NationStates Jolt Archive


Scientology Hack

RhynoD
12-05-2009, 20:12
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519939,00.html

And he gets 10 years for a DDoS? That seems excessive.
Gauthier
12-05-2009, 20:17
It's $cientology. They'd have all their critics executed on the spot if they could. Fair Game and all that crap.
Dragontide
12-05-2009, 20:17
Damm yes! Lock him up. Hacking into someones computer is tantamount to breaking & entering is it not?
Rambhutan
12-05-2009, 20:18
No, he faces up to 10 years - he hasn't been sentenced yet. He could get a lot less.
Intestinal fluids
12-05-2009, 20:18
Im pretty sure Body Thetans are responsible.
Gauthier
12-05-2009, 20:18
Damm yes! Lock him up. Hacking into someones computer is tantamount to breaking & entering is it not?

Considering $cientology has a history of questionable activity, which possibly includes hacking, their crying foul at someone's attempt to keep Chanology alive is a bit hypocritical.

And for 10 years, he ought to have at least stolen something important. Like all of the fucking Couchhopper's account information or his secret gay porn pics.
greed and death
12-05-2009, 20:32
We are not amused.
RhynoD
12-05-2009, 20:33
Damm yes! Lock him up. Hacking into someones computer is tantamount to breaking & entering is it not?

511.030 Burglary in the second degree.
(1) A person is guilty of burglary in the second degree when, with the intent to commit a crime, he knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a dwelling.
(2) Burglary in the second degree is a Class C felony.
Effective: July 15, 1980
Second degree burglary is any burglary that does not take place in an inhabited dwelling place, commonly called commercial burglary. Commercial burglary usually takes place in businesses. You can be charged with commercial burglary when you have the specific intent to steal something from a store when you walk in the door. Typically, commercial burglaries will be charged as misdemeanors when the value of the property taken is less than $400.00. If the value is over $400.00 then the burglaries will be charged as felonies. So, you can be charged for misdemeanor commercial burglary when stealing something as little as a pack of gum. The maximum penalty for misdemeanor commercial burglary is one year in the county jail, although the penalties are often much less than that. If the value of the property is over $400.00 you will most likely be charged with a felony, however Miller and Associates can reduce the felony to a misdemeanor in some cases. The penalties for felony commercial burglary can be probation (up to one year in the county jail) or 16 months, two years or three years in prison. Since commercial burglary is not a strike people will be allowed to serve just 50 percent of any prison sentence.
http://www.irvinecriminaldefense.com/criminal_defense/burglary.html

That's second degree, where there is an intent to steal and you actually stole US$400+ worth of merchandise from a company (as opposed to stealing from a residence with a weapon while they're home, which is much worse). And that only gets you three years.
RhynoD
12-05-2009, 20:37
Upon further research, 10 years seems like the standard for max sentence for DDoS. Go figures. This guy really shouldn't get the max, though.
Indri
13-05-2009, 03:13
Damm yes! Lock him up. Hacking into someones computer is tantamount to breaking & entering is it not?
Do you even know what a DDoS is? It's a bunch of people reloading a webpage, eventually mucking up the connection. A server stress-testing tool was used during the first attacks on the Scilons' site to reload the front page several thousand times in a matter of seconds but even that isn't usually enough to knock out a site because a lot of the bigger ones handle traffic from thousands every second of every day.

If this holds up then all someone will need to do to lock you up is show that you accessed their site at some point and then claim it was with malicous intent. Fucking wrong, dudette.
greed and death
13-05-2009, 03:20
Do you even know what a DDoS is? It's a bunch of people reloading a webpage, eventually mucking up the connection. A server stress-testing tool was used during the first attacks on the Scilons' site to reload the front page several thousand times in a matter of seconds but even that isn't usually enough to knock out a site because a lot of the bigger ones handle traffic from thousands every second of every day.

If this holds up then all someone will need to do to lock you up is show that you accessed their site at some point and then claim it was with malicous intent. Fucking wrong, dudette.

if only he had gotten a good lawyer.
Neo art come get this guy off.
Dragontide
13-05-2009, 03:38
Do you even know what a DDoS is? It's a bunch of people reloading a webpage, eventually mucking up the connection. A server stress-testing tool was used during the first attacks on the Scilons' site to reload the front page several thousand times in a matter of seconds but even that isn't usually enough to knock out a site because a lot of the bigger ones handle traffic from thousands every second of every day.

