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Why do some people swear lately that much on this forum?
Do they think it’s a kind of cool?

Since the forum is having a PG-13 label, swearing should be used very careful but in reality the F*CKS fly around.

In fact according the link below, Nationstates should move it’s labelling to the PG rating.

What do you think?

The standard for both forums and game is the US movie rating "PG-13". Mild swearing may be tolerated, mild sexuality may be hinted, but explicit or excessive versions of either or both may result in proportional mod response.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023

A motion picture’s single use of one of the harsher sexually-derived words, though only as an expletive, initially requires at least a PG-13 rating. More than one such expletive requires an R rating, as must even one of those words used in a sexual context

http://www.mpaa.org/FlmRat_Ratings.asp

So the first person who swears gets away with it, but the second person in the thread is committing an offence!

Why do some people swear lately that much on this forum?I've noticed the same thing: ever since you've returned, there has been much more exasperated swearing.

So the first person who swears gets away with it, but the second person in the thread is committing an offence!

According the PG13 rating scheme, it is :)

I've noticed the same thing: ever since you've returned, there has been much more exasperated swearing.

Can you proof this?

Given forums are not subject to legal classification in the same way films are, the moderators of the board can be as lenient as they please in their enforcement of a swearing/sexuality rule. And since -most- people don't line their posts with swearing, they don't seem to cross the line - if I recall however, swearing in the topic title is still a no go and will be amended.

Given forums are not subject to legal classification in the same way films are, the moderators of the board can be as lenient as they please in their enforcement of a swearing/sexuality rule. And since -most- people don't line their posts with swearing, they don't seem to cross the line - if I recall however, swearing in the topic title is still a no go and will be amended.

You are right, most people don't do it. It are usual the same that use it rather a lot.

And about the topic title, try this recent example:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=593075

Fucking people, eh? Always have to be fucking swearing like they can't think of anything else to fucking fit between the damn words. Bastards, all of them.

This will not end well.

Since thread titles until recently appeared on the nationstates website they were held to a higher standard than posts. Schools used the game for classes. Though now I think the recent posts there are from the beta forum.

Also, PG-13 is a general guideline, not a hard and fast rule. You can tell because we can swear more than one would be allowed to in a strictly PG-13 film.

Also, you can sometimes get away with quite a bit with PG-13. Probably even more so with the equivalent 14A in Canada, but then we're more liberal here.

I'd say swearing should be allowed. I can see some limits to keep it "child friendly" if that's what's desired, but really, they'll hear it in school anyways.;)

Fucking people, eh? Always have to be fucking swearing like they can't think of anything else to fucking fit between the damn words. Bastards, all of them.

I think you are the smartest guy in the classroom.

I think you are the smartest guy in the classroom.

It's nice to see that nothing has changed since I was in a classroom then. Hey, if I hadn't done it, someone else would've.

I could've gone on and on about blah blah freedom of speech and yada yada every group finds its own level and yak yak people will just make up new swear words(like, say, 'frak') but even though nobody likes to hear me talk more than I do, I'dve just bored myself, much less everyone else.

And I don't come here to be bored.

It's nice to see that nothing has changed since I was in a classroom then. Hey, if I hadn't done it, someone else would've.

I could've gone on and on about blah blah freedom of speech and yada yada every group finds its own level and yak yak people will just make up new swear words(like, say, 'frak') but even though nobody likes to hear me talk more than I do, I'dve just bored myself, much less everyone else.

And I don't come here to be bored.

I understand that you did it because it is somehow funny.

But children should now be guided by their parents, to read your remark. :)

I concur wholeheartedly with the message of this thread. I am disgusted by the fact that no-one here ever seems to think of the children. Some of you may think these are just 'words', and protected by free speech, but great moral damage is done.

I have some other suggestions. I think we should stop referring to each other using pronouns such as 'he' or 'she', since that implies sex (I use the word in its non-filthy sense) difference between posters. This in turn offers clues to curious children of how sex might work, which is highly inappropriate. Abortion and gay marriage threads should also be banned, since they gives further clues about intercourse, as well as normalizing thoroughly immoral practices.

Furthermore, we should stop making references on here to wars or the possibility of future wars. This will cause children to imagine the sort of images that it is inappropriate and disturbing for them to see.

Lastly, we should refrain from referring to atheism or the existence of non-Christian cults such as that begun by the child-marrying terrorist Mohammed. Such an act of blasphemy could easily serve to undermine the faith of our children, causing them great moral injury and risking leading them down the dark path to hellfire.

Meh! Coz it's part of everyday language?

Meh! Coz it's part of everyday language?

Of course a little swearing doesn't harm. But with some people I have the feeling I'm talking with a drug dealing pimp. :)

Now also drug dealing pimps should have some room on this board, but since the forum labelled itself a PG-13 rating, the pimps should adjust themselves to that situation. And they don’t.

Of course a little swearing doesn't harm. But with some people I have the feeling I'm talking with a drug dealing pimp. :)

Now also drug dealing pimps should have some room on this board, but since the forum labelled itself a PG-13 rating, the pimps should adjust themselves to that situation. And they don’t.

It sounds like you're trolling someone. Let me guess, someone swore at you, you objected, and instead of going to moderation, you made this thread. Close?

Maybe an over the top solution, but workable, could work like this:

All users enter a rating when they create their account. If they enter by instance PG13, they are only able to see PG13 (or lower) postings.

When they create a posting, they enter the rating that's correlated with the language use in the posting.

When a user abused the posting rating, mods can alter the rating, give the user a warning, ban or whatever.

In such system, one can swear as much as he or she wants. :)

It sounds like you're trolling someone. Let me guess, someone swore at you, you objected, and instead of going to moderation, you made this thread. Close?

No, not at all. One was swearing and another guy talked about the PG13 rating of this board. That triggered the idea of this posting.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14776104&postcount=11

If it was like you said, I would have created this posting already months ago.

Why do some people swear lately that much on this forum?

You ain't from around these parts, are ya stranger?

*spits*

You ain't from around these parts, are ya stranger?

*spits*

What's a stranger on a forum with an international audience? Explain me that one.

I, for one, am deeply offended.

Bottle has been using "fuck" like a comma around here for at least four years.

Since the forum is having a PG-13 label, swearing should be used very careful but in reality the F*CKS fly around.
In fact according the link below, Nationstates should move it’s labelling to the PG rating.
What do you think?
Meh. At 10 I already knew all the possible range of italian swearing and insults, ranging from a plain "you stupid" to monstruous multicompound 5-deities-and-15-saints blasphemies. (It would be racist to blaspheme ONLY the God of the Christians, after all).

The standard for both forums and game is the US movie rating "PG-13". Mild swearing may be tolerated, mild sexuality may be hinted, but explicit or excessive versions of either or both may result in proportional mod response.
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I find very odd, on a purely jurisdictional level, that an internet site whose domain ends by .uk should abide to US standards.

I quite enjoy the threads where Neesika hints at mild sexuality

I, for one, am deeply offended.

Bottle has been using "fuck" like a comma around here for at least four years.

I counted 13 comma's and 1 fuck in your last 3 postings (including this one).

So it's not entirely true what you are saying.

I counted 13 comma's and 1 fuck in your last 3 postings (including this one).

So it's not entirely true what you are saying.Oooh, literalism! Funzies!

Wait, no, never mind. Boring.

Meh. At 10 I already knew all the possible range of italian swearing and insults, ranging from a plain "you stupid" to monstruous multicompound 5-deities-and-15-saints blasphemies. (It would be racist to blaspheme ONLY the God of the Christians, after all).

The standard for both forums and game is the US movie rating "PG-13". Mild swearing may be tolerated, mild sexuality may be hinted, but explicit or excessive versions of either or both may result in proportional mod response.


I find very odd, on a purely jurisdictional level, that an internet site whose domain ends by .uk should abide to US standards.

That's weird indeed :)

There are a few solutions.

Or the forum allow the swearing, but then they should remove 'we are PG13' label.
Or the forum doesn't allow it.
Or they create a system where it's allowed but not viewable for people who may not see it.

Oooh, literalism! Funzies!

Wait, no, never mind. Boring.

I'll add 3 commas and no fuck ;)

If anyone finds the level of swearing around here offensive, I suggest you take uncle Chopper's advice and harden the fuck up.

If anyone finds the level of swearing around here offensive, I suggest you take uncle Chopper's advice and harden the fuck up.

Nah, nobody actually finds it offensive. Every so often one of these threads about how NSG is too mean/offensive/sexual/liberal will pop up, but it never has much to do with their stated OP. It's just the same attention-seeking routine that you see from people who campaign against "obscenity" in any other venue. As long as we post a few times in their thread they will be happy and will settle down because they got what they wanted.

Nah, nobody actually finds it offensive. Every so often one of these threads about how NSG is too mean/offensive/sexual/liberal will pop up, but it never has much to do with their stated OP. It's just the same attention-seeking routine that you see from people who campaign against "obscenity" in any other venue. As long as we post a few times in their thread they will be happy and will settle down because they got what they wanted.

It's not me who labeled this forum a PG-13 label.

You can't have one and still allow the swearing.

And do you have proof, one single posting, where I campaign against obscenity?

I, for one, am deeply offended.

