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So what say you NSG? Who here would revel in the torturing of Sean Hannity? Who would laugh hysterically when he soils himself? If he's really going to put up to this then he needs to get the real deal. I endured this horrible procedure as it was part of my 02 training. It's a horrible experience even when you are pretty sure the people doing it (fellow Marines) are not going to kill you. Link to video (http://vodpod.com/watch/1554881-olbermann-calls-hannitys-bluff) Let's get to it Sean!

we've been talking about it in the torture memos thread.

but i dont think he was serious when he agreed to it. he just couldnt take the pressure of charles grodin looking at him and asking pushy questions.

I support Olbermann on this. I think he's an ass, but if he puts up $1,000 a second to test Hannity's ass-talking, he moves up a few notches in my book.

Who here would revel in the torturing of Sean Hannity?

Me.

Who would laugh hysterically when he soils himself?

Me again.

we've been talking about it in the torture memos thread.

but i dont think he was serious when he agreed to it. he just couldnt take the pressure of charles grodin looking at him and asking pushy questions.

This^^

Olbermann should definitely get to do it, Id lmfao! itd be great...

I'll say the same thing here. If he gets up and says that it's not torture, someone should just say, "See, it doesn't work. We tortured to get something as innocuous from you as admitting you're wrong and you didn't break. Totally useless information. Your cause doesn't fail. No one dies. But you gave nothing.

Now imagine you were trained and ready to kill and die for your cause. How much more would you endure not to give it up?"

Either way, he either admits it's torture or proves torture doesn't work.

This^^

Right, because Hannity is a loudmouthed, weasily coward sack of ____. Twenty seconds in and he'd be spilling his bank accounts, the first girl he ever kissed, that time he stole Daddy's truck an drunk drove it into the lake. He's a parasitic maggot and people believe, watch, and trust him.

I'll say the same thing here. If he gets up and says that it's not torture, someone should just say, "See, it doesn't work. We tortured to get something as innocuous from you as admitting you're wrong and you didn't break. Totally useless information. Your cause doesn't fail. No one dies. But you gave nothing.

Now imagine you were trained and ready to kill and die for your cause. How much more would you endure not to give it up?"

Either way, he either admits it's torture or proves torture doesn't work.

I say he does both. Gives up the goods and admits that it's torture. That empty suit would be scrambled.

I'll say the same thing here. If he gets up and says that it's not torture, someone should just say, "See, it doesn't work. We tortured to get something as innocuous from you as admitting you're wrong and you didn't break. Totally useless information. Your cause doesn't fail. No one dies. But you gave nothing.

Now imagine you were trained and ready to kill and die for your cause. How much more would you endure not to give it up?"

Either way, he either admits it's torture or proves torture doesn't work.

I wanna know, how big is the pressure for him to go through with it right now?

I wanna know, how big is the pressure for him to go through with it right now?
i dont think his employers would agree to it.

i dont think his WIFE would agree to it (i know i wouldnt if i had the misfortune to be married to that sorry sack of shit).

ok, that was enough aggravation before bed for me. Good night all.

i vote they make the safe word be "i masterminded 9/11". none of that pussy dropping-a-thing-you're-holding like hitchens did.

i dont think his WIFE would agree to it (i know i wouldnt if i had the misfortune to be married to that sorry sack of shit).

*cough* His body, he gets to choose what to do with it *cough*

Right, because Hannity is a loudmouthed, weasily coward sack of ____. Twenty seconds in and he'd be spilling his bank accounts, the first girl he ever kissed, that time he stole Daddy's truck an drunk drove it into the lake. He's a parasitic maggot and people believe, watch, and trust him.

A minute in, he'd be detailing his gay sex relationship with O'Reilly, his own personal involvement in the assassinations of both Kennedy AND Lincoln, and giving full explanations of how he led the Mongol hordes in their conquest of Asia.

The only downside of someone like Hannity putting his mouth where his money is, is that he knows they'd STOP torturing him as soon as he wanted them to. He's never going to be waterboarded for two hours, even if he follows through on the checks his mouth wrote, that his body is loathe to cash.

i dont think his employers would agree to it.

i dont think his WIFE would agree to it (i know i wouldnt if i had the misfortune to be married to that sorry sack of shit).

What? Like she couldn't handle having her husband scarred for life and pissing himself whenever he gets upset for science?

*cough* His body, he gets to choose what to do with it *cough*
absolutely.

and she has the right to decide what to do with hers.

absolutely.

and she has the right to decide what to do with hers.

