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First watch this video. (http://www.cracked.com/video_17328_why-having-wolverines-claws-would-suck.html)

Am I the only one who don't think that Wolverine's claws count as a "mutant" power? I mean I understand why they count it as one (to set up a "hilarious" situation), but outside sitcom world, would his claws really be a mutant power? I always understood that Logan had a metal skeleton, hooked up to the claws and that they were surgically implanted.

So Wolverine's claws, "mutant powers" or no?

Wolverine originally had bone claws. When Magneto ripped the adamantium from his skeleton, we saw those bone claws for the first time. So yes, having claws is a mutant power. Having adamantium claws is not.

Wolverine originally had bone claws. When Magneto ripped the adamantium from his skeleton, we saw those bone claws for the first time. So yes, having claws is a mutant power. Having adamantium claws is not.

^This.

I can't see the video, but Wolverine's adamantium skeleton is surgically implanted. His mutant power is super-healing, not super-clawing.

I can't see the video, but Wolverine's adamantium skeleton is surgically implanted. His mutant power is super-healing, not super-clawing.

His mutant powers also include having heightened senses and bone claws.

I can't see the video, but Wolverine's adamantium skeleton is surgically implanted. His mutant power is super-healing, not super-clawing.

The basic premise of the video is that there's a company that offers mutant power for the low low price of $50,000 (USD) per power. Two guys walk in with $15k each wanting Wolverine claws and self healing powers. However the company states that the adamantium claws that wolverine has is considered a power. So they really need $100,000 a piece, hilarity ensues.

Ol' Logan, as folks have said, had claws long before he had his skellington covered in adamantium. His mutant powers, not including his claws, are super-healing, longevity, super-strength, being a bad-ass, impossible hair and a knack for not quite being as cool as Gambit.

That do ya, bub?

EDIT: The video's crap. And poorly researched.

His mutant powers also include having heightened senses and bone claws.

Yeah, I'd forgotten that the claws were actually there before they got adamantium-ified.

...impossible hair...

I always figured his morning superhero routine just involved roughly an entire bottle of hair gel per day. :p

First watch this video. (http://www.cracked.com/video_17328_why-having-wolverines-claws-would-suck.html)

Am I the only one who don't think that Wolverine's claws count as a "mutant" power? I mean I understand why they count it as one (to set up a "hilarious" situation), but outside sitcom world, would his claws really be a mutant power? I always understood that Logan had a metal skeleton, hooked up to the claws and that they were surgically implanted.

So Wolverine's claws, "mutant powers" or no?
You understand incorrectly. The claws and attached muscles which extend them, as well as his amazing ability to heal, are his mutant powers. The metal, adamantium, was bonded to his skeleton and now covers those bones. The claws are bone, covered in metal.

Yes, longtime X-Men fan.

You understand incorrectly. The claws and attached muscles which extend them, as well as his amazing ability to heal, are his mutant powers. The metal, adamantium, was bonded to his skeleton and now covers those bones. The claws are bone, covered in metal.

Yes, longtime X-Men fan.

Ahh, I need to brush up on my X-Men knowledge.

huh, I didn't know that. I thought that the claws were just adamantium and they gave them to him because he'd be able to mutant heal the wounds they caused without much hassle. Learn something new every day.

are we seriously deconstructing a comic sketch? But fine...the metal in his claws is not biological in nature, so that isn't a power. However the muscular/skeletal structure that supports the claws, and the underlying bone, as well as the healing powers that makes it possible to not bleed to death the first time you use them, constitutes a power. So to have "wolverine's claws" would require a set of underlying mutations to make it viable.

huh, I didn't know that. I thought that the claws were just adamantium and they gave them to him because he'd be able to mutant heal the wounds they caused without much hassle. Learn something new every day.

the adamentium covers his entire skeleton, including two sets of mutant bone projections. He always had the claws. The metal was added to them.

I always figured his morning superhero routine just involved roughly an entire bottle of hair gel per day. :p

I assumed that he rarely showered so his hair just kinda stuck in the shape of his mask (? it covers most of his head I'm not sure if it's still a mask).