Bottle has been using "fuck" like a comma around here for at least four years.

Well, what do you expect...that bottle is one uppity bitch.

I believe it's up to the mods to decide whether or not it's ok. If someone is using profanities excessively, then they'll be told to knock it off.

I personally try not to, because I've seen the sort of havoc filtering software can cause and don't want to add to the burden of someone operating under one of these regimes.

Well, what do you expect...that bottle is one uppity bitch.

That Bottle is one bad mother-wait, Hairless Kitten doesn't want me to finish that sentence.


Swearing, especially on a place where written word is the only choice, adds kinetic energy to what's being said. When inflection isn't an option it is a good stand by tool.

"You've got to be kidding me" is not the same as "You have got to be fucking kidding me." The first is casual disbelief, the second is disbelief colored with disgust.

"I don't care" and "I don't give a fuck" are not the same. It's the difference between "Pick whatever" and "this seriously doesn't matter, do not bother me with it."

Outside of a job interview or broadcast or whatever, I don't see what the problem with swearing is. You'd have to have fucking delicate sensibilities to be bothered by it at this point, really. (see, saying 'pretty delicate' was not a severe enough watermark, as said sensibilities would have to be more than 'pretty delicate,' but rather 'fucking delicate,' which would be more.)

That Bottle is one bad mother-wait, Hairless Kitten doesn't want me to finish that sentence.

You should shut yo mouth, unless you're just talking bout Bottle, in which case I can dig it.

Swearing is an easy way to show how vehemently you feel about something.

Nah, nobody actually finds it offensive. Every so often one of these threads about how NSG is too mean/offensive/sexual/liberal will pop up, but it never has much to do with their stated OP. It's just the same attention-seeking routine that you see from people who campaign against "obscenity" in any other venue. As long as we post a few times in their thread they will be happy and will settle down because they got what they wanted.

How many Bottles are there on this forum?

Because one Bottles wants easy rules, that can be use it at the will of the mods.

The other Bottle do like clarity...

I don't trust a system like that, because it basically says that police can pick and choose when they will enforce a law, and (at least in America) that translates to "white frat boys can do it and get off with a warning, brown people get 25 to life."


I'm so confused, help me out please ;)

Neesika swears prodigiously, yet she is well educated and extremely intelligent. If we censored swearwords, we would lose a part of Neesika. I have said before, and I say again: obscenities often convey emotions better than smileys.

If you think swearing on NSG is bad, take a look at 4chan or YTMND or Newgrounds forums and then reconsider.

I'll add 3 commas and no fuck ;)

no fuck from Bottle? say it ain't so!!! :(

I swear, cause thats how I talk...You dislike it, or consider it ignorant, fine, just dont expect me to care...

If you think swearing on NSG is bad, take a look at 4chan or YTMND or Newgrounds forums and then reconsider.

And do they have a PG13 rating?

And do they have a PG13 rating?

No, definitely not, http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/uploads/ipbfree.com/generalitemafia/emo-24.gif

But, hell, I mean, if the Dark Knight is PG-13, surely NSG is as well, even in its current state...

I concur wholeheartedly with the message of this thread. I am disgusted by the fact that no-one here ever seems to think of the children. Some of you may think these are just 'words', and protected by free speech, but great moral damage is done.

I have some other suggestions. I think we should stop referring to each other using pronouns such as 'he' or 'she', since that implies sex (I use the word in its non-filthy sense) difference between posters. This in turn offers clues to curious children of how sex might work, which is highly inappropriate. Abortion and gay marriage threads should also be banned, since they gives further clues about intercourse, as well as normalizing thoroughly immoral practices.

Furthermore, we should stop making references on here to wars or the possibility of future wars. This will cause children to imagine the sort of images that it is inappropriate and disturbing for them to see.

Lastly, we should refrain from referring to atheism or the existence of non-Christian cults such as that begun by the child-marrying terrorist Mohammed. Such an act of blasphemy could easily serve to undermine the faith of our children, causing them great moral injury and risking leading them down the dark path to hellfire.
That's fucking hilarious.

I'm wondering what's so hard on posting without swearing? You DON'T need it. It usual sounds like a bad B-movie and mostly it destroys the wisdom you are sharing behind.

If you are all a little honest then you really have to admit that some people act like they have the Tourette syndrome. Maybe they are, but they can go in therapy, take pills or whatever.

I don't get it, the owners of this forum said 'we are PG13', not me, so why do you want suddenly to break this very easy to follow rule, which is in no way an attack on your freedom of speech.

Sure, swearing should not be strictly forbidden, but is it really needed that some people use it rather a lot? I don't think so.

What the fuck? Swearing's a great fucking way to express my fucking opinions.

What the fuck? Swearing's a great fucking way to express my fucking opinions.

Why do you think it is often called "colourful language"?

What the fuck? Swearing's a great fucking way to express my fucking opinions.

In your case, you have no other way doing it ;)

Why do you think it is often called "colourful language"?

Because o f this? :p

Why do you think it is often called "colourful language"?
Wow, you used a "u".
In your case, you have no other way doing it ;)

Damn fucking strait.

Wow, you used a "u".

So?

Wow, you used a "u".


Damn fucking strait.

Maybe you can add a warning in your sign, something like:

"I'm definitely not a fucking PG13 type of guy" :)

So?

You're a yank.

Foxing baxtereds, the lorra yous.

Holy cow! These forums are technically infringing stupid regulations, from a country they aren't even based in, in a manner that will have absolutely no legal implications.

THIS MORAL WRONG NEEDS RIGHTING! WHERE IS THE BATMAN? WHERE IS THE HIGHLY RESTRICTIVE CENSORSHIP WE NEED TO SAVE US FROM OURSELVES???

THIS MORAL WRONG NEEDS RIGHTING! WHERE IS THE BATMAN? WHERE IS THE HIGHLY RESTRICTIVE CENSORSHIP WE NEED TO SAVE US FROM OURSELVES???

Ok, I'm here. What do you need?

http://www.mcgonigal.org/IMAGES/alex/08-0406/alex_P3294.jpg

Ok, I'm here. What do you need?

http://www.mcgonigal.org/IMAGES/alex/08-0406/alex_P3294.jpg

That's not the real Santa Claus.

Ok, I'm here. What do you need?
TERRIFYING image snip

That scared me. it really did. it's like... something is very, very wrong in that picture.

That scared me. it really did. it's like... something is very, very wrong in that picture.

Muahahaha. My work is done.

*shoots grappling hook into nearby building, and swings away*

Why do you think it is often called "colourful language"?

Indeed. Mauve that fuchsia rule.

I agree with the OP. We, the members of NSG, should form a 'no cussing club' and *eyes closed* set an example for the little people.

I agree with the OP. We, the members of NSG, should form a 'no cussing club' and *eyes closed* set an example for the little people.

Yeah...Like that wouldnt be spammed to death inside of five minutes, :rolleyes:

Maybe an over the top solution, but workable, could work like this:

All users enter a rating when they create their account. If they enter by instance PG13, they are only able to see PG13 (or lower) postings.

When they create a posting, they enter the rating that's correlated with the language use in the posting.

When a user abused the posting rating, mods can alter the rating, give the user a warning, ban or whatever.

In such system, one can swear as much as he or she wants. :)
Oh for fuck's sake, who gives a shit? It's just fucking words. Lighten the fuck up and chill the hell out already.

I'm English. Not swearing would be like not drinking tea.

I'm English. Not swearing would be like not drinking tea.

Yeah, you guys are like on a whole 'nother level of cussing, :p

Bloody is not a cuss and no one other than Britfags recognize git.

Bloody is not a cuss and no one other than Britfags recognize git.

Jerkoff is not a cuss, and no one other than Yank wankers recognise asshat, but at least over here we don't pretend everyone speaks the same way as us, and only the words we consider rude are rude. So, all in all, shot the fuck up.

Jerkoff is not a cuss, and no one other than Yank wankers recognise asshat, but at least over here we don't pretend everyone speaks the same way as us, and only the words we consider rude are rude. So, all in all, shot the fuck up.

Asshat? Seriously? That's a word?

Asshat? Seriously? That's a word?

I think it is used as a euphemism by people rather than saying asshole, in the same way someone might say 'shoot' rather than shit.

Or the forum allow the swearing, but then they should remove 'we are PG13' label.

Remove the PG13. It's the simplest solution.

Think of the children: do not nominate the former VP of the US! He's really scary, and creates devastating moral damages. (Also physical damages.)

I've noticed the same thing: ever since you've returned, there has been much more exasperated swearing.

I see what you did there....

I concur wholeheartedly with the message of this thread. I am disgusted by the fact that no-one here ever seems to think of the children. Some of you may think these are just 'words', and protected by free speech, but great moral damage is done.

I have some other suggestions. I think we should stop referring to each other using pronouns such as 'he' or 'she', since that implies sex (I use the word in its non-filthy sense) difference between posters. This in turn offers clues to curious children of how sex might work, which is highly inappropriate. Abortion and gay marriage threads should also be banned, since they gives further clues about intercourse, as well as normalizing thoroughly immoral practices.

Furthermore, we should stop making references on here to wars or the possibility of future wars. This will cause children to imagine the sort of images that it is inappropriate and disturbing for them to see.

