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Barrack Obama.

Barrack Obama.

Im not sure he was Marvel or a Supervillain...


If anything he's obviously a Superhero!

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Im not sure he was Marvel or a Supervillain...


If anything he's obviously a Superhero!

http://logo.cafepress.com/nocache/6/2326186.jpg

Da-da-dah Fascism Man!

Da-da-dah Fascism Man!

Bleh.

'Captain Hope And Change' has more of a ring to it.

Bleh.

'Captain Hope And Change' has more of a ring to it.

Moar liek Captain Opression and Servitude

Da-da-dah Fascism Man!

Where the hell do people like you come from? Bush is far more of a fascist than Obama is; in fact almost everyone in Congress is more of a fascist.

Bleh.

'Captain Hope And Change' has more of a ring to it.

Captain Change!

Da-da-dah Fascism Man!

*giggles* I absolutely love accusations of fascism regarding obama. it's almost like some people must think that he was in charge of the party that brought the world the PATRIOT act, the war on terrists, and Guantanamo bay.

Brogavia, please redirect this to a new thread. Call it "Is Obama a fascist?" or something to that effect. Thanks.

Da-da-dah Fascism Man!

Sorry, I think its taken:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/7665/191966-127881_large.jpg

A title like that means you have to actually be a Fascist...

Moar liek Captain Opression and Servitude

You just have no appreciation for subtle evil. :p

*giggles* I absolutely love accusations of fascism regarding obama. it's almost like some people must think that he was in charge of the party that brought the world the PATRIOT act, the war on terrists, and Guantanamo bay.

Patriot act was bullshit. The War on Terror is better than doing nothing and letting The taliban control afganistan so it could let La quedia use it to train more operatives. And with Guantanamo bay, have you actually read the "Tourture memos"?

Patriot act was bullshit. The War on Terror is better than doing nothing and letting The taliban control afganistan so it could let La quedia use it to train more operatives. And with Guantanamo bay, have you actually read the "Tourture memos"?

http://bkeithb.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/fascism.jpg

http://bkeithb.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/fascism.jpg

Add in a Donkey and you've got it right.

Add in a Donkey and you've got it right.

From certain members, But, You cant prove that Obama has done anything remotely Fascist, or even Authoritarian...

Barrack Obama.
ha! That's hilarious! Sooooooo funny! The witty reparte of the young conservative is beyond belief!
Hahahahahahahahahaha
whew...can't stop laughing
hoohoo!
oh man...think I've got it under control...oh no...there I go again
heheeheeheeehahoop
deep breaths, deep breaths, don't want to laugh myself to death at this superband original bon mot...oh god, I'm off again
hahahahahahahahahahaha
please someone stop me! Show me pictures of sad kittens or a sick puppy! Bro's wit is giving me stomach cramps from laughter!
hoohoohoohoohoo...


(8 posts and off-topic. Is this a record?)

(8 posts and off-topic. Is this a record?)
Not by a long shot.

And watch who you're calling young there buck-o, I've been here since Jan of 06.

The War on Terror is better than doing nothing
Not if it leads to more terrorists being created, which it has. See all the terrorist attacks in the West since 9/11.

letting The taliban control afganistan so it could let La quedia use it to train more operatives.
They still control most of Afghanistan, and now a sizeable chunk of Pakistan.

So much for the War on Terror.

with Guantanamo bay, have you actually read the "Tourture memos"?
Have you?

Not if it leads to more terrorists being created, which it has. See all the terrorist attacks in the West since 9/11.


They still control most of Afghanistan, and now a sizeable chunk of Pakistan.

So much for the War on Terror.


Have you?

In the west, see Europe. Europe has a sizeable flow of muslim immigrants, and lax immigrantion control. So with the minority of extremist muslims (who are a small minority of mainstream muslims), that means that statisticly speaking, they are more likely to have said terrorist attacks.

