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...that you know you can't back up?

Inspired by all the recent hoopla about God and Space Aliens. :p

For me, I believe we have been visited by space aliens, and that they Bio-engineered humans, another group of humanoids seen in my avatar, and most current animal life on this Earth, into existence. Those aliens I call the Annunaki. The Annunaki, when they first arrived on Earth, saw Neanderthals beginning civilization with worship of females. The Annunaki preferred worship of males and eradicated the Neanderthal. The Annunaki first came to Earth about half a million years ago, from the planet (or moon of a brown dwarf) Nibiru, which itself is just a colony planet, not their homeworld. Nibiru/Planet X is responsible for causing changes in the order of the planets in this solar system.

The blue-skinned humanoids with spock ears like in my avatar, they lived on Earth in a technically advanced society up until 62,000 years ago when they found a bigger planet orbiting the Delta Trianguli stars, named Belle Hades, and terraformed it and gradually moved their entire civilization there, and remain there to this day. They also have cats with blue fur.

I also think that the Annunaki will be the masterminds of an "unfortunate twist of fate", which from now on I will call the Apocalypse, that my tarot cards say will happen on December 21, 2012. Using the Celestia program provided in my signature, I determined the Apocalypse might happen between 9:25 AM Central Standard Time, and 10:10 AM Central Standard Time.

So, NSG, what beliefs do you have that you know you can't back up?

And yes, I am being serious here. :)

EDIT: Some more into what I believe.

I also believe in re-incarnation. That everyone has a soul and can live hundreds to thousands of lifetimes in various forms, from animals, to aliens, to the Belle Hadeans, to humans, etc. Each soul is on a journey, to become greater. When it comes to dying, yes, we become ghosts. At most, we haunt around for about 3 days, then cross over. If we stay for longer than three days, it's obvious that there's "unfinished business" to deal with.

People also have Auras, and my mom is one who says she can see people's auras. Of course I believe her. Some people have black auras, which mean they have no soul, or they had one, but moved over to the dark side.

I do not have any beliefs that I cannot back up. If you mean, back up with evidence that corrupted minds will find convincing? No, because nothing will convince them.

Beyond various conspiracy theories...

Aliens.

Part of me believes it very much. The other part wonders (ie doesn't believe) .. if it came to be known .. What would change in my thinking? Would that hinder my belief in God?

and Pluto, glad to see ya around again. =)

I believe that God created the Universe using the Big Bang about 15 billion years ago (or whatever it is that scientists say), and has used evolution to keep everything going along nicely.

I believe that He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, down to Earth to die for our sins.

I believe that whomever believes in Him and is forgiven of all mortal sin will have eternal life after they die.

I can not at all prove that with cold facts.

and Pluto, glad to see ya around again. =)
Thank you! :)

Glad to see you around too! :D

So many newbies... *shy* lol

I'm an agnostic leaning towards atheist.

I believe in a Divinity that has a God and Goddess. I believe that their spirits is everywhere and that nature and the Earth is alive with the spirits of the God and Goddess, along with Wind, Fire, Water and Earth. I could go on, but I'm still sleep deprived.

Those that instantly come to mind as beliefs that can't be backed up are beliefs in the external world, belief in other people, belief in causation and belief in induction.

Aesthetic beliefs, also, or, I suppose, any belief based on phenomenological experience would be a nightmare to prove. How can I adequately prove to you I think Mark Rothko is a fantastic painter? Or prove to you that I love someone?

Those that instantly come to mind as beliefs that can't be backed up are beliefs in the external world, belief in other people, belief in causation and belief in induction.

Aesthetic beliefs, also, or, I suppose, any belief based on phenomenological experience would be a nightmare to prove. How can I adequately prove to you I think Mark Rothko is a fantastic painter? Or prove to you that I love someone?

I will save this post for future study. Sounds interesting.

Ah, a tempting thread. Unfortuantely, I'll wait until I *can* back mine up. Sorry :(

Belief is for the believer. There is what is, and what we think we know.

Those that instantly come to mind as beliefs that can't be backed up are beliefs in the external world, belief in other people, belief in causation and belief in induction.

