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Qualified nurse refused residency because of weight

A British nurse who weighed 134kg has been refused New Zealand residency because of her morbid obesity, despite the need for skilled nursing staff.

The 51-year-old, who was offered a job in a home and hospital for the elderly in a provincial city, met the qualifications for immigration under the skilled migrant category.

But her body mass index of 55.2 was considered unacceptable by the immigration service who declined her application, despite nursing being on a long-term skill shortage list.

Now the Residence Review Board has dismissed her appeal.
Too fat for NZ (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10569417)

I worked out that her weight and BMI means she's just 156cm tall.
156cm and 134 kilograms! (that's 5'1" and 295 pounds to your non-metric types) She must be a friggin' ball!

What do you lot think? Are they right in discriminating against someone because of their weight?
(me: I say yes. That sort of morbid obesity will cost tens of thousands in hospital care eventually)


edit: D'oh! spelled emigrate wrong in the title. Mods, please fix before some pedant spots it!

What do you lot think? Are they right in discriminating against someone because of their weight?
(me: I say yes. That sort of morbid obesity will cost tens of thousands in hospital care eventually)

Which is funny considering that, as a nurse in a country in apparent need of them, she could very well save the hospitals that much money or more in increased efficiency.

Are they right? I don't know, nor really care. Is it legal within the context of NZ law? I don't know enough about it to make that judgment, unfortunately.

We will take her in the US she will fit right in.

i approve of new zealand's 'no fat chicks' policy

Too fat for NZ (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10569417)

I worked out that her weight and BMI means she's just 156cm tall.
156cm and 134 kilograms! (that's 5'1" and 295 pounds to your non-metric types) She must be a friggin' ball!

What do you lot think? Are they right in discriminating against someone because of their weight?
(me: I say yes. That sort of morbid obesity will cost tens of thousands in hospital care eventually)


edit: D'oh! spelled emigrate wrong in the title. Mods, please fix before some pedant spots it!


Canada has the same sort of 'medical exemption'. If you have an illness that will cause you to need to access our public healthcare, you may be refused entry. So make sure you get here and get residency BEFORE you get cancer. Morbid obesity may well count.

It's not characaterised as a rights issue because most nations refuse to support the idea that anyone can have a right to enter a country if they are not a citizen.

i approve of new zealand's 'no fat chicks' policy

Fucking lol, bad, bad man. :D

Fucking lol, bad, bad man. :D

as long as the no fatties policy goes both ways its not so bad.

A BMI of 55? Jesus christ...

Ok wow look at the fat woman!

Could you peanut-brains focus on the actual topic? Is morbid obesity, in your opinion, a valid reason to deny a skilled (and needed) applicant from immigrating?

Is morbid obesity, in your opinion, a valid reason to deny a skilled (and needed) applicant from immigrating?
Someone who is 55 years old, and morbidly obese, is probably not going to be much use as a worker for much longer, at which point it's just drain, drain, drain on the health service until she kicks the bucket.

Ok wow look at the fat woman!

Could you peanut-brains focus on the actual topic? Is morbid obesity, in your opinion, a valid reason to deny a skilled (and needed) applicant from immigrating?

She may be skilled but i'd be concerned about her ability to apply these skills as a result of her weight.

So NZ is an American-free country?

fat bitches need love too...

New Zealand is a sovereign nation. Any reason they choose is sufficient for refusing a prospective immigrant.

So NZ is an American-free country?

HAHA ALL AMERICANZ IS FAT LOLOLOL! Seriously, shut the fuck up, you racist troll.

fat bitches need love too...
Best first post ever. :D

HAHA ALL AMERICANZ IS FAT LOLOLOL! Seriously, shut the fuck up, you racist troll.
*blushes*

Our brethen from across the pond, defending us even without being asked to do so.

*blushes again*


I haven't been this proud of a Brit since Thatcher was in office. :fluffle:

(that may be the first time I've ever used the 'fluffle' icon, so enjoy it :p )

New Zealand is a sovereign nation. Any reason they choose is sufficient for refusing a prospective immigrant.

I always felt that was a lame argument.

"We're only going to admit one-armed men! You can't criticise us, we iz SOVEREIGN!"

HAHA ALL AMERICANZ IS FAT LOLOLOL! Seriously, shut the fuck up, you racist troll.

Tis hardly racist, it's a fact that the yanks have the highest number of obese people.

