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Aye, I'm starting this. Seeing as every third thread this discussion pops up for a few posts, we might as well create a thread for it.:p

Best MODERN Military Aircraft Generalites?

My vote, I'm afraid, must go to the F-22. I've always had a soft spot in my heart for new technology. While it's not the best Aircraft for all purposes, it cements the USA's Air Superiority, and that's good enough for me.:wink:

The Jewfighter 9000.

Define modern.

Define modern.

Anything still in, or about to be put in, a First-World Country's Official Air Force.

The Jewfighter 9000.

http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/f/o/fordahorde/Benders_big_score2.jpg
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Exactly.

http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/f/o/fordahorde/Benders_big_score2.jpg
:confused:

See as much use as the F-22 >_>

Seen as much use as the F-22 >_>
Unfortunately... :(

No one with any Combat Aircraft is stupid enough to oppose us directly. Which is a good thing, for everyone except those on Internet Forums trying to talk about how great the F-22 is.:p (Which it is, mind you)

A-10 Warthog

http://www.dash2.com/images/newimages/A-10Warthog.jpg

It is one bad mo' fo'!

Strategic Bomber - Tupolev Tu-160 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-160)

Air Superiority Figher - F-22 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor)

Fighter-Bomber - Will probably end up being the F35 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35_Lightning_II)

Logistics - Has to be the C-130 Hercules (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-130_Hercules)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_I2KtyvwA8HQ/SCg-7L1wuyI/AAAAAAAAA_0/GP2ewKEXpFE/s400/S-37_Berkut.jpg

The Su-37 Berkut. Designed to look evil.

Unfortunately... :(

No one with any Combat Aircraft is stupid enough to oppose us directly. Which is a good thing, for everyone except those on Internet Forums trying to talk about how great the F-22 is.:p (Which it is, mind you)
An air superiority craft created for use when most of the nations with a viable airforce are buying planes from US to begin with is a waste of money. Especially since it will be out of date by the time we DO need an air superiority craft.

An air superiority craft created for use when most of the nations with a viable airforce are buying planes from US to begin with is a waste of money. Especially since it will be out of date by the time we DO need an air superiority craft.

Doubt it. The sort of money and time needed will give us at least 20+ years, and even then, it's not a bad Aircraft, and could most likely outperform and at least perform as well as newer Aircraft within the next few decades. That being said, the F-22 is not being exported, so it works as an ace up the sleeve.

Strategic Bomber - Tupolev Tu-160 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-160)


The B-52 has a proven track record that the Tupolev can't even touch.

Anything still in, or about to be put in, a First-World Country's Official Air Force.

And here I was about to respond "enraged Dragon"... :(

...but then again, you probably only weanted MECHANICAL airborne warriors...

The B-52 has a proven track record that the Tupolev can't even touch.

I still believe the Tu 160 is a better aircraft, especially with the shiney new toys that the Russians are loading them up with.

Has to be the Typhoon for me, especially with CAPTOR Radar and Meteor missiles.

I do like the F-22, and I've always had a soft spot for Panavia Tornado's (RAF GR4), Avro Vulcans, and Blackburn Buccaneers. (I know its old, but it looks the business, they used to be paired up with Jaguars or Tornadoes as hunter killer teams, the interceptor watched for air targets, the Buccaneer for ground. )

Aye, I'm starting this. Seeing as every third thread this discussion pops up for a few posts, we might as well create a thread for it.:p

Best MODERN Military Aircraft Generalites?

My vote, I'm afraid, must go to the F-22. I've always had a soft spot in my heart for new technology. While it's not the best Aircraft for all purposes, it cements the USA's Air Superiority, and that's good enough for me.:wink:

It's a dog with fleas. It's a cute dog but looks don't win wars.

http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=ask_this.view&askthisid=00197

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/save-the-pitiful-f-22_b_164148.html

No one beside me like the A-10? :(

Aye, I'm starting this. Seeing as every third thread this discussion pops up for a few posts, we might as well create a thread for it.:p

Best MODERN Military Aircraft Generalites?

