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http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090512/pl_politico/22387;_ylt=AuQ.ZNFRw71oSgP2vI5bUXq_w5R4

Politico toes the line of a right-wing rag (though Yahoo stills says it is a legit news source), but that fact actually helps the article.

For those in the US who havn't heard, popular governor of Florida Crist has decided to run for a Florida Senate seat instead of seeking another term but it looks like he is running up against the same brick wall that Specter was going to hit causing him to bail the run away party - a far right-wing contender who looks to take the Republican votes in the primary. Since Crist is refusing to bail like the political opportunist Specter did, this will be a referendum of the GOP. And you know things are looking bad for the Grand Ol' Party when some one who would have a very good shot of actually winning the general election for the Republicans is likely to lose the primary. Not only that, but any attempts by the party officials to discourage his contender are falling on deaf ears (what did they expect to happen without any balls?).

I am not sure who in the Republican party decided that the answer to losing because of marginalization is moar marginalization!!11!1!, but whoever it is looked to be encouraging an impressive fissure in the party that I predict will split it. It may not be any time soon, but I would say within the decade the Republican moderates will realize it is either party loyalty or their cushy political careers and will all bail the party to form a right-wing moderate party creating three parties - the Democrats, the neocon derelict of the GOP, and whatever the Republican moderates will call themselves (probably something catchy like 'Anti-socialist party').

Opinions.

I tell you, those Florida politicians..

.. and their kids..

.. coke heads..

.. all of them..

..

I tell you, those Florida politicians..

.. and their kids..

.. coke heads..

.. all of them..

..
Galloism say:

That sums up 95% of Florida's general population, right there.

I tell you, those Florida politicians..

.. and their kids..

.. coke heads..

.. all of them..

..
in your opinion

i don't know if the split will actually happen or not. but the only way to avoid it would seem to require that the inmates no longer be allowed free run of the asylum. which means guys with top hats and monocles somehow beating the racists and the gun nuts and the god botherers and the emotionally/intellectually stunted into submission again. and they really are not starting from a particularly favorable position to do so. tough battle ahead if they go that route, given how outnumbered they are.

As I said before (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14198534&postcount=89), republicans are their own greatest enemy.

crist is popular enough that he might be able to win the primary anyway.

in your opinion

Which is completely relevant. *nod*

Which is completely relevant. *nod*
completely

crist is popular enough that he might be able to win the primary anyway.

The right-wing sociopaths are averaged, according to the article, at around 30% of the voting block, and with talking heads and other jackboots accusing him of not being Republican enough and GOP officials without any teeth, I imagine that will all go to his opponent. The right-wing is marginalizing in response to a loss because of marginalization and is disowning and badmouthing its most widely popular figures. When the moderates realize it is party loyalty or their careers, it will be rats on the Titanic.

The right-wing sociopaths are averaged, according to the article, at around 30% of the voting block, and with talking heads and other jackboots accusing him of not being Republican enough and GOP officials without any teeth, I imagine that will all go to his opponent. The right-wing is marginalizing in response to a loss because of marginalization and is disowning and badmouthing its most widely popular figures. When the moderates realize it is party loyalty or their careers, it will be rats on the Titanic.
it will depend on whether or not crist can convince the non-crazy republicans to get out and vote in the primary.

it will depend on whether or not crist can convince the non-crazy republicans to get out and vote in the primary.

The problem is he needs 50+% of eligible primary voters to support him where the other guy needs 20-30%. So unless Florida allows independents to vote in primaries, I don't see odds being on his side.

The problem is he needs 50+% of eligible primary voters to support him where the other guy needs 20-30%. So unless Florida allows independents to vote in primaries, I don't see odds being on his side.
it IS a problem.

but its too early to tell if he is popular enough to get even the nutcases to vote for him. i suppose it depends on the personality of his challenger. if he is not particularly likeable he might not win.

