NationStates Jolt Archive

So, I heard somewhere that the US Treasury Bond is about to lose its AAA rating. I'm going to pretend its true, and then wildly conjecture about the consequences to include the impending collapse of the US Government.

In response, I'm going to spend my summer off from Law School forming a Crazy Survivalist Militia, to help survive the coming dark days of upheaval, cities afire, and discouraging economic indicators.

Since NSG has a fine array of folks from far flung nations, I call upon you to help me craft the charter for this militia in an inclusive and participatory way. After all, as the true armed force of the common people, the Militia has a duty to be representative of the citizenry.

So, to contribute, all you have to do is propose an article, and one other poster must second it. It then goes on the list of articles. Once we have a dozen or so, all thread participants vote, with an article needing twice as many for as against to pass. You are not required to vote on every article, but abstaining makes that article easier for somebody else to pass, so you may be motivated to vote on everything.


I propose Article I: Membership criteria shall not discriminate on the basis of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation.

If this is even remotely true, when the anarchy does come, I am going to loot, and loot hard.

I propose Article 2: Looting shall be encouraged.

I propose Article 2: Looting shall be encouraged.

I'll second a pro looting article if you flesh it about a bit more, looting priorities, who to loot, etc.

I think we should begin by declaring some self-evident truths. The ensuing debate will motivate our militia to each pick one law and take responsibility for enforcing it. This will avoid the man-trap known as "government."

Article II: Each member must own at least 8 guns, including at least 1 hand gun, at least 1 shot gun and at least 1 rifle (auto, semi-auto, bolt action, etc at the member's discretion).

I agree with Boonytopia here. Luckily, because I rather like the chap and don't want to have to shoot him.

Being a Militia, possession of a working weapon and sufficient ammunition to defend Liberty is clearly a condition of membership.

Anyone walking around unarmed, or for that matter found hiding without sufficient means of taking life, would be considered a hostile alien and summarily shot.

Article II: Each member must own at least 8 guns, including at least 1 hand gun, at least 1 shot gun and at least 1 rifle (auto, semi-auto, bolt action, etc at the member's discretion).

I'll second this one if we can add the clause to the effect that you have to own the core 3, and be making good faith efforts to fill out the other 5.

Damn gun nuts are driving up the prices on guns, y'know.

I agree with Boonytopia here. Luckily, because I rather like the chap and don't want to have to shoot him.

Being a Militia, possession of a working weapon and sufficient ammunition to defend Liberty is clearly a condition of membership.

Anyone walking around unarmed, or for that matter found hiding without sufficient means of taking life, would be considered a hostile alien and summarily shot.

This would make us essentially hostile to all non-combatants?

That sounds ammo intensive, and the only up shot is it solves some food problems. Can't back you on that one, but somebody else might.

I think we should begin by declaring some self-evident truths. The ensuing debate will motivate our militia to each pick one law and take responsibility for enforcing it. This will avoid the man-trap known as "government."

Well, pitch a "truth" and see if it gets ratified as an article.

Anyone walking around unarmed, or for that matter found hiding without sufficient means of taking life, would be considered a hostile alien and summarily shot.

Absolutely, almost goes without saying.

Absolutely, almost goes without saying.

This sounds like the General Zapp Brannigan doctrine on dealing with "hostiles".

Well, pitch a "truth" and see if it gets ratified as an article.

I'm smarter than my sister. That's self-evident.

I can see that our preamble might be a bit long and cluttered if everyone gets to declare whatever truth is self-evident to them, so perhaps we could generalize that truth a bit. Men are smarter than women and should get to make all the important decisions.

This would make us essentially hostile to all non-combatants?

"Non-combatant" is UN wuss-speak for "coward." And shooting people isn't "hostile" -- it is giving them the opportunity to exercise their primary right, that being the right of self-defence.

It is not our responsibility to defend those who refuse to defend themselves. They can move to Europe if they need that kind of babying.

I'm smarter than my sister. That's self-evident.

I can see that our preamble might be a bit long and cluttered if everyone gets to declare whatever truth is self-evident to them, so perhaps we could generalize that truth a bit. Men are smarter than women and should get to make all the important decisions.

We, uh...might lose a lot of women members with an article like that.

"Non-combatant" is UN wuss-speak for "coward." And shooting people isn't "hostile" -- it is giving them the opportunity to exercise their primary right, that being the right of self-defence.

It is not our responsibility to defend those who refuse to defend themselves. They can move to Europe if they need that kind of babying.

Will we have spare ammo to spend on people who weren't threats to us?

We must also avoid the pitfall of Weekend Survivalists, that being dependence on the fragile economy of what used to be the United States. Canned food and guns are only a temporary solution -- we must have a cannery and an ammo factory, and within five years of Independence, a world class weapons manufacturing industry.

A few seeds and a petrol dump aren't going to ensure our long-term survival. We need working infrastructure -- proven agricultural resources, farms, oil wells and refineries. Ultimately, a military industrial complex. It would be pathetic to "survive" at the standard of primitive societies, we must survive with panache and pride.

