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Do you get scared by horror films?

Getbrett
28-05-2009, 20:44
I'm somewhat of a horror film aficionado, having seen pretty much all the classics, a fair number of the more modern ones, and quite a lot of Japanese and Korean imports. I've never once been scared by a horror film. Sure, they'll give you a couple of shock jumps, but other than that, they're all weak.

Are you scared by horror films? If so, which films scared you the most?
Jordaxia
28-05-2009, 21:10
No, I've only ever jumped at them. which happens pretty much with all of them because I'm easily scared in that way. But none of them ever actually scared me any more deeply. :(
No true scotsman
28-05-2009, 21:19
Horror films that rely on jumps and shocks tend to bore me.

I like horror films that do something slightly different with the genre, like "The Others" - which subverted many of the major horror conventions.

I also like horror films that rely on an atmosphere, rather than trying forumlaic loud-bit-quiet-bit-BOO! arrangements.

As a consequence, I liked the first Blair Witch film a lot.

I do not have any interest in stuff like Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween, Friday the 13th, or any of those other gross-out or gore horrors. Picking someone up by their veins isn't horror, it's just yuk.

I wouldn't say I get scared by horrors, no - but I do enjoy the atmosphere of things like Blair Witch (as I said), Kairo, Ju-on, etc.
JuNii
28-05-2009, 21:38
I'm somewhat of a horror film aficionado, having seen pretty much all the classics, a fair number of the more modern ones, and quite a lot of Japanese and Korean imports. I've never once been scared by a horror film. Sure, they'll give you a couple of shock jumps, but other than that, they're all weak.

Are you scared by horror films? If so, which films scared you the most?

Horror films (USA) tends to be more on the Gore factor. the horror is not "what is scary" but "what will sicken you".

thus I like the Asian Horror movies. China's "Eye" was above and beyond the US remake. same with "One Missed Call", "Shutter", and even "Pulse" "Juon", "Ringu", "Reincarnation", "Retribution" are far scarier than the latest 'slasher' flick.
JuNii
28-05-2009, 21:39
Horror films that rely on jumps and shocks tend to bore me.

I like horror films that do something slightly different with the genre, like "The Others" - which subverted many of the major horror conventions.

I also like horror films that rely on an atmosphere, rather than trying forumlaic loud-bit-quiet-bit-BOO! arrangements.

As a consequence, I liked the first Blair Witch film a lot.

I do not have any interest in stuff like Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween, Friday the 13th, or any of those other gross-out or gore horrors. Picking someone up by their veins isn't horror, it's just yuk.

I wouldn't say I get scared by horrors, no - but I do enjoy the atmosphere of things like Blair Witch (as I said), Kairo, Ju-on, etc.

while I agree with what you said... I disagree with 'Blair Witch'. but that's because Stupid people deserve what they get. :tongue:
No true scotsman
28-05-2009, 21:52
Horror films (USA) tends to be more on the Gore factor. the horror is not "what is scary" but "what will sicken you".

thus I like the Asian Horror movies. China's "Eye" was above and beyond the US remake. same with "One Missed Call", "Shutter", and even "Pulse" "Juon", "Ringu", "Reincarnation", "Retribution" are far scarier than the latest 'slasher' flick.

Hey, don't give Kairo the 'even Pulse' treatment.

Kairo was literally a completely different movie to the shitty American remake. It's an astounding examples of someone catching what they THINK the 'gimmick' of a movie was, and actually totally missing the POINT.

I certainly agree that "One Mised Call", "Shutter" and "Eye" were much weaker than the originals.
No true scotsman
28-05-2009, 21:53
while I agree with what you said... I disagree with 'Blair Witch'. but that's because Stupid people deserve what they get. :tongue:

:)

I just like the atmosphere. A kind of general... uneasiness.
Caloderia City
28-05-2009, 22:05
When I was a child, Pet Sematary scared the holy bejeezuz out of me.

But not really, no. Aspects of horror movies implant frightening concepts - death, helplessness, loss, shock, pain, terror, darkness etc etc- into your mind. But they reinforce what already scares people. I'm not scared watching the girl walk down the dark and lonely alley at night being stalked by some malevolent and hidden entity. But 3 hours after the movie, drunk and stumbling my way towards home when I suddenly realize I am in a dark and lonely alley...
JuNii
28-05-2009, 22:15
Hey, don't give Kairo the 'even Pulse' treatment.

