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Pipeline-Istan

The Snake Brotherhood
16-05-2009, 20:09
Since the Iraqi war, some people have said it's all about oil and gas, well, I've come across this article and it tells all, from Clinton to now. Here's a warning: this article is long and is not directly related to the internal US politics, so you can skip this post if you don't care. Nevertheless, I found it very interesting of how governments in the Middle-East, Russia, China and of course the US, are dealing with the ever increasing need for energy resources. Your views?

(can't put a link yet, so type in Google "Pipeline-Istan: Everything You Need to Know About Oil, Gas, Russia, China, Iran, Afghanistan and Obama"


Some useful quotes:

"...The immense energy battlefield that extends from Iran to the Pacific Ocean. It's there that the Liquid War for the control of Eurasia takes place.

"We've already seen Pipelineistan wars in Kosovo and Georgia, and we've followed Washington's favorite pipeline, the BTC, which was supposed to tilt the flow of energy westward, sending oil coursing past both Iran and Russia.

"As much as Washington may live in perpetual denial, Russia and Iran together control roughly 20% of the world's oil reserves and nearly 50% of its gas reserves.

"Pakistan, after all, is an energy-poor, desperate customer of the Grid ... IPI (the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline), far more than any form of U.S. aid (or outright interference), would go the extra mile in stabilizing the Pak half of Obama's Af-Pak theater of operations, and even possibly relieve it of its India obsession.

"Though currently only holding "observer" status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), sooner or later [Iran] will inevitably become a full member and so enjoy NATO-style, an-attack-on-one-of-us-is-an-attack-on-all-of-us protection.

"One key reason the Central Asians love to do business with China is that the Middle Kingdom, unlike both Russia and the United States, carries little modern imperial baggage. And of course, China will never carp about human rights or foment a color-coded revolution of any sort.

"The [China-Turkmenistan] agreement explicitly states that "Chinese interests" will not be "threatened from [Turkmenistan's] territory by third parties." In translation: no Pentagon bases allowed in that country.

"There are to be no Russian-Chinese antagonisms, as befits the main partners in the SCO, because the Asian Energy Security Grid story is really and truly about them.

"It remains to be seen how the Obama national security team decides to counteract the successful Russian strategy of undermining by all possible means a U.S.-promoted East-West Caspian Sea energy corridor, while solidifying a Russian-controlled Pipelineistan stretching from Kazakhstan to Greece that will monopolize the flow of energy to Western Europe.

"In the ever-shifting New Great Game in Eurasia, a key question -- why Afghanistan matters -- is simply not part of the discussion in the United States. (Hint: It has nothing to do with the liberation of Afghan women.)

""Losing" Afghanistan and its key network of U.S. military bases would, from the Pentagon's point of view, be a disaster.

"...don't forget the narco-dollar angle -- the fact that the global heroin cartels that feast on Afghanistan only work with U.S. dollars, not euros.

"Nothing of significance takes place in Eurasia without an energy angle

"As in any game of high stakes Pipelineistan poker, it all comes down to the top two global players - Washington and Beijing."
Ring of Isengard
16-05-2009, 20:12
What?
The Snake Brotherhood
16-05-2009, 20:53
Which part exactly did you not get?
Ring of Isengard
16-05-2009, 21:01
What do you want me to say? As I can't see that you asked anything.
The Snake Brotherhood
16-05-2009, 21:58
I just asked if any of you have an opinion on the matter, or is willing to share their impression. I explicitly said that if you dont care to do that, you could easily just skip this post. Since you bothered to waste some time responding, i'm prone to think that you actually DO HAVE something to say on the matter, or i'm wrong?
Skallvia
16-05-2009, 22:04
Agreed, except Id add Moscow in there too...

Since Russia controls a large part of those energy reserves as well..

It comes down to Washington,Moscow, and Beijing...
The Snake Brotherhood
16-05-2009, 22:43
It was explained that Moscow currently has some small problems, to say the least ;)
But its true, they have the resource base.
CanuckHeaven
16-05-2009, 22:44
What do you want me to say? As I can't see that you asked anything.
I think the question is quite clear?

