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He drowned, hung and electrocuted losing dogs, rather than use his millions to at least give them a decent retirement. And just running a dog fight racket is pretty scummy too. But:
http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/11692419

During the week of the NFL Draft one team had an unusual conversation, a conversation that seemed unfathomable only a few years ago. It was about the signability of pre-eminent pit bull racketeer man Mike Vick.

The conversation, a team source said, was surprising not just because the topic of signing Vick was discussed extensively, but because there was agreement in the room: Signing Vick was something the team should seriously pursue if he were ever to be reinstated by the league.

Several league and team sources said such talks are occurring inside team offices around the NFL far more than people know. Those sources also say that the interested teams, numbering around a half-dozen, are interested in acquiring Vick solely as a quarterback, not a running back or wide receiver.

"There are more teams interested in signing Vick than they want to admit publicly," said one general manager, who asked not to be identified.

I've written before that Vick would return to the NFL, but as time goes by and memories fade about the pure atrocity of Vick's actions, the more emboldened teams are becoming over the idea of actually signing him.



Thoughts?

Any team that signs him ought be boycotted.

surely PETA would go after any team that signs him.

Any team that signs him ought be boycotted.

I second this.

Is it wrong of me to want to hear of him being maimed by dogs? Not killed mind you, just maimed. I'd like him to lead a long dull life alone with his misery. Killing is so uncreative.

surely PETA would go after any team that signs him.

I know there's a joke there somewhere ...

This will keep coming up until Vick is too old to play, I suppose. Rather like the way people want to give Pete Rose a pass and let him into the Hall of Fame.

I don't think he will produce a good season if signed, too many years away from professional trainers.

Is it wrong of me to want to hear of him being maimed by dogs? Not killed mind you, just maimed. I'd like him to lead a long dull life alone with his misery. Killing is so uncreative.

No, not at all. And I personally think we should release wild dogs (not rabid ones) into the locker rooms of whatever team signs him.

No, not at all. And I personally think we should release wild dogs (not rabid ones) into the locker rooms of whatever team signs him.

Can you imagine the reaction when his team plays Cleveland? Or if it IS Cleveland?

I thought he'd been jailed for his crimes? If not, whyever not? One needs to provide negative reinforcement for evil people alongside positive reinforcement for good people.

Also, I can't believe anyone's thinking of signing him. Doesn't he have "PR disaster" permanently branded on his soul now? Are these people amnesiac?

I thought he'd been jailed for his crimes? If not, whyever not? One needs to provide negative reinforcement for evil people alongside positive reinforcement for good people.

Also, I can't believe anyone's thinking of signing him. Doesn't he have "PR disaster" permanently branded on his soul now? Are these people amnesiac?

Sadly many of the people who pay for NFL tickets don't care.

Wouldn't the team be afraid of losing respect/fan base?

Do the crime, pay the time--or so the theory goes.

Wouldn't the team be afraid of losing respect/fan base?

You haven't accepted the Almighty Dollar as your personal saviour, have you?

I doubt any team would really sign Vick but I am not surprised at there having been talk about it during the draft.

If he is let back in by the NFL, Im done with the NFL.

If he is let back in by the NFL, Im done with the NFL.

College football is much better anyway.

Who here thinks ex-convicts should be banned from holding jobs? Or just jobs that pay more than you would like?

The key is that he needs to be re-instated by the NFL. I doubt that will happen.

If he is, I have no doubt that he'll be picked up by a team with deep pockets and no conscience. There's always someone that thinks they can get an edge.

Besides, Latrell Spreewell (sp?) didn't have a hard time finding a team after choking his coach over some disagreement.

Who here thinks ex-convicts should be banned from holding jobs? Or just jobs that pay more than you would like?

Difficult. I think I would have to decide that on a case-by-case basis factoring in the crime, job in question, whether I feel the sentence was sufficient and how much of a dickhead the ex-con is. Clearly very few people are qualified to judge such cases and even more clearly, I am one of them. *nod*

Who here thinks ex-convicts should be banned from holding jobs?
Not at all. Otherwise they just end up committing crimes again.
Or just jobs that pay more than you would like?
I think sociopaths should be barred from jobs that make millions. Especially when said sociopath only did a year or so in prison because of his extraordinary wealth.