Kairo was literally a completely different movie to the shitty American remake. It's an astounding examples of someone catching what they THINK the 'gimmick' of a movie was, and actually totally missing the POINT.
agreed. I just couldn't remember the Japanese title. :p

I like the fact that the Western version of Pulse 2 was unique that it took the pov of one of the ghosts. but the movie itself wasn't 'scary'.
I certainly agree that "One Mised Call", "Shutter" and "Eye" were much weaker than the originals.

even Dark Water... I saw the American version first! the Asian version (Honogurai mizu no soko kara) was much... MUCH better. and the ending was more touching than the American Version.
Holy Cheese and Shoes
28-05-2009, 22:15
I have to second eerie Japanese horror as what scares me the most. It's not about shock value; it's about unease, weirdness and vulnerability to the vengeful and unpredictable whims of the supernatural. Ju-on, Ringu and The Ring all made me feel uneasy for weeks after because the imagery was so powerful and they produced a sense of pervasive dread of the inescapable.
JuNii
28-05-2009, 22:23
:)

I just like the atmosphere. A kind of general... uneasiness.

Retribution (Sakebi) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0843302/). that had a general uneasiness to the atmosphere.

Did the cop kill that woman?

Was it the figure he keeps seeing?

or is it something else entirely?
Risottia
28-05-2009, 22:30
I've never once been scared by a horror film. Sure, they'll give you a couple of shock jumps, but other than that, they're all weak.

Most of horror movies are just about gore - which isn't scary at all, just a bit disgusting.

The movies that scared me the most aren't horror movies - I'm just thinking of movies like Clouzot's The Spies, or the first minutes of Bergman's Wild Strawberries, or The Virgin's Spring.
Big Jim P
28-05-2009, 22:30
No, I've never been scared by horror movies, and I've seen quite a few. Then again, there is very little that scares me.
Ring of Isengard
28-05-2009, 22:37
No, I jump, but I'm not really scared.
No true scotsman
28-05-2009, 23:12
agreed. I just couldn't remember the Japanese title. :p

I like the fact that the Western version of Pulse 2 was unique that it took the pov of one of the ghosts. but the movie itself wasn't 'scary'.


even Dark Water... I saw the American version first! the Asian version (Honogurai mizu no soko kara) was much... MUCH better. and the ending was more touching than the American Version.

Indeed, the ending was so good that it turns up at the end of the western version of the second Ring movie. For some reason.
Ifreann
28-05-2009, 23:17
Not so much.
Galloism
28-05-2009, 23:18
Only one thing scares me.

It's not horror films.
Holy Cheese and Shoes
28-05-2009, 23:19
Only one thing scares me.

It's not horror films.

Stop looking in your pants already.

It'll be OK when you get a bit older, don't worry.
Galloism
28-05-2009, 23:21
Stop looking in your pants already.

It'll be OK when you get a bit older, don't worry.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/DrkHelmet/Forum%20Pictures/disaster.jpg

Do not test me, boy.
The Black Forrest
28-05-2009, 23:30
It's funny but only one really scared me as a kid. The movie "them" with the cute giant ants. Don't know why but it did.

I have been creeped out a couple times but most of the time no affect.
Holy Cheese and Shoes
28-05-2009, 23:31
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/DrkHelmet/Forum%20Pictures/disaster.jpg


If overconfidence is my weakness, your faith in your pants is yours.



Do not test me, boy.

C- could try harder
Neesika
28-05-2009, 23:34
Oh I'm terrible...I watched the Ring through latticed fingers at the theatre, and nearly made my brother bleed when we saw Blair Witch Project, from gripping his arm so hard. I suck. I am a total chicken when it comes to movies, even bad horror movies. I can't help it! And yet I always want to know what the gimmick is...thank god for online movie spoilers! A big problem for me is I see something, then obsess for weeks! Ugh.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
29-05-2009, 00:25
No, not really.
SaintB
29-05-2009, 00:28
No, I jump when I hear sudden loud noises but everyone does. Horror films occasionally manage to slightly amuse me with how dumb they are though.
IL Ruffino
29-05-2009, 00:41
I jumped in the movie theater at the beginning of Willard when the mouse trap snapped, but that's not really much about the scaryness. Just caught me by surprise.

I can really get into them though, so there's times when I make sure to look around the room just in case..
Getbrett
29-05-2009, 00:49
So, the general consensus is that horror films do little to evoke horror (beyond, perhaps, body horror or gore-based horror)?

What about literature? I'm afraid I've not read much written horror, so I don't really have an opinion.

A medium that I think suits horror really well is audiobooks. There's a podiobook author called Phil Rossi, who recorded (with an original soundtrack) an audiobook called Crescent Station. It's very atmospheric (and free!). I recommend it highly.
Big Jim P
29-05-2009, 00:52
Only one author has ever managed to scare me: Stephen King. The last line of Pete Semetary gave me a chill, and Salems Lot caused me to have a dream that I awoke from too scared to move.
No true scotsman
29-05-2009, 00:53
Only one author has ever managed to scare me: Stephen King. The last line of Pete Semetary gave me a chill, and Salems Lot caused me to have a dream that I awoke from too scared to move.