I don't know, I think any split in the Republican party will also split the Democrats; there are plenty of Democrats that aren't ideologically in-line with their leadership on all issues, and if a new GOP offshoot offers a political platform similar to their own views, they're likely going to jump ship and support them instead. Generally, though, that's how it happens...they disintegrate in the aftermath of having a whole lot of power.

We can say it's officially dead if it's Palin/Jindall 2012.

Politico toes the line of a right-wing rag (though Yahoo stills says it is a legit news source), but that fact actually helps the article.


My memory might be imperfect, but I don't remember that being the attitude most people held toward the Politico...

I don't know, I think any split in the Republican party will also split the Democrats; there are plenty of Democrats that aren't ideologically in-line with their leadership on all issues, and if a new GOP offshoot offers a political platform similar to their own views, they're likely going to jump ship and support them instead.
Which is why the Democrats didn't split during the off-years. The Democrats arn't a party based on everyone believing the same thing. That and the Democrats' careers wouldn't be threatened so there would be no reason for a career politician to leave the party if the Republicans split.

Now, there might be voters that leave the Democrat party for the new Republicans - moderate former Republicans who jumped ship because their careers wern't based on party loyalty.

My memory might be imperfect, but I don't remember that being the attitude most people held toward the Politico...

I imagine most people are statistically idiots as well. But I can look at Politico's headlines and then look at the headers from the half-dozen political sites linked by Yahoo and you don't even have to read the articles to know Politico has Fox in the running for news outlet cum right-wing rag. And if you do read the articles, it just backs it up.

I'd say this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/world_news_america/8047062.stm) is the death knell of the republican party.

We can say it's officially dead if it's Palin/Jindall 2012.

Just wait and see. Its not that implausible. I have great confidence in the suicidal stupidity of the cartoon joke party that is the current GOP.

I tell you, those Florida politicians..

.. and their kids..

.. coke heads..

.. all of them..

..


Thought that was California....

I'd say this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/world_news_america/8047062.stm) is the death knell of the republican party.
Can we call his daughter Liz the Oblivious to Irony.

I read the title of the OP article as "Republicians may buck Christ"

I read the title of the OP article as "Republicians may buck Christ"

Silly Dove. They did that in the 1970s.

I read the title of the OP article as "Republicians may buck Christ"

Ironically, I misread that line as something noticably more vulgar. >_>

I imagine most people are statistically idiots as well. But I can look at Politico's headlines and then look at the headers from the half-dozen political sites linked by Yahoo and you don't even have to read the articles to know Politico has Fox in the running for news outlet cum right-wing rag. And if you do read the articles, it just backs it up.

I mean people in Washington, from when I worked there. Now, I didn't read it myself, my apartment came with the previous resident's subscription to the Post, but I recall the Politico being regarded as being more of a political muckraker than anything. I worked at a very large foreign policy think tank (no, not a conservative one), and there was at least some regard for the rag.

It's far too early to be displaying such hubris. The national honeymoon with Obama has barely started. Pride before the fall and all that.

My opinion is Crist will win.
The opponet isn't looking to win the senate seat he is looking to make a name for himself by putting up a good fight. The media is hyping it, because we got tired of being angry at rich people and Obama's dog was not as cute as we thought it would be. The second this other guy looks like he might win the party leadership will run him off. The GOP needs the senate seat too bad and they know the governor can deliver.

It's far too early to be displaying such hubris. The national honeymoon with Obama has barely started. Pride before the fall and all that.

I always expect to hear the "rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated" line come out of the world of politics.

Ironically, I misread that line as something noticably more vulgar. >_>

Was it "Republicans f*gets shot*

It's far too early to be displaying such hubris. The national honeymoon with Obama has barely started. Pride before the fall and all that.

Agreed. Let's keep on making sure the GOP dies and stays dead.

I tell you, those Florida politicians..

.. and their kids..

.. coke heads..

.. all of them..

..


Pfft... as if Pepsi is better. :tongue:

Agreed. Let's keep on making sure the GOP dies and stays dead.

