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I'd just thought that I'd introduce myself before contributing in other threads so....

I'm from the state of Michigan.

I own, eh, all of Max Barry's books, and he is a favorite author of mine.

I am very pro-capitalist.

I am very much in support of limited, if any, government.

I'm religious.

I'm a musician, I play guitar, drums and I can sing too. :p

So, I think I'm going to have to go create havoc in other people's threads now. :)

Nice to meet you. Welcome to the hell where you will spend nearly all your waking moments.

Welcome. The baby buffet is on the right, just next to the abortion clinic.

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I'd just thought that I'd introduce myself before contributing in other threads so....
Hi.
I am very pro-capitalist.

:mad:
I'm religious.

:mad:

Just thought I'd post on this thread.


:mad:

And what is wrong with him being religious?

And what is wrong with him being religious?

Nothing, with him/her specifically, just religion in general.

Nothing, with him/her specifically, just religion in general.

What specifically?

What specifically?

The way people need a voice to tell them what to do in their life- they need to think for themselves.

The way people need a voice to tell them what to do in their life- they need to think for themselves.

So it is more to do with the people rather than religion?

And have you come up with all your ideals? You didn't hear anyone else say it and explain it and you say well yeah that's a good way to look at it?

So it is more to do with the people rather than religion?

And have you come up with all your ideals? You didn't hear anyone else say it and explain it and you say well yeah that's a good way to look at it?

Religion is educated ignorance.


Why believe in something that there is no proof of?

Nice to meet you. Welcome to the hell where you will spend nearly all your waking moments.

Ummm.......:D

Welcome. The baby buffet is on the right, just next to the abortion clinic.

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Tasty? :p I don't like the black ones though.......Not that I'm racist....you'll understand, of course. They taste too much like licorice.

Tasty? :p I don't like the black ones though.......Not that I'm racist....you'll understand, of course. They taste too much like licorice.

You'll go far here.

Ummm.......:D



Tasty? :p I don't like the black ones though.......Not that I'm racist....you'll understand, of course. They taste too much like licorice.

Liquorish, eh?

First I would like to clear up something Kadagai= Male Lmao

You no like capitalism? :eek:

The way people need a voice to tell them what to do in their life- they need to think for themselves.

God doesn't necessarily tell me to do anything in life. I am left to follow my own path in life, for better or worse.

I indeed do indeed think for myself; I, and only I, came to the conclusion that God is the only satisfactory explanation for my existence.

In fact, if I were to just simply follow what my friends and family believed I'd be agnostic/athiest.

Actually, now that I think about it, the only religious people I know are my grandparents on my fathers side.

First I would like to clear up something Kadagai= Male Lmao

You no like capitalism? :eek:


Hate it.
God doesn't necessarily tell me to do anything in life. I am left to follow my own path in life, for better or worse.

I indeed do indeed think for myself; I, and only I, came to the conclusion that God is the only satisfactory explanation for my existence.

In fact, if I were to just simply follow what my friends and family believed I'd be agnostic/athiest.

Actually, now that I think about it, the only religious people I know are my grandparents on my fathers side.



I still don't see a reasonable explanation as to why people believe in her.

Where's the logic in that?

I'd just thought that I'd introduce myself before contributing in other threads so....

Why hello there, Mr n00b :D

I'm from the state of Michigan.
Unlucky.

I own, eh, all of Max Barry's books
Someone has to.

and he is a favorite author of mine.
Suck-up.

I am very pro-capitalist.
You make zombie raptor Lenin cry.

I am very much in support of limited, if any, government.
My God, you didn't vote for Ron Paul did you?

I'm religious.
This won't end well.

I'm a musician, I play guitar, drums and I can sing too. :p
Ah, one of these 'creative' types. Undoubtedly a homosexual.

The above may not be intended to be taken 100% seriously

I'm from the state of Michigan.

My commiserations.

I own, eh, all of Max Barry's books, and he is a favorite author of mine.

Ah, so that's why these books can't be bought anywhere, you have stashed them all!

I am very pro-capitalist.

I'm very anti-capitalist, because there being other capitalists diminishes my capacity for hoarding wealth!

I am very much in support of limited, if any, government.

Me too, there needs to be only one person forming the world government: me!

I'm religious.

My commiserations again.

I'm a musician, I play guitar, drums and I can sing too. :p

Well, then I'll make you my jester.

So, I think I'm going to have to go create havoc in other people's threads now. :)

Merry otherpeoplesthreadhavocation then.

I still don't see a reasonable explanation as to why people believe in her.

Where's the logic in that?

Hmm. Do you normally save such questions for teh noobs? :p

I suppose my logic in my belief of God has to do with the fact that life is is simply particles in the universe that setup way different than anything else, and have express desires to exist and grow.

Then they evolve in certain directions, develop certain traits. They become more advanced, and eventually become complex creatures.

Then eventually they develop a mind capable of self-awareness and soon understand the universe they came from.

I don't know, I don't think this could happen at random really, I just don't see how a universe without God is possible.

I also feel God's presence, and it feels just as right as 2+2=4 makes sense or the fact that the sky is blue.

