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We all know that Conspiracy Theories are out there, and they seem to be based on subjective evidence at best. However, which Conspiracy Theory out there is most believable?

My vote goes to the Majestic Twelve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_12) Conspiracy. MJ12 is basically a government committee that was formed after the Roswell crash to investigate claims of UFO and to cover them up. I could actually see the government creating such a committee, to either actually investigate UFO claims, (See Project Blue Book) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book) or to fan the flame of UFO paranoia to cover up such clandestine aircraft such as the U-2 aircraft, SR-71, F-117 Nighthawk.

Discuss.

Kennedy cover-up has the most evidence (out of all the major ones) in its favor.

You mean the Jews really don't rule washington/hollywood/new york/the world?

*mind blown*

My vote still goes towards the Aum Shinrikyo cult developing a Tesla earthquake weapon and touching one off in Japan. That's a pretty good one as far as they go.

Warren G Harding being a secret Negro President.

Warren G Harding being a secret Negro President.

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/3/3b/Warren_g.jpg

Chemtrails.

Chemtrails.

*gets out baseball bat*, chem what?

You guys remember TRA/MKULTRA/Skapedroe's theory of how the dinosaurs all died out?

Wow, wave of nostalgia.

You guys remember TRA/MKULTRA/Skapedroe's theory of how the dinosaurs all died out?

Wow, wave of nostalgia.

Enlighten us. :tongue:

That Osama bin Laden was the man behind the 9/11 attacks.

Clothes and modesty are a conspiracy. An evil plan to keep me from seeing naked women anywhere I want.

You guys remember TRA/MKULTRA/Skapedroe's theory of how the dinosaurs all died out?

Wow, wave of nostalgia.That was good, but it can't compare to the Space Jew (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437373).

My favorite one is the good ol standby, the Earth is flat (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=1778e70757cfde483761ed852c6401cd&topic=13876.0) and the governments of the world are covering it up. And don't forget the ice-wall. God help you if you forget the ice-wall.

That was good, but it can't compare to the Space Jew (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437373).

Wow, that was a trip down memory lane.

well yeah okay maybe some of that was me... with the goosestepping and the window breaking and the graffitti and the moderately severe thuggery... but how else can we struggle against the space jews and their earthly minions... the jews(well actually the jews, the welsh and to a lesser extent the walloons, but lets not confuse things).

Oh lawd.

The one about the banks controlling everything.

The one about the banks controlling everything.

Didn't that turn out to be true?

That in the 20s marijuana was made illegal in the USA to force out the Mexican hemp market in favour of American cotton/paper. This is quite likely the most probable conspiracy theory.

Kennedy cover-up has the most evidence (out of all the major ones) in its favor.
Really? That demo with the honeydew wrapped in tape seemed to debunk the whole the second-shooter theory. And if you want to argue that Oswald didn't act alone then I'd like to see some evidence of that. And no, getting shot doesn't count. Maybe it was part of an elaborate plot to steal the Jack Ruby.

What's the most convincing conspiracy theory? That Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols planned and executed the bombings of the federal building on Oklahoma City.

I find that one pretty believable.

Kennedy cover-up has the most evidence (out of all the major ones) in its favor.

The Comedian did it.

Plenty of them in Chalmers Johnson's books. And a screwed up American economy to back up his theories.

The Comedian did it.

*arrest LG for the assassination of Kennedy*

Most believable to me is that Conservative Political Parties all over the world are deliberately sewing stupidity, starting wars, and forcing reliance on fossil fuels to bring about some ideal of the end of days because they believe a magic man in the sky wills it to happen and they will all be rescued from the bad things that will happen by something called "Rapture".

Most believable to me is that Conservative Political Parties all over the world are deliberately sewing stupidity, starting wars, and forcing reliance on fossil fuels to bring about some ideal of the end of days because they believe a magic man in the sky wills it to happen and they will all be rescued from the bad things that will happen by something called "Rapture".

Ragnarök (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar%C3%B6k) pwns The Biblical Rapture.

Ragnarök (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar%C3%B6k) pwns The Biblical Rapture.

Yep, nothing beats Thor fighting a giant Snake.

Ragnarök (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar%C3%B6k) pwns The Biblical Rapture.

because even if it is a fight I will lose fighting makes me feel better.