Id be much less angry if he had actually served time that fit his crime.

Difficult. I think I would have to decide that on a case-by-case basis factoring in the crime, job in question, whether I feel the sentence was sufficient and how much of a dickhead the ex-con is. Clearly very few people are qualified to judge such cases and even more clearly, I am one of them. *nod*

What about a murderer or a rapist?

Difficult. I think I would have to decide that on a case-by-case basis factoring in the crime, job in question, whether I feel the sentence was sufficient and how much of a dickhead the ex-con is. Clearly very few people are qualified to judge such cases and even more clearly, I am one of them. *nod*

You know, I think I would be totally OK with you being the judge in such cases.

Scary huh?

What about a murderer or a rapist?

Not enough information. What job? How long was he in jail? Is he a dickhead?

I might allow a man who served his time as a murderer or rapist take a job as an auto mechanic but probably not as a camp counselor. :p

What about a murderer or a rapist?

Again, if they actually did sufficent time for their crime, I would be fine.

In this case, Vick didnt do nearly enough.

You know, I think I would be totally OK with you being the judge in such cases.

Scary huh?

Very. :)

Who here thinks ex-convicts should be banned from holding jobs? Or just jobs that pay more than you would like?

No.

Very. :)

I figure that at worst, you would allow them to take back their high paying jobs, but then make sure they are never comfortable, sleep well, or get a moment to clean the mud off their clothes.

Not at all. Otherwise they just end up committing crimes again.

Unfortunately, many cannot get jobs.

I think sociopaths should be barred from jobs that make millions. Especially when said sociopath only did a year or so in prison because of his extraordinary wealth.

A: Why should a sociopath not make much money for his talent?

B: Please give me a source that this man is actually a sociopath.

Especially when said sociopath only did a year or so in prison because of his extraordinary wealth.

Id be much less angry if he had actually served time that fit his crime.

Do you think he would have a greater chance of reforming if he spent more time in prison?

Is it wrong of me to want to hear of him being maimed by dogs? Not killed mind you, just maimed. I'd like him to lead a long dull life alone with his misery. Killing is so uncreative.

Interesting. I was thinking along the lines of some of the "SAW" traps. We chain him to a toilet. Have a gun shoot him in the ass if he uses the toilet. Dump pig guts on him at random intervals. Then squish him with two big ice cubes. But have the dogs watching from behind a glass window.

Is that wrong? :D

Unfortunately, many cannot get jobs.
Which is bad, but a whole different thread, comrade.
A: Why should a sociopath not make much money for his talent?
Well, aside from athletes being way overpaid anyway...
B: Please give me a source that this man is actually a sociopath.
I use the term loosely, but are we going to deny that someone who maims, tortures, and murders animals for enjoyment displays sociopathic tendencies?
Do you think he would have a greater chance of reforming if he spent more time in prison?
Hard to say. But at the very least he'll have paid his debt to society.

Vick has not.

I figure that at worst, you would allow them to take back their high paying jobs, but then make sure they are never comfortable, sleep well, or get a moment to clean the mud off their clothes.

Yes, well one doesn't necessarily have to commit a crime to get that sort of treatment from me. ;)

Not enough information. What job?

Football player?

How long was he in jail?

Long enough to satisfy the judge.

Is he a dickhead?

Well, supposing he raped and murdered a woman, he probably is not the kindest fellow.

Interesting. I was thinking along the lines of some of the "SAW" traps. We chain him to a toilet. Have a gun shoot him in the ass if he uses the toilet. Dump pig guts on him at random intervals. Then squish him with two big ice cubes. But have the dogs watching from behind a glass window.

Is that wrong? :D

The ice cubes are just cruel. *nod*

Football player?



Long enough to satisfy the judge.



