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Yes, Westboro Baptist Church pastor and members will fly to Scotland and conduct these religious education, protest, and warning pickets; to wit: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked" Gal. 6:7. Scotland once blazed with Gospel light, in the days of the likes of John Brown and other able and sanctified Puritans and men of God. It is a moral and spiritual tragedy that such a matter as the pervert Scott Rennie should even be entertained. The curse of God is on Scotland. She is beyond redemption.

God Hates Scotland – Land of the Sodomite Damned.
Source (http://www.indymediascotland.org/sites/default/files/Westboro%20Baptists%20poster.pdf) (.pdf)

Despite the UK government banning entry to Mr. Phelps and other members of everyone's favourite little clique, some are attempting to enter Scotland and picket the Church of Scotland General Assembly (basically the Kirk's AGM) in Edinburgh this Saturday.

The General Assembly will be ruling whether Scott Rennie, the only openly gay minister in the Kirk, who lives with his partner in the manse at Brechin Cathedral, should be allowed to take up the post of minister of Queen's Cross Church in Aberdeen after certain church figures objected (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6222672.ece).

What's brilliant, apart from Scotland now apparently being 'beyond redemption', is that this protest will most probably push the General Assembly even further towards supporting Mr. Rennie's appointment. Although the highly conservative section of the Kirk is very vocal, it's marginal.

Some media is suggesting that this could split the church in the same way that it's doing to the Anglicans, but I think reports of the death of the Kirk are greatly exaggerated. I also find it odd that Westboro mention John Brown, who wasn't a member of the Kirk, and refrain from mentioning John Knox; certainly the most famous member of the church and one of the most influential persons in the entire Reformed tradition.

Anyhoo, I wondered if folks from the other side of the Pond had any suggestions with what to do with these lovely people once they get to this braw wee country. (There's already a protest being organised by Indymedia Scotland.)

I'll get back to being hated by God.

God Hates Scotland

Who doesn't? :p

Join them.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_end_is_not_for_a_while.png

I just wish this guy would croak already since that's seemingly the only way people will learn to ignore him.

God hates haggis.

You should watch Louis Theroux's documentary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Hated_Family_in_America) on the Phelps. It's class.

Awww bugger! I was hopping you guys would put him in one of those iron maidens.

God hates haggis.

The Scots did not invent haggis, the Romans did.

I've been to Scotland...

I'm inclined to agree with this God fellow :p

Also what will stop them from crossing the border into England if they get into Scotland? I don't think the sign 'Welcome to England' will stop them.

The Scots did not invent haggis, the Romans did.

So it was some kind of punishment?

The Scots did not invent haggis, the Romans did.

They steal anything that isn't nailed down, won't they? Damn scots.

God hates haggis.
You're just jealous you didn't think of it first.


You should watch Louis Theroux's documentary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Hated_Family_in_America) on the Phelps. It's class.
I saw it when it was on TV.

When he's talking to the wee kids who live with the community, it brought a lump to my throat.

They steal anything that isn't nailed down, won't they? Damn scots.
That's bloody racist.

*nabs your dosh*


I just wish this guy would croak already since that's seemingly the only way people will learn to ignore him.
I see it as a sign that Scotland, or at least the Kirk, must be doing something right if Westboro feel the need to travel over 4,500 miles to a place that's got 60 times less people than the US.


Also what will stop them from crossing the border into England if they get into Scotland? I don't think the sign 'Welcome to England' will stop them.
That'll teach you to send money up here.

The curse of God is on Scotland. She is beyond redemption.
I'm sure that the Wee Frees will concur.

Finally attaining "beyond redemption" status sounds brilliant, though. Does that mean that we can stop trying now?

So it was some kind of punishment?
It's a little harsh. No one deserves haggis.
They steal anything that isn't nailed down, won't they? Damn scots.

Indeed, they didn't even invent the bagpipes- the Persians did.

Oh dear. If they've come to bring out the fundamentalists in the Kirk they'll have a hell of a job finding them. The Church of Scotland is most likely the least offensive religious group in the world. If they really wanted to stir up some religious fervor, they should wave placards declaring 'God hates the Hoops' and 'Gordon Strachan will burn in hell'.

I'm sure that the Wee Frees will concur.
Strange lot, them.

Finally attaining "beyond redemption" status sounds brilliant, though. Does that mean that we can stop trying now?
Presumably.

Though living the debauched bourgeois lifestyle that is being a student in the West End of Glasgow, I'm inclined to think we've been beyond redemption for quite some time now.

Possibly ever since Sunshine on Leith was released...


If they really wanted to stir up some religious fervor, they should wave placards declaring 'God hates the Hoops' and 'Gordon Strachan will burn in hell'.
Epic lulz.

Strange lot, them.
Indeed.

I'm inclined to think we've been beyond redemption for quite some time now.

Possibly ever since Sunshine on Leith was released...
Nah... Sunshine On Leith was grim, yes, but that particular slide was arrested by Primal Scream's efforts over the couple of years that followed it. Our true point of no return came when The Herald's readers voted for Jimmy Krankie as "The Most Scottish Person In The World" in 2003.

My head went down that day. :(

Source (http://www.indymediascotland.org/sites/default/files/Westboro%20Baptists%20poster.pdf) (.pdf)

Despite the UK government banning entry to Mr. Phelps and other members of everyone's favourite little clique, some are attempting to enter Scotland and picket the Church of Scotland General Assembly (basically the Kirk's AGM) in Edinburgh this Saturday.

The General Assembly will be ruling whether Scott Rennie, the only openly gay minister in the Kirk, who lives with his partner in the manse at Brechin Cathedral, should be allowed to take up the post of minister of Queen's Cross Church in Aberdeen after certain church figures objected (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6222672.ece).

What's brilliant, apart from Scotland now apparently being 'beyond redemption', is that this protest will most probably push the General Assembly even further towards supporting Mr. Rennie's appointment. Although the highly conservative section of the Kirk is very vocal, it's marginal.

Some media is suggesting that this could split the church in the same way that it's doing to the Anglicans, but I think reports of the death of the Kirk are greatly exaggerated. I also find it odd that Westboro mention John Brown, who wasn't a member of the Kirk, and refrain from mentioning John Knox; certainly the most famous member of the church and one of the most influential persons in the entire Reformed tradition.

