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So why are you still posting here and not on the new forum? Seeing as the new forum is actually holding up it seems that we should all move there and try to crush it, like we did with the old server. All of NSG should be enough to do it, we've done it before.


Can we do it?

Yes, we can!

:p

I'm just upset that I have to use TWO tabs for NSG now, instead of just one.

cba

Because the beta forum is ugly as sin.

I dislike the new one. We should be organised and all make sure we log at the same time.

Because the beta forum is ugly as sin.
Didn't we say that when we moved to Jolt too?:)

No...

New forum is ugly :(

Siilly n00bs saying the new forum is ugly.:tongue:

You'll get used to it.

Siilly n00bs saying the new forum is ugly.:tongue:

You'll get used to it.

Half the decent people aren't there though.

Not as many people are over on the new ones, plus you can't search through people's posts etc.

Half the decent people aren't there though.
That's why they need to move.
Not as many people are over on the new ones, plus you can't search through people's posts etc.
I do know that you can view a person's posts, but haven't looked for the searching them yet.

And now a poll!

So why are you still posting here and not on the new forum?

Why are you posting on the new forum rather than here?

Seeing as the new forum is actually holding up it seems that we should all move there and try to crush it, like we did with the old server.

While I'd hardly say I'm a thrill seeker, you all have permission to euthanize me if I ever start getting excited about getting a message from a webpage that the server is down.



Can we do it?

Yes, we can!

:p

We can also saw off our own limbs and then jump in a pool of battery acid. Just because we can do it doesn't make it fun.

And yes, I did get out the wrong side of bed this morning.

What is this new forum everyone is talking about?

And yes, I did get out the wrong side of bed this morning.

Someone else's? :p

Why are you posting on the new forum rather than here?Because posting on the new forum to get people to the new forum does not make sense?

While I'd hardly say I'm a thrill seeker, you all have permission to euthanize me if I ever start getting excited about getting a message from a webpage that the server is down.Rather die than lack NSG, I see. You are truly a Generalite.


We can also saw off our own limbs then jump in a container of battery acid. Just because we can do it doesn't make it fun.I never said fun.:)

And yes, I did get out the wrong side of bed this morning.
I see, good thing I can't do that.

We can also saw off our own limbs and then jump in a pool of battery acid. Just because we can do it doesn't make it fun.

This is why I love you lol.

Because posting on the new forum to get people to the new forum does not make sense?

Thats not what I meant. Rather, my point was that I'm unsure of my motivation for this hypothetical move to the new forum. You seem to be suggesting its better and that we should head there just because it is new.

Now, as a Brit, having experienced "New" Labour since 1997, I am fully aware of the very real fact that things that are "New" can be utter shit. And I remain similarly unconvinced that the new forum is an improvement on this one in any whatsover.

Thats not what I meant. Rather, my point was that I'm unsure of my motivation for this hypothetical move to the new forum. You seem to be suggesting its better and that we should head there just because it is new.

Now, as a Brit, having experienced "New" Labour since 1997, I am fully aware of the very real fact that things that are "New" can be utter shit. And I remain similarly unconvinced that the new forum is an improvement on this one in any whatsover.

:fluffle::D

Thats not what I meant. Rather, my point was that I'm unsure of my motivation for this hypothetical move to the new forum. You seem to be suggesting its better and that we should head there just because it is new.

Now, as a Brit, having experienced "New" Labour since 1997, I am fully aware of the very real fact that things that are "New" can be utter shit. And I remain similarly unconvinced that the new forum is an improvement on this one in any whatsover.That's not what I meant. I think we should go there because now we're scattered across two NSG fora and we don't know how long Jolt will keep this forum open.

Or we can move when al hell breaks loose and Jolt closes this, losing members in the confusion.

If there's a single reason why I post on the new forums now rather than here it's that Jolt/OMAC showed utter disdain for us. I didn't mind the attempt at placing advertising in such an obtrusive manner, I minded not a single response on the subject.

It made me feel that we were viewed as simply a resource not a community.

The new forums are hosted by Nationstates, the people who gave us NSG in the first place and I feel they are far more vested in responding to requests and the community as a whole.

I don't think anyone is obliged to transfer, people become comfortable in an environment and that's very much fair enough.

Other than that, the new forums, being new, people are tentatively feeling their way around the place, it almost, in the main, seems more civil. I expect that will change as people settle in but, for the moment, it's quite pleasant.

It's evolution, and like evolution it doesn't mean one or the other is particularly better overall, nor is the choice to stay or move any better.

That's not what I meant. I think we should go there because now we're scattered across two NSG fora and we don't know how long Jolt will keep this forum open.

Or we can move when al hell breaks loose and Jolt closes this, losing members in the confusion.

When that time comes, I'm quite willing to lose any people stupid enough to get so confused that they become incapable of navigating to the nationstates front page and clicking on the forum button, where they would, no doubt, be automatically redirected to the new one with an explanation of what has occurred.

This, if anything, motivates me to stay here and help to contribute to the Darwinian process of confusing and eliminating those posters with an IQ of less than 4.