That's not really proof however, and I'm not really trying to convince you otherwise. I've had way to many arguments with people over who's right about God to think it's possible to change somebody's mind.

Capitalism though, I'll argue with you to no end about how it triumphs everything else, with links to prove it. :D

Welcome to NS Kadagai.

Unlucky.



My commiserations.



Aww...c'mon guys, Michigan isn't that bad.
It's not like we're about to have major corporations go bankrupt or anything, potentially devastating our already poor economy, or that the town I live in was ranked last for jobs or anything.....Meh.

Well...at least I have my part-time job :)
oh wait....err...what's that?....oh....well it looks like I'll be on NSG a lot more eh?

Hmm. Do you normally save such questions for teh noobs? :p

I suppose my logic in my belief of God has to do with the fact that life is is simply particles in the universe that setup way different than anything else, and have express desires to exist and grow.

Then they evolve in certain directions, develop certain traits. They become more advanced, and eventually become complex creatures.

Then eventually they develop a mind capable of self-awareness and soon understand the universe they came from.

I don't know, I don't think this could happen at random really, I just don't see how a universe without God is possible.

I also feel God's presence, and it feels just as right as 2+2=4 makes sense or the fact that the sky is blue.

That's not really proof however, and I'm not really trying to convince you otherwise. I've had way to many arguments with people over who's right about God to think it's possible to change somebody's mind.
You won't choose my mind, there's no evidence, nothing to suggest you are right. Science can explain all these things you say that god must have cuased.
Capitalism though, I'll argue with you to no end about how it triumphs everything else, with links to prove it. :D

And yet I'd still be right.

And yet I'd still be right.

Ah, what is your preferred economic system, by the way?
Just so I know.

Religion is educated ignorance.


Why believe in something that there is no proof of?

How so?


Can you not believe in something there is proof of?

You won't choose my mind, there's no evidence, nothing to suggest you are right. Science can explain all these things you say that god must have cuased.

He never said he wanted to in fact in his post he said the exact opposite.

And yet I'd still be right.

This sounds like a challenge.

How so?

Can you not believe in something there is proof of?

Not even vaguely the same thing.

It's silly to believe in something you have no proof of because, well, there's no proof of it. On the other hand, not believing in something that does have proof is perfectly reasonable - you may not believe there is enough data, there may be several credible theories, you may simply be waiting to see how things turn out.

Ah, what is your preferred economic system, by the way?
Just so I know.
Communism/Socialism.
How so?


Can you not believe in something there is proof of?

Depends, there is little proof of science, but I believe it. There is no proof of god, and I do not believe in it. Do you believe in Father Christmas? The Tooth Fairy?

Communism.

Is there any proof that communism works and is the best economic model? Or are you simply believing that it is based on the writings of its supporters?

Depends, there is little proof of science, but I believe it. There is no proof of god, and I do not believe in it. Do you believe in Father Christmas? The Tooth Fairy?

Yes why do you ask? >.> <.< :p But then that doesn't really mean much as I believed in it untill I was shown that they do not exist. Has it be shown 100% that there is no God or something similar?

Also is science something one can believe in? One can accept the facts that scientific research are true and that it confirms an hypothesis and shows how something work but is it something you can say I believe in science? That just sounds strange.

But then that doesn't really mean much as I believed in it untill I was shown that they do not exist. Has it be shown 100% that there is no God or something similar?

It hasn't been shown that the Tooth Fairy doesn't exist, either.

Sorry. Looks like it's back to believing for you.

It hasn't been shown that the Tooth Fairy doesn't exist, either.

Sorry. Looks like it's back to believing for you.

Cool or I can simply choose not to believe in it.

Or

What I believed to be the Tooth Fairy has been shown not to be true.

Or

I can do what some Atheists do and believe that despite evidence I will believe that the Tooth Fairy does not exist.

I'm from the state of Michigan.

Michigan's not bad, the UP is nice scenery, your football team is crap, though.

I am very pro-capitalist.

Good for you. Capitalism, like democracy, is the worst system ever thought up...except for all the others.

I am very much in support of limited, if any, government.

You've got to have a bit of government around the place, though, if only so you know who to blame when things go wrong. Although I am of the opinion that the government governs best that governs least.

I'm religious.

I find that faith can be helpful in time of trouble, and pretty much any other time as well.

I'm a musician, I play guitar, drums and I can sing too.

What kind of music do you play?

Cool or I can simply choose not to believe in it.

You could, but that would be grossly inconsistent of you.

What I believed to be the Tooth Fairy has been shown not to be true.

Except that, again, it hasn't. We have absolutely no way to tell whether or not the Tooth Fairy is real.

I can do what some Atheists do and believe that despite evidence I will believe that the Tooth Fairy does not exist.

...Are you trying to say that we *do* have evidence for god's existence, and silly atheists are ignoring that evidence to cling to their ideas of a natural universe?

You'll go far here.

Maybe, maybe not. Despite all the ingredients for a grade A flamefest being present in the opening post, this thread just won't escalate. And let's face it: the only threads worth remembering are those that result in the banning of at least one member.