Lastly, we should refrain from referring to atheism or the existence of non-Christian cults such as that begun by the child-marrying terrorist Mohammed. Such an act of blasphemy could easily serve to undermine the faith of our children, causing them great moral injury and risking leading them down the dark path to hellfire.

I see what you did there. Nice!

I'm wondering what's so hard on posting without swearing? You DON'T need it. It usual sounds like a bad B-movie and mostly it destroys the wisdom you are sharing behind.

If you are all a little honest then you really have to admit that some people act like they have the Tourette syndrome. Maybe they are, but they can go in therapy, take pills or whatever.

I don't get it, the owners of this forum said 'we are PG13', not me, so why do you want suddenly to break this very easy to follow rule, which is in no way an attack on your freedom of speech.

Sure, swearing should not be strictly forbidden, but is it really needed that some people use it rather a lot? I don't think so.

HK, you must realize that merely bringing up this subject was bound to unleash a torrent of swear-wielding dissent -- at the count of 41-6 against your idea at this point. If you're looking to catalogue things you don't like, you're far more likely to see them than if you let it go and stop looking for them.

I agree with the OP. We, the members of NSG, should form a 'no cussing club' and *eyes closed* set an example for the little people.

What, dwarves can't swear?

You're a yank.
Me too, as I'm a yank as well. Maybe he is an Anglophile or just doing it to please the Brits here.

Me too, as I'm a yank as well. Maybe he is an Anglophile or just doing it to please the Brits here.

English and British are different thing.

Pissflaps to you all.

Pissflaps to you all.

You chancreblossom! How dare you!

Me too, as I'm a yank as well. Maybe he is an Anglophile or just doing it to please the Brits here.

I happen to read a lot of British literature and I sometimes mix-up my spellings.

So spelled it the British way. Big deal.

I happen to read a lot of British literature and I sometimes mix-up my spellings.

What British books d'you read?

I happen to read a lot of British literature and I sometimes mix-up my spellings.

So spelled it the British way. Big deal.

Yeah it's not important, it just surprised me that you spelt it like that.

What British books d'you read?

Harry Potter I bet.

Yeah it's not important, it just surprised me that you spelt it like that.

Why must you try to impose your way of spelling on everyone else?

Harry Potter I bet.

No need to be pissy. Parkus could probably out-read most of NSG.

What British books d'you read?

Short stories, mostly. I like Conrad and Doyle a lot.

No need to be pissy. Parkus could probably out-read most of NSG.

I know, he's read books I've never heard of and wouldn't understand.

Yeah it's not important, it just surprised me that you spelt it like that.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spelled

I like Conrad and Doyle a lot.

As in Conan-Doyle?

Why must you try to impose your way of spelling on everyone else?

Cos I cant spel.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spelled

Spelt is an English variant. I use it.

Harry Potter I bet.

I have read, and enjoyed, all of them, though the climax was disappointing.

Short stories, mostly. I like Conrad and Doyle a lot.

What? You mean Conrad-Doyle?

As in Conan-Doyle?

Da.

What? You mean Conrad-Doyle?
No, Joseph Conrad and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

I have read, and enjoyed, all of them, though the climax was disappointing.

I agree.

No, Joseph Conrad and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

Yes collectively "Conrad-Doyle".

Yes collectively "Conrad-Doyle".

Pardon?

Pardon?

He's trying to make a joke/play on words, and failing.

He's trying to make a joke/play on words, and failing.

Was I? I'm sorry I didn't know you were a fountain of all knowledge.

HK, you must realize that merely bringing up this subject was bound to unleash a torrent of swear-wielding dissent -- at the count of 41-6 against your idea at this point. If you're looking to catalogue things you don't like, you're far more likely to see them than if you let it go and stop looking for them.


Nationstates is not a democracy. And maybe it is showing something completely different than you, again once more, are assuming.

And maybe it is showing something completely different than you, again once more, are assuming.

No it's not. 90% of people being OK with swearing means they are OK with swearing. You lose.

Nationstates is not a democracy. And maybe it is showing something completely different than you, again once more, are assuming.

You know the mods do read the threads one their own and are capable of taking action without a report being made.

Do you honestly think that they haven't seen this fucking thread?

No it's not. 90% of people being OK with swearing means they are OK with swearing. You lose.

What do I lose? It's not a matter of losing or winning. First of all, it's just suggesting something, because not all users answered the poll.

And I'm not sure yet what it is suggesting. The forum is having a PG13 label and its users are probably in a high need for swearing. That means that it's maybe wise to drop the PG13 label, else it would be hypocrite and misleading a kind of users which expect a minimum swearing level.

Or that a kind of filter system should be installed.

But you can't have both. You can't allow swearing and label yourself as PG13.

But you can't have both. You can't allow swearing and label yourself as PG13.

Actually, we can and we do. :D

I agree with the OP. We, the members of NSG, should form a 'no cussing club' and *eyes closed* set an example for the little people.
Are leprechauns adverse to swearing?

Are leprechauns adverse to swearing?

I don't know, what with not having had the opportunity to swear around one...

What do I lose? It's not a matter of losing or winning. First of all, it's just suggesting something, because not all users answered the poll.

90% of a sample of over fifty is very strongly suggestive. Please explain what factors might mean this result is not generalizable?

And I'm not sure yet what it is suggesting. The forum is having a PG13 label and its users are probably in a high need for swearing. That means that it's maybe wise to drop the PG13 label, else it would be hypocrite and misleading a kind of users which expect a minimum swearing level. Or that a kind of filter system should be installed.

Do you really think that the PG13 label means anything in reality? That a kid would look up the rating when on the internet, see it, and then log off? Or that parents really sit over their kids, watching them on the internet and checking the rating of each site they visit.

But you can't have both. You can't allow swearing and label yourself as PG13.

Factually incorrect, NSG can and it does. Morally speaking, it won't make any difference for anyone so its a very small issue thats probably not worth making a fuss about. Seeing as you are making a fuss of it, its logical to deduce you have a personal problem with swearing which motivated you to make this thread to pursue your agenda.

However, you've been repeatedly called on this. So your efforts to hide your own prudishness behind a cloak of technical, meaningless legal details have failed. And you've attracted next to no support for your censorship agenda despite adding these supposed justifications to your case.

So, yes. You have lost. Badly. Give up.

However, you've been repeatedly called on this. So your efforts to hide your own prudishness behind a cloak of technical, meaningless legal details have failed. And you've attracted next to no support for your censorship agenda despite adding these supposed justifications to your case.

So, yes. You have lost. Badly. Give up.

Indeed... Or alternatively keep making yourself look ridiculous.

Or that parents really sit over their kids, watching them on the internet and checking the rating of each site they visit.

Vanishing_shame's parents did.

Vanishing_shame's parents did.

And he claims to be an adult.

And he claims to be an adult.

He claims a lot of things. He was 13, he was 14, he was at college, he was retired...

He claims a lot of things. He was 13, he was 14, he was at college, he was retired...
This is the internet, where the girls are guys, the 70 year olds are 13, and the 13 year olds are FBI agents trying to catch pedophiles who try to act on their urges.

This is the internet, where the girls are guys, the 70 year olds are 13, and the 13 year olds are FBI agents trying to catch pedophiles who try to act on their urges.

Sigged for win.

Maybe you can add a warning in your sign, something like:

"I'm definitely not a fucking PG13 type of guy" :)

Sigged, btw.

90% of a sample of over fifty is very strongly suggestive. Please explain what factors might mean this result is not generalizable?

The amount of users. 56 people answered the poll. I think Nationstates is having more users. And probably only a specimen of the regular users took part in the poll. And some people didn't answer the poll at all. Do you need more?

Like I said, it’s suggesting something.



Do you really think that the PG13 label means anything in reality? That a kid would look up the rating when on the internet, see it, and then log off? Or that parents really sit over their kids, watching them on the internet and checking the rating of each site they visit.


It must mean something for Nationstates, since they are using this label. You would be amazed how many parents check the internet behaviour of their children. That's why Net Nanny is rather popular.




Factually incorrect, NSG can and it does. Morally speaking, it won't make any difference for anyone so its a very small issue thats probably not worth making a fuss about. Seeing as you are making a fuss of it, its logical to deduce you have a personal problem with swearing which motivated you to make this thread to pursue your agenda.


No, I already said before what triggered the intentions of this thread.


However, you've been repeatedly called on this. So your efforts to hide your own prudishness behind a cloak of technical, meaningless legal details have failed. And you've attracted next to no support for your censorship agenda despite adding these supposed justifications to your case.

So, yes. You have lost. Badly. Give up.

I didn't label this site as PG13. The founding father(s) of this site did.

And again, it's not a matter of winning or losing.

A site that is labeling itself as PG13 while it is not, is something as a beautiful lady who wants some sex with you but in the bedroom appears the be an ugly man with one leg, false teeth, a peruke and no breasts.

You don't want to experience such adventure. :)

There's just one thing I have to say.

Fuck

It must mean something for Nationstates, since they are using this label.

No, they're not, at least not that I've ever seen. There is no "this forum is rated PG-13" label. There is no "we guarantee that your children will not see obscene content here" label. There is a GUIDELINE for players that states that going beyond PG-13 content could result in action against them at the moderators' discretion. Do you really not understand what a large distinction this is?