Indeed. Just saying, if you were married to him, you can't not let him do it. You can leave his stupid ass, but he can still do it if he wants.

Indeed. Just saying, if you were married to him, you can't not let him do it. You can leave his stupid ass, but he can still do it if he wants.
yup

but it would be my duty as a loyal wife to tell him "NO sean you cant do that"

then to leave his scarred ass when he went through with it anyway.

although its so hard to say, anyone who would marry that idiot might well think that waterboarding is a great idea.

although its so hard to say, anyone who would marry that idiot might well think that waterboarding is a great idea.

I think it's a good idea for people to put their money where their mouth is, personally. It tends to teach them not to open their stupid mouths after a while.

Unfortunately, we can't force them to do it. It would be unethical. However, when they volunteer, I have no qualms.

I think they should replace waterboarding with playing selected musical tracks from Pat Boone, William Shatner, and Leonard Nimoy over and over and over and over and over etc.

That'd be worse than any current form of torture known to modern man.

I think they should replace waterboarding with playing selected musical tracks from Pat Boone, William Shatner, and Leonard Nimoy over and over and over and over and over etc.

That'd be worse than any current form of torture known to modern man.
you know they do that, eh?

not those artists. its usually some heavy metal.

He should be kidnapped from his house one night as he sleeps, bound, hooded, and gagged, thrown into the back of a van, and driven to a secret location for his waterboarding. Only after he breaks should they take the hood off and let him see the news cameras and Geraldo Rivera preparing for an interview. For realism, of course.

He should be kidnapped from his house one night as he sleeps, bound, hooded, and gagged, thrown into the back of a van, and driven to a secret location for his waterboarding. Only after he breaks should they take the hood off and let him see the news cameras and Geraldo Rivera preparing for an interview. For realism, of course.

Why Geraldo Rivera?

Why Geraldo Rivera?

because that is exactly his sort of gig, presumably

according to Mr. suits, waterboarding is when they tie you down. They stick a cloth in your mouth and over your face. They pull your head back. They then pour a pitcher of water on to the clothes and it causes "a mammalian" reflex.
What the heck is a mammalian reflex?

What the heck is a mammalian reflex?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e13RGx1zVV0

He should be kidnapped from his house one night as he sleeps, bound, hooded, and gagged, thrown into the back of a van, and driven to a secret location for his waterboarding. Only after he breaks should they take the hood off and let him see the news cameras and Geraldo Rivera preparing for an interview. For realism, of course.

I'm pretty sure that would be illegal.

I'm pretty sure that would be illegal.

Did the administration whose dick Hannity can't get enough sucking care?

Did the administration whose dick Hannity can't get enough sucking care?

It doesn't matter. It's still illegal. Not to mention, that administration is no longer in office.

It doesn't matter. It's still illegal. Not to mention, that administration is no longer in office.

Surely we could find someone to "argue" it's legal, innit?

Surely we could find someone to "argue" it's legal, innit?

I'm sure you could find someone to argue that kidnapping is legal, but they'd be wrong.

I'm sure you could find someone to argue that kidnapping is legal, but they'd be wrong.

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I'm pretty sure that would be illegal.

Irony I hope would not be lost on Mr. Hannity.

Irony I hope would not be lost on Mr. Hannity.

Right-wing talking heads don't understand irony. If they did, they would implode.

I am Wilgrove, and I support Hannity get water boarded.

I also support making it a Prime Time TV event.

I support the water boarding of Sean Hannity.

I got distracted by the way that Olbermann guy was talking.

Do all American news programmes use things like "evildoer"?

I got distracted by the way that Olbermann guy was talking.

Do all American news programmes use things like "evildoer"?

He's mocking Bush.

I don't care how dumb or hateful he is--it shouldn't be allowed. Not on terrorists, and not on Sean Hannity.

I don't enjoy the idea of any living thing in pain.

according to Mr. suits, waterboarding is when they tie you down. They stick a cloth in your mouth and over your face. They pull your head back. They then pour a pitcher of water on to the clothes and it causes "a mammalian" reflex.
What the heck is a mammalian reflex?

Wiki it. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammalian_diving_reflex)

When the face is submerged in cold water, heart rate slows dramatically and blood is largely rerouted from the limbs and intestines to make a heart-brain loop, conserving oxygen and allowing mammals to survive longer. In humans (and most other mammals, I think) this reflex is only activated when the face is submerged.

To be a Devil's Advocate, do we really want to waterboard Hannity? Think about it, he could end up spilling all those sordid details about him and Ann Coulter after-hours on live TV?

