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In New South Wales, family groups are outraged at a book that dares to *gasp* teach kids that there are all kinds of family, and that homosexual families exist.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25424795-953,00.html

How dare they suggest to children that some people have 2 mummies or 2 daddies? Next thing you know, they'll actually want to treat gays like people.

Honestly, why can't people leave their own views out of it? If you don't like the book, or don't want it to be taught to your children, don't buy it for them, or read it to them. Simple.

OH GOD!!! I CAN SEE IT!!1

THE NUCLEAR FAMILY ACROSS THE STREAT JUST WENT OFF!!! THE RADIATION O THe HUMANITY!!1

OBAMA WGHY, WHGY OBAMA!!!!!!

But I have two daddies!

(one of them is my stepfather)

Yes, the horror...soon they will also tell the kids that God might not exist and that you don't really need to marry before you have sex. Think of the Children!

They should go write a book about their outrage.....Oh wait....Somehow this all seems like I've done this before...

Uh oh. If this book is allowed continued publishing, Australia will degenerate into a patchwork of savage homosexual tribes before the end of the next decade.

It gets even worse if you read the comments of the articles... :$

I don't know, should a book that "includes in-depth descriptions of sexual intercourse" really be described as "suitable to be read to two-year-olds"? Maybe I'm the backwards one here, but I'm pretty sure that could wait a couple years.

Also, I didn't really notice any 'outrage' there in the article. Yeah, there were some (from my point of view, understandable)objections, but the one quote they published objecting seemed to be delivered in a fairly non-wild eyed, slavering-free manner.

I understand the issue is more about bringing it in when they are 2.

After all when I was two these sort of differences were never taught to us.

Regardess their fears are unfounded the book talks that some may have one father or one mother or one of each or two fathers or two mothers. Rather than promoting these types of families.

Actually the question is should parents have some say when they feel their children are ready to hear about this.

Is a two year old really going to take sperm donation in?

Actually the question is should parents have some say when they feel their children are ready to hear about this.

Is a two year old really going to take sperm donation in?

As it's not part of the curriculum I imagine parents all over australia most certainly have the choice as to when their children are ready to hear about it. I think they're just unhappy that other parents may decide otherwise about their own.

OBAMA WGHY, WHGY OBAMA!!!!!!
Obama is the God King of the United States, this event is happening in the wretched tribal landscape of Australia, so holding Obama responsible is a bit of a stretch. Instead, blame should be heaped upon whatever cannibal chief, warlord or PE teacher has most recently ascended to power in this "New South Wales."
Why the Hell is it New South Wales anyway? What is so terrible about the north part of Wales (that isn't also terrible about the south part), that they felt the need to say, "Yeah, we're not a newer version of those guys."

What so terrible about the north part of Wales (that isn't also terrible about the south part), that they felt the need to say, "Yeah, we're not a newer version of those guys."

In the north of Wales, they fuck sheep, in southern Wales, they make love to sheep, see the difference? It's in the approach, and nobody wants to be associated with sheep-fuckers, now, do they?

I don't know, should a book that "includes in-depth descriptions of sexual intercourse" really be described as "suitable to be read to two-year-olds"? Maybe I'm the backwards one here, but I'm pretty sure that could wait a couple years.



The ages mentioned in the article are 2 to 12. My understanding is that the book can be read in stages, or at an age between that range that you feel is appropriate.

In our ever-diversifying society, I think books like this will be an important tool for me as a parent when my hypothetical daughter comes home and asks why little Janie has 2 mummies and no daddy and she has one of each.

I don't know, should a book that "includes in-depth descriptions of sexual intercourse" really be described as "suitable to be read to two-year-olds"? Maybe I'm the backwards one here, but I'm pretty sure that could wait a couple years.
Our totally non-profit grassroots organization, Pimping Industry Association of America, expects good returns on the policy.

Half the age, twice the price.

It gets even worse if you read the comments of the articles... :$

Someone should ask those people if they're also opposed to the idea of children learning the contents of a book that "promotes" polygamy.

You know what book I mean ;) .

The ages mentioned in the article are 2 to 12. My understanding is that the book can be read in stages, or at an age between that range that you feel is appropriate.