You could, but that would be grossly inconsistent of you.

So are you going to say that everybody who follows a religion must also follow every other religion and believe everything every other religion states not to mention also believing

Except that, again, it hasn't. We have absolutely no way to tell whether or not the Tooth Fairy is real.

So you know exactly what I believed to be the Tooth Fairy?

...Are you trying to say that we *do* have evidence for god's existence, and silly atheists are ignoring that evidence to cling to their ideas of a natural universe?

Where am I saying this? :confused:

BTW not all atheists are people who believe that there is NO God some simply don't believe in God

So are you going to say that everybody who follows a religion must also follow every other religion and believe everything every other religion states not to mention also believing

Of course not. I'm just saying that it's grossly inconsistent of them.

So you know exactly what I believed to be the Tooth Fairy?

No, but I don't need to know what you thought of it to know we haven't disproved it, and will never be able to.

Where am I saying this? :confused:

Nowhere, but it was all I could think of to explain why you'd said it. What did you mean?

Communism/Socialism.


Communism eh? Ever read Atlas Shrugged, by chance?

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

Hmm.

People's needs are always going to grow, simply because there are always going to be more and more people.

However under a communist society, the people's ability is eventually going to drop.

It is because people's ability is based on how much work they are willing to do and their physical/mental capacity to do said work.
However, doing work under the hammer and sickle provides no different benefits to not doing any work, which eventually leads to people trying to get out of working altogether because of the lack of incentives.

Those that came up with better ways of doing something were just given more work, which discouraged innovation.

Also, who's to determine the needs of the people?

Michigan's not bad, the UP is nice scenery, your football team is crap, though.



Good for you. Capitalism, like democracy, is the worst system ever thought up...except for all the others.



You've got to have a bit of government around the place, though, if only so you know who to blame when things go wrong. Although I am of the opinion that the government governs best that governs least.



I find that faith can be helpful in time of trouble, and pretty much any other time as well.



What kind of music do you play?

I don't really follow football all too much, However I do love Ann Arbor to death.

I play a variety of music really, although I tend to stick to mainly punk and alternative.

Of course not. I'm just saying that it's grossly inconsistent of them.

Explain why.

No, but I don't need to know what you thought of it to know we haven't disproved it, and will never be able to.

Well you do actually. If it has been disproved by showing exactly what happened then has it not be shown that it has been disproved?

Nowhere, but it was all I could think of to explain why you'd said it. What did you mean?

Is there evidence to prove that God or some higher being does not exist? Some atheists do believe that God or any other higher being does not exist and because of this I can do the same in regards to the Tooth Fairy.

I play a variety of music really, although I tend to stick to mainly punk and alternative.

Beginning to like you already. :)

Communism eh? Ever read Atlas Shrugged, by chance?

NSG is notorious for having failed to familiarize itself with the work of the eminent Russian-American philosopher Ayn Rand

NSG is notorious for having failed to familiarize itself with the work of the emminent Russian-American philosopher Ayn Rand

Alright whose puppet are you?

Alright whose puppet are you?

Not telling. But you can pull my strings any day you like.

I play a variety of music really, although I tend to stick to mainly punk and alternative.

I don't know a whole lot about punk, outside of The Clash, and I know less about alternative. My personal tastes tend to run towards country/Southern rock or metal.

Not telling. But you can pull my strings any day you like.

Are you trying to sudece me?

Kadagai, check your TGs

I don't know a whole lot about punk, outside of The Clash, and I know less about alternative.

Nothing wrong with a bit of raging punk. Personally I like acts such as Dead Kennedys, Discharge, Poison Idea, Benümb, From Ashes Rise, Tragedy and so on.

Communism eh? Ever read Atlas Shrugged, by chance?


You... you didn't...

Oh please god, you didn't...

*hears a distant rumblinig*

Oh god, here they come... quick, get those candles! Make the circle!

*draws up the Pentogram with a bit of old chalk*
*begins mumbling under breath*

I summon thee, oh Ghost of that eminent 20th Century Russian-American author, philosopher, noted sex kitten and female comb over pioneer, I summon thee with fear and trepidation, I summon thee to save us from this unbeliever!

Communism eh? Ever read Atlas Shrugged, by chance?
Rule #57-C of NSG: You are free to argue for Objectivism or Ayn Rand's philosophy. You are also free to use her arguments against collectivism in its various forms. But you must never mention the source, for it inspires only thread derailment and unmotivated vitriol.

You won't choose my mind, there's no evidence, nothing to suggest you are right. Science can explain all these things you say that god must have cuased.

But you have previously stated that everything (including science) is just as reliable, as in 0% reliable. You admitted to the possibility of a flat-earth, so it seems strange that you so blatantly reject the idea that a sentient force created the Universe, especially when many theists still believe in the Theory of Evolution and the Big Bang.

Communism eh? Ever read Atlas Shrugged, by chance?