Fuck yeah one party state!

Fuck yeah one party state!
Of course not. Someone else will fill the vacuum.

Of course not. Someone else will fill the vacuum.

Indeed. Someone else further left.

Of course not. Someone else will fill the vacuum.

Not if they're banned!

Not if they're banned!

Nah, they're only banned for one day to one week.

Then their accounts are deleted.

I should know.

Nah, they're only banned for one day to one week.

Then their accounts are deleted.

I should know.

Yes, you should.

My opinion is Crist will win.
The opponet isn't looking to win the senate seat he is looking to make a name for himself by putting up a good fight. The media is hyping it, because we got tired of being angry at rich people and Obama's dog was not as cute as we thought it would be. The second this other guy looks like he might win the party leadership will run him off. The GOP needs the senate seat too bad and they know the governor can deliver.
The problem being that the GOP core (religious right-wing block-head thick gun nut white collars) are now turning on the remotely more moderates with the same vicious idiocy they used on the Democrats. The talking heads and their very large constituency they command (shown by the fact that the GOP officials bow to them) want a "pure" party, which mean moderates who can win elections are decried and all attempts are being made to out them (then decrying them for leaving).

The problem being that the GOP core (religious right-wing block-head thick gun nut white collars) are now turning on the remotely more moderates with the same vicious idiocy they used on the Democrats. The talking heads and their very large constituency they command (shown by the fact that the GOP officials bow to them) want a "pure" party, which mean moderates who can win elections are decried and all attempts are being made to out them (then decrying them for leaving).

Then, it dies.

Good.

Then, it dies.

Good.
I wouldn't get your dancing shoes out just yet... I know you're too young to recall, but the Democrats were in pretty poor shape during the 70's after Carter and again in the 90's. It's all cyclic and the Republicans are just entering the lower half of the cycle. Hell, look at how bad off they were in the '40s and they came back.

Unless the Democrats can take legislative action to make it impossible for anyone to campaign against them, the Republicans will be back.

Unless the Democrats can take legislative action to make it impossible for anyone to campaign against them, the Republicans will be back.

As they are? I doubt it.

You seem to mistake the death of the Republican Party for the death of Conservatism in the US. It's not like the Elephants will fold and we'll turn into a Swedish Welfare State Social Democracy.

You seem to mistake the death of the Republican Party for the death of Conservatism in the US. It's not like the Elephants will fold and we'll turn into a Swedish Welfare State Social Democracy.

True, but even a temporary split into multiple parties can't help them, unless the Democrats suffer a bad split too.

You seem to mistake the death of the Republican Party for the death of Conservatism in the US. It's not like the Elephants will fold and we'll turn into a Swedish Welfare State Social Democracy.

I'm sorry, who said that? No one I have read. Neither has anyone said this isn't a cyclic event and the Republicans won't return to power. I believe they will. However, the actions they are taking arn't uniting the party nor are they even designed to win elections. Politicians are politicians and if party loyalty threatens the Republican moderates' careers, they may decide it would be better to split off into their own party and benefit from the hubris of the Democrats and the implosion of the neocon Republicans.

For Republicans, the unholy alliance of social conservatives and fiscal conservatives is ripping at the seams. After years of being united they finally fall apart. At least it got Republicans control of the House for once. It had a good run. In order for the party to be successful over the long run, it needs to find a new demographic to hook into and a new ideological outlook. "Old white guys" is no longer the Silent Majority, and as of right now, citizens of the United States outside of the South aren't big fans of conservatism as sold by the GOP. Obviously they will be back in power eventually, and the party will not disintegrate. However, unless something changes, they'll be in the wilderness for a long time.

As they are? I doubt it.
And maybe some administrative action, too... I'm thinking about little things like census counting, immigration pardons, and so on. These are going to create more Democratic voters. Big things can matter, too. New entitlements are going to be impossible to campaign against.