Anyhoo, I wondered if folks from the other side of the Pond had any suggestions with what to do with these lovely people once they get to this braw wee country. (There's already a protest being organised by Indymedia Scotland.)

I'll get back to being hated by God.
you need to go to the protest.

everyone hates westboro. everyone from all possible points of view will be there to protest these assholes. it tends brings these people together, uniting in their anti-asshole passion.

its an event not to be missed.

and welcome to the godhates club!

...

and welcome to the godhates club!

Yes! Welcome!

Bring the scotch. Don't bring the haggis.

Remember to wear your skirts...sorry kilts - that will really scare the Westboro lot.

Yes! Welcome!

Bring the scotch. Don't bring the haggis.

Urgh! Scottish whistkey is dank.

Urgh! Scottish whistkey is dank.

Now is dank good or bad, I am still confused

Now is dank good or bad, I am still confused

Bad, gramps, it means bad.

Bad, gramps, it means bad.

But I am sure in the medical marijuana thread it meant good.

But I am sure in the medical marijuana thread it meant good.

Yeah, well that guy seemed to be wrecked.

Yeah, well that guy seemed to be wrecked.

That's because the weed was dank

That's because the weed was dank

I hate the English language.

I hate the English language.

If you hate English, wait till you hear some Finnish!

Ärsyttääkö jo? Etkö osaa ilman netti-kääntäjää? Paha juttu sulle!

If you hate English, wait till you hear some Finnish!

Ärsyttääkö jo? Etkö osaa ilman netti-kääntäjää? Paha juttu sulle!

Jesus Christ! How many of those little dots do you guys wanna use!?

Remember to wear your skirts...sorry kilts - that will really scare the Westboro lot.

Especially on a breezy day. :D

Pfft, God hated Ireland first. Damned Scots.

I've been to Scotland...

I'm inclined to agree with this God fellow :p

Also what will stop them from crossing the border into England if they get into Scotland? I don't think the sign 'Welcome to England' will stop them.

Well they're banned from the UK not just England... since both Scotland and England are in the UK, somehow I don't think they're going to make it to Scotland at all.

Well they're banned from the UK not just England... since both Scotland and England are in the UK, somehow I don't think they're going to make it to Scotland at all.

Meh, our government are pussies who roll over for anyone.

Jesus Christ! How many of those little dots do you guys wanna use!?

They're called umlauts. Same letters are used in for example German.

They're called umlauts. Same letters are used in for example German.

Why over complicated things? How do you even type those?

Why over complicated things? How do you even type those?

With different keyboards. In Finnish keyboards they're next to enter.

Rather than rely on external media to get a clear picture, I've just had a lengthy phone conversation with a family member who is highly involved in the Kirk, and who'll be attending the General Assembly on Saturday to discuss Mr. Rennie's appointment.

Some interesting things were said:
the vote will probably be quite even, with Rennie's appointment upheld.
there's a large swathe of opinion in the church on the matter
for many, Rennie's homosexuality isn't the problem, it's the fact that he's been living with another partner (never mind their gender or sexuality), separated from his wife, which ruffles feathers
a major problem is that the Kirk hasn't got a clear policy on the issue, and has kinda been avoiding this debate for some time
there are already many gay and lesbian ministers in the church, some openly and with partners, but Rennie is the only minster in an active non-celibate relationship
there's some talk, and this must be stressed as talk, that Rennie didn't quite know what he was letting himself in for; that those within the Kirk who want the issue of homosexuality to be discussed may have applied pressure on him to make his appointment a vocal issue
what can be said for certain is that nobody within the Kirk is taking any notice of Westboro members; most feel it's none of the Phelps' damn business

As ever, the issue is far more nuanced than the papers let on.


Our true point of no return came when The Herald's readers voted for Jimmy Krankie as "The Most Scottish Person In The World" in 2003.
Worst. Scot. Ever.


you need to go to the protest...

and welcome to the godhates club!
Yes! Welcome!

Bring the scotch. Don't bring the haggis.
I'll certainly bring some whisky along, but you should really try some of McSweeny's vegetarian haggis.

It kicks the shit.


Remember to wear your skirts...sorry kilts - that will really scare the Westboro lot.
Something like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUkGXULz54c) (watch to the end)?

Rather than rely on external media to get a clear picture, I've just had a lengthy phone conversation with a family member who is highly involved in the Kirk, and who'll be attending the General Assembly on Saturday to discuss Mr. Rennie's appointment.

Some interesting things were said:
the vote will probably be quite even, with Rennie's appointment upheld.
there's a large swathe of opinion in the church on the matter
for many, Rennie's homosexuality isn't the problem, it's the fact that he's been living with another partner (never mind their gender or sexuality), separated from his wife, which ruffles feathers
a major problem is that the Kirk hasn't got a clear policy on the issue, and has kinda been avoiding this debate for some time
there are already many gay and lesbian ministers in the church, some openly and with partners, but Rennie is the only minster in an active non-celibate relationship
there's some talk, and this must be stressed as talk, that Rennie didn't quite know what he was letting himself in for; that those within the Kirk who want the issue of homosexuality to be discussed may have applied pressure on him to make his appointment a vocal issue
what can be said for certain is that nobody within the Kirk is taking any notice of Westboro members; most feel it's none of the Phelps' damn business

As ever, the issue is far more nuanced than the papers let on.



Worst. Scot. Ever.




I'll certainly bring some whisky along, but you should really try some of McSweeny's vegetarian haggis.

It kicks the shit.



Something like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUkGXULz54c) (watch to the end)?

Vegetarian haggis? How is that possible?

Ah the Kirk, it's Christianity Jim but not as we know it.

Well they're banned from the UK not just England... since both Scotland and England are in the UK, somehow I don't think they're going to make it to Scotland at all.
Only Fred Phelps and his daughter are banned from entering the UK.

It's quite possible that other members may come into Scotland.


Vegetarian haggis? How is that possible?
The same way that a vegetarian sausage is possible.

Though veggie haggis is a heck of a lot more tasty than veggie sausage; it's made from nuts, spices, oatmeal and other such things.


Pfft, God hated Ireland first. Damned Scots.
Hod yer whist, ye bam.