Tis hardly racist, it's a fact that the yanks have the highest number of obese people.

But that wasn't the joke, the joke is there are NO americans there, which to accept one would have to asume all americans are fat, not just a goodly portion.

Anyway, on topic:

I think its perfectly logical for a country to do a complete cost/benefit analysis of a person, including medical problems, age etc. So if they determined that the person would not be sufficiently beneficial I see no reason to go against their decision, unless someone can show a flaw in their judgment based on the numbers.

I always felt that was a lame argument.

"We're only going to admit one-armed men! You can't criticise us, we iz SOVEREIGN!"

Why do you hate one-armed men?

Tis hardly racist, it's a fact that the yanks have the highest number of obese people.

Erm....no (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru) we (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonga) don't (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federated_States_of_Micronesia).

Erm....no (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru) we (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonga) don't (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federated_States_of_Micronesia).

We're also the world's oldest and largest democracy. ;)

Erm....no (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru) we (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonga) don't (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federated_States_of_Micronesia).

That's fascinating. D'you know why those 3 countries have such a high proportion of fat people? Is it in Polynesian genes or what?

Erm....no (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru) we (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonga) don't (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federated_States_of_Micronesia).

In the western world you are. Detroit and Houston are massively fat.

We're also the world's oldest and largest democracy. ;)

Your also a very young country.

And most people in the world hate the US.

In the western world you are. Detroit and Houston are massively fat.

So it goes from being fattest in the world to fattest in the Western World? If a country in Europe turns out to be fatter, will you change your argument to being fattest in the Americas? Anyway a couple of towns =/= the entire country.

That's fascinating. D'you know why those 3 countries have such a high proportion of fat people? Is it in Polynesian genes or what?

I'm sure it's partially genetic and partially cultural. I know that in a lot of Pacific island cultures, plumpness was traditionally considered a sign that you were wealthy and successful, and thus something to aspire to.

That, or Polynesian mothers are just like Jewish/Italian mothers. "You look so thin! You only ate three helpings. Have more soup. I slaved all day in the kitchen making that soup - don't you like it?" :p

Your also a very young country.

And most people in the world hate the US.

Your sarcasmometer fails today. Anyway, what does people hating the US have anything to do with with the original discussion, or even the off topic threadjack? Can you source your second statement?

So NZ is an American-free country?

Just like a nation that allows no criminals in is a black-free country. :rolleyes:

Your sarcasmometer fails today. Anyway, what does people hating the US have anything to do with with the original discussion, or even the off topic threadjack? Can you source your second statement?

You know I can't detect sarcasm.

Your also a very young country.

And most people in the world hate the US.

Really? :eek: I thought the world's opinion of us went-up after Obama was elected.

So it goes from being fattest in the world to fattest in the Western World? If a country in Europe turns out to be fatter, will you change your argument to being fattest in the Americas? Anyway a couple of towns =/= the entire country.

I forgot about them, but that's not an over-indulgent lifestyle.

I forgot about them, but that's not an over-indulgent lifestyle.

How d'you know? What does cause them to be fat then?

How d'you know? What does cause them to be fat then?

Jeans and shit.

Jeans and shit.

rofl, is this George Will from the other thread?

Jeans and shit.

Wow. Great response there. How about actually answering my questions?

Really? :eek: I thought the world's opinion of us went-up after Obama was elected.
It did, but you're still hated.
rofl, is this George Will from the other thread?
What?
Wow. Great response there. How about actually answering my questions?

I did, jeans and whatnot.

I did, jeans and whatnot.

Denim is a bitch for the appetite

Denim is a bitch for the appetite

What?

It did, but you're still hated.

Source?

I did, jeans and whatnot.

That's not an answer, and it still left the other question unanswered.

What?

*Facepalms* Oh my God.

Source?
Me.


That's not an answer, and it still left the other question unanswered.


Which one?

*Facepalms* Oh my God.

What!?

Me.

Not a source, you lose.

Which one?

If you're too lazy to go back a few posts and see for yourself, then I've got nothing more to say to you.

What!?

Jeans are made of denim...

also, here is the origin of the George Will comment: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=591575

Not a source, you lose.

I am a source, you lose.

If you're too lazy to go back a few posts and see for yourself, then I've got nothing more to say to you.

There was no other one.

It did, but you're still hated.

This is why I am hesitant to move to Europe.

This is why I am hesitant to move to Europe.