The amount of users. 56 people answered the poll. I think Nationstates is having more users. And probably only a specimen of the regular users took part in the poll. And some people didn't answer the poll at all. Do you need more?

As a proportion of the NSG population of regulars, sixty-odd people isn't a particualrly bad number relative to a lot of surveys. What reasons do you have to suggest that this group is so dramatically skewed that nearly ninety percent is not a reliable indicator the minority are against you?

It must mean something for Nationstates, since they are using this label. You would be amazed how many parents check the internet behaviour of their children. That's why Net Nanny is rather popular.

They aren't using the label actively, and it isn't displayed prominently. Its been used by our mods as a guideline not as a binding regulation. The mods use their discretion. We should keep things broadly PG-13 as a guideline, they'll stop anything that really crosses the line, or place a warning in a thread title if the whole topic likely not to be PG-13. I don't think there's a case that a strict application would be beneficial.

I think getting over it and leaving it alone is a far better solution than a swear filter, which no-one wants. Forcing it upon us for such a small issue that no one except one user cares about is akin to the use of a thermonuclear device to clear cobwebs.

No, they're not, at least not that I've ever seen. There is no "this forum is rated PG-13" label. There is no "we guarantee that your children will not see obscene content here" label. There is a GUIDELINE for players that states that going beyond PG-13 content could result in action against them at the moderators' discretion. Do you really not understand what a large distinction this is?

I do, but you don't. There's a solution for: remove the label and every one can have his swear party, isn't? :)

I do, but you don't. There's a solution for: remove the label and every one can have his swear party, isn't? :)

I'll put it up in a special colour so its super duper obvious the point you keep missing.

Its being used as a guideline, not a definite regulation. Since its not being used as a fixed regulation but as a general frame for moderation, the fact that all posts don't meet it isn't a problem, it doesn't need removing, and will do fine as it is. If it is a guideline, there is room for moderator interpretation, and for some posts that cross the line of PG13 to be allowed. k?

As a proportion of the NSG population of regulars, sixty-odd people isn't a particualrly bad number relative to a lot of surveys. What reasons do you have to suggest that this group is so dramatically skewed that nearly ninety percent is not a reliable indicator the minority are against you?



They aren't using the label actively, and it isn't displayed prominently. Its been used by our mods as a guideline not as a binding regulation. The mods use their discretion. We should keep things broadly PG-13 as a guideline, they'll stop anything that really crosses the line, or place a warning in a thread title if the whole topic likely not to be PG-13. I don't think there's a case that a strict application would be beneficial.

I think getting over it and leaving it alone is a far better solution than a swear filter, which no-one wants. Forcing it upon us for such a small issue that no one except one user cares about is akin to the use of a thermonuclear device to clear cobwebs.

I never said I want a swear filter.

So if PG13 is a guideline for the mods, how should we know what are the rules for us and what are the guidelines for them?

Because now it isn't clear. Rules and laws, that are difficult to check or not used in reality are often bad laws.

I never said I want a swear filter.

So if PG13 is a guideline for the mods, how should we know what are the rules for us and what are the guidelines for them?

Because now it isn't clear. Rules and laws, that are difficult to check or not used in reality are often bad laws.

I don't understand your first point. The rules for us and them are presumably the same, and its a rather redundant point since the mods hardly run around trolling and breaking the rules.

On the second point. Laws on an internet forum don't need to be clear. Clear, perfectly defined laws can be overly inflexible, and demand punishments that aren't suitable to the particular context. We've been given a guideline, and the mods use their own judgement on the issues on the boundary. When we push the boundary too far for them, we're given warnings, so we get a pretty good idea of what they think is ok. I don't think that the current system works too badly.

I don't understand your first point. The rules for us and them are presumably the same, and its a rather redundant point since the mods hardly run around trolling and breaking the rules.


I was confused by your line:


Its been used by our mods as a guideline not as a binding regulation. The mods use their discretion...




On the second point. Laws on an internet forum don't need to be clear. Clear, perfectly defined laws can be overly inflexible, and demand punishments that aren't suitable to the particular context. We've been given a guideline, and the mods use their own judgement on the issues on the boundary. When we push the boundary too far for them, we're given warnings, so we get a pretty good idea of what they think is ok. I don't think that the current system works too badly.

And then you get what you have now. Some people can say all, including doing personal insults and others don't.

And sorry, but IMHO it's a little bit hypocrite to say 'oh yes, we are PG13', while a significant amount of the posts do contain lot of swearing. Why continue this hypocrisy? You don't need that label to attract schools or whatever or am I wrong?

For some parents & organisations could it could work like a promise, but when they bought the product and see that it is not containing what is promised than they maybe feel cheated.

I don’t mind a little swearing, but the last few months it’s like if you’re not swearing, you almost don’t fulfil the norm anymore. :)

I was confused by your line:

I mean to say that the mods use it as a guideline for their decisions, but not as the absolute be all and end all.

And then you get what you have now. Some people can say all, including doing personal insults and others don't.

I'm not aware of this being the case. If you're referring to the recent incident when you reported a rather laughably mild dig as a flame, then I can't say I agree. You do seem to have a bit of a persecution complex.

And sorry, but IMHO it's a little bit hypocrite to say 'oh yes, we are PG13', while a significant amount of the posts do contain lot of swearing. Why continue this hypocrisy? You don't need that label to attract schools or whatever or am I wrong?

Its in the guidelines as a general broad guide to what is acceptable for n00bs, but unless you root around in the rules you won't find it. Its not like they run around shouting PG13 status from the roof-tops. Its not hypocrisy to advise users that you're broadly PG13 and then allow moderators to use some discretion.

For some parents & organisations could it could work like a promise, but when they bought the product and see that it is not containing what is promised than they maybe feel cheated.

You don't buy NSG. There's no payment or contract. If you look at the rules, and see a PG13 guideline and then get angry when the guideline is not imposed as a hard and fast inflexible rule, thats the problem for whoever read it and misunderstood it as binding upon the moderators.

And then you get what you have now. Some people can say all, including doing personal insults and others don't.

As you have been told several dozen times now, this is not true. The mods are not all-powerful. If you think someone has insulted you, you have to report it.

And sorry, but IMHO it's a little bit hypocrite to say 'oh yes, we are PG13', while a significant amount of the posts do contain lot of swearing. Why continue this hypocrisy? You don't need that label to attract schools or whatever or am I wrong?

Which is probably why they do not use any PG-13 label. It is simply a guideline. Apparently, you think repeating the same nonsense over and over will make it true. Sadly, this does not actually work.


For some parents & organisations could it could work like a promise, but when they bought the product and see that it is not containing what is promised than they maybe feel cheated.

What on earth are you talking about?

I don’t mind a little swearing, but the last few months it’s like if you’re not swearing, you almost don’t fulfil the norm anymore. :)

That's nice. There are other forums on the internet. I'm sure you can find one without swearing.

As you have been told several dozen times now, this is not true. The mods are not all-powerful. If you think someone has insulted you, you have to report it.


If I would say, out of the blue, that you need help, psychological help, and you know I am not qualified to diagnose, could one consider this as an insult?

If I would do this in a bar then I certainly get a punch on my face :)



Which is probably why they do not use any PG-13 label. It is simply a guideline. Apparently, you think repeating the same nonsense over and over will make it true. Sadly, this does not actually work.


Sure, let us keep the hypocrisy, so much easier, isn't? :)


What on earth are you talking about?

They say that some schools use this forum for educational reasons. I can imagine that they would mind a PG13 label. And so do a many parents.


That's nice. There are other forums on the internet. I'm sure you can find one without swearing.

So I should leave because I advocate a written rule, while others who don't should stay? :)

If I would say, out of the blue, that you need help, psychological help, and you know I am not qualified to diagnose, could one consider this as an insult?

On the internet....no?

If I would do this in a bar then I certainly get a punch on my face :)

So if you said to an overly-aggressive person, they might punch you. Thats nice. Not relevant, but thanks.

Sure, let us keep the hypocrisy, so much easier, isn't? :)

Good, good. Keep ignoring and failing to engage with the argument that several of us have been making that this isn't hypocrisy BECUASE ITS ONLY A GUIDELINE, NOT PRESENTED AS BINDING!


They say that some schools use this forum for educational reasons. I can imagine that they would mind a PG13 label. And so do a many parents.

For Christ's sake. Again...it isn't presented as an inflexible rule, only a guideline. The forum does not explicitly have a PG13 LABEL, only a general guideline. No hypocrisy. Please? Its not complicated.

So I should leave because I advocate a written rule, while others who don't should stay? :)

ARGH!!! HAVING TO SAY THE SAME THING SO MANY TIMES ONLY TO HAVE IT COMPLETELY IGNORED IS DRIVING ME MAD. But don't advise that I seek psychological help with my anger issues. Because that would be a flame :rolleyes:

If I would say, out of the blue, that you need help, psychological help, and you know I am not qualified to diagnose, could one consider this as an insult?

One could, I suppose. I wouldn't be particularly insulted. In fact, I'd probably be more insulted by someone who felt that "you need psychological help" was inherently an insult, as that implies the sort of stigma on mental illness I personally find quite repugnant.