Really? That demo with the honeydew wrapped in tape seemed to debunk the whole the second-shooter theory. And if you want to argue that Oswald didn't act alone then I'd like to see some evidence of that. And no, getting shot doesn't count. Maybe it was part of an elaborate plot to steal the Jack Ruby.

If you did not like my choice, name a more plausible major conspiracy theory.

because even if it is a fight I will lose fighting makes me feel better.

Well to be fair, The Biblical Rapture has fighting too.

Kennedy cover-up has the most evidence (out of all the major ones) in its favor.

The real assassin wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald.

http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/4-22-09/darrenjames140.jpg

J. F. K. - that I'm familiar with and doesn't cause me to cower in fear.

That Russia has never actually existed, and if you try to fly a plane over where it should be you fall through a hole in time-space and get eaten by giant alien woodlice.

That the moon was put there by aliens because........ because....... I forget why.

That in the 20s marijuana was made illegal in the USA to force out the Mexican hemp market in favour of American cotton/paper. This is quite likely the most probable conspiracy theory.
This, probably.
That the moon was put there by aliens because........ because....... I forget why.

As an incubator for all life on earth.

This, probably.


As an incubator for all life on earth.

BWahahahahahahah! No wait, hasn't that been proved to be true? Summit about some strange kinda maths!:D

The most believable one? That Gore won Florida and therefore the US.

...whaddya mean that things don't qualify as conspiracy theories if they're actually true? :p

BWahahahahahahah! No wait, hasn't that been proved to be true? Summit about some strange kinda maths!:D

Yeah. Valen-whatever assured us that he had proven everything, but never got around to actually showing us his proof.

Yeah. Valen-whatever assured us that he had proven everything, but never got around to actually showing us his proof.

Ahh yes you are correct.

That Tony Blair is an agent of the intelligence services, and that he reported on CND and Trotskyists in the Labour party in the 1980s, before taking leadership of the party and steering it away from socialism to make it 'safe' for the elites.

That a smal group of extremely wealthy people run everything important.

The British and Jews run the world :D

That Russia has never actually existed, and if you try to fly a plane over where it should be you fall through a hole in time-space and get eaten by giant alien woodlice.

Langoliers?

The most believable one? That Gore won Florida and therefore the US.

...whaddya mean that things don't qualify as conspiracy theories if they're actually true? :p

Actually, they do. Sure, "conspiracy theory" has the connotation of craziness, but technically, that's not a necessary part. The official 9/11 story is a conspiracy theory, because it posits that a group of people conspired to attack the U.S.

So, I'll say the most believable conspiracy theory is that a bunch of Roman senators conspired to murder Gaius Julius Caesar.

Actually, they do. Sure, "conspiracy theory" has the connotation of craziness, but technically, that's not a necessary part. The official 9/11 story is a conspiracy theory, because it posits that a group of people conspired to attack the U.S.

So, I'll say the most believable conspiracy theory is that a bunch of Roman senators conspired to murder Gaius Julius Caesar.

I called that in the first page.

Any JFK theory which blames a foreign power. Forget the gunman on the grassy knoll - what I would find plausible is a theory that Lee Harvey Oswalt worked for the KGB, or maybe Cuba. He did live in the Soviet Union for a while...

As per usual, cock up before conspiracy is the rule.

That being said...


You guys remember TRA/MKULTRA/Skapedroe's theory of how the dinosaurs all died out?

Wow, wave of nostalgia.

Heh. I always liked his theory that, as his daddy told him, the US governmrnt worked just like as seen on the Soparanos TV show....

That in the 20s marijuana was made illegal in the USA to force out the Mexican hemp market in favour of American cotton/paper. This is quite likely the most probable conspiracy theory

With opiates and coca products havingf been banned on very similar grounds to cannabis - damned dirty chinks, niggers, and spics! - that specific argument is suspect...

The twin towers and tower 7 were strapped with explosives.

Also the JFK assassination.

Any JFK theory which blames a foreign power. Forget the gunman on the grassy knoll - what I would find plausible is a theory that Lee Harvey Oswalt worked for the KGB, or maybe Cuba. He did live in the Soviet Union for a while...

That does not make any sense, since Khrushchev personally said Kennedy's Presidency was good for the Soviet Union.

The most believable one? That Gore won Florida and therefore the US.

Once again, he didn't win the Electoral College, which is the only vote that actually matters.

So sorry, when you do vote on Election day, you're just taking a poll, that's it.

JFK - the secret societies speech has convinced me.

and of course any good NS Mod Conspiracy theories that are out there...

