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I've heard about this not last night, but the night before, and NSG hasn't made a post about it?! For shame!

NY TERROR PLOT FOILED
EXTREMISTS BUSTED IN BRONX

Four homegrown Muslim terrorists on a mission from hell were arrested last night as they planted what they thought were high-powered plastic explosives at two Bronx synagogues, authorities said.

The men were also allegedly plotting to use a Stinger missile to shoot a military plane out of the sky in upstate New York immediately after the bombings.

"This is America's finest hour. The best resources of the Police Department, Homeland Security and the FBI kept us safe," said Jonathan Rosenblatt, a rabbi at the targeted Riverdale Jewish Center.

He noted that some of the members had survived the Holocaust. "To see a synagogue burning would have been painful," he said.

The jihadist wannabes -- all from Newburgh, NY -- began their unholy mission last night at around 9 p.m. at the Riverdale Temple on Independence Avenue, authorities said.

They planted what they thought were explosives in a parked car outside the house of worship.

One acted as a lookout, while the other three allegedly drove up the block to the Riverdale Jewish Center and planted two more bags of "explosives" in cars.

Unbeknownst to them, their explosives were duds -- supplied by authorities who had been monitoring their plan for more than a year.

Cops swooped in and arrested them right after they allegedly planted the last of the phony bombs.

One of the suspects, James Cromitie, a k a Abdul Rahman, bragged that blowing up the synagogues would be a "piece of cake," the feds said.

"I hate those motherf - - -ers, those f - - -ing Jewish bastards . . . I would like to get a synagogue," Cromitie told an informant, according to a criminal complaint.

The alleged terrorists' hatred also included the US military.

After bombing the temples, the men planned to split up and head to the New York Air National Guard Base at Stewart Airport in their hometown and shoot down a plane with a weapon they believed was a Stinger surface-to-air guided missile, sources said.

"They [the United States military] are killing Muslim brothers and sisters in Muslim countries, so if we kill them here [in the United States] with IEDs [improvised explosive devices] and Stingers, it is equal," one of the busted men, Onta Williams, allegedly told the informant.

Also arrested was David "Daoud" Williams and Laguerre Payen, a k a Amin or Almondo.

The arrests culminated a yearlong investigation by the FBI and NYPD joint terrorist task force, which monitored the four men with wiretaps, surveillance and the help of the undercover.

Link (http://www.nypost.com/seven/05202009/news/regionalnews/bronx/ny_terror_plot_foiled_170221.htm)

What first caught my eyes was the fact that these guys were homegrown. Which mean they didn't come from the Middle East, they were born, grew up, and work here.

The second thing that caught my eyes was the fact that this plan was foiled by police, FBI, and terrorist task force which includes wiretaps, surveillance, and undercovers. So, it's likely that no one from Gitmo knew about this.

Good job for the NYPD, FBI and Terrorist Task Force though. :)

What first caught my eyes is that they got an awful lot of help and encouragement from the police setting this up.

What first caught my eyes is that they got an awful lot of help and encouragement from the police setting this up.

Would you really consider it help if they gave them fake explosive?

they are just another group of assholes who dont know how stupid they are.

not that its not a good thing that they are stopped and tossed into jail where they belong.

What first caught my eyes is that they got an awful lot of help and encouragement from the police setting this up.


...again.

What first caught my eyes is that they got an awful lot of help and encouragement from the police setting this up.

There are very specific rules when working undercover.

#1: Don't give the suspect any ideas.

If you give the suspect ideas, it's entrapment. So, if they tell the informant "We need X number of bombs", the informant can ask "What for?" and it's ok - he's querying the intended use. If, however, he said "How about a stinger missile instead? You could shoot down a jet!", that would be entrapment.

Would you really consider it help if they gave them fake explosive?

Okay, fake help.

But these guys seem kind of dumb. I have no doubt that they genuinely hate Jews and all that, but I am skeptical that they would ever have come up with this or done anything about it if the police weren't there to push them in the right direction.

Also, the whole missile thing is lame. The police could have just pretended to sell them something non-missiley to spare them the extra charge.

My tax dollars at work eh?