Also, if I was going to fork over $50,000 per mutant power, I'd try getting Rogue's secondary powers (or rather I guess Ms Marvel's powers before they were stolen).

I assumed that he rarely showered so his hair just kinda stuck in the shape of his mask (? it covers most of his head I'm not sure if it's still a mask).

Also, if I was going to fork over $50,000 per mutant power, I'd try getting Rogue's secondary powers (or rather I guess Ms Marvel's powers before they were stolen).

well that's the thing, rogue's secondary powers were never HERS. She stole them. Rogue's primary power is a bitch, and one nobody would ever want.

are we seriously deconstructing a comic sketch?

Something wrong with doing that? Some people have fun pointing out the flaws of Sci-fi movies and how they go against the laws of physics (I myself participate in that myself), I believe there was a TV show doing exactly that.

What we should do is do a TV show on the episodes on that TV show discussing why that TV show is wrong. :p

But fine...the metal in his claws is not biological in nature, so that isn't a power. However the muscular/skeletal structure that supports the claws, and the underlying bone, as well as the healing powers that makes it possible to not bleed to death the first time you use them, constitutes a power. So to have "wolverine's claws" would require a set of underlying mutations to make it viable.

Thank you

Wolverine originally had bone claws. When Magneto ripped the adamantium from his skeleton, we saw those bone claws for the first time. So yes, having claws is a mutant power. Having adamantium claws is not.

It also boosted (well, rather, the adamantium greatly inhibits) his regenerative powers to previously unimagined levels of retardedness, if I recall.

well that's the thing, rogue's secondary powers were never HERS. She stole them. Rogue's primary power is a bitch, and one nobody would ever want.

Yeah. Although if she had the ability to turn it off, it wouldn't be so bad.... the fact that she can't is really the bad part. I mean, like some of the other mutant powers would be ass if you couldn't turn them off either (for instance if Gambit blew up everything he touched, this would suck for him too).

Something wrong with doing that?

Just seems a little bit....tilting at windmills, no?

Just seems a little bit....tilting at windmills, no?

I don't know what imaginary enemies are we fighting here?

Just seems a little bit....tilting at windmills, no?

Hey, it could be worse. We could be trying to figure out why comic book heroes don't spend more time in the library doing research. :p

I wouldn't mind having Xavier power.

(for instance if Gambit blew up everything he touched, this would suck for him too).

Not as much as it would suck for the typical horny teenager with that power.

:D

Something wrong with doing that? Some people have fun pointing out the flaws of Sci-fi movies and how they go against the laws of physics (I myself participate in that myself), I believe there was a TV show doing exactly that.

What we should do is do a TV show on the episodes on that TV show discussing why that TV show is wrong. :p

Yes, but this clip is sort of like a Wile E. Coyote cartoon...to look for proper research or realism seems a tad strange.

Hey, it could be worse. We could be trying to figure out why comic book heroes don't spend more time in the library doing research. :p

Because it's not in the script! :p

well that's the thing, rogue's secondary powers were never HERS. She stole them. Rogue's primary power is a bitch, and one nobody would ever want.

Wait, now I'm confused again. I thought rogues SOLE (hahahaha) power was to suck the life out of someone thereby gaining their strength. That the 'I take your power' and the 'whilst killing you' bit seemed part of the same package to me. am I missing something?

Yes, but this clip is sort of like a Wile E. Coyote cartoon...to look for proper research or realism seems a tad strange.

Wilie E. Coyote cartoons are targeted to children, and I guess the children at heart. Cracked.com is targeted to a more mature audience, so they should've put in a little bit more research effort into it. Especially since the information is basically at their fingertips. (Internet).

Wilie E. Coyote cartoons are targeted to children, and I guess the children at heart. Cracked.com is targeted to a more mature audience, so they should've put in a little bit more research effort into it. Especially since the information is basically at their fingertips. (Internet).

Wilgrove you really must watch some of the older Loony Toons, which also had jokes for adults as well.

Wait, now I'm confused again. I thought rogues SOLE (hahahaha) power was to suck the life out of someone thereby gaining their strength. That the 'I take your power' and the 'whilst killing you' bit seemed part of the same package to me. am I missing something?