If I would do this in a bar then I certainly get a punch on my face :)

So?


Sure, let us keep the hypocrisy, so much easier, isn't? :)

Except that there still isn't any hypocrisy, except in your head.


They say that some schools use this forum for educational reasons. I can imagine that they would mind a PG13 label. And so do a many parents.

I can't figure out what you're trying to say here, but the point remains that there IS NO PG-13 LABEL.


So I should leave because I advocate a written rule, while others who don't should stay? :)

No, you should abide by the rules of the forum you're on. This forum allows swearing. If you are not okay with other people following the rules, you should find a forum that makes you happier.

Nationstates is not a democracy. And maybe it is showing something completely different than you, again once more, are assuming.

53 to 6. A sample over 50 with that heavy a bias toward "you're wrong" means you're wrong.

What do I lose? It's not a matter of losing or winning. First of all, it's just suggesting something, because not all users answered the poll.

And not all citizens vote an any nation's elections. I think an NSG poll is slightly less important than an election, so it's safe to say that the sample is large enough to say that your notion of censorship is indeed unfavorable here.

And I'm not sure yet what it is suggesting. The forum is having a PG13 label and its users are probably in a high need for swearing. That means that it's maybe wise to drop the PG13 label, else it would be hypocrite and misleading a kind of users which expect a minimum swearing level.

The forum "is having" a PG-13 GUIDELINE, beyond which, AT THE MODS DISCRETION, some posts may be acted upon if directed at others.

But you can't have both. You can't allow swearing and label yourself as PG13.

Good thing NSG is not labeled as PG-13, then. Suggestion. Guideline. Look 'em up, HK, those definitions could be useful to you.

No, they're not, at least not that I've ever seen. There is no "this forum is rated PG-13" label. There is no "we guarantee that your children will not see obscene content here" label. There is a GUIDELINE for players that states that going beyond PG-13 content could result in action against them at the moderators' discretion. Do you really not understand what a large distinction this is?

No, she really can't. Mostly because she doesn't want to, but partially because her English is just good enough to get around here, but not good enough to make idiomatic and slight distinctions.

I do, but you don't. There's a solution for: remove the label and every one can have his swear party, isn't? :)

I rest my case.

If I would say, out of the blue, that you need help, psychological help, and you know I am not qualified to diagnose, could one consider this as an insult?

I can't recall who said that "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time is the definition of insanity", but I agree with it. I don't think the person who said it was a qualified psychologist, either.

If I would do this in a bar then I certainly get a punch on my face :)

Good thing we're not in a bar, then?

Sure, let us keep the hypocrisy, so much easier, isn't? :)

If it were hypocrisy, you'd have a point.

They say that some schools use this forum for educational reasons. I can imagine that they would mind a PG13 label. And so do a many parents.

Then they can bugger off, can't they?

So I should leave because I advocate a written rule, while others who don't should stay? :)

You should leave if you don't think the forum suits your tastes. It doesn't seem to, but it looks as though you'd rather complain about it than take any real action. So we try to point out that you're wrong, dancing around the issue when you're shown to be wrong, and you get all hurt and petulant.

I never said I want a swear filter.

So if PG13 is a guideline for the mods, how should we know what are the rules for us and what are the guidelines for them?

Because now it isn't clear. Rules and laws, that are difficult to check or not used in reality are often bad laws.

Just out of curiosity, aren't vague, flexible guidelines exactly what you're attempting to advocate in the cannabis thread?

I'll put it up in a special colour so its super duper obvious the point you keep missing.

Its being used as a guideline, not a definite regulation. Since its not being used as a fixed regulation but as a general frame for moderation, the fact that all posts don't meet it isn't a problem, it doesn't need removing, and will do fine as it is. If it is a guideline, there is room for moderator interpretation, and for some posts that cross the line of PG13 to be allowed. k?

Ooooh, that's pretty.

Just out of curiosity, aren't vague, flexible guidelines exactly what you're attempting to advocate in the cannabis thread?

Yes I am. And I believe that the PG13 rule on this board is a good one. Only it is not carried out well.

I have to see the first movie, with a PG13 rating, that is containing similar content as the one sometimes provided on this forum.

If I would use some weed inside my house, in the absence of children, go to work, pay my taxes and do not harm myself or anyone due that use then I wouldn't accept it that the police would knock on my door. In this country, the police wouldn't enter my house in such case.

Some swearing should be allowed, I don't advocate a witch hunt on swears. :) But some people use it almost automatically or as the only content of their opinion (aka 'this is shit') without any arguments at all.

53 to 6. A sample over 50 with that heavy a bias toward "you're wrong" means you're wrong.



And not all citizens vote an any nation's elections. I think an NSG poll is slightly less important than an election, so it's safe to say that the sample is large enough to say that your notion of censorship is indeed unfavorable here.



The forum "is having" a PG-13 GUIDELINE, beyond which, AT THE MODS DISCRETION, some posts may be acted upon if directed at others.



Good thing NSG is not labeled as PG-13, then. Suggestion. Guideline. Look 'em up, HK, those definitions could be useful to you.



No, she really can't. Mostly because she doesn't want to, but partially because her English is just good enough to get around here, but not good enough to make idiomatic and slight distinctions.



I rest my case.



I can't recall who said that "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time is the definition of insanity", but I agree with it. I don't think the person who said it was a qualified psychologist, either.



Good thing we're not in a bar, then?



If it were hypocrisy, you'd have a point.



Then they can bugger off, can't they?



You should leave if you don't think the forum suits your tastes. It doesn't seem to, but it looks as though you'd rather complain about it than take any real action. So we try to point out that you're wrong, dancing around the issue when you're shown to be wrong, and you get all hurt and petulant.

I refuse to answer your remarks and you know pretty well why.

As somebody who has been coming to NSG for many years now, I am fascinated by the suggestion that people curse more than they used to around here. If anything, I've found the forums much tamer of late.

Perhaps this pearl-clutching horror at the decline of polite discourse on NSG is akin to how every elder generation manages to be shocked and dismayed by that terrible noise that the young people are calling "music" nowadays.

I refuse to answer your remarks and you know pretty well why.

Because you're incapable?

Because you're incapable?


I refuse any comments on the subject :)

Perhaps this pearl-clutching horror at the decline of polite discourse on NSG is akin to how every elder generation manages to be shocked and dismayed by that terrible noise that the young people are calling "music" nowadays.

Trouble with young people's music today is that it isn't enough of a terrible noise...it is just all so bland and tasteful.

As somebody who has been coming to NSG for many years now, I am fascinated by the suggestion that people curse more than they used to around here. If anything, I've found the forums much tamer of late.

Perhaps this pearl-clutching horror at the decline of polite discourse on NSG is akin to how every elder generation manages to be shocked and dismayed by that terrible noise that the young people are calling "music" nowadays.

Honestly. NSG is much more restrictive than it once was. HK's objections are pure fantasy.

Honestly. NSG is much more restrictive than it once was. HK's objections are pure fantasy.

No, it's not. It is indeed an opinion, but it is not more or less worth than yours.

It's difficult to back it up but I do remember that people were warned for cursing.

I find the language on NSG fine, even by U.S.-standards.

The problem with trying to maintain a limit on swearing based on one nation's version of an MPAA rating is that other nations and countries do not have the same cultural views. Any attempt to create a hard, fast, and fully written rule would only result in the eventual favoritism of one nationality or cultural group over the others. Instead, by maintaining general guidelines of content, we can all post without worrying about undue censorship.

No, it's not. It is indeed an opinion, but it is not more or less worth than yours.

Its true, kids. An opinion that you can't back up, and which over ninety percent of observers disagree with you on is worth just as much as any other.

No, it's not. It is indeed an opinion, but it is not more or less worth than yours.

What a weird and ridiculous assertion.

If your opinion is one that is unsupported by, or even directly contradicted by, the evidence, then it is definitely worth less than any opinion which is supported by evidence.

In this case, the preponderance of evidence is on the side which concludes that your opinion is wrong. You can, of course, continue to hold as many wrong opinions as you like. I, personally, am of the opinion that broccoli is the beard of Satan, and I hold this opinion despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. However, I'm honest enough to admit that my opinion on that front is wrong.


It's difficult to back it up but I do remember that people were warned for cursing.
It would be very easy for you to back up your opinion, in this case. But if you engaged in honest and meaningful discussion then you wouldn't get nearly so much attention. :D

No, it's not. It is indeed an opinion, but it is not more or less worth than yours.

It's difficult to back it up but I do remember that people were warned for cursing.

It is an opinion that is not supported by the facts of reality. It is almost by definition worth less than my opinion; an opinion solidly supported by actual events. You have every right to hold whatever ludicrous, fantastical opinions you wish, and I have every right to illuminate just how ridiculous they are. Such as the entire premise of this thread.

It seems like it would be extremely easy to back up an assertion that people were warned solely for cursing. So, get on it.

It seems like it would be extremely easy to back up an assertion that people were warned solely for cursing. So, get on it.
Here, let's do his work for him, shall we?

Could anybody who has received a warning exclusively for cursing during 2009 please stand up?

Here, let's do his work for him, shall we?

Could anybody who has received a warning exclusively for cursing during 2009 please stand up?