Aesthetic beliefs, also, or, I suppose, any belief based on phenomenological experience would be a nightmare to prove. How can I adequately prove to you I think Mark Rothko is a fantastic painter? Or prove to you that I love someone?This seems to be clumping a wide variety of expressions in our language into one without reason, kind of like Wittgenstein did in the Tractatus-- he said there was only one kind of proposition, evidence contradicting him be damned. Why is it necessary to treat these things which you mention as being "nightmarish to prove" as if you were proving the existence of an object? They obviously don't function that way in language, which is precisely why we don't have a clear way to prove them (and because of this lack of definition they seem unprovable when in fact it just does not make sense to talk about "proof" in these cases). If we did have such a way, it would be trivial, just as proving the existence of a chair in the next room is trivial.

Belief is for the believer. There is what is, and what we think we know.

So .. there = what people make of for themselves after death?

What if that were true..

oh hoho .. you Atheists would be stuck in the dirt.. and the rest of us who believed in something would be soaring with angels or coming back as a dandelion .. or honey bee .. or shark.. or falcon .. or atom .. or nucleus .. or virus ... or.. !

interesting

Existing for eternity seems like a burden and a little else.

So, if those Annunaki are precursors to us, can I make love to hot, blue, alien chicks?

I live only by cold fact. I don't think I'm able to comprehend anything that cannot be rooted in empiricism, logic, and cold, objective science.

That emotions are marginally more complex than simply brain chemistry and black helicopters full of government officials in dark suits follow me around on a daily basis.

That's about it, I think.

Those that instantly come to mind as beliefs that can't be backed up are beliefs in the external world, belief in other people, belief in causation and belief in induction.


This - although I'm not sure whether they are things I really believe without evidence..... they are more things that I pragmatically but grudgingly accept as necessary in order to be able to function in the apparent world.

I believe that Hippies have ruined the best things in the world by irresponsible over use and abuse. Namely Hallucinatory drugs and Sex. That being said Hippies should be executed for their crimes.

So, if those Annunaki are precursors to us, can I make love to hot, blue, alien chicks?
I've done it plenty of times in my Sims 2 game. :fluffle: :D

You'll have to fly to Belle Hades to meet her though. 35.4 light years. :p

And the blue people are not the Annunaki. The Annunaki are the ones who MADE the blue people. And us, of course. Right now, I imagine the Annunaki to be those stereotypical "greys" that everyone talks about. Bulging head, thin body, big eyes, you get the picture. ;)

And I added to my OP, if anyone wants to see. :)

I believe that God created the Universe using the Big Bang about 15 billion years ago (or whatever it is that scientists say), and has used evolution to keep everything going along nicely.

I believe that He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, down to Earth to die for our sins.

I believe that whomever believes in Him and is forgiven of all mortal sin will have eternal life after they die.

I can not at all prove that with cold facts.

^This. I believe that science and religion are not incompatible. I cannot prove this, either.

Beyond various conspiracy theories...

Aliens.

Part of me believes it very much. The other part wonders (ie doesn't believe) .. if it came to be known .. What would change in my thinking? Would that hinder my belief in God?

Crazy.

I believe in a God, who created us, who is omnipotent, who most likely created the world through the Big Bang, evolution, et cetera, sent his son down, who preached a message of tolerance and peace, was listened to for a few centuries, then was promptly disregarded, had his words twisted and destroyed, and was executed, forgiving us all while he died. (THAT'S what you call forgiveness... While he was being killed? Yeesh, I would have cursed every last one of us...). His true word is recently recovering from the years of stupidity and mistranslation. Also, I have no idea if any of this is true, and I believe it would be wrong to tout this around as THE truth, but I believe in it. If you don't, fine, if you do, fine. :)

I believe that giving students way too much homework, starting school way too early, running it way too late, encouraging students to join extra-curricular activities, and then encouraging them to get at least 13 hours of sleep is ridiculous.

I believe that giving students way too much homework, starting school way too early, running it way too late, encouraging students to join extra-curricular activities, and then encouraging them to get at least 13 hours of sleep is ridiculous.

Indeed. I only need 6 hours of sleep. They should hand out free caffiene packets for excellent students like me.

