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I've yet to see proof of this.

Volkswagon, The First Jet Aircraft, The First Assault Rifle, The Theory of Relativity, Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein.... should I continue?

Though I do have to agree this measure is just plain stupid.

MODEDIT: This thread has been split from the "Germany bans Paintball" thread. The topic appears to be whether the inventor would have invented if he had been in a different nation.

There is also a free side salad of a topic, basically "Germany sucks/No it doesn't", in which people list what they think was invented in Germany and others list what they think was invented elsewhere, but mostly in America. Have fun.

Volkswagon,
Tatra T97 ripoff.
The court has actually confirmed infringement, and Volkswagen had to pay a compensation to Tatra.

The First Jet Aircraft,
Give them that. Although they were only the first to build one, not invent.

The First Assault Rifle,
Russian. 1916. (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as86-e.htm)
And better already than the StG.44.

The Theory of Relativity,
=Einstein, and Jewish.

Isaac Newton,
British. Never had anything at all to do with Germany. Learn at least the basics of the history!

Albert Einstein.... should I continue?
Jewish. Open, non-assimilated Jew, and an active Zionist.

<snip>Haber-Bosch process (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber-Bosch_Process): If there was food on your plate, thank a German.

Isaac Newton

Eh?

Can't come up with anything better to slander the H-B process? I'm not surprised.
Oh, I'm not slandering it. It's useful, no doubt. I'm just dispelling your apparent notion that the world's continued existence hinges solely on Haber's legacy and I would be starving without him.

If not he, someone else would have invented it. Even if no one did, some other someone else's invention would be used in its place.

Germany had its share of inventions, just like Britain, US, Russia, France, China...

Tatra T97 ripoff.
The court has actually confirmed infringement, and Volkswagen had to pay a compensation to Tatra.

Still German, and still the creators of the most popular car in the history of the world.

Give them that. Although they were only the first to build one, not invent.

Still proves my point.

Russian. 1916. (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as86-e.htm)
And better already than the StG.44.
Designated as a machine gun and so like the BAR, is not really considered an Assault Rifle.

=Einstein, and Jewish.

And where was dear Albert born?

British. Never had anything at all to do with Germany. Learn at least the basics of the history!
I was (and still am) tired. Insomnia is a bitch.

Jewish. Open, non-assimilated Jew, and an active Zionist.
And also born on GERMANY.

Why would you defend someone's assertions that everyone in Germany is an idiot anyway?

Oh, I'm not slandering it. It's useful, no doubt. I'm just dispelling your apparent notion that the world's continued existence hinges solely on Haber's legacy and I would be starving without him. World's continued existence, certainly not. You starving without it, certainly. About a third of the entire human population would have nothing to eat if it weren't for H-B.
If not he, someone else would have invented it. Even if no one did, some other someone else's invention would be used in its place.They.
Germany had its share of inventions, just like Britain, US, Russia, France, China...Not pertaining to the topic addressed. Great non-German inventions don't lessen the greatness of German inventions.

Still German, and still the creators of the most popular car in the history of the world.
Still a simplified Chezh Tatra beneath the badge.
Still only the second most popular in proportion, after Ford T.
And only the second most popular in absolute numbers, after Toyota Corolla.


Designated as a machine gun and so like the BAR, is not really considered an Assault Rifle.
Actually, it was designated as an automatic rifle. Later it was specifically designated as an "Avtomat", the Russian term equivalent to "assault rifle".

BAR is a predecessor too. But Fedorov Avtomat was, unlike BAR, a proper assault rifle, having assault rifle layout and system, assault rifle weight, and assault rifle caliber. Actually, the 6mm caliber it used is just what we took 80 years to finally arrive to.


And also born on GERMANY.
And then the Germans forced him out.

Why would you defend someone's assertions that everyone in Germany is an idiot anyway?
I'm not.

I'm not.

You are.

World's continued existence, certainly not. You starving without it, certainly. About a third of the entire human population would have nothing to eat if it weren't for H-B.
Not at all. Someone else would have invented it. Or an alternate process. Or an alternate fertilizer. Or something else. Progress isn't a straight railroad.

And there are countries that weren't starving even before that process. Some (most?) posters here happen to come from them.