Hm...

Only if these awesome guys (www.propagandhi.com) get to make the song about it. ;)

They've already done the hypothetical trial of Rummy, and the "Flensing" of Sandor Katz. Why not the real torture of Sean Hannity? Sounds like a step up in badassery, if that's even possible. :D

Me.



Me again.

you are easily amused

I don't care how dumb or hateful he is--it shouldn't be allowed. Not on terrorists, and not on Sean Hannity.

I don't enjoy the idea of any living thing in pain.
****ing told like it is. ;)

He's mocking Bush.

You'd think they would be off that seeing as Bush is gone...

You'd think they would be off that seeing as Bush is gone...

Well Obama is actually competent and not a bumbling idiot, so there's not much to make fun of.

You'd think they would be off that seeing as Bush is gone...

Hitler is still talked about. So is Stalin, Genghis Khan and Pol Pot.

Why should it be different with Bush?

you are easily amused

I would enjoy seeing Sean Hannity suffer.

Hannity is so stupid that if he stubbed his toe, it would take five minutes for him to feel any pain.

I don't care how dumb or hateful he is--it shouldn't be allowed. Not on terrorists, and not on Sean Hannity.

I don't enjoy the idea of any living thing in pain.

Can something as stupid as Hannity even feel pain? Not that I endorse waterboarding him, I'm just sayin'.

He either does it and admits its torture, or doesn't do it... and therefore, admits its torture.

I don't like this Hannity man, what a dick, but who was that man calling him a buffoon etc? Not very professional news reporting.

I think they should replace waterboarding with playing selected musical tracks from Pat Boone, William Shatner, and Leonard Nimoy over and over and over and over and over etc.

That'd be worse than any current form of torture known to modern man.

That was a torture in a 1950s film (though the Eastern Germans used only one song which was popular at that time).

I don't like this Hannity man, what a dick, but who was that man calling him a buffoon etc? Not very professional news reporting.

That depends what you believe a news reporter's job is. Report the truth or not be offensive.

I don't like this Hannity man, what a dick, but who was that man calling him a buffoon etc? Not very professional news reporting.
oh thats not news reporting. the news channels have .... commentators/pundits who have shows where they get to give their slant on the news of the day.

thats what keith was doing.

That depends what you believe a news reporter's job is. Report the truth or not be offensive.

They manage both over here. There isn't some sort of ongoing insult war between news stations.

They manage both over here. There isn't some sort of ongoing insult war between news stations.
i think its a kind of publicity thing where they build up each other by tearing each other down and increase the audience for both.

They manage both over here. There isn't some sort of ongoing insult war between news stations.

i think its a kind of publicity thing where they build up each other by tearing each other down and increase the audience for both.

It's the American way.

I do not support this. I don't support torture in any form. This is using torture for entertainment. Sort of akin to using death for entertainment. Torture should not be used on anyone, anywhere, for any purpose.

I do not support this. I don't support torture in any form. This is using torture for entertainment. Sort of akin to using death for entertainment. Torture should not be used on anyone, anywhere, for any purpose.

I'm not a Hannity hater. I don't support torture. But if a person has the power to say, "enough" and have an interrogation proceedure halted, then it's simply a matter of figuratively displaying the size (or lack thereof) of your cajones. It becomes a game of chicken.

This technique has become public knowledge. Why not have it become an controlled volunteer entertainment? Plus, this is good for charity.

Meanwhile, I'm certain that government scientists are working on perfecting the next harsh interrogation technique. :p

Hrm. Kind of split. On one side, if he comes out smiling, it's practically advocating this whole thing. On the other, he might change his views on it after being waterboarded. Hard to tell.

I do not support this. I don't support torture in any form. This is using torture for entertainment. Sort of akin to using death for entertainment. Torture should not be used on anyone, anywhere, for any purpose.

In this case with a voluntary subject I find it okay.
Let us put the debate to an End by showing this to all Americans for what it really is. I have written a letter volunteering for that if Sean does not.

Oh, BTW, I don't know how effective the proceedure is. But even if it always eventually works, strong mental preparation could be a factor in the amount of time that it could be endured.

There was a study that used rats in a "drowning pool". The first goup of rats were lowered on a platform and swam until they ran out of energy, and drowned. A second group of rats were then subjected to the drowning pool, but as the time neared the failing point for the first group, they were lifted out of the water. The next day, the rats were again lowered into the drowning pool and were made to swim until they started to fail. The point in time at which they began drowning was twice as long as the first group of rats, who had no expectation of being saved.