Well, supposing he raped and murdered a woman, he probably is not the kindest fellow.

Professional athletes are supposed to be role models. I don't think I'm comfortable with having my kids emulate a murderer or rapist.

I use the term loosely, but are we going to deny that someone who maims, tortures, and murders animals for enjoyment displays sociopathic tendencies?

Yup. I would not say that hunters typically display sociopaths tendencies.

Hard to say. But at the very least he'll have paid his debt to society.

Vick has not.

How much "debt to society" (which basically involves society paying for food and lodging) would satiate you?

Bastard.

Professional athletes are supposed to be role models.

Says who?









EDIT: And why can a reformed criminal not be a role-model?

Says who?

The same people who want to ban chewing tobacco in baseball.

Says who?

The NFL.

EDIT: And why can a reformed criminal not be a role-model?

For the same reason he can't be a kindergarten teacher. :p

Yup. I would not say that hunters typically display sociopaths tendencies.
Well, I would. Provided its purely sport hunting.

Especially considering psychology dictates that one of the marks of a sociopath is torturing animals.

How much "debt to society" (which basically involves society paying for food and lodging) would satiate you?

More then one fucking year.

Well, I would. Provided its purely sport hunting.

So Roy Rogers was sociopathic? How creepy.

Especially considering psychology dictates that one of the marks of a sociopath is torturing animals.

And how would you propose to reform such persons?

More then one fucking year.

How...long...? How much "blood" would satisfy you?

The NFL.

Source?

For the same reason he can't be a kindergarten teacher. :p

He cannot?

The same people who want to ban chewing tobacco in baseball.

:D

I am not a sports-fan, but I think anybody who chooses his role-models by their ability to throw a ball or run needs to have his head examined. Fuck, how many athletes are "good" humans?

How...long...? How much "blood" would satisfy you?

I snipped the rest because we're starting to move away from the topic of the thread (which is mostly my own fault, and I would be glad to discuss it in a thread on topic), and will just respond to this.

I dont know. Im not a judge. But can anyone truely say that 1 year is enough for someone who not only ran a dog fighting ring, but then maimed and tortured and finally killed animals that failed?

I dont think anyone can. Vick got off so light because he's rich, famous, and plea bargined in the media spotlight. Its a travesty. He didnt get justice. He got a slap on the hand during a media circus.

I snipped the rest because we're starting to move away from the topic of the thread (which is mostly my own fault, and I would be glad to discuss it in a thread on topic), and will just respond to this.

I dont know. Im not a judge. But can anyone truely say that 1 year is enough for someone who not only ran a dog fighting ring, but then maimed and tortured and finally killed animals that failed?

I dont think anyone can. Vick got off so light because he's rich, famous, and plea bargined in the media spotlight. Its a travesty. He didnt get justice. He got a slap on the hand during a media circus.

So you think he should not be allowed in the NFL because he did not receive punishment sufficient to your taste?

So you think he should not be allowed in the NFL because he did not receive punishment sufficient to your taste?

Because he didnt recieve justice. Really, does anyone think that one year in prison for the long list of crimes committed is justice?

Ill back off it the majority thinks he did fair time. Not because I believe in mob justice, but because I really dont think its 'just me'.

Because he didnt recieve justice. Really, does anyone think that one year in prison for the long list of crimes committed is justice?

Ill back off it the majority thinks he did fair time. Not because I believe in mob justice, but because I really dont think its 'just me'.

Well, if are going to talk about justice, then he should be electrocuted and waterboarded.

Source?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/272482/no_nonsense_tolerated_with_nfl_commissioner.html?cat=14

Roger Goodell believes that the NFL players should serve as role models for the community and youngsters who look up to them. Getting into trouble with the law is something that goes against everything Goodell wants the NFL to stand for and he is doing something about it.

Well, if are going to talk about justice, then he should be electrocuted and waterboarded.

Revenge =/= justice.