You really want to use RoI as a source of public sentiment here?

Ring of Isengard, I actually sat here for a few minutes trying to think of a witty thing to say regarding your intelligence level and I couldn't come up- . . .

Oh, hell, I'll just say it. You're a fucking idiot. :D

This is why I am hesitant to move to Europe.

It's more the aggressive foreign policy over the last few years rather than the average people. Anyway, Europe isn't a single country. It makes about as much sense as saying all Africans think the same.

This is why I am hesitant to move to Europe.
Don't, Europe sucks anyway.
You really want to use RoI as a source of public sentiment here?
I am "a source of public sentiment" where I live.
Ring of Isengard, I actually sat here for a few minutes trying to think of a witty thing to say regarding your intelligence level and I couldn't come up- . . .

Oh, hell, I'll just say it. You're a fucking idiot. :D

Thanks, arse-whole.

It's more the aggressive foreign policy over the last few years rather than the average people.

I would think a lot of it has to do with the average big ol' right-winger, since I distinctly recall the UK supporting us in our last few wars.

Don't, Europe sucks anyway.

Oh--have you been to the U.S.?

I would think a lot of it has to do with the average big ol' right-winger, since I distinctly recall the UK supporting us in our last few wars.
Not the public, just Bush's errand boy.
Oh--have you been to the U.S.?

No, why?

Oh--have you been to the U.S.?
Parts / [some] things of Europe suck. Parts / [some] things of America suck.

Don't, Europe sucks anyway.

Or not. Fair enough, the Balkans, as well as Eastern Europe are really poor, but the rest of Europe is fine, and there are so many beautiful areas. Seriously, you talk so much bollocks about things you know nothing about, I'm amazed your intestines haven't strangled your brain in a desperate attempt to make you seem less stupid.

I am "a source of public sentiment" where I live.

RoI's opinions don't equal the opinions of Thanet, Thanet's opinions =/= those of England, and the opinions of England aren't the same as those of the rest of the world.

Thanks, arse-whole.

Arse-hole. No H.

I would think a lot of it has to do with the average big ol' right-winger, since I distinctly recall the UK supporting us in our last few wars.

Blair and New Labour did not reflect the public opinions.

Or not. Fair enough, the Balkans, as well as Eastern Europe are really poor, but the rest of Europe is fine, and there are so many beautiful areas. Seriously, you talk so much bollocks about things you know nothing about, I'm amazed your intestines haven't strangled your brain in a desperate attempt to make you seem less stupid.

My, my, someone is cranky today.



RoI's opinions don't equal the opinions of Thanet, Thanet's opinions =/= those of England, and the opinions of England aren't the same as those of the rest of the world.
They do equal those of Fanet actually.


Arse-hole. No H.

:mad:

Not the public, just Bush's errand boy.

It is not as if the public supports Bush, here.

No, why?

Since you are saying Europe sucks, you might want to compare it.

Arse-hole. No H.

No "W"...unless we are talking about the "whole" package.

It is not as if the public supports Bush, here.

Ever heard of the south?

Since you are saying Europe sucks, you might want to compare it.

It's a bit hard to compare is it not.

Ever heard of the south?

Enough to elect him twice...then again, you must have plenty of Blair supporters in order for him to have been elected.

Enough to elect him twice...then again, you must have plenty of Blair supporters in order for him to have been elected.

Unfortunately, we did.

My, my, someone is cranky today.

Nope. I'm actually in a good mood. Partially because your arguments, if you could call them that, are so incredibly easy to destroy.

They do equal those of Fanet actually.

Sure. So everyone on your island has the exact same opinions as you?

Enough to elect him twice...then again, you must have plenty of Blair supporters in order for him to have been elected.

Not particularly. At first there were, because we'd had 18 years of a Tory government, and loads of people were tired of them. Blair was sort of an Obama figure. After a while, however, people on voted for him on the thought of "anything is better than Tory."

Nope. I'm actually in a good mood. Partially because your arguments, if you could call them that, are so incredibly easy to destroy.
Not really, you just try and insult me and epically fail.


Sure. So everyone on your island has the exact same opinions as you?

Similar, yes.

Not really, you just try and insult me and epically fail.

Where's the insults? I just crushed your arguments and then you changed the subject.

Similar, yes.

Really? I thought there was a lot of BNP/UKIP and Tory support down there. According to your political compass results you're a lefty.