I don't care how dumb or hateful he is--it shouldn't be allowed. Not on terrorists, and not on Sean Hannity.

I don't enjoy the idea of any living thing in pain.

I disagree -and this is despite my extreme aversion to the concept of torture.

Hannity is part of a cabal that insists that it isn't torture. They justify their own positions by their insistence on that article of faith, and they allow such cruelty to prevail, because they deny it's cruel.

An article of faith like that will not be swayed by public opinion, a well-reasoned argument, or convincing data... but it could be swayed by allowing the person who says it ISN'T torture, to try it.

Remember - he says it's not torture. You're saying he shouldn't be allowed to be NOT tortured?

Why is there no "would you pay to see this?" poll?

Whats the point of this entire exercise? If he does it, does it prove any more or less that its torture? If he volunteers to have his fingers cut off does that also prove its not torture?

I do not support this. I don't support torture in any form. This is using torture for entertainment. Sort of akin to using death for entertainment. Torture should not be used on anyone, anywhere, for any purpose.

No, it's not torture for entertainment - way to miss the whole point.

Sean says it's NOT torture. He's willing to put his money where his mouth is to prove that. Allegedly.

It's proving a point, about torture. It's making or breaking a whole argument that hinges on the repeated assertions (in the direct face of overwhelming evidence) that it's NOT torture.

The fact that he's practically guaranteed to backpeddle means the thing won't take place, anyway, and Hannity will have been shown to lack the courage of his convictions.

Why is there no "would you pay to see this?" poll?

Actually, I'd rather see a "time-elapsed" competition. Competative Waterboarding! You could have "drag races" between liberal and conservative volunteers. Also, you could have Team Sponsors of different interrogation teams: Home Depot, Sears, Viagra....

Whats the point of this entire exercise? If he does it, does it prove any more or less that its torture? If he volunteers to have his fingers cut off does that also prove its not torture?

The point of the exercise is that, when someone put together a strong argument that it WAS torture, Hannity took it as bait, and rose to it.

People have been being tortured in the US. The ONLY way this argument is even still going, is because a core of influential people constantly claim it's NOT torture.

The 'point' would be that Hannity will back down, because - no matter what he said - he's afraid of it, because it's torture.

If he actually went through with it, he'd say it was torture.

Either way, one of the influential people for the lie might retract his support.

Actually, I'd rather see a "time-elapsed" competition. Competative Waterboarding! You could have "drag races" between liberal and conservative volunteers. Also, you could have Team Sponsors of different interrogation teams: Home Depot, Sears, Viagra....
Would they compete for the poll position? :wink:

Would they compete for the poll position? :wink:

I think, for the interrogation teams, there would be a "qualifying round", where you would have to get the desired information in an predetermined amount of time. Likewise, a contestant would have to endure the treatment for a certain amount of time. Then cut each of the fields in half with the best interrogators and the most resistant contestants advancing to the next round, all the way to the last two teams and two contestants.

I think, for the interrogation teams, there would be a "qualifying round", where you would have to get the desired information in an predetermined amount of time. Likewise, a contestant would have to endure the treatment for a certain amount of time. Then cut each of the fields in half with the best interrogators and the most resistant contestants advancing to the next round, all the way to the last two teams and two contestants.Literally cut each field in half? That would be entertaining!

Literally cut each field in half? That would be entertaining!

I like to think so.... Still I don't think the novelty would last for more than one season on television.:wink:

Remember - he says it's not torture. You're saying he shouldn't be allowed to be NOT tortured?

I stand beside my previous statement. This is, in the minds of many people more reasonable than Hannity, torture. I don't support the torture of any living being. I realize that this provides an opportunity to make a point or teach a lesson, but it comes at too high a price for me.

Oh, BTW, I don't know how effective the proceedure is. But even if it always eventually works, strong mental preparation could be a factor in the amount of time that it could be endured.

Trained CIA men last fourteen seconds on average.

I don't care how dumb or hateful he is--it shouldn't be allowed. Not on terrorists, and not on Sean Hannity.

I don't enjoy the idea of any living thing in pain.

Why object when its voluntary? The moral high ground you hold evaporates when youre not letting people do things like this out of their own free will.

My only issue would be that weasely, wormy little slimeball would say "Its not torture" even after he soiled himself after 20 seconds, just so he could be right. And then the right wing, in lockstep would shout "SEE WE TOLD YOU SO".

I don't care how dumb or hateful he is--it shouldn't be allowed. Not on terrorists, and not on Sean Hannity.