His punishment should fit his crime. One year does not fit his crime.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/272482/no_nonsense_tolerated_with_nfl_commissioner.html?cat=14

If he wants to do that it is his choice, but it will not easy. I would think that makes this whole thread pointless, though, since this guy chooses to punish those with criminal records.

Because he didnt recieve justice. Really, does anyone think that one year in prison for the long list of crimes committed is justice?

Ill back off it the majority thinks he did fair time. Not because I believe in mob justice, but because I really dont think its 'just me'.

How did he not receive justice? Vick was tried before a jury of his peers, found guilty, and sentenced by an elected judge to what the judge felt was a fair sentence. Now that Vick has served his time, there is nothing legally stopping him from attaining a job. If an NFL team wants to offer him a job, let them.

Rolling squid;14750585']How did he not receive justice? Vick was tried before a jury of his peers, found guilty, and sentenced by an elected judge to what the judge felt was a fair sentence. Now that Vick has served his time, there is nothing legally stopping him from attaining a job. If an NFL team wants to offer him a job, let them.

The NFL can hire whomever they please, but they are held accountable by their fans.

He's a football player. A decent football player. He did his time.


At least let him work.

If he gets back in the NFL I'm boycotting the whole league. :mad:

Revenge =/= justice.

His punishment should fit his crime. One year does not fit his crime.

I think electrocution and waterboarding fit the crime rather well.

He drowned, hung and electrocuted losing dogs, rather than use his millions to at least give them a decent retirement. And just running a dog fight racket is pretty scummy too. But:
http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/11692419


Thoughts?
As long as Vick can be remorseful for his actions, then I can't see any reason why he cannot return to the NFL.

Goodell Says Vick Must Be Remorseful (http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/nflnewsfeed/2009/04/goodell-says-vick-must-prove-hes-remorseful.html)

Goodell said, according to the AP. "Michael did an egregious thing. He has paid a very significant price for that. If he's learned from that and is prepared to live a different life, I think the general public is forgiving on that when people are genuine and they show remorse and are prepared to live a different life. That's something he has to prove to myself and the general public."
If he can't do what is necessary, then screw him. :D

Rolling squid;14750585']How did he not receive justice? Vick was tried before a jury of his peers, found guilty, and sentenced by an elected judge to what the judge felt was a fair sentence. Now that Vick has served his time, there is nothing legally stopping him from attaining a job. If an NFL team wants to offer him a job, let them.

No, he wasnt actually tried. His team of expensive lawyers plea bargined.

He's done his time; no reason he can't work.

If the fans want to see him, he'll make money for whomever he signs with.
If the fans hate him, he'll lose money for whomever he signs with.

No, he wasnt actually tried. His team of expensive lawyers plea bargined.

....So plea bargaining is a bad thing?

I have two words for all those in the anti-Vick camp.

Lee Hughes. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Hughes)

This is a man who served time for causing death by dangerous driving...but was allowed to resume his football career. There was much controversy on his return, but football fans here have accepted his return (for the most part).

If Vick can prove to the NFL community that he is a morally reformed character, then yes, he should play.

He's done his time; no reason he can't work.

If the fans want to see him, he'll make money for whomever he signs with.
If the fans hate him, he'll lose money for whomever he signs with.
QFT. He did the crime and the time....time to move on. Hopefully he is truly remorseful and that he can do something positive for the rest of his life.

Thoughts?
few and far between.

As for Vicks: True what he did was scummy. However, he has now done his time and thus paid for his crimes. By demanding that no team sign him, we're preventing him from earning a livelihood. Is that what we need: another ex-con not allowed to earn a living?

Again, if they actually did sufficent time for their crime, I would be fine.

In this case, Vick didnt do nearly enough.
The judge who sentenced him obviously thought it was.
What legal qualifications do you bring to the table that allows you to make such pronouncements?

I know there's a joke there somewhere ...

This will keep coming up until Vick is too old to play, I suppose. Rather like the way people want to give Pete Rose a pass and let him into the Hall of Fame.Uh, Rose should be in the HoF. As far as Vick, are felons allowed to earn a living? Might be a bit of a PR mess for a team, but if they win with him, hey. All the PETA stuff might be more entertaining than a real PITA . . .