If she does it to a mutant, she gets their mutant powers into the bargain.

Wait, now I'm confused again. I thought rogues SOLE (hahahaha) power was to suck the life out of someone thereby gaining their strength. That the 'I take your power' and the 'whilst killing you' bit seemed part of the same package to me. am I missing something?

Rogue also temporarily steals any mutant power of a mutant she touches. When Rogue came in contact with Ms. Marvel, she absorbed Marvel's powers of flight, super strength, and near invulnerability. However she stole them permanently.

Rogue in the comic has all those powers as "secondary" powers. Rogue in the comic can fly, is super strong, and nearly invulnerable. But these are not "her" powers, these are powers she took from Ms. Marvel. Rogues only true power is the drain ability. And it works on anyone she touches. Whether she wants it to happen or not.

Wait, now I'm confused again. I thought rogues SOLE (hahahaha) power was to suck the life out of someone thereby gaining their strength. That the 'I take your power' and the 'whilst killing you' bit seemed part of the same package to me. am I missing something?
Not their strength, so much as their powers, memories and life. That's the other curse of the power: temporarily, she "becomes" those she borrows from. People she really put the hurt on (like Ms. Marvel) became another personality bouncing around in her head when she takes their powers.

*applauds the geeks for being more detailed when I am lazy* :p

Wilie E. Coyote cartoons are targeted to children, and I guess the children at heart. Cracked.com is targeted to a more mature audience, so they should've put in a little bit more research effort into it. Especially since the information is basically at their fingertips. (Internet).

wait...what? It's. A. Comedy. Show. They wanted to make a joke. So they did.

More to point, one can argue that, as said, the claws, while not a mutant power in and of themselves, rely on a framework of interconnecting and interworking powers. While having metal claws isn't wolverine's power, a normal human could never have them, because they wouldn't survive the process by which he got them.

So yeah, you'd have to "buy" wolverine's mutations in order to have these claws, since you need his mutations in order to survive the process. Which...makes perfect sense in context of the little clip here.

*applauds the geeks for being more detailed when I am lazy* :p

yeah, thanks. it's very VERY clear now. Especially as to why she could fly in the cartoons. I've never really read many Xmen comics myself, was always more of a spiderman girl.

wait...what? It's. A. Comedy. Show. They wanted to make a joke. So they did.

More to point, one can argue that, as said, the claws, while not a mutant power in and of themselves, rely on a framework of interconnecting and interworking powers. While having metal claws isn't wolverine's power, a normal human could never have them, because they wouldn't survive the process by which he got them.

So yeah, you'd have to "buy" wolverine's mutations in order to have these claws, since you need his mutations in order to survive the process. Which...makes perfect sense in context of the little clip here.

Ok granted you need Wolverine's rapid self healing ability in order to have the claws, otherwise you'll just bleed to death and be in horrible pain, but I still don't think the claws themselves should be counted as a "power".

Ok granted you need Wolverine's rapid self healing ability in order to have the claws, otherwise you'll just bleed to death and be in horrible pain, but I still don't think the claws themselves should be counted as a "power".

What else would they really be? I mean, you kinda need a completely different musculoskeletal structure than a normal human, and having your body work completely differently than normal humans is...pretty much what a superpower is.

Now as to the power I'd like: Nightcrawler's teleportation. I'd love it. BAMF! I'm instantly in my shower. BAMF! From my classroom to the teacher's room, instantaneously. BAMF! "What's this? browsing the 'net for the answer to question four on our test? Thanks, I'll hold that till your parents come get it."

;)

What else would they really be? I mean, you kinda need a completely different musculoskeletal structure than a normal human, and having your body work completely differently than normal humans is...pretty much what a superpower is.

Ok fine, it's a super power in that context.

I still would buy Xavier's telekinesis power for 50k.

Ok granted you need Wolverine's rapid self healing ability in order to have the claws, otherwise you'll just bleed to death and be in horrible pain, but I still don't think the claws themselves should be counted as a "power".
Do you have three foot long bone claws that you can flex through your skin?
Do other humans?
Were they put there through science? or are they 'naturally' occuring?