My vote, I'm afraid, must go to the F-22. I've always had a soft spot in my heart for new technology. While it's not the best Aircraft for all purposes, it cements the USA's Air Superiority, and that's good enough for me.:wink:

It depends upon what your criteria for being the best are...

Viewed just on its abilities I'd agree with you that the raptor is the best, however its price tag means that not that many can be built...

No one beside me like the A-10? :(

I'm too afraid of what the A-10 can do to dislike it. :D

I like the V-22 Osprey. I'm glad they figured out how to make it not crash. :)

I like the V-22 Osprey. I'm glad they figured out how to make it not crash. :)

Someone was watching way too much manga before they designed that thing.

It's ugly and half-helicopter, everyone knows that helicopters are against gods will.

I like the V-22 Osprey. I'm glad they figured out how to make it not crash. :)

Harrier jet is better.

http://www.johnmirandaphoto.com/miramarairshow/_DSC0326.jpg

I like the V-22 Osprey. I'm glad they figured out how to make it not crash. :)

The osprey is 100% badasstonium.

It's a dog with fleas. It's a cute dog but looks don't win wars.

http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=ask_this.view&askthisid=00197

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/save-the-pitiful-f-22_b_164148.html

Very reliable sources, good sir. Especially considering that the Raptor hasn't fired a shot 'in anger' as they said, because they haven't NEEDED THEM YET! Or should we start developing a project that takes years and billions of dollars when we need them, and not until, so that by the time the crisis of which we need them in is over?

I'm too afraid of what the A-10 can do to dislike it. :D

The Destructive Power of the A-10, AKA Why the A-10 pwns everyone in your family! Including your grandma! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Death)

Very reliable sources, good sir. Especially considering that the Raptor hasn't fired a shot 'in anger' as they said, because they haven't NEEDED THEM YET! Or should we start developing a project that takes years and billions of dollars when we need them, and not until, so that by the time the crisis of which we need them in is over?

We NEVER needed them.The f-22 was designed in the 90s to fight a Russian aircraft that they never built in the 80s.

Our only hope is if secret information about the F-35 was not compramised by spies. If was we only have nukes to fight powerhouses like China or Russia until we come up with a jet that works.

Very reliable sources, good sir. Especially considering that the Raptor hasn't fired a shot 'in anger' as they said, because they haven't NEEDED THEM YET! Or should we start developing a project that takes years and billions of dollars when we need them, and not until, so that by the time the crisis of which we need them in is over?

The F 22 is a fine aircraft but it simply costs too much and requires too much maintence. I'd always prefer to have 3 4.5th generation aircraft to one 5th, it gives your force much more flexability and and differences in technology are negligible if you have an integrated airforce behind them.

We NEVER needed them.The f-22 was designed in the 90s to fight a Russian aircraft that they never built in the 80s.
It's an Air-Superiority fighter. It's meant to be the best. Now that the Russian Project went down, it really is the best, it has no competition. And it will be for quite some time.

Our only hope is if secret information about the F-35 was not compramised by spies. If was we only have nukes to fight powerhouses like China or Russia until we come up with a jet that works.
1. The F-22 DOES work.
2. Damn, you really do like 'end of the world ohmygod we're all going to die' conspiracy theories. :tongue:

The F 22 is a fine aircraft but it simply costs too much and requires too much maintence.
I will agree with this. It does cost too much, and requires more maintenance than I would prefer. It doesn't make it a bad plane, however. Just one perfectly suited to our defense budget. :p

I will agree with this. It does cost too much, and requires more maintenance than I would prefer. It doesn't make it a bad plane, however. Just one perfectly suited to our defense budget. :p

It does make it a bad choice as a weapon system though.

It's an Air-Superiority fighter. It's meant to be the best. Now that the Russian Project went down, it really is the best, it has no competition. And it will be for quite some time.

