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What is the status of the infamous "wiretapping" that had been going full force during the Bush administration? Is that little AT&T nexus room in San Francisco still recording every email and communication going in and out? You havnt heard Obama say anything one way or the other about them. This makes me curious to wonder, is this too much information for the government to give up willingly once they already have their paws on it or has the clearly illegal program been discontinued under Obama?

Of course it's still there but they just don't talk about it because they know the public has an amazingly short attention span and they've pretty much forgotten about it.

If Obama says it is needed for security I am willing to let it slide.

If Obama says it is needed for security I am willing to let it slide.

i could be wrong but as far as i know nothing has been said one way or the other. For something that was as big as it was its odd that it doesnt seem to have been brought up.

If it is ongoing its no more acceptable under Obama then it was under Bush.

If Obama says it is needed for security I am willing to let it slide.

If it is ongoing its no more acceptable under Obama then it was under Bush.

^^ This is my response to g&d post.

^^ This is my response to g&d post.

I gave bush the same leeway too.
I find ti rather poor form to challenge the president on security issues.

I gave bush the same leeway too.
I find ti rather poor form to challenge the president on security issues.

I find it rather poor form for Presidents to shred The Constitution.

I find it rather poor form for Presidents to shred The Constitution.

Its a Grey area they are not using the evidence in court, they are using it to prevent terrorist attacks.
If they don't use it to prosecute I can let it slide.

Is that little AT&T nexus room in San Francisco still recording every email and communication going in and out?

That's a triple-strength super-fuckload of information.

If that is happening, and if that is really what was happening, then you don't need to worry about being wiretapped because of nothing more than the volume. It would be impossible to surveil.

That's a triple-strength super-fuckload of information.

If that is happening, and if that is really what was happening, then you don't need to worry about being wiretapped because of nothing more than the volume. It would be impossible to surveil.

Computers listen for certain phrases and flagged phrases are sent to a person to review. At least I think. Top secret stuff is hard to even speculate on.

is this too much information for the government to give up willingly once they already have their paws on it...

Yes. Give the government an inch and they'll take...your freedom.

Yes. Give the government an inch and they'll take...your freedom.

Ahhh the Bush doctrine.

What wire tapping?

What wire tapping?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/nsa_/index.html

It was World news for months and months.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/nsa_/index.html

It was World news for months and months.

That was 2 years ago! You can't expect me to remember that.

That's a triple-strength super-fuckload of information.

If that is happening, and if that is really what was happening, then you don't need to worry about being wiretapped because of nothing more than the volume. It would be impossible to surveil.

Its not a question of if it happened, it was international news for months and Congress had to make a whole special law to prevent communication companies from getting sued for violating privacy agreements with their customers.

Found this in google search. Its not good. Obamas administration is going FARTHER in its wiretapping claims then even the Bush administration tried.

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/keith-olbermann-obama-and-wiretapping

That was 2 years ago! You can't expect me to remember that.

And this proves my point.

If it's emails you're worrying about, why don't you just encrypt your data noobs? :p

1) Use an encrypted email service like hushmail
2) Because you don't trust them either, encrypt your data ON TOP of that.
3) Better double-encrypt it for extra security, you could even go for triple encryption if you want. I'm not stopping you from getting higher either.
4) Learn 2 use encryption programs, which are mostly free by the way (if you pay for software like this means you don't search well). Stuff like GNUPG or Omziff, the former being useful in public encryption -- i.e transferring private keys to use in Omziff if you talk to someone who you don't contact in real-life directly.

Oh and the most important step:

5) CHOOSE A MILITARY-GRADE PASSWORD

A "long-bits" encryption like 256-bits is worthless without an adequate (i.e LONG AND UNPREDICTABLE) password. The password is the weakest link in all encryption and if it is poor it can end up as THE thing that allows it to be cracked.

Example of military grade password:

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Use some software like PINs to generate one.
You'll have the same security, if not MORE, than top military officials. :p

That should make you feel safe, right? If not, tough luck.
I think it's pretty safe to assume you shouldn't share this password and keep it ultra-safe somewhere right?

Oh and don't forget to change it often, so they can't trace patterns in your messages. When you want to change it you simply have to send it to someone who should decrypt your messages (and trust), encrypted of course via the old password.

Of course it's still there but they just don't talk about it because they know the public has an amazingly short attention span and they've pretty much forgotten about it.

