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UK Combat Operations in Iraq end today.

Londim
30-04-2009, 11:38
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8026136.stm



British combat operations in Iraq will come to an end on Thursday lunchtime with a handover to American forces.

The move, a month ahead of schedule, ends a six-year UK military presence.

A memorial service has taken place in Basra for the 179 British personnel who have died during the conflict, attended by Defence Secretary John Hutton.

The focus was a memorial wall featuring the names of the 234 UK and foreign troops who lost their lives while serving under British command in Iraq.

The official end of operations will come when the UK's 20 Armoured Brigade hands over to an American brigade at 1215 BST.
“ I think when the history is written of this campaign, they will say of the British military 'we did a superb job' ”
John Hutton Defence Secretary

British forces began their official pull-out last month when the UK's commander in the south of the country, Maj Gen Andy Salmon, handed over to a US general.

They took a step closer to withdrawal at the start of the year when Basra International Airport - used as a UK military base during the conflict - was passed to full Iraqi control.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who is holding talks with Iraqi counterpart Nouri al-Maliki at Downing Street, said: "Today we are taking steps to strengthen and deepen our relationship and to make it a long-term partnership of equals.

"Today marks the closing chapter of the combat mission in Iraq. The flag of 20 Armoured Brigade will be lowered as British combat patrols in Basra come to an end and our armed forces prepare to draw down."

'Ultimate sacrifice'

The names of those who died on the UK's Operation Telic were read out at the memorial service, which included Italian, Dutch, Danish, American and Romanian troops.

Army chaplain Father Pascal Hanrahan, who opened the ceremony, said: "Today is about remembrance and thanksgiving.

"We remember by name and acknowledge the ultimate sacrifice paid by the 234 men and women who lost their lives during Operation Telic."

The last post was sounded by a bugler and prayers were said. There was also a roar overhead as a lone Tornado aircraft conducted a fly-past in tribute.

Lt Col Edward Chamberlain, commanding officer of Iraq-based battalion 5 Rifles, said: "We've been slowly working, as part of a coalition together over the six years, to achieve an end-state which is an Iraq which is secure, happy, at peace with itself and its neighbours.

"We're slowly but surely transitioning towards that."

Mr Hutton said the UK should be proud of what its troops had achieved.

"It's been a long and hard campaign. There's been no question about that, and we've paid a very high price," he said.

"And the families of those who've lost loved ones here today will be thinking very hard about that - and we should all as well.

"But I think when the history is written of this campaign, they will say of the British military 'we did a superb job', as we would expect them to, and we should be very proud of what they have done here."

Inquiry call

Opposition leader David Cameron has called for an immediate full inquiry into the Iraq war, similar to the one carried out by the Franks Committee into the Falklands conflict.

He said: "The departure of British forces from Iraq is now imminent.

"Now, after years of foot dragging, I believe it is the time for the government to announce a proper Franks-style inquiry. Instead of starting in many months' time, it should start right now.

"There are vital lessons to learn and we need to learn them rapidly and the only justification for delay can, I'm afraid, be a political one."

BBC News defence correspondent Caroline Wyatt says there is a sense of relief for many British servicemen and women that their final tour of Iraq is winding down.

Some are now serving on their fourth tour, taking them away from home for two years out of the last six.

Our correspondent says many of them will look back with mixed emotions.

Southern Iraq is more peaceful than it was a year ago but when British forces invaded Iraq as part of the US-led coalition in 2003 few people imagined troops would still be in the country six years later.

As British forces prepare to leave Iraq, senior commanders admit they have learned lessons from the campaign.

It was a conflict that showed the strengths and weaknesses of the British armed forces.

There were acts of great heroism but also a force that came under great strain, fighting on two fronts - in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Asked about the UK presence in Iraq, the country's president, Jalal Talabani, told BBC News: "This is a mission of liberation. For the first time British forces in Iraq are playing this role.

"In the past the British forces came to occupy against the will of the Iraqi people. This time they came here to liberate Iraqi people from the worst kind of dictatorship."

So it's finally over for us Brits, well the combat in Iraq anyway. Of course there will be some soldiers remaining to train Iraqi forces but all in all this is a positive step. Gives Iraq some of its sovereignty back and allows the UK to focus more on Afghanistan.

What are your thoughts?
PartyPeoples
30-04-2009, 12:00
I think this is a good thing also - our stretched resources shouldn't be quite so stretched anymore and it kind of smacked the public in the face with the fact that our conventional forces are dangerously under-resourced when compared to the tasks they are meant to be able to do in the "mission statements".

The news reports seem to show a mostly improved landscape which looks to be free from the oppression/mob rule of insurgents and militias... although the place is rife with corruption so who knows eh? Basic utilities still aren't maintained to a reliable standard so the populace seems quick to judge the British forces; which is totally understandeable.

All in all, it's probably a good thing we're withdrawing but I have no doubt the area would spiral into despotism not long after American forces withdraw from the area.
SaintB
30-04-2009, 12:06
I think its a good thing, but sadly it also means more work for my brother and other American soldiers because we are too stupid to pull the fuck out.
Rambhutan
30-04-2009, 12:56
Poor bastards will probably be sent to Afghanistan instead.
The imperian empire
30-04-2009, 13:03
Good.
The blessed Chris
30-04-2009, 13:10
Bloody good thing.
The One Eyed Weasel
30-04-2009, 15:53
Poor bastards will probably be sent to Afghanistan instead.