We have done well to familiarize ourselves with the writings of the eminent 20th-century Russian-American philosopher, Ayn Rand

NSG is notorious for having failed to familiarize itself with the work of the eminent Russian-American philosopher Ayn RandAlright whose puppet are you?
I know! I know! :p

Oh, Hello to the newbie. I hope you find it nice here. We don't eat babies. We eat adults. Muwahahahahahaha!!!

Hi!

But you have previously stated that everything (including science) is just as reliable, as in 0% reliable. You admitted to the possibility of a flat-earth, so it seems strange that you so blatantly reject the idea that a sentient force created the Universe, especially when many theists still believe in the Theory of Evolution and the Big Band.

Big Band? Is this some new group I've yet to hear of.

Everything's possible, except god.

Everything's possible, except god.

Really? I mean, is it so hard to believe that something kicked off the universe then left us, never to return? Or is still here but just watching? That fits in with the Big Bang Theory.

Everything's possible, except god.
How so? Please, explain how a God is impossible, as I have a feeling you don't know what you're talking about.

Well there's no going back now. You're stuck here, like the rest of us.

Well there's no going back now. You're stuck here, like the rest of us.
I could stop any time I want to, I just choose not to!:p

I could stop any time I want to, I just choose not to!:p

How about now?

Or is tomorrow better?:wink:

I could stop any time I want to, I just choose not to!:p

Okay then. I don't want you posting for a week. This includes puppets! If you come back unharmed then you have proved yourself. However if you come back with the look of junkie looking for a fix, then you will have failed. Now go. See if you can survive the wilderness they call the internet without NSG as your home!

Okay then. I don't want you posting for a week. This includes puppets! If you come back unharmed then you have proved yourself. However if you come back with the look of junkie looking for a fix, then you will have failed. Now go. See if you can survive the wilderness they call the internet without NSG as your home!

I'll give it a shot. 5 day week or 7 days?

I'll give it a shot. 5 day week or 7 days?

We'll go with 5 day week. Afterall weekends are for relaxing!

We'll go with 5 day week. Afterall weekends are for relaxing!

OK, so starting from tomorrow, I won't post on this forum. What do I get if I complete my challenge?

Big Band? Is this some new group I've yet to hear of.

Bands tend to bang, in case you do not follow rock 'n roll.

Everything's possible, except god.

Wait, what? Why is that? Why is a flat earth, which is scientifically proven to not exist, more possible that the existence of God, which science has not disproved?

You won't choose my mind, there's no evidence, nothing to suggest you are right. Science can explain all these things you say that god must have cuased.

Aww jeez...not this shit again.

Okay then. I don't want you posting for a week. This includes puppets! If you come back unharmed then you have proved yourself. However if you come back with the look of junkie looking for a fix, then you will have failed. Now go. See if you can survive the wilderness they call the internet without NSG as your home!

I once did it for about a month. Came back shaking like a cocaine addict.

I tell you, this shit is trippy.

I am very pro-capitalist.

I am very much in support of limited, if any, government.

I'm religious.

I would leave now if I were you. We're like lepers to this place.

I would leave now if I were you. We're like lepers to this place.

Why leave? We need more support!

I myself am one of the oldest members (join-date wise) that has consistently promoted conservatism and capitalism.

I would leave now if I were you. We're like lepers to this place.
But leprosy has a cure now! *spills pills* See? :p

But leprosy has a cure now! *spills pills* See? :p

I admit I might have taken one of those "pills" (I'm alright with gay marriage).

But leprosy has a cure now! *spills pills* See? :p

lol :tongue:

OK, so starting from tomorrow, I won't post on this forum. What do I get if I complete my challenge?

A sense of accomplishment! And some sort of respect. Or put in your sig " I left NSG for a week and didn't die!"

I once did it for about a month. Came back shaking like a cocaine addict.

I tell you, this shit is trippy.

It is crazy. I was away for almost a month, when I had no internets. Crazy times.

That's, what, the fourth well-written intro post in the last week?

Welcome. Your opinions aren't exactly normal, but you'll do well here.

Or put in your sig " I left NSG for a week and didn't die!"

Yeah, alright then. Sounds like a Londim-certified tagline. I'll have to use UMP as a substitute. But it won't be the same. :(

Rule #57-C of NSG: You are free to argue for Objectivism or Ayn Rand's philosophy. You are also free to use her arguments against collectivism in its various forms. But you must never mention the source, for it inspires only thread derailment and unmotivated vitriol.

You... you didn't...

Oh please god, you didn't...

*hears a distant rumblinig*

Oh god, here they come... quick, get those candles! Make the circle!

*draws up the Pentogram with a bit of old chalk*
*begins mumbling under breath*

I summon thee, oh Ghost of that eminent 20th Century Russian-American author, philosopher, noted sex kitten and female comb over pioneer, I summon thee with fear and trepidation, I summon thee to save us from this unbeliever!

We have done well to familiarize ourselves with the writings of the eminent 20th-century Russian-American philosopher, Ayn Rand

Umm ok... duly noted. lol?

Wow....I'm surprised at how many people actually responded to my thread. Thanks I suppose for uh, welcoming me and providing useful insights to Ayn Rand and stuff.

Umm ok... duly noted. lol?