In the west, see Europe. Europe has a sizeable flow of muslim immigrants, and lax immigrantion control. So with the minority of extremist muslims (who are a small minority of mainstream muslims), that means that statisticly speaking, they are more likely to have said terrorist attacks.

We shall call you, Captain Threadjack.

We shall call you, Captain Threadjack.

My friend, Isn't that what general is all about? Give me ten examples of threads that stayed on topic and I shall concede.

My friend, Isn't that what general is all about? Give me ten examples of threads that stayed on topic and I shall concede.

My superpower is humor not humoring. Usually I use that power for good and not evil. Usually. :D

How about this: warned for threadjacking.

How about this: warned for threadjacking.

Who added the captain thread jack thing?

Who added the captain thread jack thing?

You mean that a mod put that in your title?

You mean that a mod put that in your title?
It wasn't the tooth fairy. :p (Although I don't think the title is relevant, it's merely a thread title in the spirit of NSG)

Captain Change!

Does he carry a coin dispenser around and give out changes for a dollar?

You mean that a mod put that in your title?

Unless LG has the power to split threads, then It had to have been.

How about this: warned for threadjacking.

We shall call you, Modneto!

Does he carry a coin dispenser around and give out changes for a dollar?
As a matter of fact...

Sadly, no. But if he did, he would be the US's greatest president! :tongue:

Unless LG has the power to split threads, then It had to have been.

<.<

>.>

I admit nothing.

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I admit nothing.

I fucking knew it. Your an undercover mod aren't you?

As a matter of fact...

Sadly, no. But if he did, he would be the US's greatest president! :tongue:

Hell, I'd vote for him in 2012 if he did a press conference and had one of those coins dispenser on his belt.

Obama: "Before I make my speech, who need some changes?"

:D

I fucking knew it. Your an undercover mod aren't you?

Young man, this is your father, get back to bed!

And we'll talk about this language tomorrow after I get home from work.

*stares severely*

Young man, this is your father, get back to bed!

I don't wanna.

*thorws tantrum*

Hell, I'd vote for him in 2012 if he did a press conference and had one of those coins dispenser on his belt.

Obama: "Before I make my speech, who need some changes?"

:D

I've got an old alka-seltzer tin filled with change...

I don't wanna.

*thorws tantrum*

You'd better, or I might be forced to have your mother make you eat gruel and lock you in the basement tomorrow night.

I've got an old alka-seltzer tin filled with change...

Yea, but you never ran a Presidential campaign based on hope and change, so the joke really wouldn't work if you did it.

You'd better, or I might be forced to have your mother make you eat gruel and lock you in the basement tomorrow night.

*grabs keys, my wallet, and drives off in my car*

So, is Obama a fascist? Why or why not?

So, is Obama a fascist? Why or why not?

Yes, He's a politician.

Yes, He's a politician.

It's actually because he is black.

Yes, He's a politician.

So was Thatcher, for whom you professed admiration.

It's actually because he is black.

Oppression knows no color.

So, is Obama a fascist? Why or why not?

Fascism is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascism is also a corporatist economic ideology.[5] Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[6] Fascists believe that nations and races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in combat against the weak.[7] Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.[8] Fascism opposes class conflict and blames capitalist liberal democracies for creating class conflict and in turn blames communists for exploiting class conflict.[9] No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists often disagree on what a concise definition would consist of.

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Definitions)

No, Obama is not a fascist, he's not radical, authoritarian, or nationalistic. We do not have a single party state, as far as I can tell we still have the Republican and Libertarian party. Obama does not hold the belief that the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in combat against the weak. He doesn't suppress criticism or opposition to the government.

So no, he is not a fascist.

unless lg has the power to split threads, then it had to have been.

wtf?

I, for one, am uncomfortable about Obama's usage of the White House Press Corps to attack people who disagree with him. I know Bush did it (and Clinton to a lesser extent also), but I have two issues:

1. Doesn't it kinda contradict Obama's talk of 'New Politics'?

2. It may be because I come from a country that has an apolitical, if very weak, executive (Australia), but I always thought that the executive really shouldn't get bogged down in partisan mudslinging - it cheapens the office.