1. The F-22 DOES work.
2. Damn, you really do like 'end of the world ohmygod we're all going to die' conspiracy theories. :tongue:

It's a dog with fleas. But it's really a good thing. The nuke deterrent seems to work best anyway. They don't want to push the button anymore than we do.

It's a dog with fleas.
Up against a few mangy rats, who have little to no possibility of evolving for another couple of million years. :tongue:

I would have liked to see them just keep producing F-15's with upgraded electronics.



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_I2KtyvwA8HQ/SCg-7L1wuyI/AAAAAAAAA_0/GP2ewKEXpFE/s400/S-37_Berkut.jpg

The Su-37 Berkut. Designed to look evil.

Su-47 Berkut actually...
The Su-37 Flanker-F is a completely different plane, although also very good, better in fact as the Berkut (at least for now) is only a technology test-bed.
http://aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/su37/su37_03.jpg

Harrier jet is better.

http://www.johnmirandaphoto.com/miramarairshow/_DSC0326.jpg

Ever tried fitting 20 people in a Harrier? :p

Harrier jet is better.

The Osprey is a transport, the Harrier is an Attack bomber so its comparing apples and oranges.

The Osprey is a transport, the Harrier is an Attack bomber so its comparing apples and oranges.

Apples taste better. Ergo, Osprey wins. :p

Ever tried fitting 20 people in a Harrier? :p

For that, you have the Chinook.

http://www.namsa.nato.int/gallery/systems/ch47-chinook-nato.jpg

Also the C-130

http://www.freefallu.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/c130hercules.jpg

Which can do this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2X_kfy9cEg)

For that, you have the Chinook.

http://www.namsa.nato.int/gallery/systems/ch47-chinook-nato.jpg

Also the C-130

http://www.freefallu.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/c130hercules.jpg

Which can do this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2X_kfy9cEg)

Osprey is twice as fast as a Chinook(about as fast as a C-130) and can land in places a C-130 can't.

Osprey is twice as fast as a Chinook(about as fast as a C-130) and can land in places a C-130 can't.

Can you fire your howitzer from an Osprey?

Harrier jet is better.

http://www.johnmirandaphoto.com/miramarairshow/_DSC0326.jpg

Truly a superb aircraft. The Falklands Crisis cemented this. Joint Force Harrier based out in Afghanistan has worked wonders, I doubt any other aircraft has had such an impact on the Royal Navy, don't them Argies know it :p And it did good for the RAF and USMC too.

Can you fire your howitzer from an Osprey?

Once. :D

Once. :D

Howitzer or not, if you're in an Osprey then you'll probably die anyway.

Might as well have some fun before the inevitable crash.;)

Osprey is twice as fast as a Chinook(about as fast as a C-130) and can land in places a C-130 can't.

Except the Osprey has the rather unfortunate habit of crashing randomly and killing everyone. I'll take a good ole helicopter any day, tyvm.

Except the Osprey has the rather unfortunate habit of crashing randomly and killing everyone. I'll take a good ole helicopter any day, tyvm.

Nobody likes surprises anymore. :(

http://notimetobuild.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/revell-fokker-dr-i-a.jpg

Fokker Dr.I Triplane, with the F-22 as a close second.

I prefer surprises that don't make me see my bowels gushing from my abdomen.

Osprey is twice as fast as a Chinook(about as fast as a C-130) and can land in places a C-130 can't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfwJJD5jGXk

Nobody likes surprises anymore. :(

Not the life threaten ones, no.

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The Su-37 Berkut. Designed to look evil.

You mean the S-47, which doesn't look likely to go into production. Though their is a rumor that someone is trying to market it.

Oh and the Su-37 isn't going into production either. They were test models, Russia is sticking with the Su-35.

I prefer surprises that don't make me see my bowels gushing from my abdomen.

Wimp.:wink:

No one beside me like the A-10? :(
A-10= Badass. It's funny how all through the 80s they kept going on and on how it was "Useless" and in the 90s they once again said "We'll never need it again", yet again they were proven wrong.