We should decide whether to build the necessary infrastructure ourselves, or to use the confiscated property of negligent citizens who fail in their duty to defend their property with lethal force. Obviously, I favour the "just take it" option, but if any of our militia have the necessary skills and the inclination to knock up a CPU fabrication plant, I for one won't stand in their way.

I propose Article I: Membership criteria shall not discriminate on the basis of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation.

Yah, that's exactly not how crazy survivalist militias work. Straight off you have to decide which group(s) is/are responsible for the collapse of the US and specifically declare war on them. I'd also throw in something about jesus.

Oh, and you have to bury gold coins all over the place. Because gold is the only 'real' money. Which is why the joos always steal it.

We, uh...might lose a lot of women members with an article like that.

"Lose" them? How could you possibly "lose" a woman?

I know they do tend to wander off, or get lost while out foraging for your dinner, but surely we could just fence them in. If losses were too great even then (women don't understand electricity after all) we could barter some of our produce with adjacent regions.

Actually, that might be a good idea anyway. We could let the really fugly ones "escape" and replace them with comely specimens from the border markets.

Oh, and you have to bury gold coins all over the place. Because gold is the only 'real' money. Which is why the joos always steal it.

I think we're going to need some Jews. Physics research would collapse without them.

With enough physics research, we will be able to transmute base metals into gold.

You have to take the long view on this. Having some Jews is a risk worth taking.

I think we're going to need some Jews. Physics research would collapse without them.

With enough physics research, we will be able to transmute base metals into gold.

You have to take the long view on this. Having some Jews is a risk worth taking.

No no no! If someone figures out how to transmute base metals into gold, then what would be the point of burying the gold in the first place?!

It goes against the very things that timothy mcveigh died for.

Yah, that's exactly not how crazy survivalist militias work. Straight off you have to decide which group(s) is/are responsible for the collapse of the US and specifically declare war on them. I'd also throw in something about jesus.

This is a very good point. I would suggest that the more responsible groups that can be identified, the stronger the militia will be.

This is a very good point. I would suggest that the more responsible groups that can be identified, the stronger the militia will be.

Indeed. They are either with us or against us. The more who are against us, the more will be with us.

It is vital to muster as much opposition as possible, so that we appear as the only viable alternative to anything, anywhere!

I want to point out a catchy slogan and an appealing, eye catching flag are in order. The Confederate flag has been over taken by a bunch of wacko rednecks so that one is out of the question. You guys need to come up with those two items. You could get countless members on a good set of those two things. I suggest a slogan that is an oldie but goodie.... "Don't tread on me!"

I would suggest the flag feature an image of the statue of liberty holding a rifle rather than a torch.

Every item of clothing worn by members should have a completely inappropriate camouflage pattern.

Some kind of religion based around worshipping a small votive bust of Ayn Rand.

Every item of clothing worn by members should have a completely inappropriate camouflage pattern.

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I second this plan.

That all Male Members have Van dyke Beards or Handlebar Moustaches

All members to have names of the form

Blankety Bob Blank
or Blankety Lee Blank

I'll second a pro looting article if you flesh it about a bit more, looting priorities, who to loot, etc.

Article II - Loot rights
The looter in command is ultimately responsible for, and is the final authority to the operation of the looting team.

The looter-in-command may violate any rule of this part to ensure the safety of his looting team, but may be required to submit a report to the administrator(s) on request.

Looting shall be encouraged. In the event of random looting, any source of foodstuffs, ammunition, needed equipment, and/or women is leave to proceed with looting if it seems likely that deadly force will not be required.

In the event of a well-armed or defended target, looting must be decided for or against based on the risk versus the reward of the loot in question. The proposal will be written and submitted to the governing body of the militia group for approval, which will then decide to go through with the plan, or to deny the request. The governing body may also decide how many members to go, who is assigned as looter-in-command, and what tactics and strategies to be used. However, this does not in any way compromise the in-battle command authority of the looter-in-command.

If this is even remotely true, when the anarchy does come, I am going to loot, and loot hard.

Same here. We will need to negotiate our mutual border though to prevent future hostilities.:tongue: How far north are you planning on looting?

When society collapses, your Crazy Survivalist Militia can form an alliance with my Roving Band of Maniacs. *nod*

I would suggest the flag feature an image of the statue of liberty holding a rifle rather than a torch.

How about a naked woman in silhouette, holding a rifle?

I propose Article I: Membership criteria shall not discriminate on the basis of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation.
Way too specific... Swear an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. That should cover it.

Post apocalyptia looting list:

Lawn flamingos.
Old tires.
Chipped coffee cups.
Empty legal pads (no paper left).
Used cardboard coasters.
Pens with mismatched caps.
Black and white televisions.
Trucker caps.

So, I heard somewhere that the US Treasury Bond is about to lose its AAA rating. I'm going to pretend its true, and then wildly conjecture about the consequences to include the impending collapse of the US Government.