Now as to the power I'd like: Nightcrawler's teleportation. I'd love it. BAMF! I'm instantly in my shower. BAMF! From my classroom to the teacher's room, instantaneously. BAMF! "What's this? browsing the 'net for the answer to question four on our test? Thanks, I'll hold that till your parents come get it."

;)

Yea, but wouldn't you basically die every time you teleport since every atom and cell in your body would have to break apart in order for you to teleport to another location? I think that would kinda suck.

Now as to the power I'd like: Nightcrawler's teleportation. I'd love it. BAMF! I'm instantly in my shower. BAMF! From my classroom to the teacher's room, instantaneously. BAMF! "What's this? browsing the 'net for the answer to question four on our test? Thanks, I'll hold that till your parents come get it."

;)

Nightcrawler always was my favourite. It would also lead directly to my death.

*teleports into bakery, steals 40 cakes, teleports back home. walks into chinese restaurant, orders lots of food, eats, teleports home again... and over and over again with the excessive food consumption until I die or collapse into a black hole. Whichever comes first.

Ok fine, it's a super power in that context.

I still would buy Xavier's telekinesis power for 50k.
Xavier doesn't have telekinesis. He's a telepath.
Phoenix had (has? always hard to tell with her) the TK.

Now as to the power I'd like: Nightcrawler's teleportation. I'd love it. BAMF! I'm instantly in my shower. BAMF! From my classroom to the teacher's room, instantaneously. BAMF! "What's this? browsing the 'net for the answer to question four on our test? Thanks, I'll hold that till your parents come get it."

;)

I dunno, though - at a certain point, I fear you'd get sick of hearing BAMF all the time, and start wishing for a new sound effect. :p

Do you have three foot long bone claws that you can flex through your skin?
Do other humans?
Were they put there through science? or are they 'naturally' occuring?

No, if I did, I would probably be in jail.
Nope
and at first I thought they were surgically put there as an experiment, but thanks to the post in the thread, the claws were originally bones, and they got casted in metal.

Xavier doesn't have telekinesis. He's a telepath.
Phoenix had (has? always hard to tell with her) the TK.

Telekinesis, Telepath, whichever gives me the ability to mess with people's mind, is the one I want.

Yea, but wouldn't you basically die every time you teleport since every atom and cell in your body would have to break apart in order for you to teleport to another location? I think that would kinda suck.
What? No, it's not a disintegration. He leaves this dimension, steps through another briefly, and comes out where he wants to on the other side.

Your confusion over these very simple matters is disturbing, Mr. Wilgrove. For homework, go home and study X-Men #101. ;)

Now as to the power I'd like: Nightcrawler's teleportation. I'd love it. BAMF! I'm instantly in my shower. BAMF! From my classroom to the teacher's room, instantaneously. BAMF! "What's this? browsing the 'net for the answer to question four on our test? Thanks, I'll hold that till your parents come get it."

;)

Well, except for the fact that nightcrawler's transportation does require him to, temporarily, slip in and out of a hell dimension and he has, on occasion, gotten stuck there.

What? No, it's not a disintegration. He leaves this dimension, steps through another briefly, and comes out where he wants to on the other side.

Ahh ok. I thought it was teleportation.

Ahh ok. I thought it was teleportation.

it...is. He teleports by traveling from this dimension into another, then back out.

it...is. He teleports by traveling from this dimension into another, then back out.

I'll be quiet now.

Well, except for the fact that nightcrawler's transportation does require him to, temporarily, slip in and out of a hell dimension and he has, on occasion, gotten stuck there.
I teach. I'm temporarily stuck in a hell dimension five days a week for ten months of the year. ;) I think I could manage.

His mutant powers, not including his claws, are super-healing, longevity, super-strength, being a bad-ass, impossible hair and a knack for not quite being as cool as Gambit.

Wolverine is way cooler than Gambit, who always struck me as being kind of a douchebag.

are we seriously deconstructing a comic sketch?

Well, not every post can be an intellectual veneer over a hatred of organized religion, you know, someone's got to do the lighter stuff.

Wolverine is way cooler than Gambit, who always struck me as being kind of a douchebag.They're both douchebags; Gambit just edges Wolverine out of the 'coolest douchebag' spot.

