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Peace between Israel and Palestine?

Londim
17-05-2009, 01:39
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu may be prepared to endorse a peace process leading to an independent Palestinian state, his defence minister has said.

Ehud Barak, a long-time rival now part of Israel's governing coalition, spoke ahead of Mr Netanyahu's first meeting with US President Obama in Washington.

He told Israeli TV a regional deal could be struck within three years.

Mr Netanyahu has so far been unwilling to discuss a two-state solution, saying only he wants a "fresh approach".

He recently made his first visits out of Israel since taking office, travelling to Egypt and Jordan during the past week.

A two-state solution based on independent
is a goal strongly backed by the US and by Jordan and Egypt, Israel's only allies among Arab states.

'Fresh approach'

President Obama is expected to push
on the issue when they meet for talks at the White House on Monday.

Mr Barak, the Labour leader, says his long-time rival is ready to take a pragmatic approach to peace negotiations.
“ I don't see a reason why Netanyahu would not say that at the end of an accord... there will be two peoples living side by side ”
Ehud Barak Israeli defence minister

"Netanyahu will tell Obama: We're willing to engage in a process whose end is a regional peace accord," he told Channel 2 TV.

He stopped short of saying that Mr Netanyahu would back a two-state solution while in Washington in the coming week, but suggested an independent Palestinian state could emerge from a revived peace process.

"The Arabs say 'two states,' [and] I don't see a reason why Netanyahu would not say that at the end of an accord... there will be two peoples living side by side in peace and mutual respect," he said.

Mr Barak said he thought such an agreement could be reached between Israel and its neighbours within three years, and take another five years to implement.

However, some members of Mr Netanyahu's Likud party cast doubt on Mr Barak's views.

Transport Minister Yisrael Katz said the prime minister would "oppose any creation of an armed Palestinian state on Israel's borders, which would endanger Israel's security," the AFP news agency reported.

'Triple track'

Mr Netanyahu is scheduled to arrive in Washington on Sunday, with talks at the White House planned for the following day.

Although Israel's long-standing relationship with the US remains strong, analysts say Mr Netanyahu is likely to find himself under pressure from the US president.

During his victorious election campaign earlier this year he remained opposed to Palestinian statehood, and spoke out vociferously against the Hamas administration which runs the Gaza Strip.

But in an address to US supporters of Israel at the start of May Mr Netanyahu said he favoured a "triple track" approach.

Political progress must be combined with a strengthening of the Palestinian security apparatus and moved to stimulate the Palestinian economy, he said.

Israeli newspaper Haaretz quoted a White House official as saying Mr Obama would not present a specific plan for the Middle East at his meeting with Mr Netanyahu on Monday.

"This is [the president's] first opportunity to take the next step to deepen and expand [US-Israeli co-operation. And I'm quite sure it will be the first of many such conversations," Haaretz quoted the official as saying.

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8053987.stm)

So could it actually happen? Could Israel actually agree to a two state solution? If all this does go through it could be implemented in a total of 8 years.

Could it finally happen? Or is this just a case of all talk, no action? Your thoughts NSG?
Linker Niederrhein
17-05-2009, 01:42
Didn't they agree, then disagree a few times already?
The South Islands
17-05-2009, 01:44
Everything is going to be nice and peachy until the next rocket attack and retaliation.
Dragontide
17-05-2009, 01:50
It is a different tone from Netanyahu. I hope it works out.
Vetalia
17-05-2009, 01:50
I'd support it. However, the Palestinians will need to realize nationhood also means acting like a nation...if things like suicide bombings and rocket attacks continue, then Israel will have a right to retaliate as if another independent nation attacked them. They'll need to clean house and eliminate the terrorist thugs if they want to achieve a stable, successful nation.
Non Aligned States
17-05-2009, 02:55
Meh, this will only go on until the next election polls show them running the risk of being ousted, or a rocket lands in Israel, or settlers decide to go butcher some Palestinians, or any number of retarded past times that infest the area. This song and dance is so old, it's got cobwebs.
Pope Joan
17-05-2009, 03:01
People become terrorists mainly because they lack the means to become truly equal opponents.

Give the Palestinians what the Israelis have, airboat gunships, skilled pilots, advanced fighter jets, advanced detection facilities, radiation and interference proof communication, and of course nukes (since we all know the Zionists have had them for years) and turn them loose.

Voila! No more mere terrorists! No more suicide bombers!

Now you just have real enemies to fight, on an equal footing.