Only Fred Phelps and his daughter are banned from entering the UK.

It's quite possible that other members may come into Scotland.



The same way that a vegetarian sausage is possible.

Though veggie haggis is a heck of a lot more tasty than veggie sausage; it's made from nuts, spices, oatmeal and other such things.



Hod yer whist, ye bam.

Oatmeal? Is that porridge?

Hod yer whist, ye bam.

Ah, póg mo thoin, ya aul gobshite.

Ah, póg mo thoin, ya aul gobshite.

I have no idea what you guys are saying...

but I feel the sudden urge to ask, "What's this all aboot?"

Wasn't there something about killing scots in the old version of the english national anthem?

Wasn't there something about killing scots in the old version of the english national anthem?

No, just crushing them - they like it really.

Oatmeal? Is that porridge?
Porridge is what folks in the US call oatmeal.

But the distinctions hazy; I'd call oatmeal the stuff you make porridge out of.


I have no idea what you guys are saying...

but I feel the sudden urge to ask, "What's this all aboot?"
I just told Ifreann to stop talking bollocks in Scots, and he told me to kiss his ass in Irish Gaelic.


Wasn't there something about killing scots in the old version of the english national anthem?
There's an omitted verse about crushing rebellious Scots, but as Rambhutan says, we secretly love it.

Culloden was great; the Highland Clearances, even better.

There's an omitted verse about crushing rebellious Scots, but as Rambhutan says, we secretly love it.


Ah Ha! I knew you were all secretly masochists!

Well they're banned from the UK not just England... since both Scotland and England are in the UK, somehow I don't think they're going to make it to Scotland at all.

And here we were hoping that the US would sneak in an ban them while they were out of the coutnry... :p

Why over complicated things? How do you even type those?

With different keyboards. In Finnish keyboards they're next to enter.

There's also this thing called "character map" in PCs....

Ah the Kirk, it's Christianity Jim but not as we know it.
Fag-hating, across the universe? :D

Fag-hating, across the universe? :D

Only going forward cos we can't find reverse.

Only going forward cos we can't find reverse.
:D There's Phelpses off the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow...

Hmm... they'll be picketing in Aberdeen this weekend. I might swing by before work; I can't shake the vision of just the one, very irate guy with a billboard screeching on Union Street. Which wouldn't make that much of a difference, to be honest.

EDIT: Actually, they'll be picketing Aberdeen on the Sunday if this Rennie chap gets elected. I'll see if I can't stop by, then.

If you hate English, wait till you hear some Finnish!

Ärsyttääkö jo? Etkö osaa ilman netti-kääntäjää? Paha juttu sulle!

Wow... I've always liked the way Finnish sounded, but remind me never to try and spell anything! :p

Of course God hates Scotland...it's a blasphemous, heathen land of bagpipes, kilts, and brutal golf courses.

Ah the Kirk, it's Christianity Jim but not as we know it.

Fag-hating, across the universe? :D

Only going forward cos we can't find reverse.

:D There's Phelpses off the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow...

"Umm.... Mister Sulu? Why aren't we changing courses? Sulu, we don't go that way. Sulu!?"

Oatmeal? Is that porridge?

Indeed it is lad, I could go with a bowl right now, with brown sugar and honey.

You should watch Louis Theroux's documentary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Hated_Family_in_America) on the Phelps. It's class.

Any way I can watch that online?

Pfft, God hated Ireland first. Damned Scots.

That's what you get for Allowing St. Patrick to do whatever it is that he did!

Something like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUkGXULz54c) (watch to the end)?

Deadliest Warrior actually had a match up between Shaolin Monk and Maori Warrior last night. The dance done by the New Zealand rugby team was done by Maori Warriors to get their blood flowing and to intimidate the enemies. When they stick their tongue out, they're saying "First I'm going to kill you, then I'm going to eat you." They actually did eat their slain enemies, to gain their mana, and for honor of their ancestors.

Shaolin Monks just messes you up with their steel weapons. Of course the Shaolin Monks won last night.

Only Fred Phelps and his daughter are banned from entering the UK.

How could the UK government be so short sighted? Yes I'm surprised the Phelps actually reproduced (do they keep it in the family?) but comon, you gotta take in the possibility that they do reproduce!

It's quite possible that other members may come into Scotland.

You know how like Princess Di was killed? Could y'all make that happen again, but with the Phelps family, please?

Wasn't there something about killing scots in the old version of the english national anthem?

Only the rebellious ones. And rightly so.

You know how like Princess Di was killed? Could y'all make that happen again, but with the Phelps family, please?

Liquor up their driver then chase them with papparazzi?

Liquor up their driver then chase them with papparazzi?

Yep! :D

I want god to hate Australia. Mainly because I want to picket back at somebody, but so far I haven't found a cause worthy enough.

I want god to hate Australia. Mainly because I want to picket back at somebody, but so far I haven't found a cause worthy enough.

Does Australia allow gay marriage?

Well if they are in Scotland I say we dont let them come back to the US. It is now the UK's problem.

Well if they are in Scotland I say we dont let them come back to the US. It is now the UK's problem.

How would we keep them out when we can't even keep the US/Mexico border secured?

Does Australia allow gay marriage?

No :(

We do have a Mardi gras every year though. Does that count?

EDIT: Well, it actually looks like we got off kinda easy (http://www.godhatestheworld.com/australia/filthymanneroflife.html), by their standards. I mean, except for the divorce thing. Damn :(

No :(

We do have a Mardi gras every year though. Does that count?

Nah, Australia has to approve gay marriage, then they'll spend thousands to come protest it.

How would we keep them out when we can't even keep the US/Mexico border secured?

That's easy. there is an ocean between us. So you do that thing where the airports stop them getting on a plane. So they can't get on the plane in the UK.
The Mexico US border has a big sparsely populated desert that provided you bring enough water and food you can walk across.

That's easy. there is an ocean between us. So you do that thing where the airports stop them getting on a plane. So they can't get on the plane in the UK.
The Mexico US border has a big sparsely populated desert that provided you bring enough water and food you can walk across.

They could fly to Mexico and walk across.