In our ever-diversifying society, I think books like this will be an important tool for me as a parent when my hypothetical daughter comes home and asks why little Janie has 2 mummies and no daddy and she has one of each.

Now, that's not the way to make money. They should split the book up into separate books! All same price as the original!

I tell you, when I was 17, I walked into the jungle, and when I was 21 I walked out! And by God, I was rich!

Uh oh. If this book is allowed continued publishing, Australia will degenerate into a patchwork of savage homosexual tribes before the end of the next decade.

Funny, because I could have sworn there were large groups of them carousing around in tight shorts and figure hugging sleevless patterened shirts as it was....Couldn't wait to tear the ball off each other.....

Funny, because I could have sworn there were large groups of them carousing around in tight shorts and figure hugging sleevless patterened shirts as it was....Couldn't wait to tear the ball off each other.....

You have clearly been to Mardi Gras.

Uh oh. If this book is allowed continued publishing, Australia will degenerate into a patchwork of savage homosexual tribes before the end of the next decade.

Promise?

You have clearly been to Mardi Gras.


No, I was just watching compromise rules.....

In New South Wales, family groups are outraged at a book that dares to *gasp* teach kids that there are all kinds of family, and that homosexual families exist.

How dare they suggest to children that some people have 2 mummies or 2 daddies? Next thing you know, they'll actually want to treat gays like people.


I even heard that the books actually claims that divorced people can form a new family with someone else! THE OUTRAGE!!! (oh wait. Prince of Wales + Camilla Parker Bowles + Princes Willam and Henry...)

Also, usually only liches have two mummies.

Also, usually only liches have two mummies.

Only two? Pfft, fail.

I even heard that the books actually claims that divorced people can form a new family with someone else! THE OUTRAGE!!! (oh wait. Prince of Wales + Camilla Parker Bowles + Princes Willam and Henry...)

Also, usually only liches have two mummies.

Umm not quite true, I have three and I'm not a liche.:D

Umm not quite true, I have three and I'm not a liche.:D

Lich. And if that's the case you must be that other undead elf.....thing.

Lich. And if that's the case you must be that other undead elf.....thing.

Nope I just have three mums.

The spirit of the book is fine... but I don't know if "intercourse" should be a word used in a book for two year olds. There are definitely ways around that.

The spirit of the book is fine... but I don't know if "intercourse" should be a word used in a book for two year olds. There are definitely ways around that.

It's gota be better than the word 'fucking' hasn't it?

It's gota be better than the word 'fucking' hasn't it?

And 'making the two backed beast' is just setting the whole thing up for disaster, both now and in years to come....

The spirit of the book is fine... but I don't know if "intercourse" should be a word used in a book for two year olds. There are definitely ways around that.

True, to be honest I'm not sure what the wording of that particular section is. So I don't know.

The spirit of the book is fine... but I don't know if "intercourse" should be a word used in a book for two year olds. There are definitely ways around that.

I agree. "Sex" is much more age-appropriate; "intercourse" is a lot longer and a lot harder to sound out.

I agree. "Sex" is much more age-appropriate; "intercourse" is a lot longer and a lot harder to sound out.

True true, it does have all those pesky syllables. But then again, it would be good for literacy development. :)

Why does society always crumble? Why can't society melt? Or ionize?

Why does society always crumble? Why can't society melt? Or ionize?

Because society is made out of crumbly material. A bit like cake.

Because society is made out of crumbly material. A bit like cake.

mmmmmmm.... Society Cake! Sounds delicious!

The world is coming to an end! But don't worry, there is something you can do to prepare. Just message me and I will tell you how.

The world is coming to an end! But don't worry, there is something you can do to prepare. Just message me and I will tell you how.

Go on ,be brave, post it.....

mmmmmmm.... Society Cake! Sounds delicious!

It's got 3 yummy layers of economic statuses.

Is there a chapter in that book about having 10 moms and 1 dad? Or the chapter on "I don't know which of these 3 men are your father"? Or how about the "You are a clone" conversation?

Is there a chapter in that book about having 10 moms and 1 dad? Or the chapter on "I don't know which of these 3 men are your father"? Or how about the "You are a clone" conversation?