I just think that Obama's still fighting the election. It's a powerful force - it's very hard to get out of election mode. But Obama really should do so.

I, for one, am uncomfortable about Obama's usage of the White House Press Corps to attack people who disagree with him. I know Bush did it (and Clinton to a lesser extent also), but I have two issues:

1. Doesn't it kinda contradict Obama's talk of 'New Politics'?

2. It may be because I come from a country that has an apolitical, if very weak, executive (Australia), but I always thought that the executive really shouldn't get bogged down in partisan mudslinging - it cheapens the office.

I just think that Obama's still fighting the election. It's a powerful force - it's very hard to get out of election mode. But Obama really should do so.

Heh I think our executive has been in election mode since they one the election can't see them dropping out at all.

So was Thatcher, for whom you professed admiration.

But its different Thatcher is a woman.

I fucking knew it. Your an undercover mod aren't you?

Noooo...

http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/eek3.gif

But its different Thatcher is a woman.

So's Alessandra Mussolini. :p

So's Alessandra Mussolini. :p

Yeah but she is Italian, when it comes to politics over there everything is screwy. :tongue:

In the west, see Europe. Europe has a sizeable flow of muslim immigrants, and lax immigrantion control.
Very fucking sweeping claim. There is no EU-wide immigration law (yet).

Aw, its another kiddy who doesnt actually know what 'facism' means!

Aw, its another kiddy who doesnt actually know what 'facism' means!

It is pretty cute in that, "its smothered food all over itself and now I have to clean it up" sort of way, lol...

It is pretty cute in that, "its smothered food all over itself and now I have to clean it up" sort of way, lol...

Literal lol.

Aw, its another kiddy who doesnt actually know what 'facism' means!

I'm assuming he interprets having a (D) after one's name makes one a fascist.

Aw, its another kiddy who doesnt actually know what 'facism' means!

Surely fascism=BO?











:p

I'm assuming he interprets having a (D) after one's name makes one a fascist.

Yeah, Im guessing hes one of those kiddies whose parents vote Republican and he knows nothing about politics beyond what mommy and daddy say about it. And he probably just learned the word 'facism' in 8th grade social studies, and knows its bad, but not much else.

So he just applies it to things he doesnt like.

Yeah, Im guessing hes one of those kiddies whose parents vote Republican and he knows nothing about politics beyond what mommy and daddy say about it. And he probably just learned the word 'facism' in 8th grade social studies, and knows its bad, but not much else.

So he just applies it to things he doesnt like.

That's what I do with the word neo-con. :tongue:

Obama =/= fascist. Fascism is a far right-wing political philosophy. Obama leans to the left, although he's not far left.

Obama =/= fascist. Fascism is a far right-wing political philosophy. Obama leans to the left, although he's not far left.

Fascist.

Obama =/= fascist. Fascism is a far right-wing political philosophy. Obama leans to the left, although he's not far left.
Err fascism is more about how authoritarian you are than anything else. The USSR was basically fascist, with a state socialist economy. Mussolini's Italy was fascist, with a mixed economy. Pinochet's Chile was fascist, but with a largely free economy.

Err fascism is more about how authoritarian you are than anything else. The USSR was basically fascist, with a state socialist economy. Mussolini's Italy was fascist, with a mixed economy. Pinochet's Chile was fascist, but with a largely free economy.

That's true. In that case, Obama still isn't fascist, as he isn't authoritarian.

Obama =/= fascist. Fascism is a far right-wing political philosophy. Obama leans to the left, although he's not far left.

It depends on from what perspective you view him. By U.S. standards, he's left-wing, while to people in social democracies, he's probably seen as centrist or even center-right. Of course, it also depends on your personal political views. I doubt that, say, an anarcho-communist would view Obama as far-left, whereas a Nazi probably would.