I don't enjoy the idea of any living thing in pain.

I support the idiotic blowhard volunteering to have it done to him.

Trained CIA men last fourteen seconds on average.

No they don't. The average time for people it has been used on is 14 seconds.

Why object when its voluntary? The moral high ground you hold evaporates when youre not letting people do things like this out of their own free will.

My only issue would be that weasely, wormy little slimeball would say "Its not torture" even after he soiled himself after 20 seconds, just so he could be right. And then the right wing, in lockstep would shout "SEE WE TOLD YOU SO".

Who cares what he says afterwards, though. Ask him, "Is this torture?" while waterboarding him, and see what he says. I think what he says while being waterboarded is important.

Who cares what he says afterwards, though. Ask him, "Is this torture?" while waterboarding him, and see what he says. I think what he says while being waterboarded is important.

Hehe, good call. I never thought about that.

Itd also be nice to video type it. Not because I plan on getting off to it (unlike certian posters who shall remain nameless, but we all know who Im refering to, I do not get off to war crimes) but because while hes being waterboarded, we can ask him if its torture. Then, if he goes on TV and says its not, we can show the videotape of him saying it was and point out that he just said whatever we wanted him to say.

Thus, forcing him to admit its either torture or ineffective.

I stand beside my previous statement. This is, in the minds of many people more reasonable than Hannity, torture. I don't support the torture of any living being. I realize that this provides an opportunity to make a point or teach a lesson, but it comes at too high a price for me.

It isn't like it is being forced or he has any chance of dieing. He wants to be a retard, let him do it.

(unlike certian posters who shall remain nameless, but we all know who Im refering to, I do not get off to war crimes)

It wouldn't be a war crime per se, but I WOULD get off on it.

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Uhm, wait. Am I the one you refer to?

It wouldn't be a war crime per se, but I WOULD get off on it.

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Uhm, wait. Am I the one you refer to?

No.

No.

Oh.

Okay, carry on, then. By the way, if Hannity DID soil his pants it'd be SO FUNNY! :D

Trained CIA men last fourteen seconds on average.

Source?

Oh.

Okay, carry on, then. By the way, if Hannity DID soil his pants it'd be SO FUNNY! :D

H2... Some days, you're no better than the scum you despise.

H2... Some days, you're no better than the scum you despise.

Ok, seriously, Hannity wetting his pants after all the shit hes said, during a VOLUNTARY event, would be really funny.

Hrm. Kind of split. On one side, if he comes out smiling, it's practically advocating this whole thing. On the other, he might change his views on it after being waterboarded. Hard to tell.
if he could come out smiling, its not torture.

if he could come out smiling, its not torture.

Eh, maybe Hannity is a closed masochist? Maybe the whole thing will just really really turn him on?

Ok, seriously, Hannity wetting his pants after all the shit hes said, during a VOLUNTARY event, would be really funny.

I disagree. Hannity, while being scum, is still a human being. Well... Sort of. Point is, whether he denies it's torture or not, it is torture, and torture is, in my opinion, the greatest atrocity the human race, as a whole, has ever committed. Thing is, either Hannity knows it's torture, and is going to back out of it, or the nitwit really doesn't know what he's going into. It's like allowing a blind man to walk into a maze, and laughing about it all (If you make the blind man the kind of guy who would laugh at such things... Which would only make it ironic, and still rather disturbing). I find it very disturbing, on all levels.

if he could come out smiling, its not torture.

If he comes out smiling, I'll doubt that he's human.

I disagree. Hannity, while being scum, is still a human being. Well... Sort of. Point is, whether he denies it's torture or not, it is torture, and torture is, in my opinion, the greatest atrocity the human race, as a whole, has ever committed. Thing is, either Hannity knows it's torture, and is going to back out of it, or the nitwit really doesn't know what he's going into. It's like allowing a blind man to walk into a maze, and laughing about it all (If you make the blind man the kind of guy who would laugh at such things... Which would only make it ironic, and still rather disturbing). I find it very disturbing, on all levels.

Difference is, its not like Hannity is being exploited. Hes CHOOSING to do it.

Difference is, its not like Hannity is being exploited. Hes CHOOSING to do it.

That makes it better? He's still a blind man in a maze... Or he'll prove he still has something resembling common sense, and he'll back out of it. Volunteering for it doesn't make this any better.

That makes it better?

Erm...yes?


Unless you want to argue that volunteering for something is just as bad as being detained without your rights and having it forced on you...

Erm...yes?