Once again, he didn't win the Electoral College, which is the only vote that actually matters.

So sorry, when you do vote on Election day, you're just taking a poll, that's it.
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Like J. Q. Adams or Hayes - oh, the horror of the American Voting System! Funny thing is, the electoral college was designed as a failsafe against dreadful presidents....

http://harpervalley.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/_george-bush.jpg

The most likely one (apart from the actual known ones, like Neo's example) is that Nazis are responsible for the burning of the Reichstag fire, if I think about it, but that's not too significant.

That a small group of extremely wealthy people run everything important.

This one. Incidentally, has anyone here read Foucault's Pendulum? That has a pretty good overview of conspiracy theories.

You mean beyond the one's already accepted as historical fact (ie, CIA mind control experiments, government lies pre-Iraq)? I'd say among major political conspiricies the 2000/2004 electoral fraud claims. The Kenedy assassination maybe. Alien related coverups depending on the version in question.

That a smal group of extremely wealthy people run everything important.

Actually, at least in the US and most of the industrial, Western democracies, you'll find that the folks who actually run the system are those who comprise the large middle-body of the bureaucracy. Fortunately, we're so diffuse that we really can't form a coherent set of policy goals, other than to keep our jobs, to menace the populace with red tape, and generally create just enough inefficiency to bother you and make us necessary, but not enough for you folks to actually do anything about it.

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Like J. Q. Adams or Hayes - oh, the horror of the American Voting System! Funny thing is, the electoral college was designed as a failsafe against dreadful presidents....

That's why we don't have President Gore. The system works!

That's why we don't have President Gore. The system works!
Nah, if the system worked, Calvin Coolidge would rise from his grave.

"Keep cool... And keep Coolidge cool... Zombie decompose fast in heat..."

Once again, he didn't win the Electoral College, which is the only vote that actually matters.
He ought to have won it. In fact, I think the case can be successfully made that numerous state and/or federal laws were violated in order to illegitimately certify George W. Bush.

Bush v. Gore was an atrocity of an opinion, and the Florida state government's behavior during the entire debacle was despicable. Final evidence showed that if the state of Florida had ever carried out a complete and consistent count of all the votes, Gore won Florida and with that, Bush's panel of electors should not have even been sent there.

Frankly, if a state is decided by a narrow razor-thin margin, and said state's apparatus deliberately drags its feet to avoid completing a recount that its governor's brother is likely to lose on time, that state should be told that its electors won't be seated until it stops fucking up and completes a fair and full recount. Not receive a pat on the back and a "Good job, mate" from the Supreme court.

That's why we don't have President Gore. The system works!
President Bush stands ready to go down in history as possibly the worst eight-year president in the history of the system.

I am quite confident Gore would have done a better job than that.

President Bush stands ready to go down in history as possibly the worst eight-year president in the history of the system.

I am quite confident Gore would have done a better job than that.

Gore would have killed the economy to be in line with Kyoto, no other Industrialized country meet the requirements, other than Russia, which was because they had a complete meltdown of their industrial sector and had lost most of it to its break away states. He would have butchered the economy.

Gore would have killed the economy to be in line with Kyoto, no other Industrialized country meet the requirements, other than Russia, which was because they had a complete meltdown of their industrial sector and had lost most of it to its break away states. He would have butchered the economy.Oh, thank goodness Bush was president instead, because I would have hated to see the economy go down the tubes.


Wait a second...

Oh, thank goodness Bush was president instead, because I would have hated to see the economy go down the tubes.


Wait a second...

Having 6 years of a stable economy is better than Gores 100 days economic suicide.

Having 6 years of a stable economy is better than Gores 100 days economic suicide.Evidence that the economy would have collapsed 100 days into Gore's administration? That's right, you don't have any, because you can't have any, because it's a meaningless 'what if.' Don't pretend to know how things would have turned out.

Gore would have killed the economy to be in line with Kyoto, no other Industrialized country meet the requirements, other than Russia, which was because they had a complete meltdown of their industrial sector and had lost most of it to its break away states. He would have butchered the economy.
From the DOE:

All the studies project irreducible losses to the economy that are small (less than 1 percent of GDP in 2010 and 2020) in absolute magnitude—between $32 billion and $62 billion in 2010 and between $46 billion and $102 billion in 2020. The wider differences in 2020 reflect the different perspectives on production losses to the economy associated with forced reductions in fossil fuel energy use.