Some time back, an Objectivist poster said: "You would do well to familiarize yourself with the writings of the eminent 20th Century Russian-American philosopher, Ayn Rand."

If you see the meme on any other forum, know it was NSG that coined it.

Some time back, an Objectivist poster said: "You would do well to familiarize yourself with the writings of the eminent 20th Century Russian-American philosopher, Ayn Rand."

If you see the meme on any other forum, know it was NSG that coined it.

In one way, I really really hope it catches on.

But in another, equally strong way, I hope it doesn't...

Everything's possible, except god.

You can't say 'everything is possible, except X', because having a qualifier in the second half of the sentence disproves the absolute contained in the first part. The way you've written it, that sentence negates itself, which, I have to admit, is handy, mostly because it saves time that way.

Bands tend to bang, in case you do not follow rock 'n roll.
Pfft. What kind of person do you think I am.


Wait, what? Why is that? Why is a flat earth, which is scientifically proven to not exist, more possible that the existence of God, which science has not disproved?

I've never seen any evidence that the world is round.

I don't need science to prove there's no god, it's impossible for it to exist.

I don't need science to prove there's no god, it's impossible for it to exist.

Can you prove that not using science?

I don't need science to prove there's no god, it's impossible for it to exist.

Nonsense.

There is a god. In fact, there are many gods.

Nonsense.

There is a god. In fact, there are many gods.

You mean man made gods?

You mean man made gods?

If that works for you.

Pfft. What kind of person do you think I am.

A fifteen-year-old about to go to college. By another fellow who went to college at fifteen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl3mRjydcPw


I've never seen any evidence that the world is round.


Horizon?

I don't need science to prove there's no god, it's impossible for it to exist.

Why, exactly?

If that works for you.

It does. All gods are fictional, that's why I see no need to put a capital letter on the word god.

It does. All gods are fictional, that's why I see no need to put a capital letter on the word god.

You seem remarkably sure of this over other things. I ask you again: why?

You seem remarkably sure of this over other things. I ask you again: why?

Well, I suppose something like "fictional until shown otherwise" unfortunately that can be made to work both ways, http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/html/emoticons/unsure.gif

Well, I suppose something like "fictional until shown otherwise" unfortunately that can be made to work both ways, http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/html/emoticons/unsure.gif

Then why does he believe in the possibility of a flat earth?

It does. All gods are fictional, that's why I see no need to put a capital letter on the word god.

I believe you are correct, in the sense that no god humans have invented comes near the truth. However, their is no way that you can objectively prove that their is no divine being of any kind. The closest you might be able to come is proving that there's no proof either way.

Prove me wrong, if you can.

Oh, and regarding the OP's economic views: unrestricted capitalism is about as twisted and evil a system as Communism. Both Communism and economic libertarianism rest on a one-dimensional world view which is oversimplified and does not fit human nature.

Stupidest of all, though, is the belief that we can only choose one of two opposing extremes: communism of libertarianism.

Then why does he believe in the possibility of a flat earth?

Um.....He hasnt personally seen the earth as a whole?

A fifteen-year-old about to go to college. By another fellow who went to college at fifteen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl3mRjydcPw
Lol, I'm not going to Harvard, I'm not a genius.

I meant, that of course I follow it. :rolleyes:



Horizon?

The horizon, could be the sun moving for all we know.

You seem remarkably sure of this over other things. I ask you again: why?
Didn't religious chappies say that the earth was flat? And then, that the solar system went around us? There's plenty of bullshit in all religious writings, I am not foolish enough to believe a word of it.

Um.....He hasnt personally seen the earth as a whole?

This.

I believe you are correct, in the sense that no god humans have invented comes near the truth. However, their is no way that you can objectively prove that their is no divine being of any kind. The closest you might be able to come is proving that there's no proof either way.

Prove me wrong, if you can.
No, cos you are right.

Oh, and regarding the OP's economic views: unrestricted capitalism is about as twisted and evil a system as Communism. Both Communism and economic libertarianism rest on a one-dimensional world view which is oversimplified and does not fit human nature.

:rolleyes:
Stupidest of all, though, is the belief that we can only choose one of two opposing extremes: communism of libertarianism.

True.

You seem remarkably sure of this over other things. I ask you again: why?

Because he's 15. Every teenager knows everything about everything, didn't you know that? He'll grow out of it, given time.

Didn't religious chappies say that the earth was flat?

Not really. David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers write: "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

And then, that the solar system went around us?

Actually, geocentrism is an ancient theory expounded by both Ptolemy and Aristotle, among others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentrism

No, cos you are right.

Ok then.

:rolleyes:

Hardly a stunning refutation.

Because he's 15. Every teenager knows everything about everything, didn't you know that? He'll grow out of it, given time.

I don't claim that.

btw, Parkus is a teenager too.

Hardly a stunning refutation.

S'all I need to say.

I don't claim that.

btw, Parkus is a teenager too.

I feel old all the sudden, :(

I feel old all the sudden, :(

Awww, s'ok, you're not quite over the hill (yet).

S'all I need to say.