As I said elsewhere, the only chance I see for a vital Republican party is that they will endorse the Fair Tax. Whether you like it personally, or not isn't the issue. Endorsement of the Fair Tax would provide an issue that's a clear difference between them and Democrats, it doesn't involve religion and morality, and it's something that is becoming more popular at the grass roots.

I would say a lot of the US's problems stem from the fact that there is a bias towards taxing production rather than consumption. That alone makes the fair tax a good idea.

Won't ever happen though since a large portion of the electorate doesn't produce anything, but they do like their consumption.

As I said elsewhere, the only chance I see for a vital Republican party is that they will endorse the Fair Tax. Whether you like it personally, or not isn't the issue. Endorsement of the Fair Tax would provide an issue that's a clear difference between them and Democrats, it doesn't involve religion and morality, and it's something that is becoming more popular at the grass roots.

The only thing related to tax that the Republicans are talking about are No Tax, and while more appealing than Fair Tax, seems way too unrealistic for anyone but the most deluded to fall for.

I would say a lot of the US's problems stem from the fact that there is a bias towards taxing production rather than consumption. That alone makes the fair tax a good idea.

Won't ever happen though since a large portion of the electorate doesn't produce anything, but they do like their consumption.

Only if you ignore the fact that the Fair Tax will likely end up just as fair as the tax system is now, but now with extra pressure on people at the low end of the financial spectrum.

The only thing related to tax that the Republicans are talking about are No Tax, and while more appealing than Fair Tax, seems way too unrealistic for anyone but the most deluded to fall for.

No no no, it's "no tax for people who make lots of money" subsidized by "all those poor slackers who don't do anything but drink booze on the street because, you know, if you are poor, that is all you do, there is no way you could be working and still be poor."

Only if you ignore the fact that the Fair Tax will likely end up just as fair as the tax system is now, but now with extra pressure on people at the low end of the financial spectrum.


In principle there is no difficulty in replacing the current production taxes with a fairer consumption tax.

And the reason for all those people on the low end of the financial spectrum has a lot to do with the current tax system in the first place.

The only thing related to tax that the Republicans are talking about are No Tax, and while more appealing than Fair Tax, seems way too unrealistic for anyone but the most deluded to fall for.

Here's where you put up a bit of proof -- No tax? That's silly.

As I said elsewhere, the only chance I see for a vital Republican party is that they will endorse the Fair Tax. Whether you like it personally, or not isn't the issue. Endorsement of the Fair Tax would provide an issue that's a clear difference between them and Democrats, it doesn't involve religion and morality, and it's something that is becoming more popular at the grass roots.

And, right now, are they even uttering the words "fair tax"? Furthermore, what if the Democrats simply accept it, leaving the Republicans with jack to talk about besides what they currently are talking about?

And, right now, are they even uttering the words "fair tax"? Furthermore, what if the Democrats simply accept it, leaving the Republicans with jack to talk about besides what they currently are talking about?
Nope, it's all hypothetical. But the party was absolutely on the ropes back in the FDR days... They made a comeback then, there's probably no reason why they couldn't now.

Nope, it's all hypothetical. But the party was absolutely on the ropes back in the FDR days... They made a comeback then, there's probably no reason why they couldn't now.

They weren't a bunch of warmongering fundamentalist insane idiots back then.

They weren't a bunch of warmongering fundamentalist insane idiots back then.
No, the democrats satisfied the first part of that requirement quite nicely. Back then, most of us were on the same page, religiously, anyway.

Nope, it's all hypothetical. But the party was absolutely on the ropes back in the FDR days... They made a comeback then, there's probably no reason why they couldn't now.
thats kinda pessimistic isnt it?

hoover was a disaster and democrats held the whitehouse for 20 years. surely you dont want to wait that long.

thats kinda pessimistic isnt it?

hoover was a disaster and democrats held the whitehouse for 20 years. surely you dont want to wait that long.
Maybe if they were actually an improvement over the Democrats, I'd be anxious to see them in the majority. I'll be content if they can get enough seats to just obstruct Democratic plans for new entitlements, etc.