DOEs highest "actual" estimates for cumulative loss due to implementing Kyoto? Much less than the actual cost of cost of waging an ~8 year war in Iraq: $3 trillion. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html)

Estimated long term cost of runaway global warming? 9 trillion.

Ok guys, this thread is about Conspiracy Theories, not about who sucks more, Gore or Bush. If you want to talk about it, make another thread.

I read a book by a forensic pathologist once and he said the Kennedy autopsy was flubbed from a forensic stand point, that evidence was missing, that the car was cleaned before it was photographed and all kinds of missteps and such that made me kinda question whether the people then were really so incompetent or if something was covered up.

Ok guys, this thread is about Conspiracy Theories, not about who sucks more, Gore or Bush. If you want to talk about it, make another thread.
Fair enough. Could we get a split? I'm up for a nice long talk on the topic.

Clothes and modesty are a conspiracy. An evil plan to keep me from seeing naked women anywhere I want.

This is a little short-sighted, for two reasons:

1. Nakedness removes the element of mystery.

2. Would you want the image of someone like Rosie O'Donell burned into your memory?

You guys remember TRA/MKULTRA/Skapedroe's theory of how the dinosaurs all died out?

Wow, wave of nostalgia.
Oh yes, a wave like amber grain!
*salutes*
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_M0cuxJsSjdU/R970omiLUMI/AAAAAAAAC84/FiRDLOkyDl0/s400/funny-pictures-vulcan-rat.jpg

2. Would you want the image of someone like Rosie O'Donell burned into your memory?Right there with the hot-tub scene with Kathy Bates and Jack Nicholson.
Mmmmm.

Most believable to me is that Conservative Political Parties all over the world are deliberately sewing stupidity, starting wars, and forcing reliance on fossil fuels to bring about some ideal of the end of days because they believe a magic man in the sky wills it to happen and they will all be rescued from the bad things that will happen by something called "Rapture".

This is a keeper.
There are a few keepers on this thread, but this one certainly ranks high for consideration.

That the moon was put there by aliens because........ because....... I forget why.
Exactly. :wink:

I read a book by a forensic pathologist once and he said the Kennedy autopsy was flubbed from a forensic stand point, that evidence was missing, that the car was cleaned before it was photographed and all kinds of missteps and such that made me kinda question whether the people then were really so incompetent or if something was covered up.

Wasn't that pretty much standard for the early sixties.

Kennedy cover-up has the most evidence (out of all the major ones) in its favor.

I have to agree with you on this.

Most Believable Conspiracy Theory?

That Santa Claus is real. It surely impacted my life for years. :)

Wasn't that pretty much standard for the early sixties.

Well, forgetting that the secret service broke protocol, they knew in the early 60's to take crime scene photos before the crime scene was scrubbed clean and they knew how to do an autopsy......according to this doctor who was actually a witness in the Warren commission the autopsy wasn't only flubbed from a forensic standpoint, it just wasn't done properly at all. He saw all the evidence, well, what was left.......and didn't believe the "story" coming from Washington.

Like I said, I haven't been an avid researcher so all I know is what I read, and the guy presented enough of a case that I was kinda doubting.

In my opinion, figuring out exactly who shot JFK is only important if we're trying to trace the gunman back to whoever ordered the hit. For now, the more interesting discussion is, "Who would have assassinated JFK?"

I think I'll start another thread.

Gore would have killed the economy to be in line with Kyoto, no other Industrialized country meet the requirements, other than Russia, which was because they had a complete meltdown of their industrial sector and had lost most of it to its break away states. He would have butchered the economy.

Funny, no Gore - yet the economy is still butchered... huh, who would have thunk.

*Resists the urge to post another semi-hilarious picture of Bush making a fool of himself*

Isn't having 'the most believable conspiracy theory' kind of like 'being the smartest retard in the home'?

I don't about most believable, but my favorite is the David Ickes Reptilian Overlords Theory. You get aliens, secret political cabals, secret ruling families, pseudo-historical references, and mind-control. It's all the classic conpiracy theory nuttiness in one spot, it's the Wal-Mart of crazy.

As for conspiracy theories, I think people like them because it's easier to think that bad things are the result of a small group of men in some smoke-filled room somewhere than it is to think that ordinary people just like us can be stupid or venal or greedy. Because if ordinary people can behave like that, what does that say about me? Most people don't like to be that introspective, or that honest with themselves.