Unless you want to argue that volunteering for something is just as bad as being detained without your rights and having it forced on you...

No, I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing that Hannity has no clue what he's going into, or else he wouldn't be whining about how 'It's not torture!'. If he had any kind of hint of what this really was, then I might not be quite so opposed to it, but I'm not much for schadenfreude.

No, I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing that Hannity has no clue what he's going into, or else he wouldn't be whining about how 'It's not torture!'. If he had any kind of hint of what this really was, then I might not be quite so opposed to it, but I'm not much for schadenfreude.

His own stupidity is not a concern of mine. The vast majority of America knows its torture and would NEVER volunteer for this.

His own stupidity is not a concern of mine. The vast majority of America knows its torture and would NEVER volunteer for this.
Yeah, and that's the point that I've been repeating. He has NO CLUE. It's simply not funny unless the person knows what they're going through, and even then, for me, it's a bit of a stretch.

H2... Some days, you're no better than the scum you despise.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeroicSociopath

But the fact is we take too much crap from them.

Let's see here:

Michael Savage calls liberals sexual predators. pedophiles, claims liberalism is a mental disease.
Hannity et al call liberals America-haters.
Michelle Bachmann calls for an investigation on "anti-American" congresspeople, HUAC style.

And so on.

Quosque tandem? The guy is offering to get waterboarded, splendid! I get to watch him suffer AND lose the argument at the same time!

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Yeah, and that's the point that I've been repeating. He has NO CLUE. It's simply not funny unless the person knows what they're going through, and even then, for me, it's a bit of a stretch.

Unless Hannity is a god damn moron with the IQ of a rock, he knows it is torture. However, being one of the most stubborn asses in the stable, he has to prove what he knows is true isn't true in order to make liberals look bad. Good thing he has an anti-paradox circuit.

Unless Hannity is a god damn moron with the IQ of a rock, he knows it is torture. However, being one of the most stubborn asses in the stable, he has to prove what he knows is true isn't true in order to make liberals look bad. Good thing he has an anti-paradox circuit.

It is not torture, I have undeniable proof (warning this video is top secret, do not tell anyone I showed you this):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrNyEfxKDAw

It is not torture, I have undeniable proof (warning this video is top secret, do not tell anyone I showed you this):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrNyEfxKDAw&feature=PlayList&p=D15C79754155FA46&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2

That's not waterboarding, sweetie.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeroicSociopath

Richard? Is that you?

But the fact is we take too much crap from them.

Let's see here:

Michael Savage calls liberals sexual predators. pedophiles, claims liberalism is a mental disease.
Hannity et al call liberals America-haters.
Michelle Bachmann calls for an investigation on "anti-American" congresspeople, HUAC style.

And so on.

So? Break out the constitution, get someone knowledgeable on air, set up a debate, and interrupt them in the middle of their sentences. Anyone with 2/3rds of a working mind will stop tuning in, except for the laughs provided.

This may have already been tried, I don't watch a whole lot of TV anymore. Or Talk radio.

That's not waterboarding, sweetie.

Those were CIA operatives you were watching there, that video was taken from a top secret base. The guy was waterboarded for being a total 'fag' apparently.

Those were CIA operatives you were watching there, that video was taken from a top secret base. The guy was waterboarded for being a total 'fag' apparently.

You're funny.

I'm keeping you for my experiments.

You're funny.

I'm keeping you for my experiments.
Now, now, H2, what did your parents tell you about keeping your subjects in the house?:p

Richard? Is that you?

So? Break out the constitution, get someone knowledgeable on air, set up a debate, and interrupt them in the middle of their sentences. Anyone with 2/3rds of a working mind will stop tuning in, except for the laughs provided.

This may have already been tried, I don't watch a whole lot of TV anymore. Or Talk radio.

1- More like Mayuri Kurotsuchi.

2- If it worked, it'd already be over.

You're funny.

I'm keeping you for my experiments.

Are you a dude or a chick?

Now, now, H2, what did your parents tell you about keeping your subjects in the house?:p

I, blissfully, live alone. :D

1- More like Mayuri Kurotsuchi.

2- If it worked, it'd already be over.

1. Who?

2. Maybe you need someone who's incredibly rude, and despises Hannity with a passion... H2, how's your weekend looking? :tongue:

Are you a dude or a chick?

Yes.

1. Who?

2. Maybe you need someone who's incredibly rude, and despises Hannity with a passion... H2, how's your weekend looking? :tongue:

1- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayuri_Kurotsuchi#Mayuri_Kurotsuchi

2- He'd not listen to a "furriner".

yes.