With NS2 being shut down and Max hosting NS, OMAC/Jolt have little reason to continue to host what they seem to view (rightly so) as an antagonistic community. The Jolt end is nigh.

What is this new forum everyone is talking about?

Errmmm... these: http://forum.nationstates.net/

No, I haven't gone over there yet. I don't like change. Basically, this is why I didn't vote for Obama.









:p

Why are you posting on the new forum rather than here?

Censorship forbids me to say.
And also gives a hint.

Didn't we say that when we moved to Jolt too?:)
Wasn't here for the move to Jolt.
Siilly n00bs saying the new forum is ugly.:tongue:

You'll get used to it.
Not until I have to.
Censorship forbids me to say.
And also gives a hint.

?????

?????

Saying negative things about this forum or OMAC is not really... allowed.

1. This forum does not have the obnoxious NS sidebar taking up 20% of the width of the page.

2. This forum allows me to view 40 posts per page instead of 25.

3. This forum actually numbers the posts so it's easier to track where I was last reading when I get distracted.

4. This forum is black text on a white background. The NS forum is green and black text on a gray background.

5. This forum does not allow quote trees.

These are the reasons I can think of right now. I appreciate what they're trying to do here, but honestly, I like these forums better.

Jolt never gave me a bullshit message when I log onto the forum to try the new one they made and which I presume is now going down in glorious flames

Other than that, the new forums, being new, people are tentatively feeling their way around the place, it almost, in the main, seems more civil. I expect that will change as people settle in but, for the moment, it's quite pleasant.

bullshit its a toxic mix of grandma's first internet session and 12 year old USA kids posting anus spew

This, if anything, motivates me to stay here and help to contribute to the Darwinian process of confusing and eliminating those posters with an IQ of less than 4.

:(

what they seem to view (rightly so) as an antagonistic community.

I thought that was just you? for the most part Jolt seems to tolerate us at least for the advertising

Saying negative things about this forum or OMAC is not really... allowed.

fuck OMAC fuck OMAC fuck OMAC fuck OMAC

<_< >_>

*shrug*

Just please change the colors so that I can stop crying from the hurt in my eyes.

When does the third one come out? :p

I thought that was just you? for the most part Jolt seems to tolerate us at least for the advertising


Nope. It's my understanding that the NS mods and admins have been at odds with Jolt for some time.

From telegrams:

I see OMAC banned you. Well, you can probably guess that there's a bit of tension between us NS folk and the Jolt/OMAC people.

They are EXTEMELY unhelpful.

When does the third one come out? :p

fortunately for you they just hired me for the development team

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4010/explosionsatmiramarairs.jpg

I use both at the moment, but in time I will migrate to the other one exclusively. I am an NSer, not a Jolter.

When does the third one come out? :p
Third what?

Nope. It's my understanding that the NS mods and admins have been at odds with Jolt for some time.

and its my understanding that jolt has hosted us for X years with only slight game-forum membership issues

but to the point I see no sign of a sudden forum closure so take your scary pants away

Third what?

NSG forum. If there is 2, why not 3 or 4? :tongue:

NSG forum. If there is 2, why not 3 or 4? :tongue:
Because that's silly?
There are now two because we're on a semi-split. or do you mean something different?

and its my understanding that jolt has hosted us for X years with only slight game-forum membership issues

but to the point I see no sign of a sudden forum closure so take your scary pants awayTo clarify this a bit. Yes, there were small problems initially through our first few years here on Jolt, but then another company called OMAC came through and bought them out recently, which is when the more troubling problems arose. Jolt has not been the same Jolt through our stay here, which can get confusing.

And yes, I did get out the wrong side of bed this morning.Someone else's? :p
Not mine :(

Not mine :(

Nor mine. :(

Because that's silly?
There are now two because we're on a semi-split. or do you mean something different?

No. Was just making a joke but then how did we become semi-split? Can't we all just get along by arguing with each other on the same site?

No. Was just making a joke but then how did we become semi-split? Can't we all just get along by arguing with each other on the same site?

Which he has now killed. :(

No. Was just making a joke but then how did we become semi-split? Can't we all just get along by arguing with each other on the same site?we're semi split because there are now two NSG fora.:)

With a new Dutch topic I might add.:p

NSG forum. If there is 2, why not 3 or 4? :tongue:

or 7 <_< >_>

Not mine :(

Nor mine. :(

the internet scares me

With a new Dutch topic I might add.:p

:mad::p

the internet scares me

It should, it's only naturaul.

or 7 <_< >_>

were you around back then? >.>

we're semi split because there are now two NSG fora.:)



Ahh. My calculator went bust so forgive me. :p

plus you can't search through people's posts etc.Yes, you can. I just noticed it.:p

Why should I move?

I am here to see who else is here.

It's like when media show up at a disaster and all take pictures of each other.

the internet scares me

What? She's cute, I can't be sad that a cute girl didn't get out of my bed?

The new forum is in UTC, which is affront to the glorious supremacy of GMT!

It's also on UTC -8, which really confuses me. Therefore I will never swap!

(unless I move to a western county of Idaho, but that would be so confusing in the first place that having the right time on a forum wouldn't make that much difference)

The new forum is in UTC, which is affront to the glorious supremacy of GMT!