Maybe if they were actually an improvement over the Democrats, I'd be anxious to see them in the majority. I'll be content if they can get enough seats to just obstruct Democratic plans for new entitlements, etc.
even as a democrat i wish the republicans would get their heads out of their asses and start working on reasonable rebuttals to democratic proposals. with overwhelming majorities in both houses of congress, the democrats are unstoppable. if the republicans are going to be nothing but buffoons for the next 2 years they dont even have the chance to swing public opinion against the worst abuses of the democrats.

even as a democrat i wish the republicans would get their heads out of their asses and start working on reasonable rebuttals to democratic proposals. with overwhelming majorities in both houses of congress, the democrats are unstoppable. if the republicans are going to be nothing but buffoons for the next 2 years they dont even have the chance to swing public opinion against the worst abuses of the democrats.
Agreed. They aren't much of an opposition if they can't command any respect. Their only hope is to find an appealing and mainstream issue that sets them apart from the Democrats and stick with it.

Will they do it? I just have no idea.

Agreed. They aren't much of an opposition if they can't command any respect. Their only hope is to find an appealing and mainstream issue that sets them apart from the Democrats and stick with it.

Will they do it? I just have no idea.

Mustard. Kenyan. "Democrats are Socialists". Birth certificate. Calling for HUAC-type investigations. "Obama wants to create unemployment". Hussein. "Obsama". The election was a "power-grab". Elitist. Bowling. Un-American. Dark Lord. Fort Sumter. Secession.

These have been the lines of the Republicans lately. I will add more as I remember them.

Do they look like they command any respect?

Agreed. They aren't much of an opposition if they can't command any respect. Their only hope is to find an appealing and mainstream issue that sets them apart from the Democrats and stick with it.

Will they do it? I just have no idea.

It's increasingly unlikely they'll do it by 2010, which means Obama's first term will go completely unopposed. The GOP is busy ranting about mustard choices and Nancy Pelosi when they should be figuring out how to sell themselves to the voters. Preferably by distancing themselves from the disgrace that was Bush 2.

Mustard. Kenyan. "Democrats are Socialists". Birth certificate. Calling for HUAC-type investigations. "Obama wants to create unemployment". Hussein. "Obsama". The election was a "power-grab". Elitist. Bowling. Un-American. Dark Lord. Fort Sumter. Secession.

These have been the lines of the Republicans lately. I will add more as I remember them.

Do they look like they command any respect?
Yeah, they're remarkably ineffective. But dead and gone? Hardly.

Though, Teddy Kennedy was the one that couldn't quite get "Obama" out right, stumbling over "Osama" several times.

Yeah, they're remarkably ineffective. But dead and gone? Hardly.

Though, Teddy Kennedy was the one that couldn't quite get "Obama" out right, stumbling over "Osama" several times.

Years of booze and brain cancer. It's remarkable he can find his way to his office.

Yeah, they're remarkably ineffective. But dead and gone? Hardly.

Though, Teddy Kennedy was the one that couldn't quite get "Obama" out right, stumbling over "Osama" several times.

So, you're saying Republicans are actually trying to emulate an alcoholic with a brain tumor? Well, Bush IS an alcoholic. As for the tumor, karma...

This is certainly good news to me. The quicker the GOP is destroying their own party, the better it is for the rest of the world. :)

This is certainly good news to me. The quicker the GOP is destroying their own party, the better it is for the rest of the world. :)

Agreed.

This is certainly good news to me. The quicker the GOP is destroying their own party, the better it is for the rest of the world. :)

Indeed. Allow another Socially Liberal party to come in, provided the change in public opinion keeps going the way it is, and rid the US of it's backwardness when it comes to such matters.

You know, the more I think about it, the more the GOP seems like a school bully that suddenly got quadraplegic.