Err fascism is more about how authoritarian you are than anything else. The USSR was basically fascist, with a state socialist economy. Mussolini's Italy was fascist, with a mixed economy. Pinochet's Chile was fascist, but with a largely free economy.

Pinochet's Chile and the USSR weren't fascist. The only fascist states were the Estado Novo (both the Brazilian and Portuguese variants), Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Japan during World War II, the Axis satellite states of WWII, Peron's Argentina, El Salvador under Maximiliano Hernandez, and apartheid South Africa (quasi-fascist).

Yeah, Im guessing hes one of those kiddies whose parents vote Republican and he knows nothing about politics beyond what mommy and daddy say about it. And he probably just learned the word 'facism' in 8th grade social studies, and knows its bad, but not much else.

Probably.

So he just applies it to things he doesnt like.

"Junior, eat your broccoli!"

"But Ma, broccoli is so fascist!"

:p

Pinochet's Chile was fascist, but with a largely free economy.

Pinochet's Chile was not fascist.

"Junior, eat your broccoli!"

"But Ma, broccoli is so fascist!"

:p

Lol.

"Honey, time to go to bed."

"But Ma, bed-times are so fascist!"

Pinochet's Chile was not fascist.

Can we not?

Lol.

"Honey, time to go to bed."

"But Ma, bed-times are so fascist!"

lol actually they are, after all it is the parents who dicate when you go to bed and are authoritarian over the household.

So perhaps bed time isn't fascist but rather the way the household is run is.

:)

"Junior, eat your broccoli!"

"But Ma, broccoli is so fascist!"

:p
I knew it! I bloody knew it! I knew there was something about brocoli that just didn't add up.
I bet Brussel Sprouts are communist.

Can we not?
But I must. :p
lol actually they are, after all it is the parents who dicate when you go to bed and are authoritarian over the household.

So perhaps bed time isn't fascist but rather the way the household is run is.

:)
And children need that in order to learn discipline. = Fascism is good fer ya.

I knew it! I bloody knew it! I knew there was something about brocoli that just didn't add up.
I bet Brussel Sprouts are communist.

They're Maoist. Peas are clerical fascist, cauliflower is Trotskyist.

But I must. :p

Oh I know but you need to fight temptation.

Anyway, H2 is on a three day ban.

And children need that in order to learn discipline. = Fascism is good fer ya.

There we go we need fascism. :p

That's true. In that case, Obama still isn't fascist, as he isn't authoritarian.
Aye, quite.
Pinochet's Chile and the USSR weren't fascist.
*cough* single party states with widespread political repression and the government-ordered deaths of many thousands of citizens *cough*

*cough* single party states with widespread political repression and the government-ordered deaths of many thousands of citizens *cough*

One can be an authoritarian or a totalitarian without being a fascist. And Pinochet's Chile banned all political parties, rather than granting a specific party a monopoly.

One can be an authoritarian or a totalitarian without being a fascist.
Right, how would you define fascism then?
And Pinochet's Chile banned all political parties, rather than granting a specific party a monopoly.
Same odds, fascist states largely became cults of personality.

Right, how would you define fascism then?

Same odds, fascist states largely became cults of personality.

Fascism tends to be highly nationalistic in nature.

Fascism tends to be highly nationalistic in nature.
So did the USSR. And Chile. And almost every other authoritarian state. Ever.

So did the USSR. And Chile. And almost every other authoritarian state. Ever.

Stalin saw to it that the country worshiped him, but I do not think they talked much about "the greatness of the Russian people"--maybe they tooted their horn about Communism, but I do not see his government as any more nationalistic than the average democracy. The same goes for Chile: there was no massive effort to make the people look superior.

Stalin saw to it that the country worshiped him, but I do not think they talked much about "the greatness of the Russian people"--maybe they tooted their horn about Communism, but I do not see his government as any more nationalistic than the average democracy.
I dunno, they kicked the Internationale in the head for something more Russian, and had references back to the Patriotic War all throughout WW2, which was a genuinely Russian effort. The fact that self-determination for the various ethnicities of the USSR, even under the very much Georgian Stalin, was nothing more than an intellectual debate also shows a degree of nationalism.
The same goes for Chile: there was no massive effort to make the people look superior.
They shot up the internationalists. That suggests a degree of nationalism to me, at least.