It's also on UTC -8, which really confuses me. Therefore I will never swap!

(unless I move to a western county of Idaho, but that would be so confusing in the first place that having the right time on a forum wouldn't make that much difference)

Ugly as sin AND on the wrong time? You'd swear they didn't want me there or something >.> <.<

Currently I'm active on both forums. I'm more used to this one, but the new one works reasonably well too. Mind you, it seems to be a bit more right-wing, but that might be my paranoia kicking in. If the new forum truly was a right-wing cesspool, one would expect The Atlantian Islands to reign supreme there, right?

1. This forum does not have the obnoxious NS sidebar taking up 20% of the width of the page.

2. This forum allows me to view 40 posts per page instead of 25.

3. This forum actually numbers the posts so it's easier to track where I was last reading when I get distracted.

4. This forum is black text on a white background. The NS forum is green and black text on a gray background.

5. This forum does not allow quote trees.

These are the reasons I can think of right now. I appreciate what they're trying to do here, but honestly, I like these forums better.
These.

I also understand, and appreciate, what Max/NS are trying to accomplish with the migration to a new server, et cetera, but the new forums just seem ugly and unwieldy to me.

You can change your timezone settings in your user profile, iirc.

It's worth bearing in mind that OMAC/Jolt is indefinately shutting down NS2. If the trend continues, we might not have these forums for much longer.

Wait a second... isn't Getbrett contractually obliged to say something negative about anime and/or manga every single time he posts something? Seems to me the lad is going to get spanked for this intolerable omission!

You can change your timezone settings in your user profile, iirc.

It's worth bearing in mind that OMAC/Jolt is indefinately shutting down NS2. If the trend continues, we might not have these forums for much longer.

Ehhh, no. We constitute most of Jolt FORUMS membership. They'd be losing a major source of income without us so...

And the new forums are ugly, unwieldy, and don't have all the great posters, post counts, and the same level of awesomeness. Except Trve. WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US?!? :(

I can't keep track of two forums at once, that's why i'm not on the other one
Plus i miss my postcount and look like noob, don't like my flag as my avatar, and last time i looked it was dead quiet over there. But then, this place feels quieter too, so i guess posters are split... which doesn't do either forum any good

Siilly n00bs saying the new forum is ugly.:tongue:

You'll get used to it.
And then the mods planted pants on them so instead of messy dirt and dark there was pretty things there now to be happy.

Jolt forums tag quotes with links to the post, the new forums don't. Also, the mods seem to have a tighter grip on what is said there. Binary got b& for daring to stress-test the image display features on the new forum after being asked to beta test the fucking thing. The whole fucking point of a beta is to try to break the damned thing and identify those things that broke as flaws to be fixed before the final is released. If the mods are going to punish posters for doing the job asked of them then I see no point to bother with their fucking game.

I'm sorry, what part of BETA forum was not clear? No one's made a suggestion other than "I don't like it." Suggest what colors you want.

And calling it 12 year old anal spew pretty well tells me someone hasn't been there.
:rolleyes:

Binary got b& for daring to stress-test the image display features on the new forum after being asked to beta test the fucking thing. The whole fucking point of a beta is to try to break the damned thing and identify those things that broke as flaws to be fixed before the final is released. If the mods are going to punish posters for doing the job asked of them then I see no point to bother with their fucking game.
No... Binaria got deleted for image spamming repeatedly, then continuing after being told to knock it off while bitching about the lack of ability to post page-breakers. But of course, it's so much more provocative to announce that the same rules as apply on the Nationstates forums don't apply on these Nationstates forums. Because, like, the rules are completely different, and the moderators and administrators are completely different.

I'm sorry, what part of BETA forum was not clear? No one's made a suggestion other than "I don't like it." Suggest what colors you want.

That is a lie.

1. This forum does not have the obnoxious NS sidebar taking up 20% of the width of the page.

2. This forum allows me to view 40 posts per page instead of 25.

3. This forum actually numbers the posts so it's easier to track where I was last reading when I get distracted.

4. This forum is black text on a white background. The NS forum is green and black text on a gray background.

5. This forum does not allow quote trees.

These are the reasons I can think of right now. I appreciate what they're trying to do here, but honestly, I like these forums better.

I know it's easier to be antagonistic, but it's untrue that all anyone has said here is "I don't like it." I listed five things that I dislike about the new forums that I like about the old forums. It isn't hard to extrapolate what my suggestions are based on this list.

That is a lie.



I know it's easier to be antagonistic, but it's untrue that all anyone has said here is "I don't like it." I listed five things that I dislike about the new forums that I like about the old forums. It isn't hard to extrapolate what my suggestions are based on this list.
No offense but: is this in Technical, where those who handle that end can see it?
Is it even in Moderation, where we'd be likely to see it?
Or is it a complaintfest in General, where I just happened upon it?

Do try be fair. It's like telling Arthur Dent in Hitchhiker's Guide that he had every opportunity to protest the bypass that took out his house -- when the paperwork on it was in a locked cabinet in a locked closet cellar that had a broken stairway, no lights, and a hungry jaguar guarding it.