Where's the insults? I just crushed your arguments and then you changed the subject.

I don't remember that.

Really? I thought there was a lot of BNP/UKIP and Tory support down there. According to your political compass results you're a lefty.

I am, but people's views can spread over more than one party, can they not?

I don't remember that.

That's because you're stupid. No offence, but you are. Re-read the thread, then you'll see it again.

I am, but people's views can spread over more than one party, can they not?

They can, but Thanet is fairly right wing and xenophobic.

They can, but Thanet is fairly right wing and xenophobic.

Cutting military spending is good.

That's because you're stupid. No offence, but you are. Re-read the thread, then you'll see it again.
I act more stupid than I am.


They can, but Thanet is fairly right wing and xenophobic.

How do you know?

Besides I'm xenophobic.

Cutting military spending is good.

What?

I act more stupid than I am.

Not a good idea.

How do you know?

Because I pay attention to the political state of my country?

Besides I'm xenophobic.

Oh good. 1 out of 2 isn't so bad then.

What?

It is. I advocate it.

Not a good idea.
Why not?


Because I pay attention to the political state of my country?

Why on Fanet in particular?

Oh good. 1 out of 2 isn't so bad then.

For once you're right.

It is. I advocate it.

I know it is and you do.

But how is it relevant?

Too fat for NZ (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10569417)

I worked out that her weight and BMI means she's just 156cm tall.
156cm and 134 kilograms! (that's 5'1" and 295 pounds to your non-metric types) She must be a friggin' ball!

What do you lot think? Are they right in discriminating against someone because of their weight?
(me: I say yes. That sort of morbid obesity will cost tens of thousands in hospital care eventually)


edit: D'oh! spelled emigrate wrong in the title. Mods, please fix before some pedant spots it!

Any country has the right to deny entrance to anyone it wants (unless they are an actual citizen of that country), no matter what the reason.

I know it is and you do.

But how is it relevant?

It is not, but so many things irrelevant to this thread were being said that I felt I had to join in. :D

It is not, but so many things irrelevant to this thread were being said that I felt I had to join in. :D

lol.

Any country has the right to deny entrance to anyone it wants (unless they are an actual citizen of that country), no matter what the reason.

Really? Why?

If you have an immigration policy that only allows women willing to work as prostitutes...that's okay? How about an immigration policy that only allows children to immigrate, but not their parents?

What is the right to deny entrance to anyone no matter the reason based on?

Why do you hate one-armed men?
They killed Harrison Ford's wife.
And they make lousy dishwashers.

US sucks, Britian sucks, Thanet sucks, NZ sucks. How about you all suck so STFU :D

That's fascinating. D'you know why those 3 countries have such a high proportion of fat people? Is it in Polynesian genes or what?
Well Polynesians do tend towards the big side, so those tables don't accurately reflect their genetics. On average, they're much bigger boned and carry more muscle mass than other races. Hence their BMI is higher than what would be considered normal range for European.
That doesn't mean they don't have a problem with obesity, but wiki saying 90% are obese is making the simple mistake of applying wrong criteria. For eg, if we use the European standard of 20-25BMI as normal, most Asians come in as underweight.
iirc, the healthy BMI for Asians is 18-22, Europeans 20-25 and Polynesians 24-28.

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It's not characaterised as a rights issue because most nations refuse to support the idea that anyone can have a right to enter a country if they are not a citizen.

Amen

If New Zealand starts letting in fat people, where will Brad Pitt go for vacation?

It just occurred to me that we may well have found the original source for all those, 'yo momma's so fat...' jokes.

Really? Why?

If you have an immigration policy that only allows women willing to work as prostitutes...that's okay? How about an immigration policy that only allows children to immigrate, but not their parents?

What is the right to deny entrance to anyone no matter the reason based on?

It's based on the nation's sovereignty. Unfortunately our wishes don't govern the rights of a nation to do as it damn well pleases vis-a-vis immigration. The US wants to impose a quota on the number of Mexicans it allows in (legally), it can. Canada wants to restrict jobs to only Canadians (unless, of course, there are no Canadians to fill a particular job category), it can. Japan wants to discriminate against Korean immigrants, it can. All the crying, demonstrating and bashing in the world is not going to change a nation's right to make it's own laws and enforce them. It's not ok, but it is.