America made Tel Aviv the terror it has become; it can do the same with Palestine.
Lunatic Goofballs
17-05-2009, 03:04
Israel and Palestine are the bogeymen each side uses to keep those in power where they are. They need something new to fear; Like me. :D
Pope Joan
17-05-2009, 03:10
that works for me, goofballs!

@@;;
The South Islands
17-05-2009, 03:12
Damn Jews need to be so damn jewy, in their jewhats speaking jewishese whilst jewing.
South Lorenya
17-05-2009, 03:28
It'd be great if they finally made peace.

Unfortunately, some people would rather see their "friends" live without a country for another sixty years than see peace. :/
Gauthier
17-05-2009, 03:33
Israel and Palestine are the bogeymen each side uses to keep those in power where they are. They need something new to fear; Like me. :D

A clown made of pork products?
Non Aligned States
17-05-2009, 03:36
Israel and Palestine are the bogeymen each side uses to keep those in power where they are. They need something new to fear; Like me. :D

*makes arrangements to have LG para dropped into Tel Aviv.*
Lunatic Goofballs
17-05-2009, 03:37
A clown made of pork products?

A clown wearing a bacon suit.

There really is a disturbing lack of clowns in the middle-east. And tacos. There's a correlation. If there were more clowns and tacos, there would be peace in the middle-east. *nod*
Hydesland
17-05-2009, 03:41
A clown wearing a bacon suit.

There really is a disturbing lack of clowns in the middle-east. And tacos. There's a correlation. If there were more clowns and tacos, there would be peace in the middle-east. *nod*

Maybe if you added Marmite to those tacos. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/de-bonos-marmite-plan-for-peace-in-middle-yeast-740189.html)
Gauthier
17-05-2009, 03:44
A clown wearing a bacon suit.

There really is a disturbing lack of clowns in the middle-east. And tacos. There's a correlation. If there were more clowns and tacos, there would be peace in the middle-east. *nod*

http://www.mcphee.com/resources/april/items/bacontux.html

http://www.mcphee.com/resources/april/baconsuit.jpg

Oh yes...
Lunatic Goofballs
17-05-2009, 03:52
*makes arrangements to have LG para dropped into Tel Aviv.*

Let me get my bacon suit done first.
Dragontide
17-05-2009, 04:00
A clown wearing a bacon suit.

There really is a disturbing lack of clowns in the middle-east. And tacos. There's a correlation. If there were more clowns and tacos, there would be peace in the middle-east. *nod*

*signs line one of the 2009 LG taco-clown act* (but sees pork added to the bill if the form of one bacon suit so adds own stipulation to get a free dinner at Zaxby's)
:D
Lunatic Goofballs
17-05-2009, 04:04
*signs line one of the 2009 LG taco-clown act* (but sees pork added to the bill if the form of one bacon suit so adds own stipulation to get a free dinner at Zaxby's)
:D

http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/yelclap.gif
greed and death
17-05-2009, 05:27
Israel and Palestine are the bogeymen each side uses to keep those in power where they are. They need something new to fear; Like me. :D

You may be strong in your secret pie layer. But survive a combined IDF PLA hamas assault I think you could not.
Lunatic Goofballs
17-05-2009, 05:32
You may be strong in your secret pie layer. But survive a combined IDF PLA hamas assault I think you could not.

Well, first I would need to recruit and train an elite force of professional silly people to insinuate themselves into all walks of Israeli and Palestinian life in order to sabotage the system from within with my own unique blend of irreverent rationality. *nod*
greed and death
17-05-2009, 05:39
Well, first I would need to recruit and train an elite force of professional silly people to insinuate themselves into all walks of Israeli and Palestinian life in order to sabotage the system from within with my own unique blend of irreverent rationality. *nod*

When suicide bombers are covered by the IDF while they make their attack runs no one wins. Except the IDF.
Lunatic Goofballs
17-05-2009, 05:42
When suicide bombers are covered by the IDF while they make their attack runs no one wins. Except the IDF.

I intend to replace suicide bombers with mad tacklers. *nod*
Non Aligned States
17-05-2009, 07:11
When suicide bombers are covered by the IDF while they make their attack runs no one wins. Except the IDF.

Ahh, but don't you see? When that level of cooperation has taken place, LG has already won. Peace exists between Israel and Palestine.
greed and death
17-05-2009, 07:17
Ahh, but don't you see? When that level of cooperation has taken place, LG has already won. Peace exists between Israel and Palestine.

