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WASHINGTON - Former Vice President Dick Cheney said Monday he supports gays being able to marry but believes states, not the federal government, should make the decision.

"I think, you know, freedom means freedom for everyone," Cheney said in a speech at the National Press Club. "I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish, any kind of arrangement they wish."

Cheney, who has a gay daughter, said marriage has always been a state issue.

"And I think that's the way it ought to be handled today, that is, on a state-by-state basis. Different states will make different decisions. But I don't have any problem with that. I think people ought to get a shot at that," he said.



Well, this is interesting. Not that I'm entirely surprised - having a gay daughter has to affect his stance.

That and we should have seeing it coming when he accidentally unloaded a blast in his best friend's face during a hunting trip.

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That and we should have seeing it coming when he accidentally unloaded a blast in his best friend's face during a hunting trip.

I thought that was an attempt to improve his popularity by shooting a lawyer.

Interesting to say the least. I can see the general Libertarian slant that he's put on it, though. Saying it should be alright for a state to have a separate stance kind of puts a dent in his support, in my opinion. Then again, maybe he's primarily doing this for his daughter and because Obama has gone on record saying he doesn't support it.

I thought that was an attempt to improve his popularity by shooting a lawyer.

Truth is stranger than fiction:

His approval rating went up after that.

Interesting to say the least. I can see the general Libertarian slant that he's put on it, though. Saying it should be alright for a state to have a separate stance kind of puts a dent in his support, in my opinion. Then again, maybe he's primarily doing this for his daughter and because Obama has gone on record saying he doesn't support it.

The second more states approve of gay marriage than ban it, Dickie'll be singing "Defense of Marriage Act" in all likelihood.

I really don't get Cheney sometimes.

The second more states approve of gay marriage than ban it, Dickie'll be singing "Defense of Marriage Act" in all likelihood.I believe its more of a copout at an attempt to "reform" the GOP. If states approving of gay marriage gain the upper hand, he wins based on his support. If states banning gay marriage resurge, he wins on account of supporting their right to discriminate.

I'm sorry, but this claim just feels... fishy.

Interesting to say the least. I can see the general Libertarian slant that he's put on it, though.

How is, "The government should decide" a Libertarian slant?

Saying it is up to the states is still saying it is up to the government - and allowing for a lack of equal protection.

I believe its more of a copout at an attempt to "reform" the GOP. If states approving of gay marriage gain the upper hand, he wins based on his support. If states banning gay marriage resurge, he wins on account of supporting their right to discriminate.

Dick hedging his bets. Sounds like him.

How is, "The government should decide" a Libertarian slant?

Saying it is up to the states is still saying it is up to the government - and allowing for a lack of equal protection.Yeah, but the Paulbots don't know that. Remember, he's trying to convince people that think supporting state dictatorships in favor of a weaker national government makes you freedom-loving. Now that he's no longer part of the most assertive national government in recent history.
Dick hedging his bets. Sounds like him.It's a pretty clever move, really.

Dick hedging his bets. Sounds like him.

Sort of like when I did this to my Hummer.
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In other news, water is now officially dry, bears are not Catholic and the Pope does not shit in the woods.

*head asplodes*

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Don't worry, he only supports letting states decide thus he doesn't really support anything.

Please, Cheney's the kind of guy who'd manipulate a civil war so that he'd come out on top no matter who won. He's like the prequel-Palpatine of our country.

Well, that or he's genuinely capable of feeling love and compassion for his daughter and therefore respects her decisions and existence despite his own moral beliefs.

But come on, which one sounds more likely to you?

Please, Cheney's the kind of guy who'd manipulate a civil war so that he'd come out on top no matter who won. He's like the prequel-Palpatine of our country.

Not to mention a beady-eyed floppy-eared yokel with a speech impediment was somehow elected into office where he could put the true evil in a position to grasp POWER!! UNLIMITED POWER!!

Well, that or he's genuinely capable of feeling love and compassion for his daughter and therefore respects her decisions and existence despite his own moral beliefs.

But come on, which one sounds more likely to you?

If he could get both at the same time, that would still be like Dick.

Cheney supporting gay marriage is clearly a diabolical move to make left-wingers become anti-gay-marriage. Whatever Cheney likes is clearly evil.

Cheney's a plutocrat. I doubt he gives a shit one way or the other. If he really cared he would have had is daughter lobotomized or someshit. Since he didn't, he obviously doesn't.

Guys like Cheney don't give a fuck what the peasantry thinks about anything. He's only saying this to cause trouble most likely.

This should not be particularly surprising. Cheney is a neoconservative. Despite the recent attempts to render it meaningless, it still refers to a specific ideology.

So, we need to kidnap and torture his daughter until she confesses to working for al-Qaeda. Then maybe he'd see a problem with that.

Pah. It's an attempt to get the people who don't live in fear of The Bible coming to life and squishing us all to think "Hey, that Republican dude says he doesn't mind gay marriage, let's vote for them!" He's not having a change of heart, nor does he care anything about his daughter - he's a politican, and he's noticed that people are realising (albiet excrutiatingly slowly) that gays aren't bright green bug eyed monsters sent by Satan to eat your children, and he's using it to his advantadge. I still hate him

So, we need to kidnap and torture his daughter until she confesses to working for al-Qaeda. Then maybe he'd see a problem with that.

I'm sorry? So, gay people fly into buildings (clearly on the part of evil gay opticians who stole the poor straight peoples eyesight and turned them gay) and explode? I mean, I know some gay people are fat, but I've never met one who explodes

I'm not going to get into a debate about whether gay people are going to destroy the world or take it over through dibolical use of fashion, but that statement annoys me in everyway possible. If i've misunderstood you, and you're not a bigot (don't challenge that, there are at least two topics where this has been dissected) err.... have a cookie!

I'm sorry? So, gay people fly into buildings (clearly on the part of evil gay opticians who stole the poor straight peoples eyesight and turned them gay) and explode?

He means that, if that happened, Cheney might reverse his position on arbitrary detainment and torture of suspected terrorists (just as his daughter's homosexuality has led him to adopt a position opposite to his party on same-sex marriage). He's not saying that gays are terrorists.

ah, ok. I thought he meant that if the daughter said she was Al-Qaeda he would see the problem with gay people (Linking them with terrorists, I suppose. AHHH PINK BOMB!!)
Have a cookie!

Cheney's a plutocrat. I doubt he gives a shit one way or the other. If he really cared he would have had is daughter lobotomized or someshit. Since he didn't, he obviously doesn't.

Guys like Cheney don't give a fuck what the peasantry thinks about anything. He's only saying this to cause trouble most likely.

I'd say it's a pretty heavy accusation to level at someone, that they don't love their family. A little uncalled for too, probably.

Don't worry about cheney's shenanigans; nature has a solution. :p

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err.... have a cookie!
Thank you, I will :D

Please, Cheney's the kind of guy who'd manipulate a civil war so that he'd come out on top no matter who won. He's like the prequel-Palpatine of our country.

Well, that or he's genuinely capable of feeling love and compassion for his daughter and therefore respects her decisions and existence despite his own moral beliefs.

But come on, which one sounds more likely to you?

The human mind is a weird place to be, it could be both.

I'm actually leaning towards the "actually loves his daughter" theory.

I'm actually leaning towards the "actually loves his daughter" theory.

Not enough to support universal rights, though...or during his vice presidency.