I dunno, they kicked the Internationale in the head for something more Russian, and had references back to the Patriotic War all throughout WW2, which was a genuinely Russian effort.

The U.S. does the same thing.

The fact that self-determination for the various ethnicities of the USSR, even under the very much Georgian Stalin, was nothing more than an intellectual debate also shows a degree of nationalism.

I believe self-determination was a no-no for anybody.

They shot up the internationalists. That suggests a degree of nationalism to me, at least.

A degree, of course. But, for me, nationalism has is the main ingredient in fascism.

Right, how would you define fascism then?

Extreme nationalism. A revolutionary restructuring of society. A dirigiste, corporatist state in which profits are privatized, losses are socialized, and the state and big business have a symbiotic relationship, the economy is highly cartelized, and the government regulates everything and everyone to within an inch of one's life. Autarky. (Usually) Militarism. Extreme anti-individualism, and emphasis on "the greater good." A single, monopolized, government-run trade union. A secret police force. Etc.

Same odds, fascist states largely became cults of personality.

Pinochet's Chile was merely a right-wing military dictatorship.

The U.S. does the same thing.
... this is true. The US is pretty nationalistic, though.
I believe self-determination was a no-no for anybody.
Aye. But what was the language of Running Things? Russian.
A degree, of course. But, for me, nationalism has is the main ingredient in fascism.
For me, fascism is mainly about the level of coercion via military force in government.

... this is true. The US is pretty nationalistic, though.

So are many other countries. I am talking about Mussolini and Hitler nationalism.

Aye. But what was the language of Running Things? Russian.

So? what would you suggest? Gaelic?

For me, fascism is mainly about the level of coercion via military force in government.

Then fascism existed thousands of years before it was even invented? :confused:

Extreme nationalism.
A part of it, aye.
A revolutionary restructuring of society.
Is not a part of fascist action, more of fascist rhetoric. The ruling class almost always stays the same, it just occassionally ventures out in uniform.
A dirigiste, corporatist state in which profits are privatized, losses are socialized, and the state and big business have a symbiotic relationship, the economy is highly cartelized
Like in Chile, then.
the government regulates everything and everyone to within an inch of one's life.
Politically motivated torture, deaths and disappearances, anyone?
Autarky. (Usually)
But not this time.
Militarism.
It was a junta ffs.
Extreme anti-individualism, and emphasis on "the greater good."
Neo-conservative economic reforms at great expense for the majority of the population = this.
A single, monopolized, government-run trade union.
Pinochet's junta was not exactly union-friendly.
A secret police force.
DINA/CNI.
Pinochet's Chile was merely a right-wing military dictatorship.
Right, which I'd term a fascist state.

So are many other countries. I am talking about Mussolini and Hitler nationalism.
How is changing your national anthem, restricting minority ethnic rights and looking back to the great events of one particular group not 'extreme nationalism'?
So? what would you suggest? Gaelic?
Just saying that it kind of shows the dominance of the Russian people even in regions where they were the minority.
Then fascism existed thousands of years before it was even named as such? :confused:
Aye, fixed.

Moar liek Captain Opression and Servitude
You may have something there with the servitude part but the party has probably had forced labor - err, required volunteering on the back burner for a while.

It depends on from what perspective you view him. By U.S. standards, he's left-wing, while to people in social democracies, he's probably seen as centrist or even center-right. Of course, it also depends on your personal political views. I doubt that, say, an anarcho-communist would view Obama as far-left, whereas a Nazi probably would.

Indeed, most people actually on the political left (ancoms like myself, among others), tend to view Obama as fairly centrist, hovering between slightly left and slightly right. About where Blair was, basically.