Yep. Right here.

Here, let's do his work for him, shall we?

Could anybody who has received a warning exclusively for cursing during 2009 please stand up?

I don't think that's what we're looking for here. If I'm not mistaken, the accusation is that previously strict moderation has become lax, so what we're looking for is warnings for cursing in years past, like 2003, 2004, 2005, etc. You know, examples that the PG-13 "rule" (lol) was previously enforced and no longer is.

So, break out those 2003-2007 cursing warnings, HK.

Yes I am. And I believe that the PG13 rule on this board is a good one. Only it is not carried out well.
Mainly because there isn't a PG13 rule, as has been pointed out to you numerous times.

Some swearing should be allowed, I don't advocate a witch hunt on swears. :) But some people use it almost automatically or as the only content of their opinion (aka 'this is shit') without any arguments at all.
And?

Yep. Right here.
Cool, that's one.

If you can find a way to tell us the curses that got you warned, without actually cursing in any way, you get bonus points. :D

I don't think that's what we're looking for here. If I'm not mistaken, the accusation is that previously strict moderation has become lax, so what we're looking for is warnings for cursing in years past, like 2003, 2004, 2005, etc. You know, examples that the PG-13 "rule" (lol) was previously enforced and no longer is.

So, break out those 2003-2007 cursing warnings, HK.
Well, I am personally aware of three individuals who were warned for language during my first year of NSG. (All in the same thread, which is why I remember. :P) So if we can't get three people, then we know he's wrong there.

But in a way I guess you're right, because the warnings I remember were for a type of language that I haven't seen 'round here in ages. That was back in Ye Olden Days Of The Stormfront Influx, when people were particularly creative with racist slurs. So I guess we can't even use my system.

Cool, that's one.

If you can find a way to tell us the curses that got you warned, without actually cursing in any way, you get bonus points. :D

It went something like this:

SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX POO MASTURBATER BOOBSEX FEMALE DOG MOTHERSEXING PROSTITUTEBAG PENIS-SUCKER. Sex.


But with obviously the rude versions of those words.

And here's the actual post: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14683827&postcount=13

Hey now, don't repeat the offense. You don't get bonus points for that.

I have to admit I kinda think that is a weak example, though. I mean, the post that you shared was pretty much fishing for a warning; the cursing was there, I grant you, but I'd wager that the real issue was that the post didn't contain any substance whatsoever, nor serve any purpose other than to provoke somebody. The Mods yell at people for that kind of behavior even if it doesn't contain curse words.

Still, I'd let that example stand on technicality.

And here's the actual post: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14683827&postcount=13

You see, Adu-kun, the thing with that is that the poster in question is too touchy. Many people swear here, and I don't think that post was particularly nasty. You did used a lot of swearin, grante (you English do swear a lot, same as us Spaniards:tongue:), but you weren't cussing the poster out. Not that I can see.

but you weren't cussing the poster out. Not that I can see.

That's what I thought. I just used a lot of swearwords, and went over the top, rather than actually swearing at Behaved. I could have seen a yellow card, yeah, but a red and a 24-hour ban? Bit over the top if you ask me. But then I was deated for uploading a picture of a Disney character, so it's not that surprising.

That's what I thought. I just used a lot of swearwords, and went over the top, rather than actually swearing at Behaved. I could have seen a yellow card, yeah, but a red and a 24-hour ban?

I know what you mean. If addressing a poster is to bring me problems, I usually stir clear of said poster. Ignorance of some people is bliss. Perhaps, as you suggested, the main problem with that post was that you did use a lot of swear words, but you didn't flame Behaved.

Bit over the top if you ask me. But then I was deated for uploading a picture of a Disney character, so it's not that surprising.

*nods*
That surprised me, yes. But I don't tend to go against mod ruling.

Hey now, don't repeat the offense. You don't get bonus points for that.

I have to admit I kinda think that is a weak example, though. I mean, the post that you shared was pretty much fishing for a warning; the cursing was there, I grant you, but I'd wager that the real issue was that the post didn't contain any substance whatsoever, nor serve any purpose other than to provoke somebody. The Mods yell at people for that kind of behavior even if it doesn't contain curse words.

Still, I'd let that example stand on technicality.

Exactly. That post is the very definition of flamebait. If I said in a post that I hated the names of the US states, and you replied to that post with a list of all 50 states, that post serves no purpose except to provoke.

Yes, swearing ought to be allowed, because I talk like Tony Montana unless in polite company, and NSG is certainly not polite company :D

I talk like Tony Montana :D

Al Swearengen here. :D

Yes, swearing ought to be allowed, because I talk like Tony Montana unless in polite company, and NSG is certainly not polite company :D

*is offended*

Yes, swearing ought to be allowed, because I talk like Tony Montana unless in polite company, and NSG is certainly not polite company :D

Ok that makes sense.

It's considered as very polite to adjust yourself to your surroundings. :)

Ok that makes sense.

It's considered as very polite to adjust yourself to your surroundings. :)

So you best start using more obscenities.

So you best start using more fucking obscenities.

Fixed ;)

fuck...this thread is still going? Really?

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sorry, couldn't resist. I'll go hide in hopes that the mods won't notice the quivering ball in the corner...

Wasn't this topic locked just a minute ago?

I refuse to answer your remarks and you know pretty well why.

Yes.

Yes I do.

Swearing is dirty and makes you sound like a bad person. It demonstrates an inability too know what is appropriate. Disorderly conduct, they call it. Are any of you bad people? I don't swear, because I am not a bad person. I have my beliefs and I believe the f word is not PG-13, more like R. The f word is the worst cuss word on Earth. D words are PG-13,though.

Swearing is dirty and makes you sound a bad person. It demonstrates an inability too know what is appropriate. Disorderly conduct, they call it. Are any of you bad people? I don't swear, because I am not a bad person. I have my beliefs and I believe the f word is not PG-13, more like R. The f word is the worst cuss word on Earth. D words are PG-13,though.

I think passing such ridiculous judgement on other people because of the language they use makes you a bad person.

Swearing is dirty and makes you sound a bad person. It demonstrates an inability too know what is appropriate. Disorderly conduct, they call it. Are any of you bad people? I don't swear, because I am not a bad person. I have my beliefs and I believe the f word is not PG-13, more like R. The f word is the worst cuss word on Earth. D words are PG-13,though.

So the C word is not as bad as the F word?

Swearing is just a part of language, can you highlight any other language who's use makes you a bad person?

Are leprechauns adverse to swearing?
Not at all. Just grab one and he'll swear in ways that George Carlin never even thought of. Especially if you try to make him lead you to his gold.
Swearing is dirty and makes you sound a bad person. It demonstrates an inability too know what is appropriate. Disorderly conduct, they call it. Are any of you bad people? I don't swear, because I am not a bad person. I have my beliefs and I believe the f word is not PG-13, more like R. The f word is the worst cuss word on Earth. D words are PG-13,though.

It probably isn't PG-13. But NSG isn't either. We're kinda PG-13. A bit. We don't swear just because we can(well, except in threads like this), but we do because it helps get our point across. I expect most of us could get by without swearing, but its a rather pointless restriction to place on ourselves.

It probably isn't PG-13. But NSG isn't either. We're kinda PG-13. A bit. We don't swear just because we can(well, except in threads like this), but we do because it helps get our point across. I expect most of us could get by without swearing, but its a rather pointless restriction to place on ourselves.

Indeed, a well placed 'fuck' lets everybody know exactly how you feel, and uses less words, and is very eloqent indeed.

Swearing is dirty and makes you sound a bad person.

Even if your best friend has just been shot and you call the killer a bastard?

It demonstrates an inability too know what is appropriate.

Swearing is appropriate in many situations, actually.

Are any of you bad people?

Swearing doesn't make you bad.

The f word is the worst cuss word on Earth.

****'s worse, in my opinion. Fuck is very often justified. Not many situations justify the use of ****.

Swearing is dirty and makes you sound a bad person. It demonstrates an inability too know what is appropriate. Disorderly conduct, they call it. Are any of you bad people? I don't swear, because I am not a bad person. I have my beliefs and I believe the f word is not PG-13, more like R. The f word is the worst cuss word on Earth. D words are PG-13,though.

Behaved, making WTF?! moments all the more sweet.:rolleyes:

Passing judgment like this makes YOU a bad person.

I can't believe this ridiculus thread is still going.

I can't believe this ridiculus thread is still going.

Tis NSG, my esteemed Kentian mate.

Tis NSG, my esteemed Kentian mate.

Kentian huh! Well that be the land of my birth also!

I can't believe this ridiculus thread is still going.

Tell me RoI are you a 'Man of Kent' or a 'Kentish man'? And do you know the differance?

Kentian huh! Well that be the land of my birth also!

Another Kentian man?!:eek2:

Tis NSG, my esteemed Kentian mate.
Ah, well of course. Silly me.
Tell me RoI are you a 'Man of Kent' or a 'Kentish man'? And do you know the differance?
Of course I know the difference, geez.

I'm a Man of Kent. You?
Another Kentian man?!:eek2:

I still keep forgetting Peeps is man.

Ah, well of course. Silly me.

Of course I know the difference, geez.

I'm a Man of Kent. You?


I still keep forgetting Peeps is man.