That causality exists, that the external world exists, that I exist, that the universe is consistent, and that logic works.

I believe...in so many things. But there are so few that can be proven.
Even so, what was taken as scientific fact a few years back is now material for jokes and ridicule [eg. "the Earth is flat", "the atom is the smallest thing out there", etc.], so nothing can ever really be backed up completely, can it?

Why is it necessary to treat these things which you mention as being "nightmarish to prove" as if you were proving the existence of an object? They obviously don't function that way in language, which is precisely why we don't have a clear way to prove them (and because of this lack of definition they seem unprovable when in fact it just does not make sense to talk about "proof" in these cases). If we did have such a way, it would be trivial, just as proving the existence of a chair in the next room is trivial.
When I say that coming up with proof for causation, induction, etc., is 'nightmarish', I don't mean to say that we should, or even can, look for these proofs through science or rationality. I quite agree that these things are in a different 'realm'; playing a different non-language game, if you will.

But still, we don't, as you say, have a clear way to prove them. So I list them as unprovable beliefs, even if that unprovability is different to the unprovability of my hands, say.

I believe the people on NSG are real people, *nod*

What Chumbly said. Also, in b4 some cocky brat states "I don't have any beliefs, belief is irrational".

...that you know you can't back up?

Inspired by all the recent hoopla about God and Space Aliens. :p

For me, I believe we have been visited by space aliens, and that they Bio-engineered humans, another group of humanoids seen in my avatar, and most current animal life on this Earth, into existence. Those aliens I call the Annunaki. The Annunaki, when they first arrived on Earth, saw Neanderthals beginning civilization with worship of females. The Annunaki preferred worship of males and eradicated the Neanderthal. The Annunaki first came to Earth about half a million years ago, from the planet (or moon of a brown dwarf) Nibiru, which itself is just a colony planet, not their homeworld. Nibiru/Planet X is responsible for causing changes in the order of the planets in this solar system.

The blue-skinned humanoids with spock ears like in my avatar, they lived on Earth in a technically advanced society up until 62,000 years ago when they found a bigger planet orbiting the Delta Trianguli stars, named Belle Hades, and terraformed it and gradually moved their entire civilization there, and remain there to this day. They also have cats with blue fur.

I also think that the Annunaki will be the masterminds of an "unfortunate twist of fate", which from now on I will call the Apocalypse, that my tarot cards say will happen on December 21, 2012. Using the Celestia program provided in my signature, I determined the Apocalypse might happen between 9:25 AM Central Standard Time, and 10:10 AM Central Standard Time.

So, NSG, what beliefs do you have that you know you can't back up?

And yes, I am being serious here. :)

EDIT: Some more into what I believe.

I also believe in re-incarnation. That everyone has a soul and can live hundreds to thousands of lifetimes in various forms, from animals, to aliens, to the Belle Hadeans, to humans, etc. Each soul is on a journey, to become greater. When it comes to dying, yes, we become ghosts. At most, we haunt around for about 3 days, then cross over. If we stay for longer than three days, it's obvious that there's "unfinished business" to deal with.

People also have Auras, and my mom is one who says she can see people's auras. Of course I believe her. Some people have black auras, which mean they have no soul, or they had one, but moved over to the dark side.
thats an odd thing to believe. did you read it or make it up on your own?

thats an odd thing to believe. did you read it or make it up on your own?

Tell ya the truth, It makes me think of Scientology, lol

yeah it does me too, kinda. with a similar screwed up timeline

I believe that an intergalactic organization of aliens is quarantining humans.
I believe that children could run the world better than adults.
I believe that for every "bad" event, there is a "good" event.

I believe that an intergalactic organization of aliens is quarantining humans.
I believe that children could run the world better than adults.
I believe that for every "bad" event, there is a "good" event.

Those are some silly beliefs.

thats an odd thing to believe. did you read it or make it up on your own?
Most of it, I read or heard from other people. The blue people on Belle Hades who used to live on Earth and were also created by the Annunaki were based on evidence I figured out from past dreams (I believe dreams have meaning) and tarot card readings. Evidence that I realize is circumstantial (for lack of a better word) at best.