You may be arrogant/fanatical enough to believe that your views on economics do not require a defense, but be prepared to accept that others may view it as a sign of having no defense to give.

I believe you are correct, in the sense that no god humans have invented comes near the truth. However, their is no way that you can objectively prove that their is no divine being of any kind. The closest you might be able to come is proving that there's no proof either way.

Prove me wrong, if you can.

Oh, and regarding the OP's economic views: unrestricted capitalism is about as twisted and evil a system as Communism. Both Communism and economic libertarianism rest on a one-dimensional world view which is oversimplified and does not fit human nature.

Stupidest of all, though, is the belief that we can only choose one of two opposing extremes: communism of libertarianism.

Oh really? I haven't really heard too many arguments that call capitalism twisted and evil...I'd be interested in hearing your views further on it, if you don't mind of course.

You may be arrogant/fanatical enough to believe that your views on economics do not require a defense, but be prepared to accept that others may view it as a sign of having no defense to give.

At this point in history, I don't think a credible defense of Communism as a viable political or economic system could be mustered, even if someone were inclined to try.

Oh really? I haven't really heard too many arguments that call capitalism twisted and evil...

You've obviously not been listening to Air America, then.

The horizon, could be the sun moving for all we know.

The earth visibly bends at the horizon--if you watch ships sailing directly away from you, you will see them disappearing in a manner that suggests a curve in the ocean.


Didn't religious chappies say that the earth was flat? And then, that the solar system went around us? There's plenty of bullshit in all religious writings, I am not foolish enough to believe a word of it.

None of the crazy things anybody said proves or disproves God's existence. I once again request that you explain to me how such an entity's (as in, and entity which would be responsible for the beginning of the Universe) existence is "impossible", despite the fact that a flat earth is quite possible.

I'd just thought that I'd introduce myself before contributing in other threads so....

I'm from the state of Michigan.

I own, eh, all of Max Barry's books, and he is a favorite author of mine.

I am very pro-capitalist.

I am very much in support of limited, if any, government.

I'm religious.

I'm a musician, I play guitar, drums and I can sing too. :p

So, I think I'm going to have to go create havoc in other people's threads now. :)

Hujambo?

Anywho, dig in for some kind of argument. I'm sure at least one or two of your above characteristics will bring you some fierce digi-play.

You've obviously not been listening to Air America, then.

No I've never heard of it, where might I be able to listen to this program?

Oh really? I haven't really heard too many arguments that call capitalism twisted and evil...

Then you are in for a treat, here on NSG. I dare you to suggest a tax-cut.

I don't claim that.

btw, Parkus is a teenager too.

Only for a few more months.

Only for a few more months.

Youngin'! http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/html/emoticons/tongue.gif

The earth visibly bends at the horizon--if you watch ships sailing directly away from you, you will see them disappearing in a manner that suggests a curve in the ocean.
The end of the earth might be curved.



None of the crazy things anybody said proves or disproves God's existence. I once again request that you explain to me how such an entity's (as in, and entity which would be responsible for the beginning of the Universe) existence is "impossible", despite the fact that a flat earth is quite possible.

It just is impossible, there can't be anything more.

Youngin'! http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/html/emoticons/tongue.gif

*whines about homosexual rights in the Tashi Station*

It just is impossible, there can't be anything more.

Are you serious? Why?

Only for a few more months.

133 days I believe.

*Stalks*

Then you are in for a treat, here on NSG. I dare you to suggest a tax-cut.

Na, that wouldn't really solve our governments deficient. It would be much better to just cut government programs to fit the amount of taxes we currently take in.

Are you serious? Why?

Dunno, why not?

It's just what I believe.

If god is real I'm screwed anyway.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but do you seriously believe that the world is flat RoI?

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but do you seriously believe that the world is flat RoI?

No, I just see no proof that the world is round.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but do you seriously believe that the world is flat RoI?

Welcome to NSG, :D

But, upon researching the subject I came across this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

Thought it was interesting as I had always thought that Galileo was the one who popularized Spherical Earth, and that the Church believing that the Earth was Flat was one of the reasons for his imprisonment...

apparently not the case...

Dunno, why not?

No proof?

It's just what I believe.

You did not say it is what you believe; you said it was "impossible" for a god to exist. There is far more proof that the world is round than there is proof that there is no God. Please explain to me why you are so damned certain there is not God, when you are so skeptical about everything else.

If god is real I'm screwed anyway.

Why?

No, I just see no proof that the world is round.

Umm...there is plenty of proof out there that the world is round....haven't you seen the pictures of the round Earth?
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/images/as11_36_5355.jpg

No proof?

Works both ways.

You did not say it is what you believe; you said it was "impossible" for a god to exist. There is far more proof that the world is round than there is proof that there is no God. Please explain to me why you are so damned certain there is not God, when you are so skeptical about everything else.

I see no proof for either.

I suppose it's just one of my things.

Why?
Cos I don't believe in him.

Umm...there is plenty of proof out there that the world is round....haven't you seen the pictures of the round Earth?
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/images/as11_36_5355.jpg

Ever heard of photoshop?

Works both ways.