There are very specific rules when working undercover.

#1: Don't give the suspect any ideas.

If you give the suspect ideas, it's entrapment. So, if they tell the informant "We need X number of bombs", the informant can ask "What for?" and it's ok - he's querying the intended use. If, however, he said "How about a stinger missile instead? You could shoot down a jet!", that would be entrapment.

I know. But cops don't always follow the rules. These knuckle heads don't strike me as the type of people that would have the wherewithal to do something like this without help.

What first caught my eyes was the fact that these guys were homegrown. Which mean they didn't come from the Middle East, they were born, grew up, and work here.
They were still Muslim though. It hardly matters that they weren't from The Middle East. Many, many islamic extremist elements in the UK, for example, come from 'homegrown' Muslims.

I know. But cops don't always follow the rules. These knuckle heads don't strike me as the type of people that would have the wherewithal to do something like this without help.

This is true, but I seriously doubt it's the case. Why? Because FBI undercovers are very very well paid. Most wouldn't want to risk that money on getting trapped by entrapment.

Also, planting a few bombs and shooting down an airplane isn't exactly a fresh new idea. It would be easy enough even for idiots to come up with that.

Third, how do we know they're idiots? Because they got caught?

This is true, but I seriously doubt it's the case. Why? Because FBI undercovers are very very well paid. Most wouldn't want to risk that money on getting trapped by entrapment.

Also, planting a few bombs and shooting down an airplane isn't exactly a fresh new idea. It would be easy enough even for idiots to come up with that.

Third, how do we know they're idiots? Because they got caught?

This is what the local news reported last night: 1) the undercover was NYPD and was working out of the Newburgh mosque. 2) All these clowns have previous for petty crime.

1. makes me skeptical of the operation's professionalism. And 2. makes me skeptical of the mental facilities of the people involved.

Possibly the reality is something else again. But right now it seems to me that this is one of those situations that, if not engineered by law enforcement, was certainly helped along by it.

They were still Muslim though. It hardly matters that they weren't from The Middle East. Many, many islamic extremist elements in the UK, for example, come from 'homegrown' Muslims.

Yes, because all Muslims are terrorist. The extremist part doesn't clue you in on how many Muslims actually think like this?

Yes, because all Muslims are terrorist. The extremist part doesn't clue you in on how many Muslims actually think like this?

Oh please, tell me that this thread is not going to turn into a 'Oh noes, teh ebil muzlims!!1!1 discussion. Please.

Oh please, tell me that this thread is not going to turn into a 'Oh noes, teh ebil muzlims!!1!1 discussion. Please.

How long have you been here now?

How long have you been here now?

A little over a year... but I can still hope, you know.

A little over a year... but I can still hope, you know.

Abandon all hope, ye who post here.

Yes, because all Muslims are terrorist. The extremist part doesn't clue you in on how many Muslims actually think like this?
I don't think you could have missed the point more than if the point were a tack on your chair and instead of sitting on said chair, you decided to go over to a friend's house and lay, on your back, pushing your legs and butt up in the air, on their new persian rug . . . instead of sitting in your chair.

My point was that your point that it was shocking and new that they weren't from The Middle East and were 'homegrown' was irrelevant because they were still Muslim and, as an example, the UK has many, many of its islamic-issues with 'homegrown' muslims.

A little over a year... but I can still hope, you know.

You can hope, but at the end you're still going to be disappointed.

I don't think you could have missed the point more than if the point were a tack on your chair and instead of sitting on said chair, you decided to go over to a friend's house and lay, on your back, pushing your legs and butt up in the air, on their new persian rug . . . instead of sitting in your chair.

My point was that your point that it was shocking and new that they weren't from The Middle East and were 'homegrown' was irrelevant because they were still Muslim and, as an example, the UK has many, many of its islamic-issues with 'homegrown' muslims.

The reason I highlighted the homegrown part is that right now we're fighting a War on Terror, we're bringing the fighting to "them", "There", so we don't have to fight "them", "Here". I just found it ironic that "they" are "here", despite the War on Terror.

A little over a year... but I can still hope, you know.

Ah, hope. I remember those days.