And no it's not scientology, because I never read dianetics. In fact I heard about scientology after I learned all this stuff from Zecharias Sitchin.

And I just now realized that sitchin probably just copied L. Ron Hubbard, even though he says it's from "ancient tablet translations" *bangs head on wall* :headbang:

Most of it, I read or heard from other people. The blue people on Belle Hades who used to live on Earth and were also created by the Annunaki were based on evidence I figured out from past dreams (I believe dreams have meaning) and tarot card readings. Evidence that I realize is circumstantial (for lack of a better word) at best.

And no it's not scientology, because I never read dianetics. In fact I heard about scientology after I learned all this stuff from Zecharias Sitchin.

And I just now realized that sitchin probably just copied L. Ron Hubbard, even though he says it's from "ancient tablet translations" *bangs head on wall* :headbang:
noo i didnt think it was scientology.

where is belle hades?


and that is rather specific information to get from tarot cards, isnt it?

noo i didnt think it was scientology.

where is belle hades?


and that is rather specific information to get from tarot cards, isnt it?

Tarot cars, Burning Bush, to each his own, :p

noo i didnt think it was scientology.

where is belle hades?


and that is rather specific information to get from tarot cards, isnt it?
Really, I just assumed belle hades was there, asked about current events, and lo and behold, they replied. I still haven't gotten around to asking wether belle Hades is real or not. :p

I'm a fool, I already know that for sure. :p

And Belle Hades orbits Delta Trianguli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Trianguli), as far as I know.

*sings*

I believe I can fly
I believe I can touch the sky


I also believe that some people should adjust their medication.

Really, I just assumed belle hades was there, asked about current events, and lo and behold, they replied. I still haven't gotten around to asking wether belle Hades is real or not. :p

I'm a fool, I already know that for sure. :p

And Belle Hades orbits Delta Trianguli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Trianguli), as far as I know.
i guess the better question is

WHAT is belle hades? when i google it most of what comes up is from you.

i guess the better question is

WHAT is belle hades? when i google it most of what comes up is from you.
Belle Hades is a planet orbiting Delta Trianguli that has been terraformed, and inhabited by the blue people with spock ears seen in my avatar.

Is that what you're asking? If not, then I'm confused. :confused:

(I'm not trying to be rude, and I apologize if I am :$ )

Hi, all!

I believe in The Great Maker.

I also believe that there is no real heaven or hell, only enlightenment and rebirth for those who who die before they obtain enlightenment. We as souls are born into are present forms to learn lessons towards enlightenment that we have missed before. I suppose those two could be considered heaven and hell but not in the christian sense.

I believe we each have a path/truth that we must find and follow. that is why there are so many different beliefs/religons in the world.

I believe that Jesus was an enlightened soul and that he returned to the cycle of rebirth, risking falling from the path, to show other souls the way to enlightenment.

Lol, as for aliens... why not? It is arrogant of us as humans to believe that we are the only intellegent life in the universe. As for what they look like... Little blue men? It's possible but again it is arrogant to assume that visitors from space would have a biped form like us.

All that said, I also believe that if I am wrong and there really a heaven and Hell, then, well when I die, I am screwed big time!

Some would say that I believe that there is/are no god/s, but I believe that people who believe that are belied by their belief about my lack of beliefs being a belief itself instead, indeed.

Belle Hades is a planet orbiting Delta Trianguli that has been terraformed, and inhabited by the blue people with spock ears seen in my avatar.

Is that what you're asking? If not, then I'm confused. :confused:

(I'm not trying to be rude, and I apologize if I am :$ )
so youre saying that both earth and belle hades have been seeded with these people?

The Anunnaki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anunnaki) are a group of Sumerian and Akkadian deities. They were elevated, if that's the word, to Space Alien status by Zecharia Sitchin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin). What he writes about them is based solely on his own translations of Sumerian texts, which are largely discounted by Middle Eastern scholars. Sitchin's understanding of basic physics has also been called into question, as regards his idea of Nibiru.

Sorry, Plutonian Empire, but if Sitchin's writings are what you base your beliefs on, you could do better.

so youre saying that both earth and belle hades have been seeded with these people?
I believe so.