I see no proof for either.

I suppose it's just one of my things.

No proof for either direction does not make something "impossible." If you are willing to admit that the world could be flat, you should be more careful with absolutes.

Cos I don't believe in him.

He could hypothetically not give a fuck.

No I've never heard of it, where might I be able to listen to this program?

It's a "progressive" radio station that broadcasts to literally...tens of listeners each day. If you really feel the need, you can find an affiliate here: http://airamerica.com/stations. Or you could bang your head on the wall, the end results the same either way.

Thought it was interesting as I had always thought that Galileo was the one who popularized Spherical Earth, and that the Church believing that the Earth was Flat was one of the reasons for his imprisonment...apparently not the case...

Yeah, you're not the first person I've heard say that. Galileo's trial was more the result of Italian city-state politics, academic grudge-matching, and Galileo's own unpleasant personality and writings then it was evil religious book-burners supressing knowledge.

Ever heard of photoshop?

Yea. The government photoshopped a picture of Earth from space. Eh, I guess It makes sense. (Lolwut?:p)

So I take it you're basically saying you don't believe anything that you don't personally experience then?

It's a "progressive" radio station that broadcasts to literally...tens of listeners each day. If you really feel the need, you can find an affiliate here: http://airamerica.com/stations. Or you could bang your head on the wall, the end results the same either way.

A quick search proves you wrong:

"The network specializes in presentations and monologues by on-air personalities, guest interviews, calls by listeners, and news reports. Air America's most popular host, Lionel, is estimated to have over 1.5 million unique listeners a week.[1]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_America_Media

Yea. The government photoshopped a picture of Earth from space. Eh, I guess It makes sense. (Lolwut?:p)

So I take it you're basically saying you don't believe anything that you don't personally experience then?

Some things he is not sure about (flat earth), others he says are impossible (God).

Yea. The government photoshopped a picture of Earth from space. Eh, I guess It makes sense. (Lolwut?:p)

So I take it you're basically saying you don't believe anything that you don't personally experience then?

No, I am sceptical of anything I don't have experience in.

Hmm. So you don't have experience with either God nor earth shape theories, so that I assume makes you skeptical of both. But to definitively believe that God existence is impossible, according to your logic, you'd have to have experience in the non-existence of God. Does this make sense? Am I making sense?

Hmm. So you don't have experience with either God nor earth shape theories, so that I assume makes you skeptical of both. But to definitively believe that God existence is impossible, according to your logic, you'd have to have experience in the non-existence of God. Does this make sense? Am I making sense?

I have experience in the non existence of god, everyone does.

I have experience in the non existence of god, everyone does.

Nobody does.

A quick search proves you wrong:
Air America's most popular host, Lionel, is estimated to have over 1.5 million unique listeners a week.[1]"

"Well, you did it. Y'all finally caught me. You caught The Tater." I see NSG's inability to see a joke when it's dropped from a great height continues. It's one of the few things more reliable than the sunrise, speaking of the earth revolving...

Maybe I should get subtitles. Of course, that carries the added danger of people mistaking me for a foreign film and quickly changing the channel.

Nobody does.

Everybody does.

Hmm I'm just curious on how you can experience something that, according to you, doesn't exist. Isn't it only possible to experience things in existence?

Didn't religious chappies say that the earth was flat? And then, that the solar system went around us? There's plenty of bullshit in all religious writings, I am not foolish enough to believe a word of it.

Well as it has already been shown the idea that the sun evolved around the sun was touted by Aristotle, his research and scientific teachings lasted well past the Middle Ages. Not all of them but many he was very influential

Dunno, why not?

It's just what I believe.

If god is real I'm screwed anyway.

So you actually believe in something? That is different to what you said earlier about people believing things. There is nothing wrong in believing in something RoI.

"Well, you did it. Y'all finally caught me. You caught The Tater." I see NSG's inability to see a joke when it's dropped from a great height continues. It's one of the few things more reliable than the sunrise, speaking of the earth revolving...

Maybe I should get subtitles. Of course, that carries the added danger of people mistaking me for a foreign film and quickly changing the channel.

You said "literally", so I took you seriously.

Everybody does.


How so?

You said "literally", so I took you seriously.

Guess you learned your lesson there, didn't you, grasshopper? ;) Say hello to 'Comic Hyperbole.' Like I've said before, I'm generally not serious, and even when I am, there's usually a joke in there anyways.

Guess you learned your lesson there, didn't you, grasshopper? ;) Say hello to 'Comic Hyperbole.' Like I've said before, I'm generally not serious, and even when I am, there's usually a joke in there anyways.

Okay. Though "literally" is almost always used to show one is being serious.

Hmm I'm just curious on how you can experience something that, according to you, doesn't exist. Isn't it only possible to experience things in existence?
I worded it badly I meant that no one has had experience with him, not every body had had and experience of not him (Does that make sense?).

So you actually believe in something? That is different to what you said earlier about people believing things. There is nothing wrong in believing in something RoI.

When did I say that?

Okay. Though "literally" is almost always used to show one is being serious.

