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Missing Link possibly found.

Londim
20-05-2009, 21:35
May 19, 2009—Meet "Ida," the small "missing link" found in Germany that's created a big media splash and will likely continue to make waves among those who study human origins.

In a new book, documentary, and promotional Web site, paleontologist Jorn Hurum, who led the team that analyzed the 47-million-year-old fossil seen above, suggests Ida is a critical missing-link species in primate evolution (interactive guide to human evolution from National Geographic magazine).

(Among the team members was University of Michigan paleontologist Philip Gingerich, a member of the Committee for Research and Exploration of the National Geographic Society, which owns National Geographic News.)

The fossil, he says, bridges the evolutionary split between higher primates such as monkeys, apes, and humans and their more distant relatives such as lemurs.

"This is the first link to all humans," Hurum, of the Natural History Museum in Oslo, Norway, said in a statement. Ida represents "the closest thing we can get to a direct ancestor."

Ida, properly known as Darwinius masillae, has a unique anatomy. The lemur-like skeleton features primate-like characteristics, including grasping hands, opposable thumbs, clawless digits with nails, and relatively short limbs.

"This specimen looks like a really early fossil monkey that belongs to the group that includes us," said Brian Richmond, a biological anthropologist at George Washington University in Washington, D.C., who was not involved in the study, published this week in the journal PLoS ONE.

But there's a big gap in the fossil record from this time period, Richmond noted. Researchers are unsure when and where the primate group that includes monkeys, apes, and humans split from the other group of primates that includes lemurs.

"[Ida] is one of the important branching points on the evolutionary tree," Richmond said, "but it's not the only branching point."

At least one aspect of Ida is unquestionably unique: her incredible preservation, unheard of in specimens from the Eocene era, when early primates underwent a period of rapid evolution. (Explore a prehistoric time line.)

"From this time period there are very few fossils, and they tend to be an isolated tooth here or maybe a tailbone there," Richmond explained. "So you can't say a whole lot of what that [type of fossil] represents in terms of evolutionary history or biology."

In Ida's case, scientists were able to examine fossil evidence of fur and soft tissue and even picked through the remains of her last meal: fruits, seeds, and leaves.

What's more, the newly described "missing link" was found in Germany's Messel Pit. Ida's European origins are intriguing, Richmond said, because they could suggest—contrary to common assumptions—that the continent was an important area for primate evolution.



Souce (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090519-missing-link-found.html)

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/images/090519-missing-link-found_big.jpg

One more point for Science! Anywho are we finally piecing together that puzzle known as human evolution?
Lunatic Goofballs
20-05-2009, 21:38
Half lemur, half primate; It's a primur!

...or a lemate.
Ring of Isengard
20-05-2009, 21:38
That's the picture google has today.
Dragontide
20-05-2009, 21:42
She is our great, great, great,..... aunt.
What I want to know is: Is she somehow related to this (http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/04/16/microbes.antarctic.discovery/)?
United Dependencies
20-05-2009, 21:45
I thought we were looking for the missing link between humans and apes. I guess I herd wrong.
Dragontide
20-05-2009, 21:55
I thought we were looking for the missing link between humans and apes. I guess I herd wrong.

It's the closest thing to a missing link to date.
Pirated Corsairs
20-05-2009, 21:56
I thought we were looking for the missing link between humans and apes. I guess I herd wrong.

And here I was thinking we wanted to fill every gap in our scientific knowledge that we could, wherever it may be. But I guess that's crazy talk, as we can only look for one thing at a time!
United Dependencies
20-05-2009, 22:04
Sorry I didn't realize there were multiple missing links in the human evolution tree.
Rambhutan
20-05-2009, 22:05
I think it is no coincidence that a fossil planted by the vast international conspiracy of atheist commie scientists would provide evidence for evolution.
Ifreann
20-05-2009, 22:07
I think it is no coincidence that a fossil planted by the vast international conspiracy of atheist commie scientists would provide evidence for evolution.

That 'skeleton' is undeniably of Satanic design.
G3N13
20-05-2009, 22:15
Isn't every "new" fossilized animal species a 'missing' link? :confused:

:tongue:
Chumblywumbly
20-05-2009, 22:17
I thought we were looking for the missing link between humans and apes.
As far as I know, the term is a a poor one (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8057465.stm):

Independent experts are keen to see the new fossil but somewhat sceptical of any claim that it could be "a missing link".

Dr Henry Gee, a senior editor at the journal Nature, said the term itself was misleading and that the scientific community would need to evaluate its significance.

"It's extremely nice to have a new find and it will be well-studied," he said. But he added that it was not likely to be in the same league as major discoveries such as "Flores man" or feathered dinosaurs.
South Lorenya
20-05-2009, 22:27
I thought we were looking for the missing link between humans and apes. I guess I herd wrong.

Nah, they already found (http://www.bushorchimp.com/) that one.
Lunatic Goofballs
20-05-2009, 22:31
I wonder what it tasted like.
Rambhutan
20-05-2009, 22:32
I wonder what it tasted like.