Yf-23. >_>

The Lynx
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Royal_Navy_Lynx_318.jpg

Aye, I'm starting this. Seeing as every third thread this discussion pops up for a few posts, we might as well create a thread for it.:p

Best MODERN Military Aircraft Generalites?

My vote, I'm afraid, must go to the F-22. I've always had a soft spot in my heart for new technology. While it's not the best Aircraft for all purposes, it cements the USA's Air Superiority, and that's good enough for me.:wink:

This:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjXmCb-7dns&feature=related

F-35, all the technology of the F-22 and its Multirole. It also has a VTOL variant. Its ALSO cost effective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USYW2hNCnpg

The male version of the Hind.

http://www.red-stars.org/IMG/jpg/Mi-28N_Bouclier_2006_RIA_Novosti_.jpg

http://notimetobuild.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/revell-fokker-dr-i-a.jpg

Fokker Dr.I Triplane, with the F-22 as a close second.

ROFL! Yea it's a good thing that the F-22 can at least keep it's wings on. (well until it gets shot down)

Those must have been some very brave souls to climb into that 3 wing monstrosity.

You mean the S-47, which doesn't look likely to go into production. Though their is a rumor that someone is trying to market it.

Oh and the Su-37 isn't going into production either. They were test models, Russia is sticking with the Su-35.

You try finding the name of a plane when you're not a full on aviation head. Google Su-47 and you'll get the image of 28,000 different planes. This plane is most commonly called the Su-37 (look at the URL I linked the image for example) on google, and I'm not inclined to investigate a plane I only like on 'look how shiny it is' further.

Logistics - Has to be the C-130 Hercules (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-130_Hercules)

No sorry I must disagree theC-17 Globemaster is a far better combat plane when we are talking about transport planes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-17_Globemaster_III

Ever tried fitting 20 people in a Harrier? :p

Only done it in a clown Harrier.

F-35, all the technology of the F-22 and its Multirole. It also has a VTOL variant. Its ALSO cost effective.
And all it took was 20+ years of regular pork-filled research payments.

And I tend to understand that when you make something that can do "Everything" it tends not to be as effective as something designed for one purpose.

And all it took was 20+ years of regular pork-filled research payments.

And I tend to understand that when you make something that can do "Everything" it tends not to be as effective as something designed for one purpose.

Yes if it can do everything its not as good at one thing as a plane that does just that one thing but then again it can do... everything...

I don't think air-superiority jets will get much better than the F-22, not without some sort of gravity-counterbalance device, or something. (I have no idea what to call it.)

Something about pressure put on the pilot moving at extreme speeds and black-outs? (I don't know much about jets/aeronautics. >.>)

I like the B-52, even though it's not necessarily a MODERN modern aircraft.

No one beside me like the A-10? :(

I have seen the A-10 in action. It is extremely ruthless in the hands of a good pilot.

I don't think air-superiority jets will get much better than the F-22, not without some sort of gravity-counterbalance device, or something. (I have no idea what to call it.)

Something about pressure put on the pilot moving at extreme speeds and black-outs? (I don't know much about jets/aeronautics. >.>)

Pilotless fighters are probably the next leap.

Pilotless fighters are probably the next leap.

So perhaps we'll go the other way in fighter development; swarms of small pilotless drones controlled by a hivemind. Sounds fun.

So perhaps we'll go the other way in fighter development; swarms of small pilotless drones controlled by a hivemind. Sounds fun.

Most likely. This comment also gives me a thought that the Terminator series may a glimpse into the future of Humanity.

My vote is a split. Half goes to the F-86 Saber for the best fighter because it had a 10:1 kill ratio. When you make a plane that takes out 800 enemy fighters for the loss of only 78 you've done a damn good job. The other half is the MiG 15 that it was built to kill. The MiG 15 was so successful at killing enemy bombers that it completely changed the bombing campaign forcing an end to daytime raids during the Korean War. It was meant to be easy to fly, easy to build, and kill bombers and it did those things like few other planes did before it or have since.