Uh, Rose should be in the HoF. As far as Vick, are felons allowed to earn a living? Might be a bit of a PR mess for a team, but if they win with him, hey. All the PETA stuff might be more entertaining than a real PITA . . .

On the contrary, it's potentially a PR goldmine. If a team is able to sign him, have him express genuine remorse, perform copious amounts of community service in animal shelters and the like, and have him perform well on the field, they can pitch it as the redemption of Michael Vick. If he is able to redeem himself, the team that signs him will come out looking like geniuses, and like really great people for not giving up on Vick when everyone else had. It has the potential to be worth far more than the risk. Remember, in the NFL, player contracts are largely unguaranteed, so if he doesn't turn around public sentiment, they can cut him with little lost. Possibly even in the preseason if it doesn't look like it'll work out.

surely PETA would go after any team that signs him.

PETA can't counter the most overpaid, overhyped, overimportant sport in America.

On the contrary, it's potentially a PR goldmine. If a team is able to sign him, have him express genuine remorse, perform copious amounts of community service in animal shelters and the like, and have him perform well on the field, they can pitch it as the redemption of Michael Vick. If he is able to redeem himself, the team that signs him will come out looking like geniuses, and like really great people for not giving up on Vick when everyone else had. It has the potential to be worth far more than the risk. Remember, in the NFL, player contracts are largely unguaranteed, so if he doesn't turn around public sentiment, they can cut him with little lost. Possibly even in the preseason if it doesn't look like it'll work out.
I still think it would be more entertaining if he were unrepentant (which appears to be the case).

I still think it would be more entertaining if he were unrepentant (which appears to be the case).

If he's unrepentant, then no team will take a flier on him because he'll be a PR shitstorm just like no MLB team signed Barry Bonds two years ago because of the steriod media hurricane that surrounded him. He's got to convince Emperor Goodell that he's truly repentant before the NFL will even reinstate him, so if he's truly unrepentant, he'll be continuing his $10 an hour construction job for a while.

If he's unrepentant, then no team will take a flier on him because he'll be a PR shitstorm just like no MLB team signed Barry Bonds two years ago because of the steriod media hurricane that surrounded him. He's got to convince Emperor Goodell that he's truly repentant before the NFL will even reinstate him, so if he's truly unrepentant, he'll be continuing his $10 an hour construction job for a while.

If he agrees to donate a large portion of his income to an animal shelter, then cries on TV he might get back in.
America is a sucker for I have reformed.

He's done his time; no reason he can't work.

If the fans want to see him, he'll make money for whomever he signs with.
If the fans hate him, he'll lose money for whomever he signs with.

Agreed.

However, he probably hasn't been signed for a combination of the last thing that you said and that fact that there are almost certainly better quarterbacks out there/a team with him would probably lose more (he's out of shape, older, and wasn't a great QB to begin with, nothing to say of the team chemistry that is ruined when a diva/signed-for-press-only-player like him wanders in, as well as the fact that I can't think of a team who has a system that he fits into. The Raiders, maybe?).

As much as I hate Vick, there are some good points in his favor here. It is not Vick's fault that the state of Virginia has no problem with the brutal torture and murder of defensless animals. And the NFL itself could care less. The Pats are allowed to cheat to win Super Bowls. Scouts are allowed to have a draft anytime that want with no penalties levied on teams. (except for college teams lose scholarships and get put on probation)

It is going to be interesting to see how the fans react on gamedays. Will they show up just to show their hatred or will ticket sales drop?

Any team that signs him ought be boycotted.

Agreed

Is it wrong of me to want to hear of him being maimed by dogs? Not killed mind you, just maimed. I'd like him to lead a long dull life alone with his misery. Killing is so uncreative.

Hello Vick, I want to play a game.

Who here thinks ex-convicts should be banned from holding jobs? Or just jobs that pay more than you would like?

They should be restricted to minimum wage jobs.