My point was that your point that it was shocking and new that they weren't from The Middle East and were 'homegrown' was irrelevant because they were still Muslim and, as an example, the UK has many, many of its islamic-issues with 'homegrown' muslims.

'Home grown' ones who become radicalised, often travel to Pakistan, then return having received some training,intent on mayhem.

Currently in the US it seems to be eejits, who meet an FBI undercover agent/informer, and lo and behold.....

'Home grown' ones who become radicalised, often travel to Pakistan, then return having received some training,intent on mayhem.
Correct.

Currently in the US it seems to be eejits, who meet an FBI undercover agent/informer, and lo and behold.....
I don't know that this is any indication of what 'happens' (plural) in America. Seems quite unusual.

The reason I highlighted the homegrown part is that right now we're fighting a War on Terror, we're bringing the fighting to "them", "There", so we don't have to fight "them", "Here". I just found it ironic that "they" are "here", despite the War on Terror.
Yeah, but we ran the risk of domestic terrorism long before 9/11, it's not like a secret and its happend before. However, while there are the possibilities of domestic terrorists 'here', there are a shitload more terrorists 'there' in the Middle East than 'here' in America, in general.

I don't know that this is any indication of what 'happens' (plural) in America. Seems quite unusual.
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Wasn't there a similiar episode involving airport workers? And one or two others, all involving persons whose lights were not the brightest in the forest and all involving FBI agents/informers....?

Wasn't there a similiar episode involving airport workers? And one or two others, all involving persons whose lights were not the brightest in the forest and all involving FBI agents/informers....?
It's possible of course, but I don't know off the top of my head.

This thing stinks to high heaven. In general it looks like the agencies involved were doing most of the work and just using these guys.

This thing stinks to high heaven. In general it looks like the agencies involved were doing most of the work and just using these guys.

Its certainly not going to hurt them for the media to have a story about how they stopped some terrorists thanks to wiretapping among other things. Elaborate plot to keep Obama from banning wiretapping?

Its certainly not going to hurt them for the media to have a story about how they stopped some terrorists thanks to wiretapping among other things. Elaborate plot to keep Obama from banning wiretapping?

*cough*

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/DrkHelmet/Forum%20Pictures/tinfoil-hat.jpg

But it makes sense...

Sorry, but since when was two bombs a "major terror plot"? Oklahoma city was a major terror plot. 9/11 was a major terror plot. The Belsen school attacks were a major terror plot.

This cheapening of the language really pisses me off.

I was tempted to post this gem a few months ago as well but I wondered where it would spiral (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/7935049.stm)

still its good to see the police at work in this case I'm sure the protesters would of been torn limb from limb otherwise

But these guys seem kind of dumb. I have no doubt that they genuinely hate Jews and all that, but I am skeptical that they would ever have come up with this or done anything about it if the police weren't there to push them in the right direction.

that seems to be built on some very sketchy information though the way I see it the agencies would of sold the weapons over the internet and these people were stupid enough to pick it up

Also, the whole missile thing is lame. The police could have just pretended to sell them something non-missiley to spare them the extra charge.

I can actually show you how to make a pretty convincing RPG out of a cola bottle, some card, one of these (http://oatesspecialties.com/images/Half%20Cone%20Marker1.jpg), some paint and a toy gun

actually kind of fun you could outsource this stuff to housewives

Currently in the US it seems to be eejits, who meet an FBI undercover agent/informer, and lo and behold.....

or the ones in Afghanistan speaking with a Midland accent mah' duck :wink:

Its certainly not going to hurt them for the media to have a story about how they stopped some terrorists thanks to wiretapping among other things. Elaborate plot to keep Obama from banning wiretapping?

You know, I honestly wouldn't be surprised.

A little over a year... but I can still hope, you know.

If you paid attention to the micro print when you agreed to the ToS, you would have realized that hope was forfeit the moment you clicked that "I accept" button. :p

If you paid attention to the micro print when you agreed to the ToS, you would have realized that hope was forfeit the moment you clicked that "I accept" button. :p

Yes, I can see that now.:(

Oh please, tell me that this thread is not going to turn into a 'Oh noes, teh ebil muzlims!!1!1 discussion. Please.