The only thing about Stephen King's books that has ever scared me... is that people pay for them.
Conserative Morality
29-05-2009, 00:54
I think Video Games are the new medium for horror. Minus the fact that the two orginal genre makers, RE and Silent Hill are now absolutely shit (Or at least not-scary).
No true scotsman
29-05-2009, 00:58
So, the general consensus is that horror films do little to evoke horror (beyond, perhaps, body horror or gore-based horror)?

What about literature? I'm afraid I've not read much written horror, so I don't really have an opinion.

A medium that I think suits horror really well is audiobooks. There's a podiobook author called Phil Rossi, who recorded (with an original soundtrack) an audiobook called Crescent Station. It's very atmospheric (and free!). I recommend it highly.

Sheri Tepper isn't normally a horror writer, which actually works in her favor as a horror writer. She's written two (Blood Heritage, and The Bones) and they're at least atmospheric, and devoid of many of the usual cliches.
Saige Dragon
29-05-2009, 01:02
I tend to laugh through most horror films. Mainly because they are badly done and the directors/actors/etc... don't actually know it. It's why I like Sam Raimi's Evil Dead films, Peter Jackson's Bad Taste or the stuff by Troma. It's horribly bad and it knows it and flaunts it.
No true scotsman
29-05-2009, 01:04
I think Video Games are the new medium for horror. Minus the fact that the two orginal genre makers, RE and Silent Hill are now absolutely shit (Or at least not-scary).

AVP and F.E.A.R. are both still good, though...
Neesika
29-05-2009, 01:12
Troma is delightful! Plus I did the Tromettes!
Conserative Morality
29-05-2009, 01:16
AVP and F.E.A.R. are both still good, though...

Don't know about AVP, F.E.A.R. still is good, I agree.
Jordaxia
29-05-2009, 01:20
I agree that videogames are a good place for an emerging 'real' horror experience. 99% of them (see AVP) are scary based on 'monsters are currently jumping at me/I am tense and nervous in case monsters jump at me' but they still hold the tension and evoke a mood of fear way better than any movie.
No true scotsman
29-05-2009, 01:29
I agree that videogames are a good place for an emerging 'real' horror experience. 99% of them (see AVP) are scary based on 'monsters are currently jumping at me/I am tense and nervous in case monsters jump at me' but they still hold the tension and evoke a mood of fear way better than any movie.


It wasn't the monsters jumping, per se, that I loved about AvP - it was (as you say) that moment when you walked into a dark winding corridor, the actinic lights at the end flickering on an off, and you knew that this was the perfect storm for bad things to happen.

I happen to think AVP managed the atmosphere just about perfectly. You didn't get aliens suddenly bursting out of nowhere so much (as you do, in, say Halflife)... but appearing in the shadows at the end of a long corridor, and scurrying up the walls and along the ceiling through strobing arcs of light. That desperate backpeddling and trigger hitting might be the closest to 'panic' I've ever been/seen in a video game.

Yeah. I liked AVP :)
SaintB
29-05-2009, 01:35
I agree that videogames are a good place for an emerging 'real' horror experience. 99% of them (see AVP) are scary based on 'monsters are currently jumping at me/I am tense and nervous in case monsters jump at me' but they still hold the tension and evoke a mood of fear way better than any movie.

Nothing scared my brother as bad as Doom 3 with the lights off at midnight during a thunderstorm :D (scared me too)
Jordaxia
29-05-2009, 01:41
It wasn't the monsters jumping, per se, that I loved about AvP - it was (as you say) that moment when you walked into a dark winding corridor, the actinic lights at the end flickering on an off, and you knew that this was the perfect storm for bad things to happen.

I happen to think AVP managed the atmosphere just about perfectly. You didn't get aliens suddenly bursting out of nowhere so much (as you do, in, say Halflife)... but appearing in the shadows at the end of a long corridor, and scurrying up the walls and along the ceiling through strobing arcs of light. That desperate backpeddling and trigger hitting might be the closest to 'panic' I've ever been/seen in a video game.