I know it's quite far out there, and perhaps somewhat childish, but these are my beliefs.

I believe so.

I know it's quite far out there, and perhaps somewhat childish, but these are my beliefs.
*shrug*

they arent any worse than other unsubstantiatable beliefs.

So, NSG, what beliefs do you have that you know you can't back up?
Obviuosly I have far different beliefs than you. There is a God and I am not Him. If you don't think there is a God, take a look around you and He is everywhere. :)

...that you know you can't back up?

That NSG is an awesome forum. :tongue:

if you can "back it up", is it a "belief"?

myself personally, i believe there's a very big universe out there, that is statistical in nature, totally impersonal, and gratifyingly diverse. i also believe there's something big, friendly and invisible that gives great hugs, and i don't see either as in any way ruling out the other.

i mean there's bound to be oodles of invisible somethings that are at least a little bit godlike. so it doesn't offend logic at all that there might be something, one, that is more so then anything else. if not infallable, omnescient, and/or omnipotent, then how about just closer to it then anything else.

i don't believe big, friendly and invisible is into micro-managing. that's the thing. fanatics bitch because it ain't, and a lot of nonfanatics seem to too, but they'd bitch just as much or more if it was.

i believe the universe is totally impartial, but there's a lot of fiendly little spirit people when you get to know them. out in the woods and places where people aren't making a big annoyance of themselves.

if you're really cool they'll walk through your walls and snuggle up next to you if you want them too.

I believe Cameroi blew his brains out on acid in the 60's,

...but in a nice way.

I live only by cold fact. I don't think I'm able to comprehend anything that cannot be rooted in empiricism, logic, and cold, objective science.

In other words, you believe in the supremacy of the rational.

I believe that my senses do not lie to me when I have had visions of the divine.

I believe that there is more than the physical and quantifiable in the world.

I believe that everything is changing constantly, even the laws of the universe.

if you can "back it up", is it a "belief"?

I believe so because I could back up that Othello shows Shakespeare's support for communism and can back it up, however, one can also back it up with facts that it isn't.

Various schools of thought on economics can back their beliefs up too.

In other words, you believe in the supremacy of the rational.

I believe that my senses do not lie to me when I have had visions of the divine.

I believe that there is more than the physical and quantifiable in the world.

I believe that everything is changing constantly, even the laws of the universe.

I am essentially, for lack of a better term (although it's not entirely accurate), a solipsist. I don't believe in anything, per se, but choose to accept reality as proven through repeatable, observable science. This is presumably a consequence of my neurologically abnormal mind; nothing I observe seems real to me.

I live only by cold fact. I don't think I'm able to comprehend anything that cannot be rooted in empiricism, logic, and cold, objective science.

I believe that Getbrett is a Vulcan! :eek:

That there's a secret U.S. Military Moon Base. The Space Race of the 60s and 70s proved the technology exists, after which the Air Force took over using its own launch facilities and has had a functioning base on the Moon since the mid 1980s.

I believe Cameroi blew his brains out on acid in the 60's,

...but in a nice way.
whoa, i have the same unfounded belief!

That there's a secret U.S. Military Moon Base. The Space Race of the 60s and 70s proved the technology exists, after which the Air Force took over using its own launch facilities and has had a functioning base on the Moon since the mid 1980s.
and amateur astronomers miss all the launches required to build and staff such a facility?

I believe a restaurant in my town has "The Worlds Best Pizza"

and amateur astronomers miss all the launches required to build and staff such a facility?

Stealth rockets baby, stealth rockets.

I am essentially, for lack of a better term (although it's not entirely accurate), a solipsist. I don't believe in anything, per se, but choose to accept reality as proven through repeatable, observable science. This is presumably a consequence of my neurologically abnormal mind; nothing I observe seems real to me.

Science doesn't prove anything.

Stealth rockets baby, stealth rockets.
ya but....

I hold the belief that Jews are in control of the world. Mainly because I've talked to a shape shifting Jewish Lizardman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

Greatness, glory and fate.