Oh noes, teh ebil muzlims!!1!1

I bet this is Obama's fault, he probably pals around with those guys seeing as he's an evil Commie Muslim Terrorist.
That's a joke if you still haven't figured it out...

The Belsen school attacks were a major terror plot.

Beslan.

Muslims should just be deported to Antarctica.

Muslims should just be deported to Antarctica.

*opens mouth*

*closes mouth*

*squirts eyes and rubs chin*

*opens mouth again*

*walks away*

*opens mouth*

*closes mouth*

*squirts eyes and rubs chin*

*opens mouth again*

*walks away*

It was a joke. They should be sent to internment camps instead.

It was a joke. They should be sent to internment camps instead.

You should stop while you're behind.

Beslan.

Whoops. Thank you.

It was a joke. They should be sent to internment camps instead.

Yeah, because internment without trial worked so well before.....

Muslims should just be deported to Antarctica.

An alliance between terrorists and penguins could doom us all! :eek:

An alliance between terrorists and penguins could doom us all! :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AN5KpUecBs

Yeah, because internment without trial worked so well before.....

I really should stop making jokes and/or being sarcastic on NSG...

I really should stop making jokes and/or being sarcastic on NSG...

Nah, what made the joke twice as funny was people's reactions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AN5KpUecBs

That is a documentary! :eek:

Nah, what made the joke twice as funny was people's reactions.

Until you realize this is NSG, and that people have said crap like that before. And meant every one of them.

Until you realize this is NSG, and that people have said crap like that before. And meant every one of them.

I know, but NNLDI's not serious.

I know, but NNLDI's not serious.

Obviously my psychic powers are at a low ebb at the moment...

Obviously my psychic powers are at a low ebb at the moment...

:eek:

Obviously my psychic powers are at a low ebb at the moment...

I'm sorry, but even I wouldn't advocate sending Muslims to Antarctica or locking them all up in internment camps.

I'm sorry, but even I wouldn't advocate sending Muslims to Antarctica or locking them all up in internment camps.

It's hard to think anyone would.

I'm sorry, but even I wouldn't advocate sending Muslims to Antarctica or locking them all up in internment camps.

I'd send 'American Idol' contestants instead. :)

I'd send 'American Idol' contestants instead. :)

Surely that's against the geneva convention.

Surely that's against the geneva convention.

American Idol? Yes. What were they thinking?

American Idol? Yes. What were they thinking?

I doubt they thought at all. And people call me thick.

I'd send 'American Idol' contestants instead. :)
And anyone who didn't like mud and tacos.

American Idol? Yes. What were they thinking?
That Pop Idol made some money...

I'm sorry, but even I wouldn't advocate sending Muslims to Antarctica or locking them all up in internment camps.

Then again there is oil in Antarctica. And people are less likely to be terrorist when they have work.

It's hard to think anyone would.

But then we remember those who rallied under the McCain/Palin banner during the 2008 election and we drink ourselves stupid to forget.

I'm sorry, but even I wouldn't advocate sending Muslims to Antarctica or locking them all up in internment camps.

I'd send 'American Idol' contestants instead. :)

Wouldn't all that hot air melt all the ice and raise the Antarctic temperature to dangerous levels?

But then we remember those who rallied under the McCain/Palin banner during the 2008 election and we drink ourselves stupid to forget.

They'll be back... :(

Well anyways Kudos to the Obama administration. It would appear the fear that he would be soft on terror has been misplaced.

Well anyways Kudos to the Obama administration. It would appear the fear that he would be soft on terror has been misplaced.

It won't be long before someone comes up with a Kimchi-grade comment to the effect of "Obama threw his terrorist pals under the bus."

It won't be long before someone comes up with a Kimchi-grade comment to the effect of "Obama threw his terrorist pals under the bus."

I really regret vouching for Deep kimchi to get him a job at the New york post.

I really regret vouching for Deep kimchi to get him a job at the New york post.

But he's among his own kind now. ;)

But he's among his own kind now. ;)

It was more he just wouldn't leave me alone, until i got him the job.