You know, the more I think about it, the more the GOP seems like a school bully that suddenly got quadraplegic.

Nah, more like A Clockwork Orange.

Nah, more like A Clockwork Orange.

Another good analogy, yes.

Another good analogy, yes.

Quick! Play some Beethoven! Let's try to finish this.:p

Here's where you put up a bit of proof -- No tax? That's silly.

What, the 2009 tea party protests don't cut it for you?

What, the 2009 tea party protests don't cut it for you?

Nah, the Teabaggers dont have a message, they didnt even know what they were protesting...

"DONT RAISE TAXES!"

Guy walks up, "Who makes under 250 thousand dollars?"

"WE DO!!"

Guy: "Obama is going to give all of you a tax Cut!"


Crowd: :confused: ".....BOOOH!"


its ludicrous, lol...

Quick! Play some Beethoven! Let's try to finish this.:p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-mvutiDRvQ

Wait...mustard choice?


What recent bout of GOP stupidity did I miss?

Wait...mustard choice?


What recent bout of GOP stupidity did I miss?

Google "Obama" and "Dijon".

Wait...mustard choice?


What recent bout of GOP stupidity did I miss?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-talk-mustard-obamamay11,0,1652607.story

Google "Obama" and "Dijon".

Holy Fuck.


Its official. Conervative talk show hosts, and their viewers/listoners are the stupidest people on the planet.

I get spicey mustard on a burger too. But then again, I also went to Uni, and live in reality. What an evil elitest I am.

Holy Fuck.


Its official. Conervative talk show hosts, and their viewers/listoners are the stupidest people on the planet.

I get spicey mustard on a burger too. But then again, I also went to Uni, and live in reality. What an evil elitest I am.

Look up my "Mustard? REALLY?" thread.

I was hoping for former popular Republican Governor of Florida Jeb Bush. Till he dropped out. The favorite of the Cuban American community. Some of us call him more Cuban than American, lol. Speaks perfect fluent spanish. Married to a Mexican lady. Son looks like a dark lite skinned hispanic. Brown as grandpa Bush once called him. Jeb Loves Pastelitos de Guayaba. Then President Jeb Bush, pastelitos in the White House. Even Barbara said he is the smart one. I once worked with a Dude in Miami named Jeb.

http://www.mybigfatcubanfamily.com/my_big_fat_cuban_family/2007/02/guavalicious.html

Pastelitos de Guayaba Y Queso.

I was hoping for former popular Republican Governor of Florida Jeb Bush. Till he dropped out. The favorite of the Cuban American community. Some of us call him more Cuban than American, lol. Speaks perfect fluent spanish. Married to a Mexican lady. Son looks like a dark lite skinned hispanic. Brown as grandpa Bush once called him. Jeb Loves Pastelitos de Guayaba. Then President Jeb Bush, pastelitos in the White House. Even Barbara said he is the smart one. I once worked with a Dude in Miami named Jeb.

http://www.mybigfatcubanfamily.com/my_big_fat_cuban_family/2007/02/guavalicious.html

Pastelitos de Guayaba Y Queso.

Cubans, my second least favorite lobby.

Google "Obama" and "Dijon".

Thing is, I wouldve gotten the same thing, lol...

Its just like those Obama Dollars, I dont get it, thats just stuff we eat down here...

Obama's too southern for him? :confused:

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I was hoping for former popular Republican Governor of Florida Jeb Bush. Till he dropped out. The favorite of the Cuban American community. Some of us call him more Cuban than American, lol. Speaks perfect fluent spanish. Married to a Mexican lady. Son looks like a dark lite skinned hispanic. Brown as grandpa Bush once called him. Jeb Loves Pastelitos de Guayaba. Then President Jeb Bush, pastelitos in the White House. Even Barbara said he is the smart one. I once worked with a Dude in Miami named Jeb.

http://www.mybigfatcubanfamily.com/m...valicious.html

Pastelitos de Guayaba Y Queso.