I stand firmly against this no fat people policy...On the grounds that it discriminates against my people, :p

no. i don't think any nation has a 'right' to close its borders to anyone who isn't carrying a gun.

no. i don't think any nation has a 'right' to close its borders to anyone who isn't carrying a gun.

What about the Swine Flu? ;)

Well Polynesians do tend towards the big side, so those tables don't accurately reflect their genetics. On average, they're much bigger boned and carry more muscle mass than other races. Hence their BMI is higher than what would be considered normal range for European.
That doesn't mean they don't have a problem with obesity, but wiki saying 90% are obese is making the simple mistake of applying wrong criteria. For eg, if we use the European standard of 20-25BMI as normal, most Asians come in as underweight.
iirc, the healthy BMI for Asians is 18-22, Europeans 20-25 and Polynesians 24-28.
Which would be why at least one of those wiki articles mentions an unusually high incidence of type 2 diabetes? I think it's pretty clear they have a problem, normally heavier for their height or not.

I agree with it, as a person living in NZ.

I agree with it, as a person living in NZ.

I disagree, if she's capable of doing the job- let her do it.

Dammit, now I'm stuck in the middle.

Dammit, now I'm stuck in the middle.

He,he,he.

I only really read the first couple of lines because something had ACTUALLY come up about New Zealand.

I only really read the first couple of lines because something had ACTUALLY come up about New Zealand.

Hmm, I don't think I've ever seen anything about New Zealand in the news.

I only really read the first couple of lines because something had ACTUALLY come up about New Zealand.

This thread's not about Britain?

Hmm, I don't think I've ever seen anything about New Zealand in the news.

:p There you go.

NZ has the right to lock people out when they are a health risk (i.e. when they are shaped like a beach ball). It's just sensible - We're a welfare state.

(i.e. when they are shaped like a beach ball).

:D Dammit, they really need to make a LAUGHING smiley!

Do they give you a full medical before they give you permit of residence?
Will they dig through your files and find out if you, for example, had cancer in the past?
Will they go round to your pub and off-licence to find out how much you drink?
Will they chat with your neighbours and colleagues to find out if and how much you smoke?
Do they trace your family history for possible inherited illnesses that may show themselves later in life?

If they don't do the above, I call hypocrits on this one.
She's not ill at the moment, she's working a tough job and has the intention of doing so in NZ as well. To deny her residency on the basis that she MIGHT at one point become sick is ridiculous.

Really? Why?Whim.

Ok wow look at the fat woman!

Could you peanut-brains focus on the actual topic? Is morbid obesity, in your opinion, a valid reason to deny a skilled (and needed) applicant from immigrating?

Yes. Immigration should be conducted in the interests of the state, not the immigrant, and to be obese to such a degree represents, in a state with high levels of welfare, a likely financial burden.

Really? Why?
Really. Because it's a country.

If you have an immigration policy that only allows women willing to work as prostitutes...that's okay?
Perfectly.

[/QUOTE]How about an immigration policy that only allows children to immigrate, but not their parents? [/QUOTE]
It's the only one that actually makes sense.

[QUOTE]What is the right to deny entrance to anyone no matter the reason based on?[QUOTE]
Same as your right to let anyone into your house or not.

And yes: I do exercise this policy. If a young woman comes to my door at night, barely dressed, and willing to work her ass out, for which very reason I've called her half an hour ago, I'll let her in. If a group of suspiciously looking men comes to my door and demands to open up "and I won't get hurt", I'll call the cops, call the neighbors, take a gun, put on the vest, check if all the windows are locked, turn on the external lights, and most certainly not open the door.

Why? Well, because I just don't feel like it. Reason enough.

Yes. Immigration should be conducted in the interests of the state, not the immigrant, and to be obese to such a degree represents, in a state with high levels of welfare, a likely financial burden.

So does smoking. Or excessive drinking. Or a habit of dangerous driving. Or an extreme sport as hobby.... there's a long list of how people can risk their health. And I'm willing to bet not even half of them are being checked out by the immigration office.

Being skinny doesn't equate being healthy, and being overweight doesn't equate being sick.

You know, the title says fat chance... but isn't it a SLIM chance?

HAHA ALL AMERICANZ IS FAT LOLOLOL! Seriously, shut the fuck up, you racist troll.

Haha

HAHA ALL AMERICANZ IS FAT LOLOLOL! Seriously, shut the fuck up, you racist troll.

When has American ever been a race?

Oh, thats right - never!

Kinda like those from South America who scream 'racist' but most of them are descendants of Spanish and Portuguese immigrants.