They could fly to Mexico and walk across.

better not let them off of the island at all then.

the Church of Scotland General Assembly (basically the Kirk's AGM) in Edinburgh
The Church of Scotland's General Assembly is James Tiberius Kirk's Air-to-Ground Missile? :eek2:

;)

I'll get back to being hated by God.
Hate him back!

:D

Actually, hate the stupid fundies from the other bank of the pond, chase them and feed them to Nessie...

better not let them off of the island at all then.

So kill them, got it.

So kill them, got it.

If thats how the poeple in the UK want to deal with them it shoudl not concern US Americans.

If thats how the poeple in the UK want to deal with them it shoudl not concern US Americans.

But they need to have their remains consecrated by a gay minister and buried in a gay cemetary or they'll wreak vengeance beyond the grave:

http://www.nndb.com/people/908/000025833/FredPhelps.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jik6l8S-egU/R9uKu3c2JsI/AAAAAAAAAMY/cBYy_CqtEoI/s400/jbecknew.jpg

But they need to have their remains consecrated by a gay minister and buried in a gay cemetary or they'll wreak vengeance beyond the grave:

http://www.nndb.com/people/908/000025833/FredPhelps.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jik6l8S-egU/R9uKu3c2JsI/AAAAAAAAAMY/cBYy_CqtEoI/s400/jbecknew.jpg

I think by a gay wiccan would be better.

Wow... I've always liked the way Finnish sounded, but remind me never to try and spell anything! :p


IIRC, Finnish is the second or the third hardest language.

Indeed it is lad, I could go with a bowl right now, with brown sugar and honey.
I couldn't agree more.
Well if they are in Scotland I say we dont let them come back to the US. It is now the UK's problem.

Hell noes, we're not having another Maddona.

IIRC, Finnish is the second or the third hardest language.

Meh, atleast that is your first language, think of the poor bastards that have to learn it as a second.

Meh, atleast that is your first language, think of the poor bastards that have to learn it as a second.

Yeah, but Finland is a bilingual country. We speak Finnish and Swedish but only about 5% speak Swedish.

Hell noes, we're not having another Maddona.

Yes you will take them.
Just because your a good ally of the US.
We promise Obama will give better gifts next time.

Yeah, but Finland is a bilingual country. We speak Finnish and Swedish but only about 5% speak Swedish.
Don't allot of people in Scandinavia (though Finland isn't really in it) speak english very well. Cos everyone I've ever met from there has spoken fluently.
Yes you will take them.
Just because your a good ally of the US.
We promise Obama will give better gifts next time.

:mad: Damn the special relationship to hell.

:mad: Damn the special relationship to hell.

lol. if you didn't have it you would already be on the Euro.

lol. if you didn't have it you would already be on the Euro.

Fuck the Euro. Thanks a bunch. :mad:

Fuck the Euro. Thanks a buncg. :mad:

And that is why your going to keep the phelps for us.

And that is why your going to keep the phelps for us.

Why not give him to somewhere that deserves him? Or else put him in Guantanamo?

Why not give him to somewhere that deserves him? Or else put him in Guantanamo?

Obama is closing gitmo. you should have encouraged Americans to vote McCain if you wanted that option.

Don't allot of people in Scandinavia (though Finland isn't really in it) speak english very well. Cos everyone I've ever met from there has spoken fluently.


We use the term Pohjoismaat(Nordic Countries). This includes Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Iceland. And, yeah everybody I know can speak English fluently except the middle-aged and the elderly.

Fuck the Euro. Thanks a bunch. :mad:

Hey, the Euro isn't so bad. At least not to my experience.

We use the term Pohjoismaat(Nordic Countries). This includes Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Iceland. And, yeah everybody I know can speak English fluently except the middle-aged and the elderly.

So, it's just kids that can then.

Why don't you use the term Scandinavia?

Hey, the Euro isn't so bad. At least not to my experience.

The Euro is a bad, bad thing. I dislike the whole idea.

So, it's just kids that can then.

Why don't you use the term Scandinavia?

Well, we do use it but not usually. We use the term Nordic countries probably because we're in it. And not just kids can speak Finnish, it's also people in their twenties and thirties.

The Euro is a bad, bad thing. I dislike the whole idea.

I would say that it was a good thing for Finland. But, what suited us might not suit you.

Well, we do use it but not usually. We use the term Nordic countries probably because we're in it. And not just kids can speak Finnish, it's also people in their twenties and thirties..

Oh, so you like had a reformation of your education system or something? Wait... shouldn't you be at school?

I would say that it was a good thing for Finland. But, what suited us might not suit you.

In a few years it'll suit the UK, but not me personally.

I would say that it was a good thing for Finland. But, what suited us might not suit you.

To be honest I think the UK would be happier joining NAFTA then being in the EU.

To be honest I think the UK would be happier joining NAFTA then being in the EU.

lolwut? We're not in north america.

lolwut? We're not in north america.

just change America to Atlantic easy fix.

just change America to Atlantic easy fix.

Could work.

lolwut? We're not in north america.

It's really in the Atlantic block of economies however, despite all the EU ties. The US is the biggest customer of the UK.

Could work.

A lot more domestic control in our trading block. Suits Anglo sphere countries better I think.

Why don't we do something like that then?

Oh, so you like had a reformation of your education system or something? Wait... shouldn't you be at school?


Yeah, in the sixties there was a massive school reformation but they still didn't have English as a subject. I think it came as a subject in the saventies or the eighties. And, I don't have school today or tomorrow. Today, it's because it's Helatorstai( translated as The Thursday of the Ascension of Jesus.)


In a few years it'll suit the UK, but not me personally.

You'll get used to it.

Yeah, in the sixties there was a massive school reformation but they still didn't have English as a subject. I think it came as a subject in the saventies or the eighties. And, I don't have school today or tomorrow. Today, it's because it's Helatorstai( translated as The Thursday of the Ascension of Jesus.).
So, you get time off, while I have to revise. ffs.



You'll get used to it

That'll make it worse.

So, you get time off, while I have to revise. ffs.

Basically yeah.




That'll make it worse.

But, soon you won't mind it and become assimilated into the Colonial Collective! Muhaha! :p

Basically yeah.
Lucky shit.


But, soon you won't mind it and become assimilated into the Colonial Collective! Muhaha! :p

Hell no, I'd move to Norway where only the young would understand me.