So why are you still posting here and not on the new forum?

Because the new forum is made of pure evil.

And I've seen Time Bandits. I know what that leads to.

i will always be grateful to jolt for taking us in when the old forums were broken. im even grateful that they made an attempt at updating nationstates into ns2.

but my loyalty is to nationstates and mr barry. i will go with the new forums and trust that they will be improved over time.

No offense but: is this in Technical, where those who handle that end can see it?
Is it even in Moderation, where we'd be likely to see it?
Or is it a complaintfest in General, where I just happened upon it?

Do try be fair. It's like telling Arthur Dent in Hitchhiker's Guide that he had every opportunity to protest the bypass that took out his house -- when the paperwork on it was in a locked cabinet in a locked closet cellar that had a broken stairway, no lights, and a hungry jaguar guarding it.

Boy, you're acting immature. What's the point of this and the thread you created in Moderation, except to antagonize? This is just a simple discussion thread. It was asked why we are still posting in the Jolt forums, and people responded. That's it. Nowhere did we say we expected the Moderation staff to be mindreaders, nor did anyone say that we expected that you be aware of every thread in every subforum. It's just a discussion. That's it.

I don't like the new forums because I don't like change. :mad:

I'm working my way into them, my issue is with the problem of NS logins don't like Jolt logins and vice versa, making for a bit of annoyance when I go to post in one or the other and find that I've been logged out.

Also, the Jolt forums are still more active, though I'm sure that will slowly change as more of us yahoos get kicked over there.

You want specifics? Fine. The color scheme is horrible, the quote boxes don't link to posts, the posts aren't numbered, the sidebar takes up too much space, there's this empty space between poster information and the actual post, you can't select a seperate avatar for your account there, there's a limit on the size of images (I think), every attempt to actually stress-test the new forums has been met with warnings and bans, and that's just the part of the iceberg on the surface. If you want it beta tested then we have to be permitted to break it.

1. This forum does not have the obnoxious NS sidebar taking up 20% of the width of the page.

2. This forum allows me to view 40 posts per page instead of 25.

3. This forum actually numbers the posts so it's easier to track where I was last reading when I get distracted.

4. This forum is black text on a white background. The NS forum is green and black text on a gray background.

5. This forum does not allow quote trees.


1,2 and 4: true, and it's annoying. Though I find some benefits in 1, particularly when I'm in the WA. And at last, for the first time in about three years, I can click on a forum from whatever nation I'm logged into and go to the forum, instead of having to persuade Jolt to recognise that particular nation (which, in the case of four of my puppets, it didn't).

3. It doesn't number, but if you set it so the most recent post is first, it makes it easy to go back to where you were.

5. Not sure. If you mean it doesn't let you multi-quote, then *sob*, you're right, it doesn't. If you mean that it won't let you make quote pyramids, then HALLELUJAH, you're right, it doesn't.

I also hate the fact that I can't find what a thread is about by hovering the cursor over its title.

But all of this is balanced for me by these aspects of the new forum:

I don't have to worry as much about debate topics. (The paedophile debate, which to me was a perfectly reasonable and, on the whole, polite debate, was apparently something that it would have been preferred we closed.)

Nor do I have to worry about posters doing nothing offensive in NS terms, or at least nothing that would earn them more than a wrist-slap, being clobbered. It didn't happen often, but it shouldn't have happened once.

(To balance this, nobody heard me complaining when Jolt/OMAC people came on these boards to remove advertising spammers.)

If word filters are to be used, or any modding systems changed, I know it will be discussed at length and players will be given a chance to have their say.

And, often, to have the decision reversed. Or a better one made. Or something completely new brought in. NS admins are much more present on the new boards because, at last, they can do things and see them happen, instead of having to send emails, send more emails, send more emails, still no result.

There are adjustments to be made (the number of times I've hit "save" instead of "submit"! Grrrr!!) And I realise that many of the things that make mods happy aren't visible to other players (and maybe wouldn't make some of them all that happy, either:D).

There are also astonishing levels of n00bishness, as opposed to newbie-ism. Experienced players would be a big help there.

You get the chance to be part of setting the, I dunno, tone? feeling? experience? of the new boards. II is somewhat less technical, just because there are so many newcomers; the WA seems livelier; people are putting in a lot of effort on the sports and quirkier storefronts; a bunch of the actual gameplayers, the ones who play military and diplomacy seriously in the regions, are coming back; there's a formal debate being planned ...

and the grass is growing longer in General, and could do with a few more of you pesky types running round on it.

EDIT: Just saw Indri's post. Some of what you've posted I've agreed with; some of it you get used to, as we got used to Jolt; the avatar thing is easily fixed by making your avatar your flag ([violet] has said she prefers flag-like flags, but ...); and there's a difference between the sort of stress-testing that's needed -- largely to see if the forum can handle the load -- and the stress-inducing that several posters indulged in.

There are adjustments to be made (the number of times I've hit "save" instead of "submit"! Grrrr!!)
Oh grief, yes.