It seems a mod didn't notice this thread earlier, but alas, for you poor folks, I did, and I happened to see some... rule violations.

So NZ is an American-free country?

An attempt to deliberately provoke a negative response. Warned for flamebaiting.

Ring of Isengard, I actually sat here for a few minutes trying to think of a witty thing to say regarding your intelligence level and I couldn't come up- . . .

Oh, hell, I'll just say it. You're a fucking idiot. :D

A smiley doesn't change the fact that this is a blatant attack on a poster. Warned for flaming.

That's because you're stupid. No offence, but you are. Re-read the thread, then you'll see it again.

Another flatout attack on the poster and not the post. Warned for flaming.

HAHA ALL AMERICANZ IS FAT LOLOLOL! Seriously, shut the fuck up, you racist troll.

This post, while not actionable, was not in good judgment. I won't give you an official warning for it, however.

I act more stupid than I am.

And you're allowed to act like that. Of course, people are within their right to attack the content of the post to their heart's content.

Now then, I shall be on my way.

So does smoking. Or excessive drinking. Or a habit of dangerous driving. Or an extreme sport as hobby.... there's a long list of how people can risk their health.
Yes, but we don't have a solid way to check if they smoke or drink, much less have an extreme hobby.

Being skinny doesn't equate being healthy, and being overweight doesn't equate being sick.
We're not talking overweight here. We're talking morbidly, health-ruining, life-threatening obese. Lots of people are overweight.

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Were if up to me, I wouldn't allow the entry of people with IQ<100 into the country, and have ones with particularly low IQ exiled unless having a valid excuse. Less strict limits would apply to other health measurements. The question isn't why deny them; the question is why let them in.

Weight has become the officially endorsed prejudice of choice.

We can't discriminate for all the fun old reasons, but this one is left to us.

Unless of course we try to make life difficult for the morbidly underweight; in that can we are evil.

Yes, but we don't have a solid way to check if they smoke or drink, much less have an extreme hobby.

That's a bit like saying "We can't really investigate every crime, so we'll just turn round and arrest every black person we find in the vicinity of a crime scene".
Just go with the prejudice, forget about getting any actual EVIDENCE.


We're not talking overweight here. We're talking morbidly, health-ruining, life-threatening obese. Lots of people are overweight.

There is no evidence that this nurse has any health complaints whatsoever. I daresay she wouldn't be working 60-hour weeks if she had.
I'm not saying that all obese people are necessarily healthy, but to claim that all of them are life-threateningly sick is just plain stupid.

If anything, they shouldn't let her in because she's a nurse. That's a very unhealthy and potentially life-threatening occupation.

That's a bit like saying "We can't really investigate every crime, so we'll just turn round and arrest every black person we find in the vicinity of a crime scene".
Just go with the prejudice, forget about getting any actual EVIDENCE.


I would have said it's a lot more like saying "We can't really investigate every crime so for those we can't investigate there will be no action and for those we can investigate we may prosecute"

The alternative, which I think is much closer to your side of the argument, is "We can't really investigate every crime so we won't investigate any crimes"

I would have said it's a lot more like saying "We can't really investigate every crime so for those we can't investigate there will be no action and for those we can investigate we may prosecute"

The alternative, which I think is much closer to your side of the argument, is "We can't really investigate every crime so we won't investigate any crimes"

Not really... they can go and investigate a person's lifestyle and health. It's not all that difficult.
But instead, they decide to just go by looks : Fat person - bad, skinny person - good.

Not really... they can go and investigate a person's lifestyle and health. It's not all that difficult.


How would you suggest doing this?

How would you suggest doing this?

Do a health check-up and make them disclose their medical record and those of their immediate family as part of the process of immigration.

Do a health check-up and make them disclose their medical record

Already done (http://www.immigration.govt.nz/community/stream/facilitate/medical/)

those of their immediate family as part of the process of immigration.

That wouldn't be their right unfortunately so it's not exactly a viable method

A smiley doesn't change the fact that this is a blatant attack on a poster. Warned for flaming.

Don't mind.
Another flatout attack on the poster and not the post. Warned for flaming.

Don't mind.
If they want to try and insult me instead of argue against my point, let em.

Yes, but we don't have a solid way to check if they smoke or drink, much less have an extreme hobby.


That would pretty much be a plus if you wanted to immigrate to NZ :p

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