I'm sure these will be in later editions. Give them a chance. There's only so much controversy you can stir at once before society implodes like so much souffle.

Eh, I think targeting this at 2-year-olds is a little... Off.

Eh, I think targeting this at 2-year-olds is a little... Off.

Yeah, I mean, there's really no need for a 2 year old that can bearly say a 3-syllable word correctly to know about the world of sexuality.

Society is always crumbling. It's been crumbling since the concept of society was thought of. Society is just one big crumble pile.

With regards to the issue, I don't see anything wrong with these books. Some people will use them to teach their kids about sex at an early age, some won't. Simple as.

Eh, I think targeting this at 2-year-olds is a little... Off.

The age range it's recommended for is 2-12. I would imagine that such a variation means that certain parts of the book can be used for certain ages. I had a human development encyclopedia when I was 3 or 4 that was quite detailed and graphic. My mum used it for all the tricky questions.

Yeah, I mean, there's really no need for a 2 year old that can bearly say a 3-syllable word correctly to know about the world of sexuality.

But would you say there is a need for them to know that different types of families exist? Which is one area the book covers. Or have a rudimentary understanding of how babies develop at age 6 or 7? Or be aware of the changes that are going to start occurring in their bodies by say 10?

I would say that 2 year olds certainly need to be aware of their genitals being private, personal places. I would say that they need to be aware that there are a range of families, not just their own. I would say that they need to be aware of the biological differences between males and females. If only so they know why they have to use the right toilet at kindy.

The age range it's recommended for is 2-12. I would imagine that such a variation means that certain parts of the book can be used for certain ages. I had a human development encyclopedia when I was 3 or 4 that was quite detailed and graphic. My mum used it for all the tricky questions.



But would you say there is a need for them to know that different types of families exist? Which is one area the book covers. Or have a rudimentary understanding of how babies develop at age 6 or 7? Or be aware of the changes that are going to start occurring in their bodies by say 10?

I would say that 2 year olds certainly need to be aware of their genitals being private, personal places. I would say that they need to be aware that there are a range of families, not just their own. I would say that they need to be aware of the biological differences between males and females. If only so they know why they have to use the right toilet at kindy.

Yeah, which is why if the book keeps the information limited to that sort of thing, that's fine, but no need to go into an explanation on that magical thing that happens when a man and a woman love each other very much.

Saint J, why would you rather dehydrate than drown? It's always bugged me, but I've never gotten around to asking until now. It seems like dehydration would be the single most unpleasant death I can think of, short of whatever the latest H2 insult is, whereas drowning is kinda quick...

Anyway, I think they need to make a pop up sex ed book. This may be why I'm not allowed to have children :p

Saint J, why would you rather dehydrate than drown? It's always bugged me, but I've never gotten around to asking until now. It seems like dehydration would be the single most unpleasant death I can think of, short of whatever the latest H2 insult is, whereas drowning is kinda quick...

I Tg'd you ;)

Anyway, I think they need to make a pop up sex ed book. This may be why I'm not allowed to have children :p

LOL!!! I think that would be great! Although, if I looked into it, I'd probably be in the same boat as you.

Go on ,be brave, post it.....
I don't know if some people here would like it. You've heard of Left Behind, right? It's like in the last book, what I believe about the end of the world. That gives you a clue as to how to prepare. I'm brave about some things, but with this kind of stuff, only online because of my cover of a fake name.

I don't know if some people here would like it. You've heard of Left Behind, right? It's like in the last book, what I believe about the end of the world. That gives you a clue as to how to prepare. I'm brave about some things, but with this kind of stuff, only online because of my cover of a fake name.

If you can't be brave online anonymously, when can you be brave?!!

And your real name isn't Behaved? I'm shocked :p

I taught my students different kind of families exist today before a Mother's day project. Because one of my kids has no mom, and one has two. Now they're all probably doomed to become lesbians and dead-beat moms. :(

I understand the issue is more about bringing it in when they are 2.

After all when I was two these sort of differences were never taught to us.

Regardess their fears are unfounded the book talks that some may have one father or one mother or one of each or two fathers or two mothers. Rather than promoting these types of families.

When I was two, the lesbians next door babysat for me, and we went to their softball games. I haven't noticed any lifelong scarring.