Yeah. I liked AVP :)

AVP (both of them so far) have been excellent games, and have really carried an atmosphere of tension, but the horror was physical, not psychological. It was very much an action-movie game. Nothing wrong with that though, it done it excellently. In my opinion however, it doesn't stand to the test of time. In my opinion, a truly scary game is System Shock 2. I've never finished it, and I last replayed it a bit over a year ago.
Saige Dragon
29-05-2009, 01:49
Nothing scared my brother as bad as Doom 3 with the lights off at midnight during a thunderstorm :D (scared me too)

I was gonna say, Doom 3 was pretty scary for a video game. I mean, you've got a flashlight and a pistol, but it's dark the hallway is full of demons and you can only use one at once.
Jordaxia
29-05-2009, 01:51
I was gonna say, Doom 3 was pretty scary for a video game. I mean, you've got a flashlight and a pistol, but it's dark the hallway is full of demons and you can only use one at once.


Doom 3 was incredibly under-rated for what it does, because it does being scary really well. Sure there's predictable monster moments, but the lighting, the sounds, the general feeling of 'I really don't want to be here' is excellent. It's not world changing, but there's a lot of doom 3 hate for nothing.
SaintB
29-05-2009, 01:53
I was gonna say, Doom 3 was pretty scary for a video game. I mean, you've got a flashlight and a pistol, but it's dark the hallway is full of demons and you can only use one at once.

Tell you what, I would have never put my shotgun away ever ever again.
Antilon
29-05-2009, 01:57
Nothing scared my brother as bad as Doom 3 with the lights off at midnight during a thunderstorm :D (scared me too)

Scary at first, until I refused to put my flashlight away and bludgeoned countless Imps, zombies and even a Death knight to death. After that, it became a contest to see what else we could kill with a flashlight.
Jordaxia
29-05-2009, 02:00
Scary at first, until I refused to put my flashlight away and bludgeoned countless Imps, zombies and even a Death knight to death. After that, it became a contest to see what else we could kill with a flashlight.
What difficulty? I mean the zombies and imps are easy enough to baton to death, but I don't get scared of simply 'dying' in games like doom 3, I get all tense at the prospect of being -hit-. mainly because most of the enemies find it tough to do so, like the average zombie. so I'd be scared one would jump out and successfully strike me. I don't know why, but it keeps the game scary for me in addition to everything else. :)
Antilon
29-05-2009, 02:07
What difficulty? I mean the zombies and imps are easy enough to baton to death, but I don't get scared of simply 'dying' in games like doom 3, I get all tense at the prospect of being -hit-. mainly because most of the enemies find it tough to do so, like the average zombie. so I'd be scared one would jump out and successfully strike me. I don't know why, but it keeps the game scary for me in addition to everything else. :)

Veteran difficulty, the first time, Nightmare for the rest.

Lol, I do share the your unease at the prospect of getting hit, but usually as a sign of skill. I always try to get through levels with as little damage as possible.
Jordaxia
29-05-2009, 02:12
Veteran difficulty, the first time, Nightmare for the rest.

Lol, I do share the your unease at the prospect of getting hit, but usually as a sign of skill. I always try to get through levels with as little damage as possible.

I just didn't want to sound too self assured of my own skill first, you know? :P Though I don't actually fret if I get hit in most games, because typically it's not that big a deal and I prefer being -very aggressive- which results in being hit fairly regularly. Doom is where I play differently, and very cautiously. Except when I play without sound on because I'm having to listen to someone else. doom loses ALL of its tension without sound.
JuNii
29-05-2009, 02:55
I tend to laugh through most horror films. Mainly because they are badly done and the directors/actors/etc... don't actually know it. It's why I like Sam Raimi's Evil Dead films, Peter Jackson's Bad Taste or the stuff by Troma. It's horribly bad and it knows it and flaunts it.

you want a Horror movie to laugh though? Jack Frost. that is a movie EVERYONE had fun making. probably moreso than Attack of the Killer Tomatos!

I think Video Games are the new medium for horror. Minus the fact that the two orginal genre makers, RE and Silent Hill are now absolutely shit (Or at least not-scary). the original Horror Video game is NOT RE and Silent Hill. but Phantasmagoria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantasmagoria_(computer_game)) a game that still sends chills up my spine.

I was gonna say, Doom 3 was pretty scary for a video game. I mean, you've got a flashlight and a pistol, but it's dark the hallway is full of demons and you can only use one at once.

wimps.

at least in those games YOU GOT A GUN!

Fatal Frame. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_Frame)

you don't have a Gun. your only weapon is a camera...

and you have to first FIND that camera when you start the game! :eek:

after playing it TWICE... I still refuse to play that game after the sun sets. some people I know laugh at my assertations...

then later, they meekly tell me that after their first night of playing... they too refuse to play the game at night or at least they will play it only with every light in the room on.
No true scotsman
29-05-2009, 03:16
you want a Horror movie to laugh though? Jack Frost. that is a movie EVERYONE had fun making. probably moreso than Attack of the Killer Tomatos!

the original Horror Video game is NOT RE and Silent Hill. but Phantasmagoria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantasmagoria_(computer_game)) a game that still sends chills up my spine.



wimps.

at least in those games YOU GOT A GUN!