I'm inclined to refer to you as my Kentian androgynous buddy. And yes, Peeps is a man.

I'm inclined to refer to you as my Kentian androgynous buddy. And yes, Peeps is a man.

I prefer Kentian, it's much better.



Wait- did you just call me a women!?

I prefer Kentian, it's much better.



Wait- did you just call me a women!?

Kentian it is and nope, I did not call you a woman. Androgyny refers to those individuals who can't be defined as either male or female. Androgyny is an aesthetic principle I totally love.

Kentian it is and nope, I did not call you a woman. Androgyny refers to those individuals who can't be defined as either male or female. Androgyny is an aesthetic principle I totally love.

So I'm a he-she?

So I'm a he-she?

<_<
LOL! Not really. You're just you.;)

<_<
LOL! Not really. You're just you.;)

I guess I'll take that as a complement.

I guess I'll take that as a complement.

As well you should. Now, to the swearing.

I was commenting to Galloism that, and this is funny and ridiculous, you can't say shit on TV but cojones (Spanish for "balls", which is immensely vulgar) can be said in TV and on a forum.:rolleyes:

Ah, well of course. Silly me.

Of course I know the difference, geez.

I'm a Man of Kent. You?


I still keep forgetting Peeps is man.

I honestly don't know! You see I can never remember the differance. If I said I was born in Bromley, what
would that make me?

Got it. I my freind am a Kentish man!

So I'm a he-she?

Or a she-he?:D

I honestly don't know! You see I can never remember the differance. If I said I was born in Bromley, what
would that make me?

Got it. I my freind am a Kentish man!

Oh seriously, wtf? I was born in Sidcup! So hail, fellow Kentishman!

And for those of you unsure:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/places/features/images/map_kent.gif

Oh seriously, wtf? I was born in Sidcup! So hail, fellow Kentishman!

And for those of you unsure:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/places/features/images/map_kent.gif

Hey hey!:D

I think what really gets people is the half-bred spam that Hairless Kitten posts. Said individual almost certainly takes it quite seriously, but is so ill reasoned and less than rational, it's hard for other posters to know for sure whether they're springing into a joke thread, or a serious thread. The classic example being the Britney Spears thread where Hairless made a claim about the respectable American media, and linked to a youtube video of the actual event. Then, upon demand of respectable American media, Hairless linked to a Dutch newspaper, under the argument "if they're doing it here, then they're definitely doing it in America, and anyways, I don't read American newspapers, and I don't actually know if this is actually happening." When people got frustrated and started swearing, Hairless ran away, and eventually returned a few hours later with links to gossip web sites (at least they were American media, even if not respectable in the slightest) to finally finish up the long odyssey of Britney Spears. Needless to say, this inspired frustrated cursing at an OP that made a claim about the moronic, troglodytic nature of American's and their media and how Europeans were far superior because they are fanzy, or somesuch, and how Americans should become fanzy too.

Just like in this thread. Hairless here is prattling on about swearing, with a bug up their tokhes because people lost patience in every Hairless started thread. Endless moralizing, it's kind of sickening.

So the C word is not as bad as the F word?


What about singing? If I sing the F word on a C does that become a chord?

What about singing? If I sing the F word on a C does that become a chord?

Hehheh You sing it and I'll play it!

Swearing is dirty and makes you sound [like] a bad person.

(edit mine) So does bad grammar.

It demonstrates an inability too know what is appropriate.

If done to the exclusion of all other words with no sign of duress, I would agree. I would still not consider the person bad, though. That's not my call to make. Nor is it yours.

Disorderly conduct, they call it.

Uh, no. Not unless the swearing is belligerent and intended to inconvenience or deliberately bother others in a public place. Overreact much?

Are any of you bad people? I don't swear, because I am not a bad person.

Yes you are. Bad people judge others on superficial things like language use out of context. Bad people use bad logic to justify hypocrisy and elitism.

I have my beliefs and I believe the f word is not PG-13, more like R.

And you're welcome to your beliefs, just as we are welcome to subject them to ridicule for being needlessly judgmental and utterly inane.

The f word is the worst cuss word on Earth.

And this is my proof.

D words are PG-13,though.

Dingleberries?

I was commenting to Galloism that, and this is funny and ridiculous, you can't say shit on TV but cojones (Spanish for "balls", which is immensely vulgar) can be said in TV and on a forum.:rolleyes:

Ah, the hypocrisy of linguistic ethnocentrism. Swearing is okay, and even "funny" if done in a language the majority doesn't speak. Many people who swear in other languages are like little kids who discoever swearing as a concept for the first time, and use it because the reactions of adults are so amusing. That's heedless of the speakers of the foreign language who may be very offended by words considered very vulgar in that language.

It shows a remarkable lack of consideration paired with very elitist, if not actually racist, background thinking. As in "oh, I don't really know what it means, but it's not 'fuck', so it must be okay." :rolleyes:

What about singing? If I sing the F word on a C does that become a chord?

Only if there's an A-hole between you. ;)

I think what really gets people is the half-bred spam that Hairless Kitten posts. Said individual almost certainly takes it quite seriously, but is so ill reasoned and less than rational, it's hard for other posters to know for sure whether they're springing into a joke thread, or a serious thread. The classic example being the Britney Spears thread where Hairless made a claim about the respectable American media, and linked to a youtube video of the actual event. Then, upon demand of respectable American media, Hairless linked to a Dutch newspaper, under the argument "if they're doing it here, then they're definitely doing it in America, and anyways, I don't read American newspapers, and I don't actually know if this is actually happening." When people got frustrated and started swearing, Hairless ran away, and eventually returned a few hours later with links to gossip web sites (at least they were American media, even if not respectable in the slightest) to finally finish up the long odyssey of Britney Spears. Needless to say, this inspired frustrated cursing at an OP that made a claim about the moronic, troglodytic nature of American's and their media and how Europeans were far superior because they are fanzy, or somesuch, and how Americans should become fanzy too.

Just like in this thread. Hairless here is prattling on about swearing, with a bug up their tokhes because people lost patience in every Hairless started thread. Endless moralizing, it's kind of sickening.

Darts in the bullseye. Well said.

I can't believe this ridiculus thread is still going.
If you think it needs to be locked post in moderation. MEOW!

If you think it needs to be locked post in moderation. MEOW!

That's not what Ring said. He said he couldn't believe it was still going. That means that he can't believe that people like you, despite being way off base, are still trying to make the case for censorship and still believe that you're somehow better than someone who drops an "f-bomb" now and again.

You're the one with the problem. YOU need to go to Moderation.

I honestly don't know! You see I can never remember the differance. If I said I was born in Bromley, what
would that make me?

Got it. I my freind am a Kentish man!

Oh seriously, wtf? I was born in Sidcup! So hail, fellow Kentishman!

And for those of you unsure:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/places/features/images/map_kent.gif

I had no idea there were so many Kentians on NSG.

That's not what Ring said. He said he couldn't believe it was still going. That means that he can't believe that people like you, despite being way off base, are still trying to make the case for censorship and still believe that you're somehow better than someone who drops an "f-bomb" now and again.

You're the one with the problem. YOU need to go to Moderation.

Indeed, Behaved if you want it locked-ask.

[QUOTE=Intangelon;14791204]

Dingleberries? No, for example darn unless used for what you sometimes do to your holey socks or the first part of damnnation. when used as a stand alone, in certain contexts.


[QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Intangelon;14791204]

Dingleberries? No, for example darn unless used for what you sometimes do to your holey socks or the first part of damnnation. when used as a stand alone, in certain contexts.




Did you just sensor someone?

Did you just sensor someone?

Censor? No. I think he just messed up the quoting. The slash is how you close a quote, not the other way 'round.

No, for example darn unless used for what you sometimes do to your holey socks or the first part of damnnation. when used as a stand alone, in certain contexts.

*sigh*

Those aren't even PG-13.

And your petty, judgmental finger wagging is just plain childish.

Did you just sensor someone?

Sensoring swearwords? Use a sweardar.

Sensoring swearwords? Use a sweardar.

Blue shifted, I assume?

So I'm a he-she?

Maybe... :p

Dingleberries? No, for example darn unless used for what you sometimes do to your holey socks or the first part of damnnation. when used as a stand alone, in certain contexts.

god fucking damn it, behaved, learn how to use the quote buttons...

So being judgmental makes you a better person?

I had no idea there were so many Kentians on NSG.


I'm from Kent too :)

Although, it's a different Kent :(

And I'm not really from there, I just spent much of my time of my formative years there. :(

But, that's probably a good thing, given that it is Kent, Ohio :)

Home of Kent State University :)

I'm from Kent too :)

Although, it's a different Kent :(

And I'm not really from there, I just spent much of my time of my formative years there. :(

But, that's probably a good thing, given that it is Kent, Ohio :)

Home of Kent State University :)

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=kent+washington&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=AGgMSufSEIyQtAPIlOHrAg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1

Kent, WA. Home of Wizards of the Coast.

The original, the best.

(edit mine) So does bad grammar.



If done to the exclusion of all other words with no sign of duress, I would agree. I would still not consider the person bad, though. That's not my call to make. Nor is it yours.



Uh, no. Not unless the swearing is belligerent and intended to inconvenience or deliberately bother others in a public place. Overreact much?