Interesting. I was thinking along the lines of some of the "SAW" traps. We chain him to a toilet. Have a gun shoot him in the ass if he uses the toilet. Dump pig guts on him at random intervals. Then squish him with two big ice cubes. But have the dogs watching from behind a glass window.

Is that wrong? :D

Comon, that's not a proper "game". You're making the same mistakes that Amanda made, your game is unwinnable. Here's what I'd do:

Have Vick wake up in a warehouse, he's sitting in a circle, that is surrounded by cages holding rabid dogs. Dogs that's been used for the purpose of dog fighting. On the other side of that circle, there is another man, who has been convicted of the same crime that Vick has been convicted of. The rule of the game is that the men have five minutes to kill one another, using nothing but their bare hands, teeth, whatever. If no one is killed within the five minutes, the cages open. :D

Now that is a proper game.

His ass needs to keep rotting in prison, and personally I think his career should be bust.

PETA can't counter the most overpaid, overhyped, overimportant sport in America.
it would be entertaining to see them try.

it would be entertaining to see them try.

PETA Vs the NFL cage match.

nothing more entertaining then a bunch of skinny vegans getting pounded by 300+ pound NFL types.
If we record it and broadcast it i sense much profit in this.

PETA Vs the NFL cage match.

nothing more entertaining then a bunch of skinny vegans getting pounded by 300+ pound NFL types.
If we record it and broadcast it i sense much profit in this.
it would be SOOOO worth watching!

I miss Vick...

He was such a horrible QB it helped New Orleans beat them alot easier, lol

it would be SOOOO worth watching!

let the hippies have their protest signs to make it slightly more fair.

Out of jail today. And plans to work with the Humane Society.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/20/michael.vick/index.html

If the Humane Society makes him the dog poo scrapper then that would be okay I guess.

He should never have been imprisoned in the first place.

Dogs are property; no government ever has any sort of morally legitimate authority to restrict their owners' sacred natural right to dispose of them however they please.

He should never have been imprisoned in the first place.

Dogs are property; no government ever has any sort of morally legitimate authority to restrict their owners' sacred natural right to dispose of them however they please.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/DrkHelmet/Forum%20Pictures/facepalm2ic7copyrl2.jpg

He should never have been imprisoned in the first place.

Dogs are property; no government ever has any sort of morally legitimate authority to restrict their owners' sacred natural right to dispose of them however they please.

Indeed, what is the world coming to, same goes for black people and women obviously.

he should never have been imprisoned in the first place.

Dogs are property; no government ever has any sort of morally legitimate authority to restrict their owners' sacred natural right to dispose of them however they please.

a =/= a

I would never go to a game in which he was to play. But that's just my choice.

Is this guy actually a good enough player to make up for the controversy signing him would create?

Is this guy actually a good enough player to make up for the controversy signing him would create?

No. The loss of revenue his infamy would generate in lost sponsorship and attendance would not be worth it.

No. The loss of revenue his infamy would generate in lost sponsorship and attendance would not be worth it.

Then I guess he's fucked for playing football. Ah well, he can write a book and do the talk show circuit for a while.

Then I guess he's fucked for playing football. Ah well, he can write a book and do the talk show circuit for a while.

Coaches will want him, owners and general managers won't. Guess who pays the bills? :p

Coaches will want him, owners and general managers won't. Guess who pays the bills? :p

Fans *nods*



Oh, and sponsors.

Fans *nods*



Oh, and sponsors.

Yep. :p

I still keep getting a vision of him wearing an Oakland Raider uniform.

If he wants to do that it is his choice, but it will not easy. I would think that makes this whole thread pointless, though, since this guy chooses to punish those with criminal records.

Actually, the NFL is punishing those that break NFL policy on player conduct. Vick violated that policy that by breaking the law.

Rolling squid;14750585']How did he not receive justice? Vick was tried before a jury of his peers, found guilty, and sentenced by an elected judge to what the judge felt was a fair sentence. Now that Vick has served his time, there is nothing legally stopping him from attaining a job. If an NFL team wants to offer him a job, let them.

