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So lets say you were in the position of authority over someone. And there would be a benefit to water boarding them(real or imagined) They do not consent to be water boarded.

What would it take for you to water board them ?

Honestly? Coercion. I don't believe it would yield useful information, but I'm not enough of a liar to say I wouldn't do it if there was someone standing behind me promising me vast amounts of pain if I didn't do it. But it would at least take a fair amount of coercion. Like I wouldn't do it if they said I couldn't have sausages for a week.

Honestly? Coercion. I don't believe it would yield useful information, but I'm not enough of a liar to say I wouldn't do it if there was someone standing behind me promising me vast amounts of pain if I didn't do it. But it would at least take a fair amount of coercion. Like I wouldn't do it if they said I couldn't have sausages for a week.

Didn't think of that one poll is already made.

If they were into that sort of thing, :wink:

If they were into that sort of thing, :wink:

I said not consenting. You vote is declared for Money.

I said not consenting. You vote is declared for Money.

What if theyre into not consenting as well? ;)

I wouldn't. Instead, I would have them tell me the information in exchange for not having their entire family ruthlessly killed while they were forced to watch. Hell, I'd wipe out a thousand of them for every one of my troops or officials killed...

So lets say you were in the position of authority over someone. And there would be a benefit to water boarding them(real or imagined) They do not consent to be water boarded.

What would it take for you to water board them ?Boredom.

Only if it was funny.

Only if it was funny.

It is always funny if your the one doing it.

It is always funny if your the one doing it.

Maybe if you limit yourself to a few a week. But 10-12 a day and I'm sure the shine wears off.

At any rate, what I meant is doing one that would be funny during, then funny always: like the Pope.

Or Noam Chomsky.

So lets say you were in the position of authority over someone. And there would be a benefit to water boarding them(real or imagined) They do not consent to be water boarded.

What would it take for you to water board them ?

If they happened to be the Jonas Brothers, I would require no provocation.

If they happened to be the Jonas Brothers, I would require no provocation.

When would you stop ? when they agreed to never wear the promise rings again or jsut keep water boarding them until they were dry.

I'd do it for money, or to find out info, or to find out what it felt like.

so no one who wouldn't do it. NSG fits my ideal then.

so no one who wouldn't do it. NSG fits my ideal then.

There is always viable a reason, like absolute certainty of saving millions of lives.

Money or intelligence sure as fuck would not make me do it, though.

boredom

There is always viable a reason, like absolute certainty of saving millions of lives.

Money or intelligence sure as fuck would not make me do it, though.

how many lives is enough ?

how many lives is enough ?

One, under most circumstances.

Money or intelligence sure as fuck would not make me do it, though.Not even ONE MILLION DOLLARS?

Lots of money and/or threats.

Perhaps the poll should have 'following orders' - seems to be the commonest excuse given by people who carry out torture.

Assuming I were an interrogator with the power to do so, any Moslem terrorist who fell into my hands would be lucky if waterboarding were the extent of it.

If the US didn't have a large percentage of fools, weaklings and self-haters, including the entirety of the present White House regime, this wouldn't even be an issue.

What we should have done from the very beginning was found out what Moslem terrorists fear most, then used that against them, not only to extract intelligence information but to break them, crush them, and destroy their wills. And then made it clear to anyone considering following in their hoofprints that the same thing will happen to them.

What we need is Room 101 for Moslem terrorists.

Instead, the Dark Lord has given them How to Resist Questioning 101. And three traitors and terrorist sympathizers at ABC have Plamed two of their betters.

Anger and boredom combined.

Lives, lives of my family. Not so sure if I would do it if it was just my life though...

What we need is Room 101 for Moslem terrorists.

I've heard that they had something along those lines under Bush.

I would torture someone for information that would save lives.

Maybe I'd also do it because I got really pissed off. Honestly, I need to keep my temper in check.

Not even ONE MILLION DOLLARS?

No.

No.

One billion to waterboard someone who'd killed a baby in front of you?

One billion to waterboard someone who'd killed a baby in front of you?

No. I live in the friggin' U.S.A., where anyone can become rich--provided he is willing to compromise his principles. If I wanted to make money by being an asshole, I would already have started.

No. I live in the friggin' U.S.A., where anyone can become rich--provided he is willing to compromise his principles. If I wanted to make money by being an asshole, I would already have started.

One billion to your preferred charity then?

One billion to your preferred charity then?

Not unless it was absolutely guaranteed to save lives.

If they believe that "waterboarding is not torture". :rolleyes:

One billion to waterboard someone?

This would do it for me... A billion dollars is a lot of money

Not unless it was absolutely guaranteed to save lives.

So you wouldn't waterboard someone who'd killed a baby in order for $1 billion to be donated to your preferred charity?

So you wouldn't waterboard someone who'd killed a baby in order for $1 billion to be donated to your preferred charity?

Not unless it would surely save lives; I do not take torture lightly.

Not unless it would surely save lives; I do not take torture lightly.

Neither do I. I don't consider baby murdering and giving $1 billion to charity small things.

I would waterboardify folks gladly if our brave securitification agencies told me that those folks were tourists with crucial informationings about attacks that would bring great destructification down on our cities and injuries upon incestuous civilians.

Neither do I. I don't consider baby murdering and giving $1 billion to charity small things.

The person's misdeeds would not factor into my choice.

I would waterboardify folks gladly if our brave securitification agencies told me that those folks were tourists with crucial informationings about attacks that would bring great destructification down on our cities and injuries upon incestuous civilians.

^this. :D

What we should have done from the very beginning was found out what Moslem terrorists fear most, then used that against them, not only to extract intelligence information but to break them, crush them, and destroy their wills. And then made it clear to anyone considering following in their hoofprints that the same thing will happen to them.
Perhaps they fear one daying having to compensate as much as you for whatever it is you lack?

I would torture to get information. Waterboarding seems so last year. So I wouldn't go the traditional route of directly torturing the person however would go after his/her family if that were possible. This would be on the condition that doing this torture was to get vital information in war time. Some times you got to do bad things to save lives.

No. I live in the friggin' U.S.A., where anyone can become rich--provided he is willing to compromise his principles. If I wanted to make money by being an asshole, I would already have started.
If this were true, everyone in the USA would be a millionaire.
What if I offered you a million dollars and a sandwich? It is a very good sandwich, spicy barbecue with pickles and onions. I could even throw in some cheese or lettuce, if you wanted.

If this were true, everyone in the USA would be a millionaire.

Everyone here is willing to compromise his principles? My, my, we are quite the cynic.

What if I offered you a million dollars and a sandwich? It is a very good sandwich, spicy barbecue with pickles and onions. I could even throw in some cheese or lettuce, if you wanted.

How much is it valued at? :)

How much is it valued at? :)
Invaluable. For, as the Christ once said, "He that tries to place value on a sandwich knows not what he values. Now give me the goddamn cheeseburger or I will beat your ass."