Which is where the 'hyperbole' in 'comic hyperbole' come in. That's why it's funny. (insert Joker laugh here)

I worded it badly I meant that no one has had experience with him, not every body had had and experience of not him (Does that make sense?).



But there are plenty of people that have claimed to have a spiritual experience of God, I'm one of them. I still however don't see how this matches your initial claim of God's existence being impossible.

(On a side note, thank God that this forum has a spellchecker. So far I would have spelled existence wrong like literally 504544 times without it.)


Ah...insert thank God with something else if it bothers you. :p

But there are plenty of people that have claimed to have a spiritual experience of God, I'm one of them. I still however don't see how this matches your initial claim of God's existence being impossible.
What was it like?
(On a side note, thank God that this forum has a spellchecker. So far I would have spelled existence wrong like literally 504544 times without it.)


Ah...insert thank God with something else if it bothers you. :p

Does it?

I am originally from Canada but I live now in New York. I am confused politically. I am Catholic. I am pro efficiency, pro order, pro technology, and pro structure. I guess that means I am for large governments. I would say slightly to the left of center. I guess that would mean I am a centrist.

Oh really? I haven't really heard too many arguments that call capitalism twisted and evil...I'd be interested in hearing your views further on it, if you don't mind of course.

Gladly.

Perhaps I should start out by clarifying that I don't consider capitalism evil so long as it is regulated. I do however consider unregulated capitalism evil and dangerous to society.

The biggest reason for this is that the big business cannot be trusted to regulate itself. I distrust the ideal of the free market because, in part, I believe that without regulation the companies that get to the top first will use their position to crush attempts at competition. Then their's the fact that corporations can and gladly do fuck over the environment if it creates short-term profit. However, short-term profit does not outweigh the rights of every current and future human being to breath air and drink water without being poisoned. Its not like I'm a Hippy or anything (far to pro-nuclear, for one). But I feel that this right is should be almost on a level with those of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, not least because one's life and happiness are linked to weather you can breath the air without getting sick.

Also, I support certain "socialist" policies for the same reason, especially public health care. Simply put, I don't feel that because someone is poor, they deserve to suffer and die or be driven into bankruptcy when they pick up a disease or have an accident. They don't deserve it because they're poor, they didn't nessissarily bring it on themselves, and in any case, I think we can do better for our citizens than social Darwinism. And free public education is a must too (I would advocate making university free for those with sufficiently high grades), because an educated public is key in running a functioning democracy, and because private education might deny the best education to children who did nothing but be born into a poorer family, while also (in America at least) being frequently synonomous with Creationist/religious education.

I'd just thought that I'd introduce myself before contributing in other threads so....

I'm from the state of Michigan.


Whereabouts? You best not be one of those damn eastsiders.

Gladly.

Perhaps I should start out by clarifying that I don't consider capitalism evil so long as it is regulated. I do however consider unregulated capitalism evil and dangerous to society.

The biggest reason for this is that the big business cannot be trusted to regulate itself. I distrust the ideal of the free market because, in part, I believe that without regulation the companies that get to the top first will use their position to crush attempts at competition. Then their's the fact that corporations can and gladly do fuck over the environment if it creates short-term profit. However, short-term profit does not outweigh the rights of every current and future human being to breath air and drink water without being poisoned. Its not like I'm a Hippy or anything (far to pro-nuclear, for one). But I feel that this right is should be almost on a level with those of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, not least because one's life and happiness are linked to weather you can breath the air without getting sick.

Also, I support certain "socialist" policies for the same reason, especially public health care. Simply put, I don't feel that because someone is poor, they deserve to suffer and die or be driven into bankruptcy when they pick up a disease or have an accident. They don't deserve it because they're poor, they didn't nessissarily bring it on themselves, and in any case, I think we can do better for our citizens than social Darwinism. And free public education is a must too (I would advocate making university free for those with sufficiently high grades), because an educated public is key in running a functioning democracy, and because private education might deny the best education to children who did nothing but be born into a poorer family, while also (in America at least) being frequently synonomous with Creationist/religious education.

Hmm. I'm personally for the protection of the environment myself, simply because the environment belongs to everybody and any action against it is an action against everybody.

I don't think that the government should be in the business of regulating large corporations just because they have the ability to compete more effectively than the smaller guys. Many young entrepreneurs to date have been able to capture market share from the large corporations of the day. It just requires you to be better than everyone at what you do.

I am also becoming more and more increasingly anti-union with all that is happening in Detroit right now; I feel that most of GM's problems at this point can be pinned on the UAW.

As to universal healthcare it seems to me that it's too prone to abuse. I foresee people coming in for every little bump and scrape and costing the taxpayers too much money. Also, I don't think it's fair that society pay people who intentionally do stupid things and get hurt. As to people suffering and dying I honestly don't see that happening in our country, as there are plenty of private charities that are more than happy to help the unfortunate pay there medical bills. I'm also not sure that the governments ability to run things effectively has been proven.


Whereabouts? You best not be one of those damn eastsiders.

Actually I'm located in Ann Arbor. I go to skool at teh collage to lern real good stuf. :p