There are also astonishing levels of n00bishness, as opposed to newbie-ism. Experienced players would be a big help there.
That's probably the main reason I find myself coming back to Jolt; there's not enough interesting discussion.

Though that's a poor reason to stay away. I'd be really up for a mass exodus.

1,2 and 4: true, and it's annoying. Though I find some benefits in 1, particularly when I'm in the WA. And at last, for the first time in about three years, I can click on a forum from whatever nation I'm logged into and go to the forum, instead of having to persuade Jolt to recognise that particular nation (which, in the case of four of my puppets, it didn't).

I can see the convenience if you've got multiple puppets, but that doesn't affect me. It just seems that everything gained by not having intrusive ads is lost by having that sidebar. I wish there were a way to have the forum display in a full browser window.


3. It doesn't number, but if you set it so the most recent post is first, it makes it easy to go back to where you were.

That's not quite what I meant, though. If I'm just starting on a multi-page extravaganza, I might be 8 pages from the most recent post. I may not have the stamina to get through one of those threads all in one sitting. On this forum, the posts are numbered, so I can make note of what post I left off on. On the new forum, all the posts on a page blur together.

5. Not sure. If you mean it doesn't let you multi-quote, then *sob*, you're right, it doesn't. If you mean that it won't let you make quote pyramids, then HALLELUJAH, you're right, it doesn't.

Quote pyramids were the worst thing about the old old forums, and I celebrated their loss when we moved to Jolt. I don't want to see their return.


I also hate the fact that I can't find what a thread is about by hovering the cursor over its title.

But all of this is balanced for me by these aspects of the new forum:

I don't have to worry as much about debate topics. (The paedophile debate, which to me was a perfectly reasonable and, on the whole, polite debate, was apparently something that it would have been preferred we closed.)

Nor do I have to worry about posters doing nothing offensive in NS terms, or at least nothing that would earn them more than a wrist-slap, being clobbered. It didn't happen often, but it shouldn't have happened once.

(To balance this, nobody heard me complaining when Jolt/OMAC people came on these boards to remove advertising spammers.)

If word filters are to be used, or any modding systems changed, I know it will be discussed at length and players will be given a chance to have their say.

And, often, to have the decision reversed. Or a better one made. Or something completely new brought in. NS admins are much more present on the new boards because, at last, they can do things and see them happen, instead of having to send emails, send more emails, send more emails, still no result.

There are adjustments to be made (the number of times I've hit "save" instead of "submit"! Grrrr!!) And I realise that many of the things that make mods happy aren't visible to other players (and maybe wouldn't make some of them all that happy, either:D).

There are also astonishing levels of n00bishness, as opposed to newbie-ism. Experienced players would be a big help there.

You get the chance to be part of setting the, I dunno, tone? feeling? experience? of the new boards. II is somewhat less technical, just because there are so many newcomers; the WA seems livelier; people are putting in a lot of effort on the sports and quirkier storefronts; a bunch of the actual gameplayers, the ones who play military and diplomacy seriously in the regions, are coming back; there's a formal debate being planned ...

and the grass is growing longer in General, and could do with a few more of you pesky types running round on it.

EDIT: Just saw Indri's post. Some of what you've posted I've agreed with; some of it you get used to, as we got used to Jolt; the avatar thing is easily fixed by making your avatar your flag ([violet] has said she prefers flag-like flags, but ...); and there's a difference between the sort of stress-testing that's needed -- largely to see if the forum can handle the load -- and the stress-inducing that several posters indulged in.

I agree that it's good to get rid of the fascism of OMAC, Ruiner of Internet Communities, but to be honest, it really doesn't touch me that personally. The actual NationStates game is safe, and I haven't really run afoul of the rules here, NS rules or Jolt rules. The behind-the-scenes crap that I'm sure you have to deal with it is just that, behind-the-scenes. Ignorance is bliss and all that.

I just saw this thread. Some of the suggestions (full page forum with no sidebar, color improvements) I do plan to implement; so far I've just been making sure the thing was feasible. But we're solid. :)

Re: should you stay or go, choose whichever suits you best. But we would love to have you. The new forum helps support NS; this one doesn't.

;14809166']I just saw this thread. Some of the suggestions (full page forum with no sidebar, color improvements) I do plan to implement; so far I've just been making sure the thing was feasible. But we're solid. :)

Re: should you stay or go, choose whichever suits you best. But we would love to have you. The new forum helps support NS; this one doesn't.

Well, now you're just making me feel bad. :(

Bam! You can now remove the NationStates sidebar from the new forum, for a full-width display.

Log in, then: User Control Panel -> Board Preferences -> Edit Display Options -> Display NationStates sidebar (Yes/No)

Bitchin!

Ta.

;14809298']Bam! You can now remove the NationStates sidebar from the new forum, for a full-width display.

Log in, then: User Control Panel -> Board Preferences -> Edit Display Options -> Display NationStates sidebar (Yes/No)

One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!

*ducks*

Woohoo, even [Violet] posted in my thread.:)

And in a surprising scientific way I found that 42% on Jolt prefer Jolt, but 44% on the new forum prefer the new forum! And that nobody there thinks about Ruffy or Fiddlebottoms there.