You need to divide this sort of thing up into categories.
Even fighters need divisions.
For instance Best dog fighter in service is hands down the euro fighter typhoon, maneuverability and kill ability.
As interceptor fighter I would assign top fighter to the F-22. Super cruise, low radar cross section. It is a beast for its purpose.

I have to say I do have a big soft spot for the Eurofighter Typhoon, and it's now being delivered with air-to-ground capabilities (the order has just gone through for the tranche 3 fighters), so it will actually see some sort of combat!

Yea, I heard the RAF ordered another 112 for the ground attack role.

It means the RAF is the biggest operator or Typhoons now. They are designed to replace the Tornado in this role now, as well as interceptor fighter as the first few hundred have.

It was chosen over the F35 I think. Still, the F35 will be used by the Royal Navy to replave the Harrier (Sea Harriers went out a few years back, and the Navy are using RAF Harriers until replacement) unless they make a carrierbourne version of the Typhoon, and I'm not kidding, its been mentioned before :p.

The F35 is also a good kite. The Aussies have recently bought 100. And one of the Britain's old carriers, HMS Invincible. I presume they will use the F35 on that.

Yea, I heard the RAF ordered another 112 for the ground attack role.


I think we're actually selling quite a few of those on because of budget constraints.

The F35 is also a good kite. The Aussies have recently bought 100. And one of the Britain's old carriers, HMS Invincible. I presume they will use the F35 on that.

Really the HMS Invincible? I missed all of the details of the white paper that came out recently.

I knew they were meant to be building two new aircraft carriers solely for helicopters but I wasn't aware for planes.

Do you have a link or something I can read up on?

Really the HMS Invincible? I missed all of the details of the white paper that came out recently.

I knew they were meant to be building two new aircraft carriers solely for helicopters but I wasn't aware for planes.

Do you have a link or something I can read up on?

I think I made a mistake on that, sorry, I think I was referring to a old sale which was later cancelled.

I cant seem to find a source other than Wiki, which does mention it, but dated in 1982.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Invincible_(R05)

However, now the Invincible has been retired. It may well have been resold to the Aussies.

Yea, I heard the RAF ordered another 112 for the ground attack role.

It means the RAF is the biggest operator or Typhoons now. They are designed to replace the Tornado in this role now, as well as interceptor fighter as the first few hundred have.

It was chosen over the F35 I think. Still, the F35 will be used by the Royal Navy to replave the Harrier (Sea Harriers went out a few years back, and the Navy are using RAF Harriers until replacement) unless they make a carrierbourne version of the Typhoon, and I'm not kidding, its been mentioned before :p.

The F35 is also a good kite. The Aussies have recently bought 100. And one of the Britain's old carriers, HMS Invincible. I presume they will use the F35 on that.

The reason the UK adopted the Typhoon has more to do with cost.
To use an F-35 means you have to keep paying the US to conduct maintenance on the craft. This is especially true in the software department.
where as I think even the Saudi Arabians are allowed to conduct their own maintenance/software upgrades on the Typhoon.
The benefit is the typhoon sells better, the draw back is everyone in the world knows ever detail of the Typhoon or will once the Saudis take their order.

I don't think air-superiority jets will get much better than the F-22, not without some sort of gravity-counterbalance device, or something. (I have no idea what to call it.)

Something about pressure put on the pilot moving at extreme speeds and black-outs? (I don't know much about jets/aeronautics. >.>)
That'd be "inertial dampeners" like in the F-302 fighter-interceptor. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-stargate001.gif

The reason the UK adopted the Typhoon has more to do with cost.
To use an F-35 means you have to keep paying the US to conduct maintenance on the craft. This is especially true in the software department.
where as I think even the Saudi Arabians are allowed to conduct their own maintenance/software upgrades on the Typhoon.
The benefit is the typhoon sells better, the draw back is everyone in the world knows ever detail of the Typhoon or will once the Saudis take their order.

So does the F-35 have a big override switch so the US can stop it working anytime a country they sell it to doesn't do what it wants?