If this holds up then all someone will need to do to lock you up is show that you accessed their site at some point and then claim it was with malicous intent. Fucking wrong, dudette.
The definition I found paints a different picture:

On the Internet, a distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack is one in which a multitude of compromised systems attack a single target, thereby causing denial of service for users of the targeted system. The flood of incoming messages to the target system essentially forces it to shut down, thereby denying service to the system to legitimate users.
A hacker (or, if you prefer, cracker) begins a DDoS attack by exploiting a vulnerability in one computer system and making it the DDoS "master." It is from the master system that the intruder identifies and communicates with other systems that can be compromised. The intruder loads cracking tools available on the Internet on multiple -- sometimes thousands of -- compromised systems. With a single command, the intruder instructs the controlled machines to launch one of many flood attacks against a specified target. The inundation of packets to the target causes a denial of service.

While the press tends to focus on the target of DDoS attacks as the victim, in reality there are many victims in a DDoS attack -- the final target and as well the systems controlled by the intruder.


http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid14_gci557336,00.html
RhynoD
13-05-2009, 03:39
Do you even know what a DDoS is? It's a bunch of people reloading a webpage, eventually mucking up the connection. A server stress-testing tool was used during the first attacks on the Scilons' site to reload the front page several thousand times in a matter of seconds but even that isn't usually enough to knock out a site because a lot of the bigger ones handle traffic from thousands every second of every day.

If this holds up then all someone will need to do to lock you up is show that you accessed their site at some point and then claim it was with malicous intent. Fucking wrong, dudette.

Not quite. To bring back the breaking-and-entering analogy, the difference between DDoS and accessing the site is the difference between a store customer and someone trying to shoplift. Serious DDoS can shut a website down, not just interfere slightly with its operation. It also doesn't just consist of accessing the site with thousands of bots: by definition, some kinds of DDoS include putting a worm on the target server to eat up RAM and processing power. If you were to, say, DDoS eBay (http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3574101), you could cost a lot of people a lot of money.
Wilgrove
13-05-2009, 04:23
if only he had gotten a good lawyer.
Neo art come get this guy off.

Heheh, that just sounded wrong.

As for 10 years for DDoS, seriously? Is a DDoS hack really that hard to do? All you're doing is overloading a website until it crashes. Too me, that seems like a pretty simple hack. 1 year at the most for that.
Gauthier
13-05-2009, 04:29
Heheh, that just sounded wrong.

As for 10 years for DDoS, seriously? Is a DDoS hack really that hard to do? All you're doing is overloading a website until it crashes. Too me, that seems like a pretty simple hack. 1 year at the most for that.

Besides which doesn't $cientology pay some company lots of money to secure their Thetanet or whatever the fuck it is? If someone can DDoS them, then that there shows wasted money.
Heikoku 2
13-05-2009, 04:30
Ah, Scientology, thr group who framed a woman for terrorism and made her life hell for daring to speak against it.

I wonder if they SUFFERED for this already.
The Black Forrest
13-05-2009, 04:37
Do you even know what a DDoS is? It's a bunch of people reloading a webpage, eventually mucking up the connection. A server stress-testing tool was used during the first attacks on the Scilons' site to reload the front page several thousand times in a matter of seconds but even that isn't usually enough to knock out a site because a lot of the bigger ones handle traffic from thousands every second of every day.

If this holds up then all someone will need to do to lock you up is show that you accessed their site at some point and then claim it was with malicous intent. Fucking wrong, dudette.

If that is how they do it, then they deserve prison time.

The problem with the log files is that you have to show the access was malicious. They aren't going to lock me up for visiting the site while you were attacking it.
Heikoku 2
13-05-2009, 04:39
I, for one, root for Anonymous in this one.
Liuzzo
13-05-2009, 04:55
He'll get three years, serve 18 months, and then probation with a community service leaner.
Non Aligned States
13-05-2009, 05:00
He'll get three years, serve 18 months, and then probation with a community service leaner.

You know something we don't, don't you? :p
Hydesland
13-05-2009, 07:02
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519939,00.html

And he gets 10 years for a DDoS? That seems excessive.

1) Scientology is a fucking despicable organisation.

2) ONE PERSON cannot do a DDOS, that's fucking impossible, especially against the servers the scilons are likely to use.
Non Aligned States
13-05-2009, 07:11
2) ONE PERSON cannot do a DDOS, that's fucking impossible, especially against the servers the scilons are likely to use.

Depends. As I understand it, it's possible to rent compromised computer networks from certain groups to perform a DDOS attack.
Hydesland
13-05-2009, 07:15
Depends. As I understand it, it's possible to rent compromised computer networks from certain groups to perform a DDOS attack.