NFL teams are prevented from offering him a job by the league. In order for a team to be able to offer him a job, the NFL would need to lift his suspension.

I still keep getting a vision of him wearing an Oakland Raider uniform.

Doubtful. The Raiders already have a quarterback in Vick's mold in JaMarcus Russell, and the last thing they need is a quarterback controversy with the $31.5 million guaranteed man. He's more likely to end up on a team with an established quarterback, so there's no QB battle, where he can come in on third downs or in Wildcat formations. Somewhere like Pittsburgh or New Orleans.

He should never have been imprisoned in the first place.

Dogs are property; no government ever has any sort of morally legitimate authority to restrict their owners' sacred natural right to dispose of them however they please.

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owners and general managers won't.

Not true across the board. Stephen Ross (owner of the Miami Dolphins), for instance, has indicated that he'd make Vick an offer if his football people thought he'd be a good fit for the team.

Indeed, what is the world coming to, same goes for black people and women obviously.

Either you didn't pay attention to what I said, or you think black people and women are property. Which is it?

I'll personally boycott and NFL team that signs him; and the asshole should still be in prison.

Doubtful. The Raiders already have a quarterback in Vick's mold in JaMarcus Russell, and the last thing they need is a quarterback controversy with the $31.5 million guaranteed man. He's more likely to end up on a team with an established quarterback, so there's no QB battle, where he can come in on third downs or in Wildcat formations. Somewhere like Pittsburgh or New Orleans.

Well nobody said he has to play. Just stand there and get boo'd at for the league minimum pay in order to sell more tickets and I H8 Michale Vick t-shirts.
:tongue:

and the asshole should still be in prison.

Its been asked before and should be asked again. What makes you more qualified to decide this then a Judge and Jury and an entire Probation department?

Well nobody said he has to play. Just stand there and get boo'd at for the league minimum pay in order to sell more tickets and I H8 Michale Vick t-shirts.
:tongue:

During half time or one of their "Television time out" they could have a stadium full of people throw rotten fruit at him. :D

Well nobody said he has to play. Just stand there and get boo'd at for the league minimum pay in order to sell more tickets and I H8 Michale Vick t-shirts.
:tongue:

They don't have to sign him to a contract to make "I H8 Michale Vick" t-shirts.

They don't have to sign him to a contract to make "I H8 Michale Vick" t-shirts.

Is that because I spelled it wrong or because Al Davis' laywers are the best defense the Raiders have had in over a decade?
:tongue:

Its been asked before and should be asked again. What makes you more qualified to decide this then a Judge and Jury and an entire Probation department?

Because I unlike them am not concerned with getting a bad rep for throwing the keys away on a celebrity. He should have received a much harsher punishment just like anyone else would. He was facing a potential 6 years just for running the ring, and that's not even taking into consideration the animal cruelty, abuse, and neglect charges.

Indeed, what is the world coming to, same goes for black people and women obviously.
Midgets & children as well. Don't forget them!

No. The loss of revenue his infamy would generate in lost sponsorship and attendance would not be worth it.

oh please after the first season most people wouldn't even remember. It would just become some sports trivia.

oh please after the first season most people wouldn't even remember. It would just become some sports trivia.

Just like Babe Ruth alcoholism.

Just like Babe Ruth alcoholism.

Or when he got caught with a minor in a hotel room.

Or when he got caught with a minor in a hotel room.

Huh..did not know about that one.

So one of the greatest baseball player was a drunk and a pedophile, fan-tastic.

Huh..did not know about that one.

So one of the greatest baseball player was a drunk and a pedophile, fan-tastic.

she was 15. so not necessarily a pedophile.
And this was back when they didn't prosecute those things if the girl was over like 12. It was more of a scandal because he was married at the time. But as soon as he hit a home run America forgot all about it.

He should never have been imprisoned in the first place.

Dogs are property; no government ever has any sort of morally legitimate authority to restrict their owners' sacred natural right to dispose of them however they please.

Are you daft?