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No.

No.

That is the face I make when I'm waterboared. It indicates how much pleasure I'm feeling.

That is the face I make when I'm waterboared. It indicates how much pleasure I'm feeling.

Ok.

Ok.

(wo)man of few words?

1- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayuri_Kurotsuchi#Mayuri_Kurotsuchi

2- He'd not listen to a "furriner".

1. Ugh.

2. I have one of those fancy, portable radio earpieces with me, and I'm not a half-bad actor. You wait in a hotel, watch, and tell me what to do and say to Hannity.:p

Wait, that might not work so well... "Damn it CM, kick him in the nuts!"
"Erm... Alright then..."

His own stupidity is not a concern of mine. The vast majority of America knows its torture and would NEVER volunteer for this.

I take it his point is that by virtue of simply volunteering for such a process one can assume that Hannity is obviously not competent enough to make such a decision.

I'd disagree. We allow people to swallow swords and hang themselves off meat hooks so long as it is voluntary, this is no different except that watching that silly fool cry afterwards might bring some pleasure to the retributive sadist in me.

Source?

Right here. (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1322866)

No they don't. The average time for people it has been used on is 14 seconds.

Sorry, what was that again?

retributive sadist

Oh, THAT'S what I am! Thanks, I finally found a definition!

Oh, THAT'S what I am! Thanks, I finally found a definition!

Glad to be of help. We should all be able to label and categorize our character flaws. ;)

Unless Hannity is a god damn moron with the IQ of a rock, he knows it is torture. However, being one of the most stubborn asses in the stable, he has to prove what he knows is true isn't true in order to make liberals look bad. Good thing he has an anti-paradox circuit.

Um, he is a moron with the IQ of a rock.

While I agree that Hannity should be allowed to go through with this--provided the right precautions are taken--I will only take pleasure in the fact that he will likely have to recant his opinions. I will take no pleasure in his suffering, however, and I believe I shall lose all respect for the people that do.

I believe I shall lose all respect for the people that do.

Why? It's an emotional reaction and, as such, is not something that is controllable by the subject. Respect is, at best, only partially an emotional reaction (though I really feel it is an entirely intellectual thing, but that is for another thread), so it seems a bit petty to begrudge people for something that is outside their control.

While I agree that Hannity should be allowed to go through with this--provided the right precautions are taken--I will only take pleasure in the fact that he will likely have to recant his opinions. I will take no pleasure in his suffering, however, and I believe I shall lose all respect for the people that do.
Does delighting in the irony of his potential suffering at the mercy of something he doesn't consider torture count?

I'd enjoy this much more if it were a TV show and not actual people being tortured so they'd admit they're wrong.

I'd enjoy this much more if it were a TV show and not actual people being tortured so they'd admit they're wrong.

I'd enjoy this much more if it were a TV show and not actual people being tortured so they'd admit they're wrong.

They could be tortured until they admit they only agreed to it to get on TV :p

I'd enjoy this much more if it were a TV show and not actual people being tortured so they'd admit they're wrong.

It is a TV show, and Hannity isn't an actual person.

They could be tortured until they admit they only agreed to it to get on TV :p
Isn't Hannity already a TV presenter or something?
It is a TV show, and Hannity isn't an actual person.

Right......

That was a torture in a 1950s film (though the Eastern Germans used only one song which was popular at that time).

I never saw a film with that as a form of torture. My suggestion was actually based on what my roommate and I were planning to do at a paintball big game at EMR (http://www.emrpaintball.com/). William Shatner was the General opposing the team we were on, so we were going to loop Shatner's "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" near their main base, in an effort to get them to abandon it for long periods of time. Unfortunately, we abandoned that plan, as we forgot important components of our plan (namely, the CD we burned and the boombox).

...and Hannity isn't an actual person.
Why isn't he?

Why isn't he?

If Hannity gets to tamper with the definition of the word "torture" to exclude waterboarding, I get to tamper with the definition of the word "person" to exclude him.

If Hannity gets to tamper with the definition of the word "torture" to exclude waterboarding, I get to tamper with the definition of the word "person" to exclude him.

Well, see now that's the entire point. He does not, in fact, get to tamper with the word torture to exclude waterboarding. He believes he does, but his belief is incorrect.

Well, see now that's the entire point. He does not, in fact, get to tamper with the word torture to exclude waterboarding. He believes he does, but his belief is incorrect.

Well, then, let's waterboard that point home, shall we?