Lucky shit.

That's good in a coutry being basically Christian. You get extra holidays.




Hell no, I'd move to Norway where only the young would understand me.

Note, that I can only speak for Finland. I don't know how many know English there.

That's good in a coutry being basically Christian. You get extra holidays.
I agree with that! Holidays galore!

I agree with that! Holidays galore!

Yeah, even though I'm basically an atheist, I'll take the extra holidays, thanks.

Yeah, even though I'm basically an atheist, I'll take the extra holidays, thanks.

Yeah, but you have to go to some camp thing, don't you?

Yeah, but you have to go to some camp thing, don't you?

Yeah, in two weeks. But, I don't think that it wil be so bad. I can manage ten days.

Yeah, in two weeks. But, I don't think that it wil be so bad. I can manage ten days.

You're a braver man than I.

You're a braver man than I.

Thank you, but ten days of religious stuff ain't bad. And with some comics, scifi and other books I'll make it.

Source (http://www.indymediascotland.org/sites/default/files/Westboro%20Baptists%20poster.pdf) (.pdf)

Despite the UK government banning entry to Mr. Phelps and other members of everyone's favourite little clique, some are attempting to enter Scotland and picket the Church of Scotland General Assembly (basically the Kirk's AGM) in Edinburgh this Saturday.

The General Assembly will be ruling whether Scott Rennie, the only openly gay minister in the Kirk, who lives with his partner in the manse at Brechin Cathedral, should be allowed to take up the post of minister of Queen's Cross Church in Aberdeen after certain church figures objected (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6222672.ece).

What's brilliant, apart from Scotland now apparently being 'beyond redemption', is that this protest will most probably push the General Assembly even further towards supporting Mr. Rennie's appointment. Although the highly conservative section of the Kirk is very vocal, it's marginal.

Some media is suggesting that this could split the church in the same way that it's doing to the Anglicans, but I think reports of the death of the Kirk are greatly exaggerated. I also find it odd that Westboro mention John Brown, who wasn't a member of the Kirk, and refrain from mentioning John Knox; certainly the most famous member of the church and one of the most influential persons in the entire Reformed tradition.

Anyhoo, I wondered if folks from the other side of the Pond had any suggestions with what to do with these lovely people once they get to this braw wee country. (There's already a protest being organised by Indymedia Scotland.)

I'll get back to being hated by God.

God hates Scotland? I knew it!

Why don't you use the term Scandinavia?

Scandinavia would be only Norway and Sweden (I cannot remember if Finnland is considered to be part of the Scandinavian peninsula).

Scandinavia would be only Norway and Sweden (I cannot remember if Finnland is considered to be part of the Scandinavian peninsula).

I thought that was denmark too.

It's really in the Atlantic block of economies however, despite all the EU ties. The US is the biggest customer of the UK.

Huh? About half of UK exports is to the EU, and less than twenty per cent to to the US. Or so I heard.

Huh? About half of UK exports is to the EU, and less than twenty per cent to to the US. Or so I heard.

From?

I thought that was denmark too.

wiki:scandinavia

Scandinavia[1] is a historical and geographical region in northern Europe that includes, and is named after, the Scandinavian Peninsula. It consists of the kingdoms of Norway, Sweden, and Denmark;[2] some authorities argue for the inclusion of Finland and Iceland[3][4], in Scandinavia the term is, however, used unambiguously for Denmark, Norway and Sweden, which share a mutually intelligible language (a dialect continuum), ethnic composition and have close cultural and historic bonds, to a degree that Scandinavians may be considered one people (see scandinavism).


To sum it up, there are too many different meanings to Scandinavia (it can indicate the Scandinavian Peninsula, or the three Nordic kingdoms, or even more countries).

Any way I can watch that online?

[Obama voice]Yes, you can! (http://www.atheistnation.net/video/?video/00260/atheist/the-most-hated-family-in-america/)[/Obama voice]

From?

I'll dig it up, wait a sec.

Edit:

CIA World Factbook: (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/uk.html#Econ)

Exports - partners:

US 14.2%, Germany 11.1%, France 8.1%, Ireland 8%, Netherlands 6.8%, Belgium 5.3%, Spain 4.5%, Italy 4.1% (2007)

wiki:scandinavia



Scandinavia[1] is a historical and geographical region in northern Europe that includes, and is named after, the Scandinavian Peninsula. It consists of the kingdoms of Norway, Sweden, and Denmark

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia

So, you get time off, while I have to revise. ffs.





That'll make it worse.

If you support the US dropping off all our religious wackos in the UK then i can get normal UK citizens US citizenship. Then the now theocratic UK will be the EU's problem.

[Obama voice]Yes, you can! (http://www.atheistnation.net/video/?video/00260/atheist/the-most-hated-family-in-america/)[/Obama voice]

Thank you Obama! I believe! I BELIEVE! *breaks down in joyful crying*

If God already hates the entire UK, and now hates Scotland just by itself, does that mean they're gonna get doubly smited or what?

If God already hates the entire UK, and now hates Scotland just by itself, does that mean they're gonna get doubly smited or what?

Since when he hated us?

Since when he hated us?

Ever since King Henry the Eight created his own church just so he could divorce his wife.

Ever since King Henry the Eight created his own church just so he could divorce his wife.

No kidding. Guy had no idea what it means to be royalty.

He should have quietly had her killed.

Ever since King Henry the Eighth created his own church just so he could divorce his wife.
Fixed. ;)

No kidding. Guy had no idea what it means to be royalty.

He should have quietly had her killed.

He did kill some of his wives.

Since when he hated us?

Since Fred Phelps's website said so?

Since Fred Phelps's website said so?

Oh, so god listens to small minded pricks, does he? Maybe he's not as great as everyone thinks.


Btw, I thought you were ignoring me.

We use the term Pohjoismaat(Nordic Countries). This includes Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Iceland. And, yeah everybody I know can speak English fluently except the middle-aged and the elderly.

...and sometimes the drunk. Or at least that was the case when I was on a boat from Sweden to Estonia with a LOT of drunk Swedes and Finns whose English skills went from quite fluent at the beginning of the evening to, "Hey the Americans! You ummmmm Califonorna? You do sex on beach, yes, hehehehehehehehehe!" by the end. :p

Btw, I thought you were ignoring me.