So did you actually have point to begin with?
My point was that there's no need to attribute British, Russian and Jewish inventions to the Germans.

Not at all. Someone else would have invented it. Or an alternate process. Or an alternate fertilizer. Or something else. Progress isn't a straight railroad.The H-B process isn't a fertilizer. Do you even know what it really is?
And there are countries that weren't starving even before that process. Some (most?) posters here happen to come from them.Entirely irrelevant. The countries and the world didn't have the population the world has now, mainly because without the H-B process, there was no way to grow enough food.

The H-B process isn't a fertilizer. Do you even know what it really is?
It is a process for producing ammonia, which is required, among other things, to produce some of the synthetic fertilizers.


Entirely irrelevant. The countries and the world didn't have the population the world has now, mainly because without the H-B process, there was no way to grow enough food.
Oh, there totally was and there totally is. Natural fertilizers. Somewhat more expensive, but better, providing for more sustainable agriculture and higher quality food.

Incidentally, I usually try, when reasonably possible, to get food that is organically grown, or brought up on free range, or fished rather than farmed.

It is a process for producing ammonia, which is required, among other things, to produce some of the synthetic fertilizers.I was having doubts.
Oh, there totally was and there totally is. Natural fertilizers. Somewhat more expensive, but better, providing for more sustainable agriculture and higher quality food. The current human population cannot be sustained on natural fertilizers. You need to create ammonia out of thin air to be able to feed that many people, since there simply isn't enough nitrogen in the N-cycle to achieve that naturally. And the H-B process does just that: It fixes gaseous nitrogen, something that only a select few organisms are capable of. More money won't buy you more fertilizer when you've exhausted the stores.
Incidentally, I usually try, when reasonably possible, to get food that is organically grown, or brought up on free range, or fished rather than farmed.Not a bad thing to do.

I was having doubts.
Just because someone doesn't detail everything doesn't mean they have no idea...

The current human population cannot be sustained on natural fertilizers.
Well - I've always maintained that we need fewer people on this blue ball if we want it blue. Not particularly few, but say let's leave the Western and the East-Asian civilizations, who are the most adapted to the modern world, are relatively free of religion, voluntarily throttle their reproduction, and have learned and adopted the concepts of tolerance and acceptance, rather than Jihad As-Sayf. We (well, those of us who do care about the whole chain) will have yet to curse Haber hundreds of times.


You need to create ammonia out of thin air to be able to feed that many people ...
Either that, or increase the farming area and implement optimized agricultural techniques. That, and lowering out calorie intake. Heck, my BMI has gone up by 3 in the last 8 months, I hope it will stop here though.

Just because someone doesn't detail everything doesn't mean they have no idea...It's your statements about just using natural fertilizer and your referring the the H-B process as a fertilizer that implied you had no idea what we were discussing.

And that's where we should leave it. This is a thread about banning Paintball, not artificial N-fixation.

It's your statements about just using natural fertilizer and your referring the the H-B process as a fertilizer that implied you had no idea what we were discussing.
If you read carefully, I didn't refer to it as a fertilizer. I referred to it as a process, and then mentioned an alternate fertilizer.

And yes, I do understand that with this technology, or more precisely with it having been invented earlier (because it would have been discovered sometime anyway) we can keep more humans on Earth. I just don't think we should.

You two went a little off topic, didn't you?

Also, good point made, re: Fencing.

Volkswagon, The First Jet Aircraft, The First Assault Rifle, The Theory of Relativity, Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein.... should I continue?

Though I do have to agree this measure is just plain stupid.

Since 1955 however...

Volkswagon, The First Jet Aircraft, The First Assault Rifle, The Theory of Relativity, Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein.... should I continue?

Though I do have to agree this measure is just plain stupid.

you forgot Shamwow! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23zGquwJfbw)... :p

=Einstein, and Jewish.

Actually I think you will find he was German as well, same as I am Catholic and Australian.

I will let Generalities which one I put first. :p

But to Vault 10 how about first diesel engine, first car amongst others.

Maybe you should go through this list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_inventions

But to Vault 10 how about first diesel engine, first car amongst others.
Maybe you should go through this list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_inventions
How about going through one of these for a good measure?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_inventions_and_discoveries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_inventions_and_discoveries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_inventions

How about going through one of these for a good measure?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_inventions_and_discoveries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_inventions_and_discoveries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_inventionsMy guess would be we're not because it's irrelevant to the topic at hand.