Fatal Frame. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_Frame)

you don't have a Gun. your only weapon is a camera...

and you have to first FIND that camera when you start the game! :eek:

after playing it TWICE... I still refuse to play that game after the sun sets. some people I know laugh at my assertations...

then later, they meekly tell me that after their first night of playing... they too refuse to play the game at night or at least they will play it only with every light in the room on.

I need to play Fatal Frame.

I've heard the same arguments made about 'F.E.A.R.' - it was good but it wasn't 'you can't play it after dark' scary or anything.
Skama
29-05-2009, 03:21
I agree about horror films and gore being cheap. I like those that are oriented more towards atmosphere. The Descent is one good example, in that case, claustrophobia :)
JuNii
29-05-2009, 03:22
I need to play Fatal Frame.

I've heard the same arguments made about 'F.E.A.R.' - it was good but it wasn't 'you can't play it after dark' scary or anything.

TEMCO invited game reviewers to a hotel where they rented out the top floors. each reviewer was put in one room where the game was set up. then when everyone was locked in...

they turned off all the lights on those floors. :D

that game makes excellent use of lighting, music and sound effects...

I'm looking for Fatal Frame 2. I have 3 but 2 was sold out within a year of it's release.
Anti-Social Darwinism
29-05-2009, 07:20
Horror films - sub genre Slasher aren't very frightening at all - I usually wonder about midway through what poor person is going to be stuck cleaning up the mess.

I really love the ones that play with your mind, where the evil is implied but never shown.
SaintB
29-05-2009, 07:42
Horror films - sub genre Slasher aren't very frightening at all - I usually wonder about midway through what poor person is going to be stuck cleaning up the mess.

I really love the ones that play with your mind, where the evil is implied but never shown.

Like Needful Things?
Anti-Social Darwinism
29-05-2009, 08:23
Like Needful Things?

A nice example. Also the Wicker Man (the Christopher Lee version, not the vile current one) - I always wondered who was the evil one the police officer with his rigid religiosity that admitted of nothing else or Christopher Lee's character who was perfectly willing to sacrifice without making a personal sacrifice.
Big Jim P
29-05-2009, 09:11
Like Needful Things?

I never saw the movie, but the book? Why should human nature scare me? I liked it, but it was NOT frightening.
Colonic Immigration
29-05-2009, 09:13
Oh, actually there is one-Arachnaphobia. I watched when I was stoned and it fucked with my head.
Western Mercenary Unio
29-05-2009, 09:14
the original Horror Video game is NOT RE and Silent Hill. but Phantasmagoria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantasmagoria_(computer_game)) a game that still sends chills up my spine.


Phantasmagoria! Can you feel the bone-chilling horror as he changes his rat's sawdust?
Big Jim P
29-05-2009, 09:17
Oh, actually there is one-Arachnaphobia. I watched when I was stoned and it fucked with my head.

I hate spiders, but the movie was rather funny. Try "Eight Legged Freaks" sometime. VERY funny.
Colonic Immigration
29-05-2009, 09:19
I hate spiders, but the movie was rather funny. Try "Eight Legged Freaks" sometime. VERY funny.

I watched again since then (when I was sober) and I found it hilariously bad.
Big Jim P
29-05-2009, 09:31
I watched again since then (when I was sober) and I found it hilariously bad.

Spiders aren't that bad.
Colonic Immigration
29-05-2009, 09:32
Spiders aren't that bad.

I know, but after I watched I saw them everywhere; and they looked like the ones in the film.
Dragontide
29-05-2009, 18:46
Not really any major scares at the movies. (maybe Ghost Story, 1408 and a couple of others) Probably the scariest I've seen was a few select episodes of the TV show "Night Gallery."
DrunkenDove
29-05-2009, 20:08
J-horror maybe, but not any slasher flicks. Me and my friends watch them for the unintentional comedy.
Laerod
29-05-2009, 20:19
I've grown resistant to horror movies. Used to be, seeing anything that could possible be hiding outside of my window at night appearing in a movie would freak me out. The scene with the monsters in Look Who's Talking Too, for instance... Nightmare fuel that was. Nowadays, not even horror dreams really do anything.
One movie I remember well was the color version of The Birds. Rather good combination of gore and anticipation horror. More recently, I enjoyed Darkness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkness_(2002_film)) and The Descent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_descent). Didn't exactly scare me, but Darkness managed to end it pretty well and The Descent actually had me creeped out (though I missed the introduction; it's not necessary for enjoying the movie).