I put your main account on ignore.

I put your main account on ignore.

Oh, fair enough.

...and sometimes the drunk. Or at least that was the case when I was on a boat from Sweden to Estonia with a LOT of drunk Swedes and Finns whose English skills went from quite fluent at the beginning of the evening to, "Hey the Americans! You ummmmm Califonorna? You do sex on beach, yes, hehehehehehehehehe!" by the end. :p

Oh, that's usual for Finns to go to Estonia to get cheap booze. Basically a tradition.

Oh, that's usual for Finns to go to Estonia to get cheap booze. Basically a tradition.

Heh, so several Estonians told me. You are apparently their second-least-favorite nationality. The Russians conquered their country and attempted to squelch all signs of national identity; the Finns show up on weekends and vomit everywhere. :p

Heh, so several Estonians told me. You are apparently their second-least-favorite nationality. The Russians conquered their country and attempted to squelch all signs of national identity; the Finns show up on weekends and vomit everywhere. :p

That's what we do! Get ridiculously drunk, be jerks and vomit everywhere! :p

That's what we do! Get ridiculously drunk, be jerks and vomit everywhere! :p

Ahhh, high school...

IIRC, Finnish is the second or the third hardest language.

Well, I'd think Mandarin would be slightly harder.:p

But they need to have their remains consecrated by a gay minister and buried in a gay cemetary or they'll wreak vengeance beyond the grave:

http://www.nndb.com/people/908/000025833/FredPhelps.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jik6l8S-egU/R9uKu3c2JsI/AAAAAAAAAMY/cBYy_CqtEoI/s400/jbecknew.jpg
LOL, yes, I noticed the similarity between Julian Beck and Fred Phelps long ago.

Well, I'd think Mandarin would be slightly harder.:p

Probably not, no. Finnish is nuts.

EDIT: I was in a class where Mandarin was being taught for a year. I still remember a few things, despite being 13 at the time, and really not interested. On the other hand, my cousins are Finnish and have tried to teach me some stuff. It's never, ever made sense, despite my desire to learn.

So it's Scotland that's the Land of Sodomites? I wouldn't have guessed that at all. If pressed on the question, I'd have gone with Amsterdam, maybe or San Francisco, maybe L.A. But Scotland wouldn't have even been on the list. Besides, I thought y'all were more into sheep...or is that the Welsh?

So it's Scotland that's the Land of Sodomites? I wouldn't have guessed that at all. If pressed on the question, I'd have gone with Amsterdam, maybe or San Francisco, maybe L.A. But Scotland wouldn't have even been on the list. Besides, I thought y'all were more into sheep...or is that the Welsh?

It's mainly the welsh...although I think any rural place are known for that.

It is strange when you take the train from London and you pass the border to Wales and you start to see sheep shaggers everywhere. :p However, guys like phelps probably don't like animal sex to much either.

LOL, yes, I noticed the similarity between Julian Beck and Fred Phelps long ago.

Who?

Probably not, no. Finnish is nuts.

EDIT: I was in a class where Mandarin was being taught for a year. I still remember a few things, despite being 13 at the time, and really not interested. On the other hand, my cousins are Finnish and have tried to teach me some stuff. It's never, ever made sense, despite my desire to learn.

Finland should be banned from existence.

Finland should be banned from existence.

Is it possible to ban a country?

Is it possible to ban a country?

Since July 16th 1945 yes it is possible.

However, guys like phelps probably don't like animal sex to much either.

He's probably OK with it as long as it's a female sheep. If it's a male sheep, on the other hand, that's super-evil gayness, and means extra hell-fire and brimstone for you.

Is it possible to ban a country?

The Arabs have been trying to do it to Israel for some sixty-odd years with less than stellar results so far.

Is it possible to ban a country?

This one time, at south park, they nuked Finland since they where gonna tell the alien that we did have alien money. So you can at least make it disappear...

Who?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Julian+Beck

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Julian+Beck

That is magnificently hilarious :D

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=julian+beck
ty .

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Julian+Beck

I love this. *steals*

Anyhoo, I wondered if folks from the other side of the Pond had any suggestions with what to do with these lovely people once they get to this braw wee country. (There's already a protest being organised by Indymedia Scotland.)

I'll get back to being hated by God.

Get them drunk on Irish Stout, and in bed with members of the same sex, naked. Take pictures when they wake up. I'll leave the rest to your imagination.

I've got a soft spot for the Phelps clan





- it's a peat bog near Inverness

I've got a soft spot for the Phelps clan





- it's a peat bog near Inverness

V.Good

I've got a soft spot for the Phelps clan





- it's a peat bog near Inverness

Yay! :D

I love this. *steals*

Have you seen it has a live stream of what's going through it? Both hilarious and disturbing.

Case in point - 8 lines down, and 2nd from bottom....

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9666/lmgtfy.jpg

Have you seen it has a live stream of what's going through it? Both hilarious and disturbing.

Case in point - 8 lines down, and 2nd from bottom....

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9666/lmgtfy.jpg

Coches de segunda mano en Málaga. :D

That thing certainly has a bit of everything.

Coches de segunda mano en Málaga. :D

That thing certainly has a bit of everything.

Second hand cars in Malaga?

I rather like the question: Should I kill myself for being an internet asshole? A lot of people should ponder that question and act accordingly. I know a few.

i rather like the question: Should i kill myself for being an internet asshole? A lot of people should ponder that question and act accordingly. I know a few.

:( :(

I rather like the question: Should I kill myself for being an internet asshole? A lot of people should ponder that question and act accordingly. I know a few.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Why+would+somebaody+be+so+retarded+as+to+kill+themself+for+being+an+asshole+on+the+internet%3F

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Why+would+somebaody+be+so+retarded+as+to+kill+themself+for+being+an+asshole+on+the+internet%3F

How do you do that? I've seen it twice in two days.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Why+would+somebaody+be+so+retarded+as+to+kill+themself+for+being+an+asshole+on+the+internet%3F

Take a look at Holy Cheese and Shoes' last post. :rolleyes:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Why+would+somebaody+be+so+retarded+as+to+kill+themself+for+being+an+asshole+on+the+internet%3F

It's ''somebody'', not ''somebaody''.