They're both douchebags; Gambit just edges Wolverine out of the 'coolest douchebag' spot.

No way. Wolverine is a bad-ass. Gambit just stands around with that stupid smirk on his face and occasionally throws a playing card at someone. Lame.

Am I the only one who don't think that Wolverine's claws count as a "mutant" power? I mean I understand why they count it as one (to set up a "hilarious" situation), but outside sitcom world, would his claws really be a mutant power?
He has bone claws as part of his skeleton.

I'd call that a mutation.


[I]Wolverine is way cooler than Gambit, who always struck me as being kind of a douchebag...

Gambit just stands around with that stupid smirk on his face and occasionally throws a playing card at someone. Lame.
Wha...?

Gambit's the head of the Thieves Guild, can charge anything with massive kinetic energy, is able to square up to a mutie with a strength like Wolverine, can sass the pants off of anyone, is much more of a rebel/dark horse than Logan will ever be, constantly mixing it up with all sorts of dodgy characters, and
ultimately betrays and kills the X-Men.

Gambit's the head of the Thieves Guild, can charge anything with massive kinetic energy, is able to square up to a mutie with a strength like Wolverine, can sass the pants off of anyone, is much more of a rebel/dark horse than Logan will ever be, constantly mixing it up with all sorts of dodgy characters, and ultimately betrays and kills the X-Men.

Thievery is a lazy man's living, and as for the spoiler, that just proves his ultimate douchebaggery.

Ol' Logan, as folks have said, had claws long before he had his skellington covered in adamantium. His mutant powers, not including his claws, are super-healing, longevity, super-strength, being a bad-ass, impossible hair and a knack for not quite being as cool as Gambit.

That do ya, bub?

EDIT: The video's crap. And poorly researched.

Oh no, Wolvie is way cooler than Gambit. Wolvie is way sexier than Gambit (or any of the other male mutants, imho).

I'd have Doc Mahattan's powers any day.Anything that gives me a giant blue penis to dangle about happily is a-okay in my book. His other powers are pretty neat too. He's God Smurf.

As if you wouldn't have Mystique's powers? I mean, yeah, she's a BIT of a pansy, but her powers are wicked... you could pretend to be anyone you want! I could make myself a mega-hot girl with a super strong and flexible tongue... all my sexual fantasies could be fulfilled!

As if you wouldn't have Mystique's powers? I mean, yeah, she's a BIT of a pansy, but her powers are wicked... you could pretend to be anyone you want! I could make myself a mega-hot girl with a super strong and flexible tongue... all my sexual fantasies could be fulfilled!

You intrigue and scare me at the same time.

As if you wouldn't have Mystique's powers? I mean, yeah, she's a BIT of a pansy, but her powers are wicked... you could pretend to be anyone you want! I could make myself a mega-hot girl with a super strong and flexible tongue... all my sexual fantasies could be fulfilled!

-all- of them. Really? Cause I think you may be telling porkies. :P

I assumed that he rarely showered so his hair just kinda stuck in the shape of his mask (? it covers most of his head I'm not sure if it's still a mask).

Sometimes he cuts his hair, but the first time any injury triggers his healing factor to kick in, his hair regrows into that shape again. :p

I'd like Nathan Summers/Nate Grey/Cable's mutant powers unfettered by techno-organic viruses.

All that waisted money and effort to make a movie that is not called "The Green Hornet"
*sigh*

Wolverine's powers:
(pre reboot. aka. before Unlimited series)
healing ability. regeneration of tissue to have a 'healing' effect. side effects of the healing factor is hightened senses, longetivity, resistance to poisions (yes, he cannot get drunk, he explained that to Storm when she found out that he only 'acted' drunk.) the speed of the regeneration was actually hampered by the Adamatium. once removed, he was run over by a car and it was noted by Cerebro's sensors that his bones were knitted almost as soon as they were broken.

Bone Claws, it can be argued on whether or not the claws are a seperate power or another effect of his healing ability. after all, there is no natual 'passageway' though is wrists and hands for the claws to extrude. (explained in the X-men episodes after his admantium was removed.)

it can be noted that after the admantium was removed, Logan actually 'regressed' into an animalistic state. again, it can be argued whether or not it's due to his 'healing factor'.

however, after the introduction of the Unlimited X-men series... who knows.

concerning the video... I would've gone with the healing...