Archaeopteryx
Ifreann
20-05-2009, 22:36
Archaeopteryx

AKA, chicken.
Chumblywumbly
20-05-2009, 22:38
Archaeopteryx
*is amused*
No true scotsman
20-05-2009, 22:39
You've been on NSG too long when the first thought that crosses your mind when you read 'missing link', is that it's going to be about people not showing their sources. :(
Galloism
20-05-2009, 22:40
You've been on NSG too long when the first thought that crosses your mind when you read 'missing link', is that it's going to be about people not showing their sources. :(

Dude - You've only been here three months.
Dragontide
20-05-2009, 22:45
You've been on NSG too long when the first thought that crosses your mind when you read 'missing link', is that it's going to be about people not showing their sources. :(

It can be confusing. Google features the "missing link" on their front page today. How many will think it means the site is broken?
:p
Lunatic Goofballs
20-05-2009, 22:56
Archaeopteryx

Mmm... Archaeopteryx.
The Tofu Islands
20-05-2009, 23:01
I thought we were looking for the missing link between humans and apes. I guess I herd wrong.

There is no 'missing link' between humans and apes. Humans are apes.
No true scotsman
20-05-2009, 23:10
Dude - You've only been here three months.

I watched an hour of O'Reilly last night.

If an hour can be too long, three months certainly can. :D
Galloism
20-05-2009, 23:11
I watched an hour of O'Reilly last night.

Masochist.
No true scotsman
20-05-2009, 23:14
Masochist.

I like to be informed. :)
Galloism
20-05-2009, 23:16
I like to be informed. :)

Which is the complete opposite of watching Bill O'Reilly.

To quote a movie:

"Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
Conserative Morality
20-05-2009, 23:18
Hopefully, another lead in the blow against Young Earth Creationists, forcing those few who are clamoring for evidence to either shut up, or stop spouting their garbage.
Galloism
20-05-2009, 23:21
Hopefully, another lead in the blow against Young Earth Creationists, forcing those few who are clamoring for evidence to either shut up, or stop spouting their garbage.

I loled. :p
No true scotsman
20-05-2009, 23:23
Which is the complete opposite of watching Bill O'Reilly.

To quote a movie:

"Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

:) I didn't say O'Reilly was the sum of me getting informed. I probably watch 8 hours of televised news-related content on an average day, of which the (so-called) 'No Spin Zone' may (or may not) form a fraction.
Conserative Morality
20-05-2009, 23:26
I loled. :p

*checks spelling* Wait, what did I do/say? :confused:
Galloism
20-05-2009, 23:28
*checks spelling* Wait, what did I do/say? :confused:

Reread what you said from a cynical point of view.
Conserative Morality
20-05-2009, 23:32
Reread what you said from a cynical point of view.

I see. Perhaps you need a dose of 'Obama' Brand tm hope! The cure for the cynic in you!:wink:
Ryadn
20-05-2009, 23:46
It may, possibly, be a missing link. A. Not the, because that would imply there's only one. However, over millions and millions of years of evolution--around 6-8 million years since we branched off from our common ancestor with bonobos--there have to have been thousands of transitional forms. Hundreds of thousands. Lucy's kids didn't wake up one day, crack their backs and decide to walk solely upright for the rest of existence. The search for the "missing link" is like a search for Shakespeare's "lost folio"--if he'd changed five words in each successive version from the first rough draft to the last printing.
Wilgrove
21-05-2009, 00:30
Which is the complete opposite of watching Bill O'Reilly.

To quote a movie:

"Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Billy Madison was the movie.

As for the article, I wonder if they'll do a computer model of what it looked like. That'd be interesting to see.
The Lone Alliance
21-05-2009, 01:15
Hopefully, another lead in the blow against Young Earth Creationists, forcing those few who are clamoring for evidence to either shut up, or stop spouting their garbage.
Oh I can't wait to listen to their reactions.
Conserative Morality
21-05-2009, 01:17
Oh I can't wait to listen to their reactions.

"Obviously a lie constructed by God to lead the unfaithful away."
Extreme Ironing
21-05-2009, 13:58
Seems New Scientist (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17173-why-ida-fossil-is-not-the-missing-link.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news) disagrees with the 'missing link' title.

The whole thing does seem a little over-hyped.
Galloism
21-05-2009, 14:02
Billy Madison was the movie.

Couldn't think of the name of it to save my life, and was too lazy to Google it.
Neo Bretonnia
21-05-2009, 15:21
One more point for Science! Anywho are we finally piecing together that puzzle known as human evolution?

What for? Debate any Evolutionist and they'll gladly tell you that was done a long time ago. :rolleyes:
The Alma Mater
21-05-2009, 15:46
What for? Debate any Evolutionist and they'll gladly tell you that was done a long time ago. :rolleyes:

But ask a creationist, and they will disagree. After all, if you have:

EVO.U.ION

It is obvious the complete answer MUST be "CREATION !" No missing links at all !
Hairless Kitten
21-05-2009, 15:49
But ask a creationist, and they will disagree. After all, if you have:

EVO.U.ION

It is obvious the complete answer MUST be "CREATION !" No missing links at all !

Is that club, the creationist, still alive? I thought they evolved (ha!) to Intelligent Designers.

But I guess I missed some episodes. :)
Neo Bretonnia
21-05-2009, 16:14
But ask a creationist, and they will disagree. After all, if you have:

EVO.U.ION

It is obvious the complete answer MUST be "CREATION !" No missing links at all !

...not actually where I was going with that but hey, whatever floats your boat ;)