated breath. ;)

Anyway I decided to create some minor internal politics and economic issues in this post, as government's/economies in NS are either in perfect working order or in full scale collapse, when in reality there are always issues of some sort.

IC:

Gal Sharif,
Secretary of Defense Procurement,
The Arab Republic of Al-Sabir

Thank you very much for your praise of and comments regarding the EA-80 and our Air Force would certainly concur with this review. Unfortunately, at the present time, we are actually unable to grant production rights for other versions of the EA-80, which your must understand is an internal issue and not a snub to your government or military for which we have high regard. The reasons for this are that, with the completion of most large Elias Air Force orders and somewhat stagnant foreign sales, Elias Aerospace can no longer afford to outsource its production if it is to keep its production lines open and its workforce fully employed. The government is naturally concerned at the possibiltiy of increased unemployment or the idea that production capacity could not be immediately available if this was necessary in a major conflict circumstance. This combined with the probability that business will improve relatively soon, has meant that the Ministry of Trade has ruled out any major outsourcing for the time being, hopefully forcing foreign governments to order from EA directly, thus keeping the order books as full as possible.

It must be noted that government regulation amounting to economic protectionsim is extremely unusual in United Elias, and has also been offered as part compensation for the cancellation of further EA-100 orders. Unfortunately the twenty-eight EA-100As in service have been deemed to be below requirements by an Air Force Review Board and all subsequent orders have been cancelled. This presents a major problem for EA as some of these airframes have already been partly or even mostly assembled and as the manufactuer was deemed to be at fault for the cancellation, the government has refused to pay anything in compensation. Currently a row is still underway with Elias Aerospace alleging that the review board was pressured into killing the EA-100 by the MoD for budgetary reasons, in which case the Air Force would be liable to fully compensate EA. This disagreement will most likely be settled by a comittee of the Majlis Ash Shura (Pariliamentary Congress) and if it is found in favour of EA, the MoD may decide to go through with the EA-100 procurement bearing in mind the potential cancellation fees which would be owed.

In this regard we wish to know your nations experience and as the only other operator and as the largest operator of the EA-100, expert testimony or evidence to support either side would be extremely useful. Due to the fact that the Elias Air Force's evidence is in deep contention, the Al-Sabrian Air Force's evaluation of the EA-100, with no obvious conflicts of interest may hold the key to the key to the case. We would like to inform you that you have the right to file a suit against EA if you are indeed unsatisfied with the aircraft's performance; depending on the result of the parliamentary inquiry, EA could be obligated to buy back you EA-100s at the purchase price, should a refund be wanted.

As far as your nation is concerned, The Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export has confirmed with EA that the development of the proposed 'F' version is possible, but EA will require a minimum pre-order of twenty airframes, and a down payment of 220,000,000 before starting work.

Sincerely,
Director of Aerospace Department,
Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export

Upon review of your transport aircraft, the Democratic Empire of teh Ninjas wishes to purchase 800 of your aircraft at 46 Million Dollars to replace out old C-141 Starlifers. The total price comes to 36.8 Billion Dollars. The funds will be wired once the order is confirmed. Thank you.

Order confirmed, thank you for choosing Elias Aerospace.

OOC: First, for a few RL reasons I'm not so active myself, so I understand the situation you are in.

Second, as related to your IC post, I know your sales are quite down, as that seems to be the reason of your rejection of my proposal, but maybe, when you have some more time of course, you should promote it a bit, bump a few threads, update some storefront links, stuff like that, as you are hardly known as a storefront owner by a newer batch of players. Some actually quite skillful and will see quality when they are presented to it.

Third, when you are fully back, checking your sales threads would be useful, as I've seen a few unconfirmed orders recently.

Fourth, why don't you sign up on the OMP boards? You are a member after all, and knowing what exactly is going on might be a good idea.

IC:

To: Ministry of Defense Procurement and Export, The Federal Dictatorship of United Elias
From: Gal Sharif, Secretary of Defense Procurement, The Arab Republic of Al-Sabir
Subject: EA-80 Tactical Transport Aircraft

First, we fully understand the situation you are in and we are willing to provide $50 billion USD as foreign aid, to assist EA in these dark fiscal days and to be able to focus on developing more quality products, as it has done so for years.

Second, last years's Armed Forces Independent Review Report has also shown some holes in the military's "cast", and we saw the need for some products developed by Elias arms manufacturers, as orders for additional Leviathan Class SSNs, Cormorant Maritime Patrol Aircraft, landbased EA-220 Stealth Strike Aircraft and Barracuda Corvettes might appear anytime soon.

Third, the EA-100 performed neatly in the technical requirements of the Air Force and the AFIRR involved positive critics regarding both the EA-100 community and the aircraft itself, however, when new Air Force role prerequisites were defined, the aircraft was unable to conduct the Heavy Airlift Role, a role based off the cold war ReForGer exercises where large numbers of personnel were transported to their prepositioned equipment within Allied boundaries to well-equiped airfields, so this eliminated the need for the STOL capabilities of the EA-100. The rather ill troop capacity, the same as the EA-80, of the beforementioned aircraft was found too small and the active squadrons were eliminated in favour of the heavier C-380 multi-mission transport aircraft and the ground effect ULTRA. Only two squadrons of EA-100s remain in service to this day, serving as technology demonstrators, testbeds and for simple airshows and performances alike.

Fourth, the development of the EA-80F would prove extremely beneficial to the communication within our chain of command and therefore a procurement of approximately thirty-six will be made to form two Airborne Control and Command Wings, the necessary prefunds of $220,000,000.00 will be trransferred to account as soon as the order is confirmed.

Regards,

Gal Sharif
Secretary of Defense Procurement
The Arab Republic of Al-Sabir

Gal Sharif,
Secretary of Defense Procurement,
The Arab Republic of Al-Sabir

Thank you very much for the donation to Elias Aerospace, however it is not to be classified as a gift (subsidies to corporations are forbidden) but a loan to be repaid, let us say, in the future.

Due to a mutual lack of defining evidence, the Majis Ash Shura sub-commitee investigating the EA-100 procurement has decided to force a compromise between EA and the Air Force. This means that approximately 50% of the costs for the cancelled airframes will be met by each party. Also as added compensation, the Air Force will order additional EA-160E/F/G upgrade packages to upgrade another 80 or so baseline EA-160B/C/Ds. Unless further export orders are recieved within one month, the EA-100 production line will be closed, with most employees being moved to a new production facility for the EA-80F.

As for the EA-80F itself, the design work has begun and equipment selection will soon be complete. After that, the various components will be tested in EA-80 testbeds and then a full scale prototype will be assembled. After extensive testing, the new model will be placed into production. In total deliveries can be expected within three weeks (RL).

Sincerely,
Director of Aerospace Department,
Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export