In response, I'm going to spend my summer off from Law School forming a Crazy Survivalist Militia, to help survive the coming dark days of upheaval, cities afire, and discouraging economic indicators.

Since NSG has a fine array of folks from far flung nations, I call upon you to help me craft the charter for this militia in an inclusive and participatory way. After all, as the true armed force of the common people, the Militia has a duty to be representative of the citizenry.

So, to contribute, all you have to do is propose an article, and one other poster must second it. It then goes on the list of articles. Once we have a dozen or so, all thread participants vote, with an article needing twice as many for as against to pass. You are not required to vote on every article, but abstaining makes that article easier for somebody else to pass, so you may be motivated to vote on everything.


I propose Article I: Membership criteria shall not discriminate on the basis of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation.

I second Article 1 on the condition that you add "ethnicity, sex, and lack of religious belief." The last two may seem redundant, but I've heard some people differentiate between sex and gender, and including "lack of religious belief" closes a loop hole for those who might say that atheism/agnosticism is not covered under protection of "religion." Its rather tolerant for a crazy militia, but this is the 21st century.;)

Way too specific... Swear an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. That should cover it.

Much of the Constitution deals with the running of government. If the old government had collapsed, would this be applicable?

Article Two (or three, or however many have been ratified):

All members will swear to uphold, against all enemies foreign and domestic, the Bill of Rights and the core principles of the Declaration of Independence: that all men are created equal and posses the inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

How about a naked woman in silhouette, holding a rifle?

If you are talking about the type that appear on mud flaps I say good idea. Shouldn't be to difficult to fit a firearm in their somewhere. Just can't hide the curves.

Much of the Constitution deals with the running of government. If the old government had collapsed, would this be applicable?

Article Two (or three, or however many have been ratified):

All members will swear to uphold, against all enemies foreign and domestic, the Bill of Rights and the core principles of the Declaration of Independence: that all men are created equal and posses the inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
I guess it depends on what you expect to accomplish, or what purpose the militia serves. I see it as a last ditch effort to preserve the nation, rather than a band of marauding looters.

You know, it's a lot easier to just form a fascist or Stalinist doctrine. Worked pretty well at taming inflation and debt in Germany/Hungary.

Article II - Loot rights
The looter in command is ultimately responsible for, and is the final authority to the operation of the looting team.

The looter-in-command may violate any rule of this part to ensure the safety of his looting team, but may be required to submit a report to the administrator(s) on request.

Looting shall be encouraged. In the event of random looting, any source of foodstuffs, ammunition, needed equipment, and/or women is leave to proceed with looting if it seems likely that deadly force will not be required.

In the event of a well-armed or defended target, looting must be decided for or against based on the risk versus the reward of the loot in question. The proposal will be written and submitted to the governing body of the militia group for approval, which will then decide to go through with the plan, or to deny the request. The governing body may also decide how many members to go, who is assigned as looter-in-command, and what tactics and strategies to be used. However, this does not in any way compromise the in-battle command authority of the looter-in-command.

I'll second all of this.

You know, it's a lot easier to just form a fascist or Stalinist doctrine. Worked pretty well at taming inflation and debt in Germany/Hungary.

Apparently, fascists are gay bashers, and I was hoping we could get Tim Gunn on our side, or maybe Fass as our chief medical officer.

Much of the Constitution deals with the running of government. If the old government had collapsed, would this be applicable?

Article Two (or three, or however many have been ratified):

All members will swear to uphold, against all enemies foreign and domestic, the Bill of Rights and the core principles of the Declaration of Independence: that all men are created equal and posses the inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

So, we'd have to spend a lot of time tracking and/or repelling foreign incursions?

I was hoping all the other governments would have collapses concurrently or near so with ours. If this thing goes Red Dawn, its going to be even worse.

Same here. We will need to negotiate our mutual border though to prevent future hostilities.:tongue: How far north are you planning on looting?

when Anarchy comes I get to be Lord Humongous.

I already have the outfit.

I guess it depends on what you expect to accomplish, or what purpose the militia serves. I see it as a last ditch effort to preserve the nation, rather than a band of marauding looters.

Their is another option: preserving the fundimental spirit and character of a free nation, while recognizing that some specific wordings in the Constitution might not be applicable in a complete breakdown of society.

Then again, I'm no expert on Constitutional Law. I'm just speculating that it might be good to consider these possibilities.

You know, it's a lot easier to just form a fascist or Stalinist doctrine. Worked pretty well at taming inflation and debt in Germany/Hungary.

The key thing is having Stalin, but we're saving him for later, so you guys can't have him yet.

The key thing is having Stalin, but we're saving him for later, so you guys can't have him yet.

We secretly swapped him with Walt Disney, but the evilometer registered equivalent readings so nobody noticed.

Stalin was a big Disney fan - proof, if proof is needed, of his evil nature.

I'll second all of this.

Yay!

The key thing is having Stalin, but we're saving him for later, so you guys can't have him yet.

:eek2:
You've got him too? I thought we're safe, after one of ours drove a stake through that Lenin you keep on Red Square...