Since the Iraqi war, some people have said it's all about oil and gas, well, I've come across this article and it tells all, from Clinton to now. Here's a warning: this article is long and is not directly related to the internal US politics, so you can skip this post if you don't care. Nevertheless, I found it very interesting of how governments in the Middle-East, Russia, China and of course the US, are dealing with the ever increasing need for energy resources. Your views?
Ring of Isengard
16-05-2009, 22:48
I think the question is quite clear?

I can't read.
CanuckHeaven
16-05-2009, 22:49
BTW, here is a link for you......you might want to put it in the OP:

Pipeline-Istan: Everything You Need to Know About Oil, Gas, Russia, China, Iran, Afghanistan and Obama (http://www.alternet.org/audits/139983/pipeline-istan%3A_everything_you_need_to_know_about_oil%2C_gas%2C_russia%2C_china%2C_iran%2C_afghanistan_and_ obama/?page=4)

http://www.alternet.org/audits/139983/pipeline-istan%3A_everything_you_need_to_know_about_oil%2C_gas%2C_russia%2C_china%2C_iran%2C_afghanistan_and_ obama/?page=4
The Snake Brotherhood
16-05-2009, 22:50
I can't read.

Indeed.
The Snake Brotherhood
16-05-2009, 22:51
BTW, here is a link for you......you might want to put it in the OP:

Pipeline-Istan: Everything You Need to Know About Oil, Gas, Russia, China, Iran, Afghanistan and Obama (http://www.alternet.org/audits/139983/pipeline-istan%3A_everything_you_need_to_know_about_oil%2C_gas%2C_russia%2C_china%2C_iran%2C_afghanistan_and_ obama/?page=4)

http://www.alternet.org/audits/139983/pipeline-istan%3A_everything_you_need_to_know_about_oil%2C_gas%2C_russia%2C_china%2C_iran%2C_afghanistan_and_ obama/?page=4


Thanx, but i cant put links yet (need a higher level on the forum or smth).
CanuckHeaven
16-05-2009, 22:52
Thanx, but i cant put links yet (need a higher level on the forum or smth).
A couple of more posts should do. :D
Ring of Isengard
16-05-2009, 22:53
Thanx, but i cant put links yet (need a higher level on the forum or smth).

Really?
The Snake Brotherhood
16-05-2009, 23:37
Really?

Got a problem?
Skallvia
16-05-2009, 23:39
Got a problem?

I think its more along the lines that...anyone can posts links, when I first started this profile it could post links....
Dragontide
16-05-2009, 23:41
Thanx, but i cant put links yet (need a higher level on the forum or smth).

I didnt know that. With all the mods here to keep spammers away, a newb should be allowed to post a link IMO.

As to the OP my theory is stated in my Chalmers Johnson sig.
Ring of Isengard
16-05-2009, 23:49
Got a problem?

Yeah, and I'm thick.
BunnySaurus Bugsii
17-05-2009, 00:28
I think its more along the lines that...anyone can posts links, when I first started this profile it could post links....

It changed a few months back, when Jolt dropped the new-user post delay for us.

I think you need ten posts to put in direct links now. So Snake should be good to go.
The Snake Brotherhood
17-05-2009, 12:55
No. Just 4 posts (this is my 4th). And i dont think i'm a spammer, since i actually wrote a post raising some questions. Its not my problem that no-one cares to respond to the actual topic of the OP. ;)
Galloism
17-05-2009, 12:58
No. Just 4 posts (this is my 4th). And i dont think i'm a spammer, since i actually wrote a post raising some questions. Its not my problem that no-one cares to respond to the actual topic of the OP. ;)

Well, now that you have 11 posts, you should be able to edit the OP and put the link in.

EVERYONE BACK TO THE TOPIC!!!! Oooh, hey, pie...