And then when Palestine is out of suicide bombers and LG is dead the IDF goes back to claiming the west bank.
Colonic Immigration
17-05-2009, 07:49
Peace between Israel and Palestine?

No.
Svalbardania
17-05-2009, 11:36
I wish, but this sounds like the same old song and dance we hear all the time.
Ring of Isengard
17-05-2009, 11:36
I wish, but this sounds like the same old song and dance we hear all the time.

Like the Irish.
Svalbardania
17-05-2009, 11:40
Like the Irish.

I certainly do.
Ring of Isengard
17-05-2009, 11:42
I certainly do.

I'm a quarter Irish. ;)
The_pantless_hero
17-05-2009, 13:55
There will be no peace in Israel as long as the religious extremists who believe they have the Biblical right to the entire holy land remain in charge of government and while the US supports them unquestionably regardless of what they do.
Gravlen
17-05-2009, 18:49
I hope for peace, and I believe it's possible. Just not very probable, especially considering the people in power now. But it's the Middle East, anything can happen and I'm prepared to be surprised.

I'm questioning if Israel is serious in it's stated desire to have peace, and I'm questioning if the Palestinians can ever find the unity to hold on to any kind of peace.
The South Islands
17-05-2009, 18:56
Peace is so boring. What will CNN fill their broadcasting hours with?
Gravlen
17-05-2009, 19:06
Peace is so boring. What will CNN fill their broadcasting hours with?

Have you seen what they fill their hours with now?
Conserative Morality
17-05-2009, 19:12
I wish, but this sounds like the same old song and dance we hear all the time.

Indeed. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rSRJsjiBdY)
The South Islands
17-05-2009, 19:18
Have you seen what they fill their hours with now?

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

And talking heads. Oh, the talking heads.
Gravlen
17-05-2009, 19:25
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

And talking heads. Oh, the talking heads.

What the President had for lunch, and homosexuality...
The South Islands
17-05-2009, 19:26
What the President had for lunch, and homosexuality...

The president had homosexuality for lunch? :confused:
Conserative Morality
17-05-2009, 19:30
The president had homosexuality or lunch? :confused:

The President had a Homosexual man for lunch. *nod*
Gravlen
17-05-2009, 19:39
As usual on NSG, a thread on the Israel-Palestine conflict has turned into a debate about the president of the US and his involvement with gay men...
Conserative Morality
17-05-2009, 19:40
As usual on NSG, a thread on the Israel-Palestine conflict has turned into a debate about the president of the US and his involvement with gay men...

You say this as if this is a bad thing. :confused:
Gravlen
17-05-2009, 19:47
You say this as if this is a bad thing. :confused:

It's just getting tiresome to see every single Israel-Palestine thread ending up like this...
Conserative Morality
17-05-2009, 19:51
It's just getting tiresome to see every single Israel-Palestine thread ending up like this...
Don't spoil our fun.:(
Gravlen
17-05-2009, 20:05
Don't spoil our fun.:(

Don't worry; I won't stop you from having all the homosexual sex you desire.
Conserative Morality
17-05-2009, 20:10
Don't worry; I won't stop you from having all the homosexual sex you desire.

Erm... Hooray, I suppose.:tongue:
The South Islands
17-05-2009, 21:54
As usual on NSG, a thread on the Israel-Palestine conflict has turned into a debate about the president of the US and his involvement with gay men...

Dude, don't take it personally. It doesn't reflect on you. Its just that we've heard the same story about "Peace" for the past 20 years from both sides, and all that ends up happening is a whole bunch of killing. We're cynical. Can you blame us?
Gravlen
17-05-2009, 22:25
Dude, don't take it personally. It doesn't reflect on you. Its just that we've heard the same story about "Peace" for the past 20 years from both sides, and all that ends up happening is a whole bunch of killing. We're cynical. Can you blame us?

If I can blame you? Of course I can! I mean, you're like a walking cathalyst for homosexuality, driving otherwise straight men to write haikus about your ass hair...

So it's a wonder that your presence alone in any thread don't derail them and lead to debates about world leaders and homoerotic desires.
The South Islands
17-05-2009, 22:29
If I can blame you? Of course I can! I mean, you're like a walking cathalyst for homosexuality, driving otherwise straight men to write haikus about your ass hair...

So it's a wonder that your presence alone in any thread don't derail them and lead to debates about world leaders and homoerotic desires.

: D

My work here is done.

And you, good sir, have made my sig complete.