I don't like the new forums because I don't like change. :mad:
Than you shouldn't be posting on these forums as these are not the originals.

Quote pyramids were the worst thing about the old old forums, and I celebrated their loss when we moved to Jolt. I don't want to see their return.

Quote pyramids are not making a return. The highest it can go on the new forum is 3 quotes. No more.

Quote pyramids are not making a return. The highest it can go on the new forum is 3 quotes. No more.

That's annoying cos you have to delete one each time.

That's annoying cos you have to delete one each time.
Even when the forum does that automaticly?:p

from what I can tell, the biggest reason people aren't moving to the new forums is that these ones are still here. since nobody is moving because everyone else is -still here- nobody is really going to be the first to move wholesale to a relatively new and certainly underpopulated forum. The aesthetic problems, after all, can be resolved, forums not being set in stone as they are.

Even when the forum does that automaticly?:p

Nah, the forum just tells you to change it.

Then I must try it out.

And you were right, awesomely.

And you were right, awesomely.

I always am. ;)

nah, not always.:)

nah, not always.:)

When am I ever wrong about anything? :D

When am I ever wrong about anything? :D

About 98% of the time... *nod*:wink:

Eh, I guess I can try to keep up on two forums, just in case there's a big switch. Keeping up on here mostly, until people start to trickle out...

Currently I'm active on both forums. I'm more used to this one, but the new one works reasonably well too. Mind you, it seems to be a bit more right-wing, but that might be my paranoia kicking in. If the new forum truly was a right-wing cesspool, one would expect The Atlantian Islands to reign supreme there, right?
. . . I haven't even made the shift yet, so if you think it's right-wing now . . . . wait until I arrive, mwahaha, mwahaha! MWAHAHA!

The new forum is ugly and it doesn't have enough contrast and it's font is too small and it doesn't interact well with my accessibility software.

If they were to make a new skin for it that was higher contrast and a slightly larger font, I would be more active.

It's unfamiliar, but that's to be expected, if they can make it visually accommodating I'll hang out there until I figure it all out.

Because that's silly?
There are now two because we're on a semi-split. or do you mean something different?

We're not on a semi-split. Most people are still over here.

What is absolutely spiffing about the new forum is that it shows you the replies to the thread your about to post in, before you post, so you can modify to include the new posts.

About 98% of the time... *nod*:wink:

Can't argue with you there. :tongue:

We're not on a semi-split. Most people are still over here.
Does 'semi split' mean 50% split?

for those who haven't noticed, the new forum is no longer green.:)

Does 'semi split' mean 50% split?

Of course it does. Semi means half, and 50% is half.

for those who haven't noticed, the new forum is no longer green.:)

Nope. Now they're grey-green.

Nope. Now they're grey-green.

I'm not sure, but I think I prefer it now.

Of course it does. Semi means half, and 50% is half.Stupid English then.

Nope. Now they're grey-green.Grey vs slightly darker gray inside the topics.

I'm not sure, but I think I prefer it now.
I do.

Topic, you remember General? General, say hello to Topic -- you met a few pages back.

C'mon, people, when you get a chance to hogtie [Violet] and pour burning hot forum ideas in her ear, surely you're not going to let yourself be distracted by bright shiny things that mo -- well, anyway, back on track.

Honestly, if the new forum converted to the style format of the pre-Jolt NS forums, I'd make the move. The blue and white format worked so much better than the green and gray format going on the new forum presently.

Topic, you remember General? General, say hello to Topic -- you met a few pages back.

C'mon, people, when you get a chance to hogtie [Violet] and pour burning hot forum ideas in her ear, surely you're not going to let yourself be distracted by bright shiny things that mo -- well, anyway, back on track.

*Ardchoille crits Thread for muchly*

Nice. :)

I'd like to see user customisation in colouring, font and text size. Also, is it necessary for the username to appear both to the left and top of each post, and the topic title to appear at the top of each post? (Or might that prevent the kind of derailing displayed here?)

Topic, you remember General? General, say hello to Topic -- you met a few pages back.

C'mon, people, when you get a chance to hogtie [Violet] and pour burning hot forum ideas in her ear, surely you're not going to let yourself be distracted by bright shiny things that mo -- well, anyway, back on track.Can youi make the posts go away? It's now a crazy long list of deleted posts.

The blue and white format worked so much better than the green and gray format going on the new forum presently.
True that, though I still prefer the green over the gray of Jolt.

Look guys there is nothing wrong with the new forum. Its faster for one thing! I keep having to come back here because it seems like nobody else wants to go to the new one; we seriously need to leave Jolt behind on the basis that its shit.

Ok, with the sidebar thing done, I was kind of tempted to move, even though I'd like a plain black and white type of skin option ideally.

But I look at the new forum, and its a cesspit of n00bs and poor quality debate. You just get a better quality of poster here. If this forum is a fine wine, the new one is a bottle of cheap Spanish plonk. The bottle, that is, the design of the new forum, might improve, but its what is within that bottle which counts :p

Ok, with the sidebar thing done, I was kind of tempted to move, even though I'd like a plain black and white type of skin option ideally.