My point was that there's no need to attribute British, Russian and Jewish inventions to the Germans.

So you're saying a Jew can't be a German? Very right wing of you.

How about going through one of these for a good measure?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_inventions_and_discoveries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_inventions_and_discoveries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_inventions

DON'T FORGET THAT THE GERMANS ALSO INVENTED NAZISM!!!!

And they invented war in Europe, since there were no wars before 1914. Damn those evil Krauts. All their few inventions are evil.

How about going through one of these for a good measure?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_inventions_and_discoveries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_inventions_and_discoveries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_inventions

And how would that prove your point?

And how would that prove your point?
And what do you believe my point to be?

And what do you believe my point to be?

Non-existent. The pursuit of childish bickering.

And what do you believe my point to be?

Well I believe it to be that as you say you are yet to see anything smart come out of Germany.

And when people go and show you quite a few smart things that have come out of Germany and the Germans that invented it your only counter argument is to say well Scots have smart people too.

And if as you say Germans are so dumb why did you buy a Porsche?

And what do you believe my point to be?

Its hard to tell if you have one. I'm more curious as to your answer to as to why you think one could not be a Jew and a German.

Its hard to tell if you have one. I'm more curious as to your answer to as to why you think one could not be a Jew and a German.It's actually plainly obvious. He wants to rile people.

Its hard to tell if you have one. I'm more curious as to your answer to as to why you think one could not be a Jew and a German.
Well, Herr Führer and his fellow Germans of the time appeared to not only hold that opinion, but also enforce it.

It's not very proper, I think, to attribute to a nation the achievements of a man it has forced out, especially when he didn't belong to it ethnically either.


Well I believe it to be that as you say you are yet to see anything smart come out of Germany.
I have never said or implied that. I only corrected a few misattributions.
Germany has a lot of achievements on its own, it doesn't need to claim Isaac Newton. It's record is, however, not extraordinary either, but on par with other major nations.


And if as you say Germans are so dumb why did you buy a Porsche?
Because they're more fun to drive than any other non-track car. But the engine is still in the wrong place, it's just what makes it fun.

It's not very proper, I think, to attribute to a nation the achievements of a man it has forced out, especially when he didn't belong to it ethnically either. That little tidbit would invalidate just about every American invention in the history of time.

I have never said or implied that. I only corrected a few misattributions.
Germany has a lot of achievements on its own, it doesn't need to claim Isaac Newton. It's record is, however, not extraordinary either, but on par with other major nations.


I will concede this as I mistook you as the poster who started this whole topic up.

That little tidbit would invalidate just about every American invention in the history of time.
US may not have an ethnicity of its own, but it has created a culture, where new thought is welcome, which stimulates and adopts innovation, where a man has the freedom to create, open new enterprise, and profit from the fruits of his inventions. Some of the American inventors indeed just happened to have migrated in the United States - yet even that is for good reasons - but many others were able to succeed specifically thanks to this culture, as they weren't welcome in their own.


This isn't the same as a Jew whose parents' fate brought him the misery of being born in Germany, being never accepted by it, remaining culturally Jewish, and narrowly escaping being killed by the surrounding locals.

Alternatively, how about attribute inventions solely to the people who invented them and not to the country they came from? See, problem solved. *steers thread back on topic*

Alternatively, how about attribute inventions solely to the people who invented them and not to the country they came from? See, problem solved. *steers thread back on topic*

Well the question is would the same person come up with the same invention had they been in a different country? Does the society and the culture of a country have any influence on a person? Maybe the education system of a country works well to influence someone in a certain area.

Alternatively, how about attribute inventions solely to the people who invented them and not to the country they came from? See, problem solved. *steers thread back on topic*

Well the question is would the same person come up with the same invention had they been in a different country? Does the society and the culture of a country have any influence on a person? Maybe the education system of a country works well to influence someone in a certain area.

I am guessing that the bolded bit of Ifreann's post was a hint; could you and Vault 10 create a new thread to discuss the inventiveness of different countries and stop threadjacking this one?