Cubans, my second least favorite lobby.

I know, lol. No one likes us for being anti dictators for life Fidel and Raul. Ok a few do like us. We do have a few friends here and there, that's it. That is a fact.

I know, lol. No one likes us for being anti dictators for life Fidel and Raul.

It's really not about that.

Cubans, my second least favorite lobby.

It's really not about that.

Dont have time to reply to your post. Will do later my friend.

I was hoping for former popular Republican Governor of Florida Jeb Bush. Till he dropped out. The favorite of the Cuban American community. Some of us call him more Cuban than American, lol. Speaks perfect fluent spanish. Married to a Mexican lady. Son looks like a dark lite skinned hispanic. Brown as grandpa Bush once called him. Jeb Loves Pastelitos de Guayaba. Then President Jeb Bush, pastelitos in the White House. Even Barbara said he is the smart one. I once worked with a Dude in Miami named Jeb.

http://www.mybigfatcubanfamily.com/my_big_fat_cuban_family/2007/02/guavalicious.html

Pastelitos de Guayaba Y Queso.

Too bad his brother has ensured that another Bush never has a shot at the White House ever again. Name recognition matters. And when 75% of the country thought you were an incompetent twit, your brother isnt going anywhere near the White House.

I should also clarify. By 'too bad', I mean 'its glorious'.

I know, lol. No one likes us for being anti dictators for life Fidel and Raul. Ok a few do like us. We do have a few friends here and there, that's it. That is a fact.

I don't like the Cuban lobby because I don't like groups that demand double standards for themselves because of some arbitrary occurrence. I don't like the Jewish lobby for the same reason. You think other oppressed groups get the kind of treatment Cubans or Jews do? No. Hell, even worse oppressed people don't have it half that good - see the whole fiasco around not letting the Uighurs into the US. If every other lobby had the same power as the Jewish or Cuban lobbies, we would be boycotting Turkey because of the Armenian genocide and every federal post in the country would require a black person to be the executive.

You think other oppressed groups get the kind of treatment Cubans or Jews do? N

...the fuck? Name one law that is specifically designed to benefit Jews. Just one. How in any way are jews treated "better" under the law?

One could make the argument for Cubans, they are actually treated differently. Any cuban who makes it into American territory is allowed to say. Can't say that for other nationalities. But jews? What the fuck are you talking about?

I don't know, I think any split in the Republican party will also split the Democrats; there are plenty of Democrats that aren't ideologically in-line with their leadership on all issues, and if a new GOP offshoot offers a political platform similar to their own views, they're likely going to jump ship and support them instead. Generally, though, that's how it happens...they disintegrate in the aftermath of having a whole lot of power. Most likely if they do form a new party all the former "RINOs" who went Democrat will return along with some of the more centrist. If they stick to small government they might even gain some Libertarian support.

As long as they don't let Ron Paul in, he belongs with the "Godly America" people.

Too bad his brother has ensured that another Bush never has a shot at the White House ever again. Name recognition matters. And when 75% of the country thought you were an incompetent twit, your brother isnt going anywhere near the White House.

I should also clarify. By 'too bad', I mean 'its glorious'.
It doesn't help the fact that he nearly caused a Constitutional Crisis and a Cop versus Cop shootout over some Braindead woman.

It doesn't help the fact that he nearly caused a (...) Cop versus Cop shootout over some Braindead woman.

Say what???

Say what???
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/26/national/main683300.shtml

Back during the Terri Schiavo situation Jeb tried use a loophole in order to stall the Judge's order long enough for him to grab her from the hospital using State police and the Department of Children and Families. When the DCF alerted the Local police guarding the hospital, they were told that they would refuse.

When Greer(The Judge) was alerted to the plan the Judge canceled the loophole and called on "each and every and singular sheriff of the state of Florida" to enforce his order.