I am essentially, for lack of a better term (although it's not entirely accurate), a solipsist. I don't believe in anything, per se, but choose to accept reality as proven through repeatable, observable science. This is presumably a consequence of my neurologically abnormal mind; nothing I observe seems real to me.

In that case you believe in causality and the existence of a detectable external world.

Stealth rockets baby, stealth rockets.

What are stealth rockets? Because it has a rocket engine, it can't be very stealthy.

ya but....

What are stealth rockets? Because it has a rocket engine, it can't be very stealthy.

You realize that if I COULD back it up, it shouldn't be in this thread, yah? :tongue:

For me, I believe we have been visited by space aliens, and that they Bio-engineered humans, another group of humanoids seen in my avatar, and most current animal life on this Earth, into existence. Those aliens I call the Annunaki.

*groan*

I think it's fine to believe life on earth was created by aliens (although I don't share that belief), but could you please do so without raping Sumerian mythology?

So, NSG, what beliefs do you have that you know you can't back up?

Well, a large part of my current belief system has developed after someone who is (was?) retro-babylonian/sumerian (I don't have a better term for it) gave me some big clues. I wouldn't say my beliefs are at all similar to the ancient ones (apart from me being a polytheist), but I really like the myths... So the Sitchin stuff can annoy me a lot...

I believe every universe of which the rules don't contradict themselves exists as a reality (that does mean most universes are not like our own at all and cannot contain anything like life).
- The "existence" of anything outside our universe cannot be backed up and contradicts some definitions of existence.

I believe something you might call "mind" or "soul" "thinks" about all possible universes, and that the core of a being is part of that process.
- See above, and other reasons are left as an exercise for the reader :P .

I believe there is a large number of gods (probably not possible to count), and that I interact with some of them.
- That I can sort of back up, but not in a way that shows it's not all in my head. I mean, if you make up a story, you do interact with the characters you made up...

I believe a god, just like a living being, is a set of wishes/desires/intentions.
- That's a definition, one can't really back those up.

I believe that after death I will either reincarnate or become even more a part of the goddess I follow.
- Now we're entering "utter hogwash" territory.

I believe it is important to not take oneself too seriously.
- That can probably be backed up but I'm still putting it here.

I believe that when a source is older that doesn't necessarily mean it's more true or less true than others. It follows that claiming your beliefs are based on an old source to give them some authority is silly, even more so when your beliefs evidently aren't based on that source.
- I don't know how to back that up but it seems to make sense.

I believe it is fine to believe anything you want as long as it doesn't harm others people in our current life (trying to prevent people from going to hell by annoying them in this life is not done).
- This might be a problem if the beliefs I picked are false in a way that will put me in hell. I guess spending eternity with a god who is an ***hat who sends good people to hell over trivial stuff is worse than hell to me, though... One could get used to torture, not to eternal shame.

I do not have any beliefs that I cannot back up. If you mean, back up with evidence that corrupted minds will find convincing? No, because nothing will convince them.
This statement just can't be true. Unless perhaps you are a robot and not a human?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5254203

I do not have any beliefs that I cannot back up. If you mean, back up with evidence that corrupted minds will find convincing? No, because nothing will convince them.

Nice cop-out, deliberately excluding "corrupted minds." I assume those are people not of your Faith or of one you condescend to recognize.

I believe there is a large number of gods (probably not possible to count), and that I interact with some of them.

My, my, but you seem to love Ancient Greece. ;)

I believe humor is very important to teaching, but I am finding very little research to back it up :(

I believe humor is very important to teaching, but I am finding very little research to back it up :(

I guess you learnt that the joke's on you.

I guess you learnt that the joke's on you.
Thought I'd learned that long ago, but my brain doesn't seem to agree :p

My, my, but you seem to love Ancient Greece. ;)

For every philosophical idea anyone can come up with, there is an ancient Greek philosopher who thought of it before. And if there doesn't seem to be such a philosopher, that just means the guy has been forgotten, not that he didn't exist :) .

Yeah, I do like ancient Greece (and the Roman empire, too), but I'm even more fond of ancient Mesopotamia.

I still believe that all human beings have a brain and are capable of using it.
I also believe that although most people choose not to use it, they can eventually learn better.


I know, pretty naive of me.