Yes you are. Bad people judge others on superficial things like language use out of context. Bad people use bad logic to justify hypocrisy and elitism.



And you're welcome to your beliefs, just as we are welcome to subject them to ridicule for being needlessly judgmental and utterly inane.



And this is my proof.



Dingleberries?



Ah, the hypocrisy of linguistic ethnocentrism. Swearing is okay, and even "funny" if done in a language the majority doesn't speak. Many people who swear in other languages are like little kids who discoever swearing as a concept for the first time, and use it because the reactions of adults are so amusing. That's heedless of the speakers of the foreign language who may be very offended by words considered very vulgar in that language.

It shows a remarkable lack of consideration paired with very elitist, if not actually racist, background thinking. As in "oh, I don't really know what it means, but it's not 'fuck', so it must be okay." :rolleyes:

Nanatsu say:

You sir, have hit the nail on the head with this one. I thank you for it, and you have my standing ovation. :fluffle:

I think what really gets people is the half-bred spam that Hairless Kitten posts. Said individual almost certainly takes it quite seriously, but is so ill reasoned and less than rational, it's hard for other posters to know for sure whether they're springing into a joke thread, or a serious thread. The classic example being the Britney Spears thread where Hairless made a claim about the respectable American media, and linked to a youtube video of the actual event. Then, upon demand of respectable American media, Hairless linked to a Dutch newspaper, under the argument "if they're doing it here, then they're definitely doing it in America, and anyways, I don't read American newspapers, and I don't actually know if this is actually happening." When people got frustrated and started swearing, Hairless ran away, and eventually returned a few hours later with links to gossip web sites (at least they were American media, even if not respectable in the slightest) to finally finish up the long odyssey of Britney Spears. Needless to say, this inspired frustrated cursing at an OP that made a claim about the moronic, troglodytic nature of American's and their media and how Europeans were far superior because they are fanzy, or somesuch, and how Americans should become fanzy too.

Just like in this thread. Hairless here is prattling on about swearing, with a bug up their tokhes because people lost patience in every Hairless started thread. Endless moralizing, it's kind of sickening.

This thread is not about the Britney post, go to it, reread the ENTIRE thread and then you'll understand why your statements are false.

If you think it is spam then go to the mods.

If it is making you sick, then why bother reading and contributing to this post?

On NS I see countless subjects which are not in the field of my interest. I don't read them and do not post inside. It's a waste of time.

Nanatsu say:

You sir, have hit the nail on the head with this one. I thank you for it, and you have my standing ovation. :fluffle:

:fluffle:

I just call 'em as I see 'em, sweetness.

This thread is not about the Britney post, go to it, reread the ENTIRE thread and then you'll understand why your statements are false.

If you think it is spam then go to the mods.

If it is making you sick, then why bother reading and contributing to this post?

On NS I see countless subjects which are not in the field of my interest. I don't read them and do not post inside. It's a waste of time.

*applauds*

Another amazing deflection!

HK, why are you still here? I seem to recall you crying mod persecution a few months ago and declaring you were done with NSG forever.

Yet here you are, still trolling.

god fucking damn it, behaved, learn how to use the quote buttons...

So being judgmental makes you a better person?
I was just quoting part of it. I do ok with full message quoting. I'm not stupid, even if I am crazy.

I was just quoting part of it. I do ok with full message quoting. I'm not stupid, even if I am crazy.

I was just razzing you a bit, no worries... All you did was forget to put the "/" before "QUOTE" in the second bb-code box, we all do it on occaission

I was just razzing you a bit, no worries... All you did was forget to put the "/" before "QUOTE" in the second bb-code box, we all do it on occaission

I know, it's fucking annoying.

Not as annoying as the quoting system on the new forum.

Behaved, you never answered my question.

I know, it's fucking annoying.

Not as annoying as the quoting system on the new forum.

I really haven't tried that out yet... Is it that bad?

I really haven't tried that out yet... Is it that bad?

The forum as a whole or the quoting system?

The forum as a whole or the quoting system?

LOL, the quoting system...

As to the forum in general, I know it's ugly as hell....

LOL, the quoting system...
If you quote someone like I just did to your post, it would then show my post that you quote, and then it would show your post again, and so on. But, you can't have more than three within one another, making you delete some. Hard to explain.
As to the forum in general, I know it's ugly as hell....

Yeah, and the people, not so much.

Behaved, you never answered my question.
It isn't worth answering. Why do you care? You don't like me.

It isn't worth answering. Why do you care? You don't like me.

So? No one likes him. :wink:

Don't take the internet seriously.

I've posted on a few forums with automatic word filters. You know, turning things like ass to bum etc. The weirdest one was filtering the word 'poon'. So you couldn't even spell 'spoon'.

It seems enormously childish to enact that sort of censorship on a forum like this. It is particularly amusing to see a known troll complaining about swearing when being ridiculous is much more of a problem than profanity.

I've posted on a few forums with automatic word filters. You know, turning things like ass to bum etc. The weirdest one was filtering the word 'poon'. So you couldn't even spell 'spoon'.

It seems enormously childish to enact that sort of censorship on a forum like this. It is particularly amusing to see a known troll complaining about swearing when being ridiculous is much more of a problem than profanity.

How do they do that? That's crazy.

The world filter can be fun though...on UMP we changed 'Canada' to 'Ameria's hat' and dude became 'end user' etc. Drove certain people nuts :D

The world filter can be fun though...on UMP we changed 'Canada' to 'Ameria's hat' and dude became 'end user' etc. Drove certain people nuts :D

Oh, that's awesome, I wish I'd seen that.

HK, why are you still here? I seem to recall you crying mod persecution a few months ago and declaring you were done with NSG forever.

Yet here you are, still trolling.

We didn't use Acid. :(

It isn't worth answering. Why do you care? You don't like me.

Wtf? What does me liking you or not have to do the question? Why do you consider the word fuck to be worse than the word ****?

HK, why are you still here? I seem to recall you crying mod persecution a few months ago and declaring you were done with NSG forever.

Yet here you are, still trolling.

You are a liar. I said I wouldn't come back soon, which I didn't.

If you think I'm trolling, you should visit the mods. Trolling is like swearing not allowed on this board.

Trolling is not like swearing; not allowed on this board.

Fixed

I'm boring

Fixed too.

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I'm a judgmental piece of shit.

Yes, yes you are. Oh wait, changing people's post in quote marks to make them look like retards has fuck all to do with the thread. My mistake.

You are a liar. I said I wouldn't come back soon, which I didn't.

If you think I'm trolling, you should visit the mods. Trolling is like swearing not allowed on this board.

1) You are illiterate and thus incapable of reading the dozens of posts on this thread that have pointed out that PG-13 is used by the mods as only a very general guideline for their decisions rather than as a binding rule, and that swearing is therefore NOT banned.

2) You are deliberately flamebaiting by pretending to be an idiot.

Pick one of the above.

I'm a judgmental piece of shit.

Yes, yes you are. Oh wait, changing people's post in quote marks to make them look like retards has fuck all to do with the thread. My mistake.

This is a personal insult.

1) You are illiterate and thus incapable of reading the dozens of posts on this thread that have pointed out that PG-13 is used by the mods as only a very general guideline for their decisions rather than as a binding rule, and that swearing is therefore NOT banned.

2) You are deliberately flamebaiting by pretending to be an idiot.

Pick one of the above.

None of the above.

None of the above.

Its one or the other. There is no other explanation for your logic-defying failure at basic reading comprehension.

Its one or the other. There is no other explanation for your logic-defying failure at basic reading comprehension.

He/she's Dutch, so that gives them a bit of leeway on the reading comprehension thing.

Its one or the other. There is no other explanation for your logic-defying failure at basic reading comprehension.

It's not on you to decide about my logics. You're not qualified.

And thank you for sharing my opinion about all. Since you're not fighting my arguments, but just my personality, I can conclude you are sharing my mind.

He/she's Dutch, so that gives them a bit of leeway on the reading comprehension thing.

Not when its been restated about twenty times by about five different people.

This thread's kind of fallen apart.

He/she's Dutch, so that gives them a bit of leeway on the reading comprehension thing.

Calling me a he/she is a personal insult.

Calling me a he/she is a personal insult.

No, it's not. The slash means "or", by he/she I mean he or she. Understand now?

No, it's not. The slash means "or", by he/she I mean he or she. Understand now?

No, I am rather dumb. Explain it me one more time

You're not qualified.


lol wut

Calling me a he/she is a personal insult.

No it isn't.

Calling me a he/she is a personal insult.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b49/neosimkin/rofl.png

It's not on you to decide about my logics. You're not qualified.

Well, people have repeatedly given you the reason why you're wrong. Either you can't read or you're flamebaiting by ignoring and failing to engage with the argument. Its doesn't require complex logic to work this out.

And thank you for sharing my opinion about all. Since you're not fighting my arguments, but just my personality, I can conclude you are sharing my mind.

You don't have an argument, since its been pointed out you are factually wrong. Pointing that out and that you must be incapable of reading and understanding other people's posts, or be deliberately flamebaiting, not to have accepted this yet does not require personality analysis. Its a simple fact.

Pure. Comedy. Gold.