How do you do that? I've seen it twice in two days.

Go to lmgtfy.com, then type in a question. It gives you a link which you then post on a forum or whatever, therefore making the person who the post is aimed at look lazy and/or stupid.

It's ''somebody'', not ''somebaody''.

I know, it was a typo.

Go to lmgtfy.com, then type in a question. It gives you a link which you then post on a forum or whatever, therefore making the person who the post is aimed at look lazy and/or stupid.

Thanks. I'm amazed you never used it on me.

Go to lmgtfy.com, then type in a question. It gives you a link which you then post on a forum or whatever, therefore making the person who the post is aimed at look lazy and/or stupid.

Or in turn making you, for posting it, an über asshole who fails at basic reading comprehension. Give or take. Uhum.

Of course, I'm not saying you are that. Heaven forbid I say such a thing about you, NNLDI.

Thanks. I'm amazed you never used it on me.

I have.

Or in turn making you, for posting it, an über asshole who fails at basic reading comprehension. Give or take. Uhum.

Or possibly someone who wasn't being serious, thereby making you look a moron.

Of course, I'm not saying you are that. Heaven forbid I say such a thing about you, NNLDI.

Well, I'd respect you more if you actually admitted that you did, rather than trying to hide your disdain behind a wall of hypotheticals. But of course this is in itself all hypothetical and of course I'm not really calling you a moron.

I have.

You have?

Or possibly someone who wasn't being serious, thereby making you look a moron.



Well, I'd respect you more if you actually admitted that you did, rather than trying to hide your disdain behind a wall of hypotheticals. But of course this is in itself all hypothetical and of course I'm not really calling you a moron.

Do you think me capable of calling you names? Oh dear. I DO respect people, despite it all. You should look more deeply into the hypotheticals. Of course, if you feel like an ass or a moron, well, knock yourself out. I am just a forum poster, my disdain, or what you presume I'm feeling is, well, inconsequential to your formation. Is it not?

You have?

Yes, that's why I just said I have. Why do you always turn people's answers back into questions, that will just result in the same answer? Anyway I did it about Julian Beck.

Yes, that's why I just said I have. Why do you always turn people's answers back into questions, that will just result in the same answer? Anyway I did it about Julian Beck.

Oh shit, yeah I forgot. Sorry.

Do you think me capable of calling you names? Oh dear. I DO respect people, despite it all. You should look more deeply into the hypotheticals. Of course, if you feel like an ass or a moron, well, knock yourself out. I am just a forum poster, my disdain, or what you presume I'm feeling is, well, inconsequential to your formation. Is it not?

Oh lots of long words, formal language and commas. Well done, Nanatsu.

Oh lots of long words, formal language and commas. Well done, Nanatsu.

Why, thank you. I hope I was able to help you with your language.

Do you think me capable of calling you names?

Well obviously you are, it's not like there's some sort of chip in your brain preventing you from doing so.

I DO respect people, despite it all.

Where did I say you didn't?

Of course, if you feel like an ass or a moron, well, knock yourself out.

And where did I say that? I think it's you who fails at basic reading comprehension.

Why, thank you. I hope I was able to help you with your language.

Ahaha! You make lots of mistakes in your (written, at least) English. I just let them slide. Trust me, I speak my own language better than you.

Well obviously you are, it's not like there's some sort of chip in your brain preventing you from doing so.

Nope, you're assuming. It's not the same thing at all.

Where did I say you didn't?

Implicit, dear. Making jokes isn't your skill.

And where did I say that? I think it's you who fails at basic reading comprehension.

Uhum, if that helps you sleep at night.:wink:

Ahaha! You make lots of mistakes in your (written, at least) English. I just let them slide. Trust me, I speak my own language better than you.

And yet you rarely let me off. :p

Ahaha! You make lots of mistakes in your (written, at least) English. I just let them slide. Trust me, I speak my own language better than you.

Oh my, how magnanimous of you. You're just too much.

And yet you rarely let me off. :p

Nanatsu has the excuse of being Spanish.

Nanatsu has the excuse of being Spanish.

I have the excuse of being stupid.

EDIT: and she's been speaking it for longe than me.

Oh my, how magnanimous of you. You're just too much.

You're really think you speak better English than me? Fine, delude yourself, if that's what you want.

You're really think you speak better English than me? Fine, delude yourself, if that's what you want.

*sigh*
Adu-kun, I'm sorry. My posts were uncalled for. My state of mind is not your fault.

Why recently do almost all threads get derailed by the same 5 or 6 posters?

Why recently do almost all threads get derailed by the same 5 or 6 posters?

Determination.

Why recently do almost all threads get derailed by the same 5 or 6 posters?

We battle for the Prize. *nod*

Determination.

We battle for the Prize. *nod*

I actually wasn't thinking of either of you two. When you derail a thread it's funny.

We battle for the Prize. *nod*

Yeah, but the inherent limitations of tacos and pies are you can't decapitate the loser with them.

I actually wasn't thinking of either of you two. When you derail a thread it's funny.

I wasn't thinking of me either.

Only Fred Phelps and his daughter are banned from entering the UK.

It's quite possible that other members may come into Scotland.

an oversight that may be soon corrected... :tongue:

hmm... maybe the Phelps can boat across. during winter. and to make it harder to track, take a small personal yatch...

:D There's Phelpses off the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow...
"We stand for Peace, Shoot the fags, Shoot the fags, Shoot the fags. We stand for Peace, Shoot the fags, Shoot the fags now!" :D

I wasn't thinking of me either.

Well this proves that God is OK with gay priests.

UPDATE:

Church of Scotland leaders have voted to uphold the decision to appoint a gay minister to a church in Aberdeen.

The General Assembly of the Church of Scotland voted by 326 to 267 in support of the Rev Scott Rennie, 37, after more than four hours of debate.

(Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/8065563.stm))

Alyson Thomson, head of communications, said: "The Church of Scotland General Assembly has set out a clear stall - it is a modern church for a modern Scotland.

"The commission is delighted that the church has... decided that the values of fairness, equality, dignity and respect are of more worth than those of ignorance and intolerance."