When I was two, the lesbians next door babysat for me, and we went to their softball games. I haven't noticed any lifelong scarring.

ORLY? Se what you posted before that....

I taught my students different kind of families exist today before a Mother's day project. Because one of my kids has no mom, and one has two. Now they're all probably doomed to become lesbians and dead-beat moms.

See what the ebil lesbian mafia has done?! :eek:

There's some real tolerant people on that comment board

When I was two, the lesbians next door babysat for me, and we went to their softball games. I haven't noticed any lifelong scarring.


You need a full length mirror, and a smaller one....

Yeah, which is why if the book keeps the information limited to that sort of thing, that's fine, but no need to go into an explanation on that magical thing that happens when a man and a woman love each other very much.
Why not?

I had Where Did I Come From as a baby book. As a happy result, I never had "the talk" about any of this crap with my parents, because I just grew up knowing it. Nobody has ever given me a reason why this is bad. People always claim that little kids won't understand or can't handle learning about sex, yet I did and I wasn't a terribly bright child.

Yeah, which is why if the book keeps the information limited to that sort of thing, that's fine, but no need to go into an explanation on that magical thing that happens when a man and a woman love each other very much.

A quickie in a back alley?

Why not?

I had Where Did I Come From as a baby book. As a happy result, I never had "the talk" about any of this crap with my parents, because I just grew up knowing it. Nobody has ever given me a reason why this is bad. People always claim that little kids won't understand or can't handle learning about sex, yet I did and I wasn't a terribly bright child.


I grew up -incredibly- ignorant about the human body. It took me til I was 19 to find out that the clitoris and vagina were not -exactly the same thing-. it took my school to explain what sex was, and my first success at masturbation was a thing of terror because I thought that orgasm was a misspelling of 'organism'. all I knew was that I was leaking SOMETHING THAT WASN'T BLOOD. As a result, what was a fairly unpleasant childhood was not assisted by my blind fumbling. To this day I have no idea what I was being protected from and what possible benefit it was to me.

If you can't be brave online anonymously, when can you be brave?!!

And your real name isn't Behaved? I'm shocked :p
I was saying there are things I can be brave about only online. Btw, do you think I'm odd?

I am morally outraged by this bigoted book, what about families that have two daddies and three mummies or more, or just a single daddy or a single mummy?

That said, I would love the hear a birds-and-the-bees talk from a gay couple -- "Well, when a mummy and another mummy love each other very much, the mummies sit down a think of men they know who are bright, handsome, and willing to give a special kind of hug to one of the mummies, but not want to be a daddy..."

I Tg'd you ;)
What, you're making me actually go to the effort of logging into my NS nation, checking my Tg's... grumble grumble... replied ;)


LOL!!! I think that would be great! Although, if I looked into it, I'd probably be in the same boat as you.

I had a lot of picture books when I was a kid, but it always looked kinda weird. I wanted a pop up book because it would have been visually more... descriptive. It wasn't until I got a book which actually had word descriptions of what was going on (In fact, it might have been the same "Encyclopedia of the Body") that I grasped what was going on.

I never had to have "The talk" for which I am eternally grateful. Although I'm sure my dad would have tried...

I grew up -incredibly- ignorant about the human body. It took me til I was 19 to find out that the clitoris and vagina were not -exactly the same thing-. it took my school to explain what sex was, and my first success at masturbation was a thing of terror because I thought that orgasm was a misspelling of 'organism'. all I knew was that I was leaking SOMETHING THAT WASN'T BLOOD. As a result, what was a fairly unpleasant childhood was not assisted by my blind fumbling. To this day I have no idea what I was being protected from and what possible benefit it was to me.

This reminds me a lot of my experiences at school. Our sex ed was atrocious (featuring a video from the 80s, where someone was nervous about sex and puberty, asked about it, and then a load of guys with huge afros randomly appeared and applauded him) so at the age of 18 I thought babies came out the bum and had no idea what a clitoris even was. Though in fairness, I was hardly searching out the information, thinking sex a vaguely disgusting topic (an attitude which I still find difficult to shake off) and had no intentions of doing it, so I was probably not the target audience for sex ed. We didn't cover these things at all in biology up to GCSE as far as I remember.