Sometimes he cuts his hair, but the first time any injury triggers his healing factor to kick in, his hair regrows into that shape again. :p

nope. his hair automatically regrows. it was shown in one issue. he gave himself a military crew cut and by the end of the issue, it grew back to it's original length.

Wait, now I'm confused again. I thought rogues SOLE (hahahaha) power was to suck the life out of someone thereby gaining their strength. That the 'I take your power' and the 'whilst killing you' bit seemed part of the same package to me. am I missing something?
Does this help?
Rogue[1] is a fictional character in most of the Marvel Comics award-winning X-Men related titles. She was created by author Chris Claremont and artist Michael Golden, and debuted in Avengers Annual #10 (August 1981) as a villain. Rogue was born as a mutant. More so than any other, Rogue considers her powers a curse: she involuntarily absorbs the memories, physical strength, and (in the case of superpowered persons) the abilities of anyone she touches. This potentially fatal power prevents her from making any physical contact with others, including her longtime on-again off-again love interest, Gambit.

Hailing from Caldecott, Mississippi (a fictional county), Rogue is the X-Men's self-described southern belle. A runaway, she was adopted by Mystique of the Brotherhood of Mutants and grew up as a villain. After Rogue permanently absorbed Ms. Marvel's psyche and Kree powers, she reformed and turned to the X-Men, fearing for her sanity. Writer Chris Claremont played a significant role in the character's subsequent development. Rogue is unusual among the X-Men as her real name and her early history were not revealed until more than twenty years after her introduction; until the back story provided by Robert Rodi in the ongoing Rogue series, began in September 2004, Rogue's background was only hinted at; her name was revealed as Anna Marie.[2]

Rogue has been one of the most popular and consistent members of the X-Men since the 1980s. She was #5 on IGN's Top 25 X-Men list for 2006,[3] #4 on their Top Ten X-Babes list for 2006,[4] #3 on Marvel's list of Top 10 Toughest Females for 2009[5] and was given title of #1 X-Man on CBR's top 50 X-Men of All Time for 2008.[6] Rogue has been featured in all X-Men animated series and various video games. In the X-Men film series, she is portrayed by Academy Award winner Anna Paquin. Her visual cue is often the white streak that runs through her hair.

Do you have three foot long bone claws that you can flex through your skin?
Unfortunately, no...
Do other humans?
None that I've met...
Were they put there through science?
Nope
or are they 'naturally' occuring?
This /\

Yeah, even without Adamantium he has bone claws, can you make bone claws come out from between your fingers?

thats a mutant power, lol...

His claws aren't his power, his healing factor is.

His claws aren't his power, his healing factor is.

As has been covered multiple times already, yes, they are a part of his powers.

As has been covered multiple times already, yes, they are a part of his powers.

*stabs*

Prove me wrong, will you.

*stabs*

Prove me wrong, will you.

*heals*

Yup

As if you wouldn't have Mystique's powers? I mean, yeah, she's a BIT of a pansy, but her powers are wicked... you could pretend to be anyone you want! I could make myself a mega-hot girl with a super strong and flexible tongue... all my sexual fantasies could be fulfilled!

Mystique's power?

nah, I would rather this guy's power (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Molecule_Man).

Mystique's power?

nah, I would rather this guy's power (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Molecule_Man).

Pfft, I know how to beat him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_Eater_Lad

-all- of them. Really? Cause I think you may be telling porkies. :P

Well, when you consider that I'd have the ability to manipulate my body into anybody else I want, I would be able to do anything with anyone I like. And most importantly, I'd be able to do it and get away with it. That's the really good part.

Pfft, I know how to beat him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_Eater_Lad

or you could just get Dr. Manhattan's super cheap powers.

Pfft, I know how to beat him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_Eater_Lad

or you could just get Dr. Manhattan's super cheap powers.

well, if we're not sticking to the Marvel Universe... then give me Haruhi Suzuiya's power.

Dr Where? What Eater?