But I look at the new forum, and its a cesspit of n00bs and poor quality debate. You just get a better quality of poster here. If this forum is a fine wine, the new one is a bottle of cheap Spanish plonk. The bottle, that is, the design of the new forum, might improve, but its what is within that bottle which counts :p

The brand isn't going to improve as long as all the good posters stay here.

Ok, with the sidebar thing done, I was kind of tempted to move, even though I'd like a plain black and white type of skin option ideally.

But I look at the new forum, and its a cesspit of n00bs and poor quality debate. You just get a better quality of poster here. If this forum is a fine wine, the new one is a bottle of cheap Spanish plonk. The bottle, that is, the design of the new forum, might improve, but its what is within that bottle which counts :p

This is kind of my point. Nobody wants to be really the first person to make the leap over to just using those forums, and a trickle of one member at a time isn't really sufficient anyway. Acknowledging that the forum isn't as pretty yet, I don't think the bulk of NSG is going to move over there unless it all happens -at once-.

I've been trying to spend more time there than here, and I usually create my topics on both forums. But the other forum stays totally dead :(

I've been trying to spend more time there than here, and I usually create my topics on both forums. But the other forum stays totally dead :(

This is why just one person trickling over at a time isn't enough.

This is why just one person trickling over at a time isn't enough.

Don't you new forum enthusiasts have the super mad hack skillz to take down Jolt and force everyone to move? I thought everyone on teh internets was l33t.

Don't you new forum enthusiasts have the super mad hack skillz to take down Jolt and force everyone to move? I thought everyone on teh internets was l33t.

If we did we would, right Jordy?

Don't you new forum enthusiasts have the super mad hack skillz to take down Jolt and force everyone to move? I thought everyone on teh internets was l33t.

Jolt is like a supervillain. Normally I cheer them on. This time however, I'm not on their side, but I still admire their spirit to do the wrong thing, so I can't countenance actually trying to fell them, even though my superl33t mad skillz could obviously do so within minutes.

Look guys there is nothing wrong with the new forum. Its faster for one thing! I keep having to come back here because it seems like nobody else wants to go to the new one; we seriously need to leave Jolt behind on the basis that its shit.

I posted five different reasons I prefer this forum to the new forum. I disagree that there's "nothing wrong with the new forum" or that the Jolt forum is "shit".

Can youi make the posts go away? It's now a crazy long list of deleted posts.

It's a crazy long list of deleted posts making a point. But since the point seems to have sunk in, I'll turf 'em.

I seem to remember that back in 2004 when we moved to Jolt everyone complained about the color scheme and layout. Now all of a sudden everyone loves it?

Moral of the story: use the new forum enough and it'll sink in

;14809166']I just saw this thread. Some of the suggestions (full page forum with no sidebar, color improvements) I do plan to implement; so far I've just been making sure the thing was feasible. But we're solid. :)

Re: should you stay or go, choose whichever suits you best. But we would love to have you. The new forum helps support NS; this one doesn't.

Now, see, THIS is how administrators respond. Would be nice if more administrators responded in this way.

I seem to remember that back in 2004 when we moved to Jolt everyone complained about the color scheme and layout. Now all of a sudden everyone loves it?

Moral of the story: use the new forum enough and it'll sink in

Indeed. And as Kyronea points out, Max is responsive, unlike certain forums we could mention... ;)

I posted five different reasons I prefer this forum to the new forum. I disagree that there's "nothing wrong with the new forum" or that the Jolt forum is "shit".
I may not agree with you on much lately, but on this I agree. The new Forum is the one that IS shit!!

Can't see who posted.
Historical join date gone.
Post count reduced to zero.
Members page sucks too many ways from old.
Post history toast.

And on and on.

NSG dying.....

I may not agree with you on much lately, but on this I agree. The new Forum is the one that IS shit!!

Can't see who posted.
Historical join date gone.
Post count reduced to zero.
Members page sucks too many ways from old.
Post history toast.

And on and on.

NSG dying.....

I struggle to see why post counts can't be imported at least. In terms of post histories I wonder if there are legal issues. All our posts are belong to Jolt? Or whether keeping an archive from here might put too much load on the new forum. Or issues of convertability from one format to another. There's got to be a reason.

It's a crazy long list of deleted posts making a point. But since the point seems to have sunk in, I'll turf 'em.
A sudden disappearance of ht eposts would have made that point too. It might even have made a point with infinite mass.:)

I seem to remember that back in 2004 when we moved to Jolt everyone complained about the color scheme and layout. Now all of a sudden everyone loves it?

Moral of the story: use the new forum enough and it'll sink inYeah they did, but there are a lof of new 'uns here now.

I may not agree with you on much lately, but on this I agree. The new Forum is the one that IS shit!!

Can't see who posted.
Historical join date gone.
Post count reduced to zero.
Members page sucks too many ways from old.
Post history toast.

And on and on.

NSG dying.....
1: Uh?
2: [Violet] can restore it, if you want.
3: Spam much?:p
4: Perhaps, I don't use that.
5; That's point 3 again. Though the posts maybe transferred.