Yeah, when the Judge has to alert the local police that they may have to act against a Govenor breaking the law it's pretty nuts.
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Of course it didn't help that fundis were shouting that he should have sicced the national guard on them.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/26/national/main683300.shtml

Back during the Terri Shavio situation Jeb tried use a loophole in order to stall the Judge's order long enough for him to grab her from the hospital using State police and the Department of Children and Families. When the DCF alerted the Local police guarding the hospital, they were told that they would refuse.

When Greer(The Judge) was alerted to the plan the Judge canceled the loophole and called on "each and every and singular sheriff of the state of Florida" to enforce his order.

Yeah, when the Judge has to alert the local police that they may have to act against a Govenor breaking the law it's pretty nuts.

Gods! What the hell is WRONG with the Bush family? Is Barbara also George's freaking aunt???

Gods! What the hell is WRONG with the Bush family? Is Barbara also George's freaking aunt???

The Bushes are one of the rich old families in America used to getting whatever the fuck they want. Most of the other rich families were smart enough to realize they didn't have to get into the political process to get whatever they wanted but the Bushes apparently had an extra case of self-importance.

The Bushes are one of the rich old families in America used to getting whatever the fuck they want. Most of the other rich families were smart enough to realize they didn't have to get into the political process to get whatever they wanted but the Bushes apparently had an extra case of self-importance.

Jeb nearly caused a goddamn shootout because of the woman! Scrap that, because of pandering to extremist groups!

Really! If I had written the Bible, one of the passages would read "Thou shalt not suffer a Bush to live"!

Jeb nearly caused a goddamn shootout because of the woman! Scrap that, because of pandering to extremist groups!

Really! If I had written the Bible, one of the passages would read "Thou shalt not suffer a Bush to live"!

"You must be no part of the world, as I am no part of the world." should really have done it, though.


EDIT: What do you have against shrubbery, anyway? Those poor plants didn't do anything to you.

What do you have against shrubbery, anyway? Those poor plants didn't do anything to you.

Nobody brought me one.

Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni!

Nobody brought me one.

Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni!

Ecky ecky ecky ecky pikang zoop boing goodem zoo owli zhiv

Ecky ecky ecky ecky pikang zoop boing goodem zoo owli zhiv

Is that all you have to say about it?

Is that all you have to say about it?

AHHH!!!!

Don't say that word.

Jeb nearly caused a goddamn shootout because of the woman! Scrap that, because of pandering to extremist groups!

Really! If I had written the Bible, one of the passages would read "Thou shalt not suffer a Bush to live"!
Insane.

If the shoot out did happen the protestors would most likely accept that meaning that the Judge's ruling was overturned, join in, seize the hospital themselves and force the tube in at gunpoint.

Worst Case situation the entire government of Florida could been considered illegtimate.

AHHH!!!!

Don't say that word.

What word is it? Well, let's stop it, it might cause a threadjack, and I'm already in trouble without it.

What word is it? Well, let's stop it, it might cause a threadjack, and I'm already in trouble without it.

AHHHH!!!!!!

Stop saying the word!!

Ok, I'm done. Back to your regularly scheduled thread.

Jeb nearly caused a goddamn shootout because of the woman! Scrap that, because of pandering to extremist groups!

Really! If I had written the Bible, one of the passages would read "Thou shalt not suffer a Bush to live"!

Try explaining that to Moses when he saw God as a burning shrub.

Try explaining that to Moses when he saw God as a burning shrub. Note the fact it was a BURNING shrub, hence god killed it, that supports the statement.

Note the fact it was a BURNING shrub, hence god killed it, that supports the statement.

As you recall, the fire was burning, but the plant was not. God miraculously protected the shrub.

As you recall, the fire was burning, but the plant was not. God miraculously protected the shrub.

How do you know he wasn't tormenting it? Eternal Hellfire, damnation and all that.

How do you know he wasn't tormenting it? Eternal Hellfire, damnation and all that.

Aha... now that's an interesting thought.