That was 2 years ago! You can't expect me to remember that.

As it was written, so it has come to pass.

Found this in google search. Its not good. Obamas administration is going FARTHER in its wiretapping claims then even the Bush administration tried.

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/keith-olbermann-obama-and-wiretapping

Keith Olbermann is being unpatriotic. We just elected Obama can we have a little faith in him that this stuff might be needed for national security?
If it is not being used as evidence in trial it is fine.

Keith Olbermann is being unpatriotic. We just elected Obama can we have a little faith in him that this stuff might be needed for national security?
If it is not being used as evidence in trial it is fine.

So if the police want to enter your house daily and give it a full search, as long as they dont charge you with anything thats just fine with you?

So if the police want to enter your house daily and give it a full search, as long as they dont charge you with anything thats just fine with you?

there is a difference. Namely I don't own the phone lines.

there is a difference. Namely I don't own the phone lines.

No but you do rent them, just like you can rent an apartment. And you have a contract with the people you rent the lines with to insure your privacy.

Since you just rent, is it ok for the Landlord to wander around your apartment whenever he feels like it too? Or the police since you only rent?

They could at least give the wire tapping contracts to pizza delivery restraunts so we can order dinner while taking an important call.

They could at least give the wire tapping contracts to pizza delivery restraunts so we can order dinner while taking an important call.

I could not support this more.

No but you do rent them, just like you can rent an apartment. And you have a contract with the people you rent the lines with to insure your privacy.

Since you just rent, is it ok for the Landlord to wander around your apartment whenever he feels like it too? Or the police since you only rent?

Your land lord can inspect your premises with 48 hours notice with or without the police.

http://www.att.com/gen/privacy-policy?pid=7666#3

ATT's privacy policy says they will give information to the police.
Not reading what you sign perhaps ??

And this proves my point.

As it was written, so it has come to pass.

2 years for me is a lt more than it is to you old farts.

2 years for me is a lt more than it is to you old farts.

There's two years of my life I don't even fuckin' remember at all.

There's two years of my life I don't even fuckin' remember at all.

Surely there's two years of everyones life they don't remember... the first 2.

Surely there's two years of everyones life they don't remember... the first 2.

I meant as an adult.

Surely there's two years of everyones life they don't remember... the first 2.

I remember bits and pieces form that.

I meant as an adult.

I was being facisious (or however you spell it). Drugs? Amnesia?

I was being facisious (or however you spell it). Drugs? Amnesia?

http://www.scienceofdrink.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/my-liquor-cabinet.jpg

http://www.scienceofdrink.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/my-liquor-cabinet.jpg

I acn't see it. :( Haven't installed java after I wiped my computer.

I acn't see it. :( Haven't installed java after I wiped my computer.

Can't see a jpg?

.........

Your computer's fuxxored.

It was a giant liquor cabinet.

Can't see a jpg?

.........

Your computer's fuxxored..
I know, I can't be bothered to fix it atm.
It was a giant liquor cabinet.

Seriously? 2 years?

Seriously? 2 years?

Ya.

Ya.

:eek: And I thought I drank allot.

:eek: And I thought I drank allot.

Honestly, I remember taking two final exams at the very end and getting my degree.

The rest of college... honestly it could have been a body double who did it.

Honestly, I remember taking two final exams at the very end and getting my degree.

The rest of college... honestly it could have been a body double who did it.

I suppose that's sort of similar to when I used toke. I honestly can't much atall.

I suppose that's sort of similar to when I used toke. I honestly can't much atall.

Ironically, I still graduated with a 3.8 GPA. :confused:

Ironically, I still graduated with a 3.8 GPA. :confused:

I have no idea what that means.

I have no idea what that means.

A's and B's.

A's and B's.

Oh, show off!

I have no idea what that means.

all A's would be a 4.0.

so he has about 80% A's.

Oh, show off!

I really shouldn't have drunk that much, but, in my defense, George W. Bush had just been reelected as president of the United States.

I really shouldn't have drunk that much, but, in my defense, George W. Bush had just been reelected as president of the United States.

Oh, that's not a bad excuse. If McCain got elected I would be a pisshead.

Oh, that's not a bad excuse. If McCain got elected I would be a pisshead.

I hope this is all special code to prevent the government from spying on your real message and not the boring off topic spam that it appears to be.