I highly doubt that is something this 19 year old did. Regardless, 10 fucking years just for making it harder for some users to browse their pointless, retarded website. Insane, criminally insane. I'm very drunk right now. This article has made me very angry and very drunk.
Holy Paradise
13-05-2009, 07:41
I highly doubt that is something this 19 year old did. Regardless, 10 fucking years just for making it harder for some users to browse their pointless, retarded website. Insane, criminally insane. I'm very drunk right now. This article has made me very angry and very drunk.

I didn't know one could get a buzz from computer text.
Post-Unity Terra
13-05-2009, 13:11
Depends. As I understand it, it's possible to rent compromised computer networks from certain groups to perform a DDOS attack.

If this si part of what I think it is, it was carried out mostly by volunteers with ion cannons. You know, 'we are legion' and all that.
Ifreann
13-05-2009, 13:31
The definition I found paints a different picture:


http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid14_gci557336,00.html

The definition you found is not strictly accurate. A DDoS attack could be perpetrated by one person who controls a botnet. Or it could be perpetrated by dozens, hundreds or even thousands of people using perfectly legitimate server stress testing tools. Care to take a wild guess which one the legion of Anonymous used?
greed and death
13-05-2009, 14:15
The definition you found is not strictly accurate. A DDoS attack could be perpetrated by one person who controls a botnet. Or it could be perpetrated by dozens, hundreds or even thousands of people using perfectly legitimate server stress testing tools. Care to take a wild guess which one the legion of Anonymous used?

a legion of them likely used the second option.
Ifreann
13-05-2009, 14:26
a legion of them likely used the second option.

Bingo. Someone get this man a stuffed animal.
Non Aligned States
13-05-2009, 14:55
Bingo. Someone get this man a stuffed animal.

Don't have one of those, but will this (http://fallout3nexus.com/downloads/images/6288-1-1242137196.jpg) do?
Ifreann
13-05-2009, 15:18
Don't have one of those, but will this (http://fallout3nexus.com/downloads/images/6288-1-1242137196.jpg) do?

Wonderful.
RhynoD
13-05-2009, 15:49
a legion of them likely used the second option.

It's also possible that the one person created a virus that caused every computer it infected to use a small part of its bandwidth on the server stress test. So one person would be responsible. If he did it that way.

Even if others helped, kind of like donating computer time to SETI (http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/), one person is responsible for organizing it.
South Lorenya
13-05-2009, 20:32
When I first saw this thread's title, I assumed that it would reference Tom Cruise (or some other scientology nut). >_>
Tmutarakhan
13-05-2009, 23:35
Regardless, 10 fucking years just for making it harder for some users to browse their pointless, retarded website.
No, no, no, as people have tried to point out, 10 years is what the worst imaginable case of DDOS would get. He is not going to get anything near that.
The Black Forrest
14-05-2009, 03:59
Even if others helped, kind of like donating computer time to SETI (http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/), one person is responsible for organizing it.

Been doing that for years! :)

I even have a couple things found for the "relook" scans.....
DogDoo 7
14-05-2009, 05:46
Folding@Home (http://folding.stanford.edu/English/Download) has a much higher rate of return than SETI. Basically, you are using your CPU to model polypeptide folding, which has immense benefit in fields such as Alzheimer's research.
Dragontide
14-05-2009, 14:53
The definition you found is not strictly accurate. A DDoS attack could be perpetrated by one person who controls a botnet. Or it could be perpetrated by dozens, hundreds or even thousands of people using perfectly legitimate server stress testing tools. Care to take a wild guess which one the legion of Anonymous used?

Concidering that not so much as even a second person has been arrested, it's obvious that only one person did this and the rest of the Anon group is just full of hot air.
Eofaerwic
14-05-2009, 15:05
Concidering that not so much as even a second person has been arrested, it's obvious that only one person did this and the rest of the Anon group is just full of hot air.

Or possibly Co$ decided they'd get a lot further by roasting a single scapegoat then getting bogged down trying to go after the hundreds-odd members of anonymous - especially since a lot of them probably live in countries considerably more hostile to Co$ than the US.
Non Aligned States
14-05-2009, 15:55
Or possibly Co$ decided they'd get a lot further by roasting a single scapegoat then getting bogged down trying to go after the hundreds-odd members of anonymous - especially since a lot of them probably live in countries considerably more hostile to Co$ than the US.

Would fit in with standard Co$ patterns. Remember how they "caught" the "ringleader" of the protests last year when the Anon protest march showed up? Big egg on their faces when the protest went on as usual since there was no central organizer.