As for games, X-COM.
Rambhutan
29-05-2009, 20:27
There isn't enough horror poetry
JuNii
29-05-2009, 20:28
Phantasmagoria! Can you feel the bone-chilling horror as he changes his rat's sawdust?
rather when he forced fed his wife...
I hate spiders, but the movie was rather funny. Try "Eight Legged Freaks" sometime. VERY funny.
"I'm just a kid, who would've believed me?"
Western Mercenary Unio
29-05-2009, 20:58
rather when he forced fed his wife...


I was talking about Phantasmagoria 2. About that game, what the hell's up with that cover?
JuNii
29-05-2009, 21:03
I was talking about Phantasmagoria 2. About that game, what the hell's up with that cover?

ah... the pulling out his GF's belly button ring... :eek:
Western Mercenary Unio
29-05-2009, 21:07
ah... the pulling out his GF's belly button ring... :eek:

No, the one that looks like Curtis is tearing up his chest.

I'll TG you the link.
JuNii
29-05-2009, 21:11
No, the one that looks like Curtis is tearing up his chest.

the game is about him discovering who/what he really is.
Western Mercenary Unio
29-05-2009, 21:16
the game is about him discovering who/what he really is.

Yeah, I guess that the game is about finding yourself, but still that cover doesn't make sense.
JuNii
29-05-2009, 21:19
Yeah, I guess that the game is about finding yourself, but still that cover doesn't make sense.

it kinda does... when you play the game and see the ending.

what has more influence on what makes a person... what he is on the outside, or on the inside?
Western Mercenary Unio
29-05-2009, 21:23
it kinda does... when you play the game and see the ending.

what has more influence on what makes a person... what he is on the outside, or on the inside?

I have actually seen the ending on Spoony's Let's Play Phantasmagoria. And it still doesn't make sense.'

Of course, the problem is probably on my end because I can't understand the Deep Imagery of it.
Muravyets
30-05-2009, 01:12
I have to second eerie Japanese horror as what scares me the most. It's not about shock value; it's about unease, weirdness and vulnerability to the vengeful and unpredictable whims of the supernatural. Ju-on, Ringu and The Ring all made me feel uneasy for weeks after because the imagery was so powerful and they produced a sense of pervasive dread of the inescapable.
This.^^ Aside from Japanese films, I have not seen a truly scary horror film newer than 1980. And I'm a huge horror fan. I've seen hundreds of horror movies.

The ones that scare me -- that give me a real sensation of fear -- are the ones that build to an intense peak of emotion, that sense of inescapable malice, of nowhere to hide, no way to escape. There are scenes that deliver that in the original "The Haunting" (with Julie Harris), "The Legend of Hell House," the original "The Stepford Wives," "The Omen," "Rosemary's Baby," among others.

I think the best example of that, though, might be "Night of the Hunter" -- not supernatural horror but definitely a suspense-terror flick.

Alfred Hitchcock specialized in that giving people that feeling of real fear -- The cornfield/plane scene and the Mt. Rushmore chase scene in "North by Northwest." The carrying the milk up the stairs scene in "Suspicion." The nightmarish, dream-like killing the spy in the kitchen scene in "Torn Curtain." Every frame of "Vertigo" and every moment of "Rear Window." Every frame of "Frenzy." It goes on and on.

The only even vaguely supernatural story Hitchcock ever did, though, was "The Birds." There was so much of that mounting hatred directed against YOU!!! :eek2: in that movie -- damn!

And I think one of the most terrifying pure-horror moments in any movie is in one of Hitchcock's early silent flims, "The Lodger", in which there is a long sequence of mob violence against a man running for his life that is truly profound in how scary it is.

In the past 25 years I have seen only two American movies that had achieved that sense of horror enveloping you -- "Frailty" and "From Hell." "Frailty" is one of the scariest movies I've ever seen. As for "From Hell", the movie was not really that scary, but Ian Holm sure the fuck was. Geez.
Muravyets
30-05-2009, 01:23
So, the general consensus is that horror films do little to evoke horror (beyond, perhaps, body horror or gore-based horror)?

What about literature? I'm afraid I've not read much written horror, so I don't really have an opinion.

A medium that I think suits horror really well is audiobooks. There's a podiobook author called Phil Rossi, who recorded (with an original soundtrack) an audiobook called Crescent Station. It's very atmospheric (and free!). I recommend it highly.
I'm not a fan of audio books, so I've never listened to horror, but the writers who make me feel real fear for the duration of the reading time are:

Algernon Blackwood -- especially "The Willows," and "The Wendigo."