Well the question is would the same person come up with the same invention had they been in a different country? Does the society and the culture of a country have any influence on a person? Maybe the education system of a country works well to influence someone in a certain area.
Well, that was part of my point.

Albert Einstein was a genius who had the misfortune to be born in Germany, and pulled through despite that. He was failing at school, hating it with passion, dropped out, dodged draft, switched the country to be able to complete his education in Switzerland. He's never been a part of any system, he avoided, played, got around them.

On the opposite end of the scale is Thomas Edison. Credited as the world's most successful inventor, he didn't as much invent things as found people who did, helped them finish their works, put them into production and made profit to finance further inventions. This could never happen in any other country. Edison was what America is all about, the perfect product of this culture, the tale of deserved success in the economic system designed to promote exactly that.

I am sorry I ever read this thread.

I am guessing that the bolded bit of Ifreann's post was a hint; could you and Vault 10 create a new thread to discuss the inventiveness of different countries and stop threadjacking this one?

Well actually my post was to show that Ifreann's post was not steering it back on topic.

And I really have no intention of pursuing this argument.

Sorry Vault 10, but that post was really just a few food for thought questions.

Well, Herr Führer and his fellow Germans of the time appeared to not only hold that opinion, but also enforce it.

It's not very proper, I think, to attribute to a nation the achievements of a man it has forced out, especially when he didn't belong to it ethnically either.


Germany is a federal state, not a "pure" ethnicity. Jews have been living in its constiuent parts for centuries and made many contributions to it as Germans/whatever.

You don't get to half adopt the theories of an abberrant period to patch the holes in your badly thought out argument.

That little tidbit would invalidate just about every American invention in the history of time.

Yes it would however America embraced all the rag a muffins and escaping scientists over the years. The immigration policy and the wide range of freedom is why all of these people came here. So kudos to our nation for creating and fostering inventive people's from all over. One other thing I also want to point out is that America proves that one race isn't really superior if given the same environment to achieve for the most part.

Alternatively, how about attribute inventions solely to the people who invented them and not to the country they came from? See, problem solved. *steers thread back on topic*

You can't do that without giving credit to the host nation for creating the atmosphere to allow it.

I am sorry I ever read this thread.


It serves a purpose and what else would you have been doing?

It serves a purpose and what else would you have been doing?

More than likely cleaning his rifle.

More than likely cleaning his rifle.

I clean my rifle and read on nationstates. Can't do two things at once maybe?

More than likely cleaning his rifle.

Excellent euphemism *applauds*

I clean my rifle and read on nationstates.

Well whatever turns you on. *shrugs*

Can't do two things at once maybe?

Maybe not his style.

And thanks DI, I was going to go with the blunt approach but decided otherwise.

I lol, that this broke away from another thread and now has more posts than it.

USA because we invented the car. According to Obama, and Obama is never wrong.

USA because we invented the car. According to Obama, and Obama is never wrong.

When'd he say that?

When'd he say that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU9wTnif40M

state of the union address.

Actually, it was designated as an automatic rifle. Later it was specifically designated as an "Avtomat", the Russian term equivalent to "assault rifle".


''Avtomat'' means automatic. It's Automatic Kalashnikov 1947, not ''Assault Rifle Kalashnikov 1947''.

Excellent euphemism *applauds*

Whaddya think about "polishing his sword"?

Didnt we say we took credit of everything German after World War II, and all inventions thereafter...

At least the EU should own the copyrights or something, lol...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU9wTnif40M

state of the union address.

OMG BO, made a mistake and said something wrong.

Why aren't people ragging on him for doing it? Why isn't David Lettermen putting up a segment showing that he said the wrong thing?

OMG BO, made a mistake and said something wrong.

Why aren't people ragging on him for doing it? Why isn't David Lettermen putting up a segment showing that he said the wrong thing?

He was not wrong Obama can not be wrong. He is president of all 57 states and can not be wrong.

Yes it would however America embraced all the rag a muffins and escaping scientists over the years. The immigration policy and the wide range of freedom is why all of these people came here. So kudos to our nation for creating and fostering inventive people's from all over. One other thing I also want to point out is that America proves that one race isn't really superior if given the same environment to achieve for the most part.Indeed, I was merely pointing out that if you link inventions to the ethnicity of nationals, then the US doesn't get any.