This. Definitely.
greed and death
30-04-2009, 15:55
Poor bastards will probably be sent to Afghanistan instead.

That's what we have been conning our allies into just as things heat up in Afghanistan and cool down in Iraq.
Conserative Morality
30-04-2009, 15:58
Ah, good. Now we can act like we're sorting out the mess that is Afghanistan and get the fuck out of there.
Eofaerwic
30-04-2009, 17:21
Poor bastards will probably be sent to Afghanistan instead.

Pretty much - though it does give us a chance to get the normal combat operations rotation going again, ie actually giving our troops a certain amount of time in-between combat tours.
The Parkus Empire
30-04-2009, 17:23
Poor bastards will probably be sent to Afghanistan instead.

Why did you have to ruin my brief moment of happiness with your reminder of reality? :(
Call to power
30-04-2009, 17:40
tea and medals all round!

Iraq-based battalion 5 Rifles

oh god what have we done! :O

I think its a good thing, but sadly it also means more work for my brother and other American soldiers because we are too stupid to pull the fuck out.

not really we've pulled out because as far as the MOD is concerned the job is done

Pretty much - though it does give us a chance to get the normal combat operations rotation going again, ie actually giving our troops a certain amount of time in-between combat tours.

what do you think a few months in sunny Iraq was?
Eofaerwic
30-04-2009, 17:46
what do you think a few months in sunny Iraq was?

I don't think even the MoD is going to try and sell that one :p
Call to power
30-04-2009, 18:05
I don't think even the MoD is going to try and sell that one :p

just put a few empty beer cans about the place and say its Manchester :p
Eofaerwic
30-04-2009, 18:09
just put a few empty beer cans about the place and say its Manchester :p

I think it's more often been compared to Portsmouth, no decent booze, no whores and a chance of getting shot at.
Ashmoria
30-04-2009, 18:24
thank you for your participation.

sure it was a stupid ugly mess but its good to have friends when you are doing the wrong thing.
Heikoku 2
30-04-2009, 18:30
Good, you should have left sooner or never entered, but better late than never. I hear Afghanistan or England are both lovely this time of the year. Buh-bye!
Call to power
30-04-2009, 18:46
sure it was a stupid ugly mess but its good to have friends when you are doing the wrong thing.

course you totally owe us now *points at India*

Good, you should have left sooner or never entered, but better late than never.

nah the security situation in Iraq needed to be in good order before troops left had we left sooner we may well be going back and forth to Iraq for another century

plus if we just left things to the spams lord knows what would of happened :eek2:
JuNii
30-04-2009, 18:46
What are your thoughts?

Thanks for the help and assist. condolences to the families of those slain during our folly.
The imperian empire
30-04-2009, 18:57
Its nice to see some grateful Americans, it really is :)
Dumb Ideologies
30-04-2009, 18:58
The end of an error.
Trve
30-04-2009, 19:03
Cut and runnin eh? :P
The South Islands
30-04-2009, 19:30
Poor bastards will probably be sent to Afghanistan instead.

From the frying pan to the fire... (http://www.military.com/news/article/afghanistan-pakistan-attacks-spiking.html?col=1186032310810&wh=wh)
Ashmoria
30-04-2009, 19:35
course you totally owe us now *points at India*

youre going to invade india?

count us in!
DaWoad
30-04-2009, 19:49
youre going to invade india?

count us in!

oh so not worth it. . .I mean the Indians have enough trouble running india the States Trying it would be laughable
Chernobyl-Pripyat
30-04-2009, 19:54
oh so not worth it. . .I mean the Indians have enough trouble running india the States Trying it would be laughable

not to mention all tech support would be down globally :rolleyes:
No Names Left Damn It
30-04-2009, 20:13
Good, you should have left sooner or never entered, but better late than never. I hear Afghanistan or England are both lovely this time of the year. Buh-bye!

England =/= UK.
Heikoku 2
30-04-2009, 20:46
England =/= UK.

Ok, sorry about that.
JuNii
30-04-2009, 20:49
not to mention all tech support would be down globally :rolleyes:

that would be one way to get those tech Support jobs BACK to the US...
Ashmoria
30-04-2009, 20:58
oh so not worth it. . .I mean the Indians have enough trouble running india the States Trying it would be laughable
the value of it will be set by the UK. we are just following them into folly. its what friends do.
Call to power
30-04-2009, 21:58
Its nice to see some grateful Americans, it really is :)

bloody Amerikkkans claiming they did the whole damn war :mad:

youre going to invade india?

count us in!

no silly we are going to set up a ruthless monopoly that will bleed India of every penny it has!

or rather we will just let Nike do its thing and declare victory :wink:

oh so not worth it. . .I mean the Indians have enough trouble running india the States Trying it would be laughable

if about 25 English accountants can do it for a few hundred years imagine what an IT manager will do with the place!
Ashmoria
30-04-2009, 22:00
no silly we are going to set up a ruthless monopoly that will bleed India of every penny it has!

or rather we will just let Nike do its thing and declare victory :wink:


how negligent of you to not have done this decades ago. what were y'all thinking?
Call to power
30-04-2009, 22:11
how negligent of you to not have done this decades ago. what were y'all thinking?

actually we have been rather busy future tobacco slave (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benheine/1120787107/);)
Ashmoria
30-04-2009, 22:28
actually we have been rather busy future tobacco slave (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benheine/1120787107/);)
i had no idea that y'all were in the tobacco biz.