So does the F-35 have a big override switch so the US can stop it working anytime a country they sell it to doesn't do what it wants?

No certain, seems to be shrouded by the land of classified material.
My guess is if the software is not updated at set intervals that will stop working, and I am not certain the aircraft is combat effective without the software.

No certain, seems to be shrouded by the land of classified material.
My guess is if the software is not updated at set intervals that will stop working, and I am not certain the aircraft is combat effective without the software.

Well, software is important :P

Without it the Euro will just fall out of the sky. What a bummer for Saudi pilots if we decide to flick the switch :P (if it exists)

Well, software is important :P

Without it the Euro will just fall out of the sky. What a bummer for Saudi pilots if we decide to flick the switch :P (if it exists)

it is pretty easy to set up.
Basically set up the software to format the hard drive one year after install.
This ensures a need for yearly upgrades. I find the F-35 to be a nice craft but with a lot of the cost hidden. With the added bonus of blackmailing the customer to turning a fleet of aircraft into worthless hunks of metal if you don't pay for upgrades. Also I suspect the yanks haven't revealed how to maintain some of the stealth features. With out those the F-35 becomes a typhoon.

The F-22 Raptor. So good apparently that no other countries are allowed to buy it. It is a United States exclusive air superiority fighter.

So does the F-35 have a big override switch so the US can stop it working anytime a country they sell it to doesn't do what it wants?

Ask China, they downloaded the whole program a few weeks ago

Under what criteria? Dogfighting? Versatility? Speed? Stealth? Doomliness? What?

Under what criteria? Dogfighting? Versatility? Speed? Stealth? Doomliness? What?

Whatever you prefer. As I have stated, I prefer the F-22 as I have a soft spot for Air Superiority Aircraft. I'm sure plenty of people would disagree, and have, under the excuse of all-around performance, degrees of awesome appearance, and versatility.

Deep down, of course, we all love the F-22 though.;)

Whatever you prefer. As I have stated, I prefer the F-22 as I have a soft spot for Air Superiority Aircraft. I'm sure plenty of people would disagree, and have, under the excuse of all-around performance, degrees of awesome appearance, and versatility.

Deep down, of course, we all love the F-22 though.;)

the F-22 is a good craft but, it is not the best dog fighter.

F-35, then. I rather like the fact that it's a rather cost effective and easily modified design. Further, by standardizing the Multirole fighters of the Air Force and the Navy, we can simplify the supply systems that we need to support the planes by unifying them. Further, it's stealthy, carries a good payload, has good speed and a reasonable ability to engage other fighter aircraft.

Further, for joint NATO purposes, it allows for the cross-force use of weaponry. You can hook French missiles up to a British aircraft with virtually no problem.

YF-23 is pretty beast. Stealthier and faster than the F-22, pretty sure the combat radius is higher, too.

YF-23 is pretty beast. Stealthier and faster than the F-22, pretty sure the combat radius is higher, too.

Tiny problem: There are only three.

I think I made a mistake on that, sorry, I think I was referring to a old sale which was later cancelled.

I cant seem to find a source other than Wiki, which does mention it, but dated in 1982.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Invincible_(R05)

However, now the Invincible has been retired. It may well have been resold to the Aussies.

Yeah that was aa while ago back in 1982.

Australia didn't buy it the last aircraft carrier that the RAN had was the HMAS Melbourne, which was sold off in 1985.

Funny thing about this ship is that it is the only British Commonwealth ship to sink two friendly ships in peacetime.

Well it is not really funny considering over 140 people were killed in them.

Tiny problem: There are only three.

Yes. What's your point, it lost the ATF competition.

Besides, the thread said "Best Modern Military Aircraft" not "Best Modern Production Military Aircraft".

Ask China, they downloaded the whole program a few weeks ago

I think it was anon.

I think it was anon.

anon now has a fleet of F-35's.
in route to bomb the church of Scientology now.

anon now has a fleet of F-35's.
in route to bomb the church of Scientology now.

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