A sudden disappearance of ht eposts would have made that point too. It might even have made a point with infinite mass.:)

Yeah they did, but there are a lof of new 'uns here now.


1: Uh?
In Jolt, you can click on "replies" and you can see who posted to the thread and how many posts by that poster.
2: [Violet] can restore it, if you want.
Should have been done automatically?

3: Spam much?:p
It has nothing to do with spam....at least for me.

4: Perhaps, I don't use that.
I do and I think that was a significant improvement to Jolt.

5; That's point 3 again. Though the posts maybe transferred.
Two different issues between number of posts by a member and the availability of retrieving those posts.

In Jolt, you can click on "replies" and you can see who posted to the thread and how many posts by that poster.

Should have been done automatically?


It has nothing to do with spam....at least for me.


I do and I think that was a significant improvement to Jolt.


Two different issues between number of posts by a member and the availability of retrieving those posts.
1: Ah, that one. Yeah, maybe it can be added.

2: It is automatically, except when you registerd before join dates where recorded. Though you can see it on the Jolt forum and get that date. For example, look around there and you'll see a lot of dates.;)

3: Then what does it matter that your posts are back to zero?

4: OK

5: I see, but if they can be transferred you'd have point 3 taken care of.

I struggle to see why post counts can't be imported at least. In terms of post histories I wonder if there are legal issues. All our posts are belong to Jolt? Or whether keeping an archive from here might put too much load on the new forum. Or issues of convertability from one format to another. There's got to be a reason.

They can't import anything because Max Barry doesn't have access to the jolt database.

The historical date kinda sucks. I like to remember how much time I've wasted, erm, spent here.

The historical date kinda sucks. I like to remember how much time I've wasted, erm, spent here.

You can still see your post date there. If you haven't been here from the start.

I may not agree with you on much lately, but on this I agree. The new Forum is the one that IS shit!!

Can't see who posted.
Historical join date gone.
Post count reduced to zero.
Members page sucks too many ways from old.
Post history toast.

And on and on.

NSG dying.....
Um, your historical join date is right under your avatar on the new forum....
We can't help it if Jolt won't let us port the information over.... and it's in another format, so each thread would have to be formatted manually.
How do you suggest we give people their post counts? Manually, to be updated by hand daily?
Why can't you see who posted? Isn't it there on the front page of the forums, next to the thread name?

You can still see your post date there. If you haven't been here from the start.

Ah. Good to know.:)

You know, I just posted on the new forum, and I must say that it sucks.

It's the beginning of the end! This forum will perish in flames and you will be forced to join the other forum and look like a laughable noob! Then the other forum will die as well!

Nothing like a bit of panic to brighten the day.

I like having the mods try to lure me over its like the whole reason anyone posts on a forum (attention) is being fulfilled instantly by just logging on :D

then theres the rebellion factor which is why young people are attracted to politics...and my mother is white ergo I want to have sex with the forum

...and my mother is white ergo I want to have sex with the forum

Um... what?

Um... what?

you cannot escape Freud's suggestive glance.

you cannot escape Freud's suggestive glance.

Wait, are you saying you got an Oedipus's Complex with Jolt?!:eek:

you cannot escape Freud's suggestive glance.

You're odd.

Wait, are you saying you got an Oedipus's Complex with Jolt?!:eek:

You are also odd. And far to intelligent.

you cannot escape Freud's suggestive glance.

Except when its just a cigar.

The new forum is now looking like most of its users.

The new forum is now looking like most of its users.

That's a good one.

The new forum is now looking like most of its users.

And how is that?

And how is that?

Green.

Green.

Ah. I should've guessed that was it.

The forums are what you make it. The responsibility for any complaints about quality rests in its members and those who have the ability to change it but do not do so. It's not going to get better (I see no problem with it personally) if you complain and do nothing.

Why is it green? It's so ugly.

I like having the mods try to lure me over its like the whole reason anyone posts on a forum (attention) is being fulfilled instantly by just logging on :D


No, actually, the word went out -- from the very top -- Don't tell CtP about the new forum!

There has obviously been a serious breach of OpSec here. Heads will roll.

But don't think you'll get past our Beta Forum Security. We have retina-matchers and CCTV and sensitised touchpads and fingerprint checkers and all this other stuff you don't need to know about.

You Shall Not Pass!

No, actually, the word went out -- from the very top -- Don't tell CtP about the new forum!

There has obviously been a serious breach of OpSec here. Heads will roll.

But don't think you'll get past our Beta Forum Security. We have retina-matchers and CCTV and sensitised touchpads and fingerprint checkers and all this other stuff you don't need to know about.

You Shall Not Pass!

http://wovennickels.com/Images/YouShallNotPass2.jpg

Who will be the last one to post on Jolt NSG and what prize should they get? I say, Neanderthal Burger.

Except when its just a cigar.

It's NEVER "just a cigar".

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/7273/starr_wars.jpg

You Shall Not Pass!

I always thought that Gandalf would have sounded a lot more badass if he had worded it "Thou shalt not pass", and the Balrog had asked "What do you mean? An African or an European swallow?".