(Source (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/The-Church-Of-Scotland-Has-Given-Its-Backing-To-The-Appointment-Of-Gay-Minister-Scott-Rennie/Article/200905415287484?f=rss))


Yaay for the Kirk!

Whoo!

An interview with Mr. Rennie, after the vote was passed, can be seen here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/8064428.stm).

Also, and this rather amuses me, the General Assembly's Twitter feed is here (http://twitter.com/generalassembly).

"We stand for Peace, Shoot the fags, Shoot the fags, Shoot the fags. We stand for Peace, Shoot the fags, Shoot the fags now!" :D

http://www.debbieohi.com/trek/pics/04sulusword.jpg

"Go ahead... just try it."

Only going forward cos we can't find reverse.

Boldly. BOLDLY!

Also, good to see the Kirk paying attention to Federation values. :)

http://www.debbieohi.com/trek/pics/04sulusword.jpg

"Go ahead... just try it."

I didn't like how they did his fencing in the movie.

The Kirk, being awesome one day at a time.

That works for both Kirks.

We're mostly non-violent, though many of
the Vikings travelled to Scotland. And mind'ya, anyone who goes there
will turn bloodthirsty, you can't understand what the lot are saying.
It's all afore, reckle, aboot, dinnea, it's enough to make you want to
burn a village to the ground.

:D All I need to say about Scotland.

UPDATE:



(Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/8065563.stm))



(Source (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/The-Church-Of-Scotland-Has-Given-Its-Backing-To-The-Appointment-Of-Gay-Minister-Scott-Rennie/Article/200905415287484?f=rss))


Yaay for the Kirk!

The CoS once again reaffirm my belief that we have one of the most progressive religious groups in the world right here in Scotland. Good for them; good for any religious organisation that puts humanistic concerns ahead of dogmatic and literalist interests.

Fred Phelps is a repressed homosexual who finds evidence of sodomy everywhere. Sodomy is the root of all evil and all that jazz. The serpent in the garden of eden sodomized Adam after all.

Fred Phelps is a repressed homosexual who finds evidence of sodomy everywhere. Sodomy is the root of all evil and all that jazz. The serpent in the garden of eden sodomized Adam after all.

And he is not a Scottish citizen. perhaps the kilts would make him less repressed.

And he is not a Scottish citizen. perhaps the kilts would make him less repressed.

Kilts are designed for buggery and mouth-woobie. They're evidence that the Scots have been a sodomite nation for centuries at least.

Kilts are designed for buggery and mouth-woobie. They're evidence that the Scots have been a sodomite nation for centuries at least.

this move of the phelps family works out best for everyone.

this move of the phelps family works out best for everyone.

Except for the Scots.

The CoS once again reaffirm my belief that we have one of the most progressive religious groups in the world right here in Scotland. Good for them; good for any religious organisation that puts humanistic concerns ahead of dogmatic and literalist interests.
Though the Kirk won't be backing down to any literalist dogma any time soon, it's important to note that the General Assembly has not ratified the concept of homosexual ministers (or elders); simply approved the appointment of Mr. Rennie.

It still waits to be seen what the GA will do, if anything, in that regard. The real issue - that of the Kirk's stance on homosexuality and homosexual ministers/elders - has not been properly discussed yet, and could still be kicked into the long grass.

However, this is all a big 'fuck you' to the Phelps' and their ilk.


Kilts are designed for buggery and mouth-woobie.
Easy access.

*nods*

Except for the Scots.

It will be good for the Scots. once the Phelp's get to Scotland don kilts and start sodomizing things they will realize they have been assholes. It will show the world that Scotland and sodomy is the solution to all of men's problems.

http://www.debbieohi.com/trek/pics/04sulusword.jpg

"Go ahead... just try it."

Boldly. BOLDLY!

Also, good to see the Kirk paying attention to Federation values. :)

*sigh (http://www.quantumnow.com/trek/lyrics.html)*

*sigh (http://www.quantumnow.com/trek/lyrics.html)*

Yes, I know about that song :p

Yes, I know about that song :p

and you do know that George Takei actually didn't know how to fence. he lied about it to keep his job and had to scramble to take fencing lessions when the scene called for it.

and you do know that George Takei actually didn't know how to fence. he lied about it to keep his job and had to scramble to take fencing lessions when the scene called for it.

And ever since then, people have to watch out whenever he has a sharp pointy object in his hands:


http://www.metroweekly.com/articles/attachments/2008-01-10_feature_story_3168_3874.jpghttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JbvVigBPwhM/SSbW0xV9O7I/AAAAAAAAAZs/pZ2-FwF6tEQ/s400/RA3GeorgeTakei_WP2_16x12.jpg

Rabbie Burns on the Kirk:
"Some go there to meet a lover
Some go there their sins to cover
Some go there to wink and nod
But few go there to worship God."

I'm just amazed that churches can split when so few people go to them anymore.

UPDATE:



(Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/8065563.stm))



(Source (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/The-Church-Of-Scotland-Has-Given-Its-Backing-To-The-Appointment-Of-Gay-Minister-Scott-Rennie/Article/200905415287484?f=rss))


Yaay for the Kirk!
Fuck yeah Scotland.
Boldly. BOLDLY!
I think not.
*sigh (http://www.quantumnow.com/trek/lyrics.html)*
See.
Fred Phelps is a repressed homosexual who finds evidence of sodomy everywhere. Sodomy is the root of all evil and all that jazz. The serpent in the garden of eden sodomized Adam after all.

Someone should go to one of his protests with a big sign that says "Fred Phelps' firm, muscular buttocks turned me gay"

Fuck yeah Scotland.
Team Scotland: World Scroungers was a disappointing film...

Someone should go to one of his protests with a big sign that says "Fred Phelps' firm, muscular buttocks turned me gay"
I still prefer xkcd's, 'Anyone up for some Scrabble later?'.

I still prefer xkcd's, 'Anyone up for some Scrabble later?'.

What, things aren't fine enough the way they are for you? :p

http://gallery.borjanet.com/d/11147-3/img_0024.jpg

Anyone?

Someone should go to one of his protests with a big sign that says "Fred Phelps' firm, muscular buttocks turned me gay"

It's been done. Search for The Chaser and Fred Phelps.