M.R. James -- just about all his stories, but especially "Oh, Whistle and I'll Come to You, My Lad," "Number 13," "Count Magnus," "The Diary of Mr. Poynter," "Casting the Runes," "An Incident of Cathedral History," and "A Warning to the Curious" (with its terrifying beach in the fog scene).

Joseph Sheridan LeFanu -- especially "Squire Toby's Will" in which the most disturbing thing you can imagine is the dog stretching on the lawn.

By the way, "Casting the Runes" was made into a passably terrifying and very good horror movie starring Dana Andrews called "Curse of the Demon." Check it out.
Muravyets
30-05-2009, 01:25
Only one author has ever managed to scare me: Stephen King. The last line of Pete Semetary gave me a chill, and Salems Lot caused me to have a dream that I awoke from too scared to move.
You got scared by Stephen King? Ha! Satanic wimp! :D :p
Big Jim P
30-05-2009, 03:16
You got scared by Stephen King? Ha! Satanic wimp! :D :p

:p Well, I was very young at the time.;)
Zombie PotatoHeads
30-05-2009, 03:51
I found 'The Shining' creepy, as it builds the tension so well.
'Audition' is very unsettling, as it makes such a 180 turn from what seems like a rather dull love story into a total psycho nightmare. The scenes near the end are truly disturbing.
Risottia
30-05-2009, 17:38
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Poor eagle. Kitty is thinking "yum-yum!", and soon eagle will look as a very dead chicken.
No true scotsman
30-05-2009, 19:09
I found 'The Shining' creepy, as it builds the tension so well.
'Audition' is very unsettling, as it makes such a 180 turn from what seems like a rather dull love story into a total psycho nightmare. The scenes near the end are truly disturbing.

If you've not seen it, it might be worth your time looking for "May". If you liked Audition ('like' might not be the exactly right word...), it has a certain 'spiritual' similarity.
JuNii
30-05-2009, 20:30
Poor eagle. Kitty is thinking "yum-yum!", and soon eagle will look as a very dead chicken.

I dunno... it looks like the Eagle is thinking "But what am I going to do with the leftovers?"
JuNii
30-05-2009, 20:30
I found 'The Shining' creepy, as it builds the tension so well.
'Audition' is very unsettling, as it makes such a 180 turn from what seems like a rather dull love story into a total psycho nightmare. The scenes near the end are truly disturbing.

while Maribito does the opposite... it takes a potential Horror movie and puts in a love story. :D
Ring of Isengard
30-05-2009, 20:56
I dunno... it looks like the Eagle is thinking "But what am I going to do with the leftovers?"

My money's on that menacing tree in the background.
JuNii
30-05-2009, 21:14
My money's on that menacing tree in the background.

hmm... I bet on this outcome.

the cat will leap at the Eagle,

the Eagle will fly up.

the cat will land on the railing, which will break due to the termite damage it has taken over the years and the cat will plunge to it's death (with the railing impailing the cat.)

the Eagle will hit his head on the overhand and fall... impailing itself on one of the rotted, termite damaged posts that held the railing.

then the Renter (who owns a home nowadays?) will be suied by every environmentalist group for the death of an endangered animal.

:D
Ring of Isengard
30-05-2009, 21:18
hmm... I bet on this outcome.

the cat will leap at the Eagle,

the Eagle will fly up.

the cat will land on the railing, which will break due to the termite damage it has taken over the years and the cat will plunge to it's death (with the railing impailing the cat.)

the Eagle will hit his head on the overhand and fall... impailing itself on one of the rotted, termite damaged posts that held the railing.

then the Renter (who owns a home nowadays?) will be suied by every environmentalist group for the death of an endangered animal.

:D

... and they all lived happily ever after.
SaintB
31-05-2009, 11:33
I never saw the movie, but the book? Why should human nature scare me? I liked it, but it was NOT frightening.

The movie builds an atmosphere of tension and suspense; toward the end it becomes pretty "meh" but the first hour or so really gets your attention. Some people find suspense and tension scary.
Muravyets
31-05-2009, 16:36
The movie builds an atmosphere of tension and suspense; toward the end it becomes pretty "meh" but the first hour or so really gets your attention. Some people find suspense and tension scary.
I find human nature way more frightening than mythical monsters. That's why a movie like "Frenzy" scares me more and more seriously than anything with devils, vampires or ghosts. But "Needful Things" was just lame. Sorry.
No true scotsman
31-05-2009, 20:40
while Maribito does the opposite... it takes a potential Horror movie and puts in a love story. :D

...and a race of underground people living in caves. Maybe.

Crazy movie.
Katganistan
01-06-2009, 02:21
No. But blood- and gorefests give me a lovely nightmare if I go to sleep too soon after seeing them, so no thanks.
Getbrett
01-06-2009, 02:31
No. But blood- and gorefests give me a lovely nightmare if I go to sleep too soon after seeing them, so no thanks.

I have an (unfortunate?) blood fetish. Blood - not so much gore - tends to give me highly erotic dreams.

I dreamt I was a shapeshifter last night, with a thick chest, eight feet tall, powerful frame and jaws, covered with heavy purple scales. I had eight hours of blissful sleep intertwined with running through woodland and chewing on human necks. It was a really nice dream.

There was another fairly recent one where I was walking through an office filled with cubicles, at night, chasing a middle aged woman with a gaudy pink power suit jacket on - massive shoulder pads and all. I chased her into a cubicle and stuck a screwdriver into the fleshy part under her chin into the carotid artery. She then twitched violently, which irritated me, so I removed the screwdriver and pushed in her right ear until she stopped moving.

I have very violent dreams. Perhaps that's why horror doesn't really horrify me.
Skama
01-06-2009, 02:37
You need serious help. Seek a psychiatrist or something.
Getbrett
01-06-2009, 02:38
You need serious help. Seek a psychiatrist or something.

I'm not a violent person, I don't need any help.
Conserative Morality
01-06-2009, 03:28
the original Horror Video game is NOT RE and Silent Hill. but

Crap. Phantasmagoria was horrible, and truly not scary. I'm speaking of the MODERN horror genre, games in the vein of Penumbra and 5 days a Stranger. Phantasmagoria didn't even have the creepy atmosphere of The 7th Guest.
Truly Blessed
01-06-2009, 13:22
Well when I was kid Omen and Omen 2 scared me for days afterwords.

Recent ones Saw was kind of gross and more than a little disturbing

There are still a few out there but rare.
JuNii
01-06-2009, 18:13
No. But blood- and gorefests give me a lovely nightmare if I go to sleep too soon after seeing them, so no thanks.
but what about Blood and Gore-less scary movies?
Crap. Phantasmagoria was horrible, and truly not scary. I'm speaking of the MODERN horror genre, games in the vein of Penumbra and 5 days a Stranger. Phantasmagoria didn't even have the creepy atmosphere of The 7th Guest.

I would consider 7th Guest a scary game... IF it didn't have all those puzzles to distract you from the story... same with 11th Hour. ;)


oh, and I finally found Fatal Frame II: Crimson Butterfly! Guess what I'll be playing during the daylight hours of my day off. :D
The Lone Alliance
02-06-2009, 17:34
Like most here I don't care for the slasher movies, but when it comes to the movies that
give you tons of mindscrew and Ambiance...

"The Others" and one of the "Ghost Ship" type movies really can do that.

Same with games, the ones that mess with your head are worse than plain "Gore".

You give me Resident Evil and I'll just at the right places, but as soon as I'm done I'll go sleep soundly.

Silent hill however is a different story.

F.E.A.R. as well.
Caloderia City
02-06-2009, 17:47
"Uninvited" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninvited_(game)) was a great survival horror game from my youth. Scared the shit out of me, it did. Practically everything you did wound up with you dying in a horrible way. I remember it was innovative for the time in that you could have an axe in your inventory, and then "use" it on yourself to get the happy description of you hacking into your skull with an axe and dying.

Pretty gruesome and horrifying to a 7 year old. I mean, a 7 year old in the days before truly modern computers. Games they have today, I'm surprised more children aren't diagnosed more with PTSD rather than ADHD...
Laerod
02-06-2009, 17:49
I'm not a violent person, I don't need any help.Everyone on NSG needs help in some form or the other.
JuNii
02-06-2009, 18:09
"Uninvited" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninvited_(game)) was a great survival horror game from my youth. Scared the shit out of me, it did. Practically everything you did wound up with you dying in a horrible way. I remember it was innovative for the time in that you could have an axe in your inventory, and then "use" it on yourself to get the happy description of you hacking into your skull with an axe and dying.

Pretty gruesome and horrifying to a 7 year old. I mean, a 7 year old in the days before truly modern computers. Games they have today, I'm surprised more children aren't diagnosed more with PTSD rather than ADHD...

Colonel's Bequest. not a horror game, but one that had you in THE most dangerous house ever made.

walk next to the suit of armor and the hatchet falls and kills you.

walk under the chandelier in the foyer? it falls on you...

walk out on the balcony and it collapses.

oh and beware of the stair handrail...

go into the swamp? Gator food!

and that's just the home!

At the same time there's a party going on... and one of the guests is a murderer... and you have to find out who it is while he's going around killing other guests and makes several attempts on your life. :D