It is not torture, I have undeniable proof (warning this video is top secret, do not tell anyone I showed you this):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrNyEfxKDAw

I think this video is more convincing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

Well, then, let's waterboard that point home, shall we?

I'm not disagreeing that it wouldn't be fun to see. I have no illusions that people, whether they admit it or not, possess a certain degree of sadism within them. This is why we have "slapstick" humor. Hell, it's why we have humor in general.

With that said, I do not endorse or condone active dehumanization of the targets of such so as to justify this primal component of human nature.

I'm not disagreeing that it wouldn't be fun to see. I have no illusions that people, whether they admit it or not, possess a certain degree of sadism within them. This is why we have "slapstick" humor. Hell, it's why we have humor in general.

With that said, I do not endorse or condone active dehumanization of the targets of such so as to justify this primal component of human nature.

It's what he does. And one of my favorite video game series is Mega Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Man_(video_game)#Gameplay). :p

It's what he does.
Yup, he also believes torture is an acceptable method of data acquisition. I do not base my choices on his failed premises.
And one of my favorite video game series is Mega Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Man_(video_game)#Gameplay). :p

Over my head? :( Never really played the Mega Man games much....and I'm currently dying of hunger so the brain is not at its top notch. Why the hell don't libraries have waiters and serve food while you study?

Well, then, let's waterboard that point home, shall we?

You are exuding a level of circular logic that is rivaled only by the clinically insane and every theistic apologist I've ever known, to name a few interesting personalities. This is highly uncharacteristic. Please stop...

Seriously. You want to be no better than him? No better than an Islamic fundamentalist? I'm sorry, but I just can't be with you on this one. I try to aspire to a different standard. One I believe is at least marginally higher than one that would endorse something like this.

This kind of thinking is what is fucking up this nation and world. Everyone wants a goddamn spectacle now, and waterboarding Hannity would be the pinnacle of this aspect of our drugged-up, watered-down civilization.

He should be kidnapped from his house one night as he sleeps, bound, hooded, and gagged, thrown into the back of a van, and driven to a secret location for his waterboarding. Only after he breaks should they take the hood off and let him see the news cameras and Geraldo Rivera preparing for an interview. For realism, of course.

I agree ... while the method is torture, to understand what the people the US was putting through he really needs to be put in the above situation where not only are you being tortured but also in a helpless situation being held without trial and no clear future

You are exuding a level of circular logic that is rivaled only by the clinically insane and every theistic apologist I've ever known, to name a few interesting personalities. This is highly uncharacteristic. Please stop...

Seriously. You want to be no better than him? No better than an Islamic fundamentalist? I'm sorry, but I just can't be with you on this one. I try to aspire to a different standard. One I believe is at least marginally higher than one that would endorse something like this.

This kind of thinking is what is fucking up this nation and world. Everyone wants a goddamn spectacle now, and waterboarding Hannity would be the pinnacle of this aspect of our drugged-up, watered-down civilization.

He asked for it. And, I mean, LITERALLY. :p

Yup, he also believes torture is an acceptable method of data acquisition. I do not base my choices on his failed premises.


Over my head? :( Never really played the Mega Man games much....and I'm currently dying of hunger so the brain is not at its top notch. Why the hell don't libraries have waiters and serve food while you study?

Mega Man is able to COPY THE WEAPONS of the enemies he fights. :p

Mega Man is able to COPY THE WEAPONS of the enemies he fights. :p

Oh......I must submit to your superior retro-video game humor. :(

Still need food.

Oh......I must submit to your superior retro-video game humor. :(

Everyone does, eventually.

Hand me that bottle of lubricant, will you?

I will volunteer to do the waterboarding, but only on one condition. I get to use a TASER afterwords.

Why? It's an emotional reaction and, as such, is not something that is controllable by the subject. Respect is, at best, only partially an emotional reaction (though I really feel it is an entirely intellectual thing, but that is for another thread), so it seems a bit petty to begrudge people for something that is outside their control.

We may not be able to control our emotions, but we do choose how we respond to them. While on a baser emotional level it does seem like poetic justice, it's still possible to actively refuse to take delight in such a barbaric fashion.

Does delighting in the irony of his potential suffering at the mercy of something he doesn't consider torture count?

I wouldn't think so. It is after all, a different train of thought than "I find this man to be reprehensible, so I delight in the suffering he takes".

If Hannity gets to tamper with the definition of the word "torture" to exclude waterboarding, I get to tamper with the definition of the word "person" to exclude him.

Mega Man is able to COPY THE WEAPONS of the enemies he fights. :p
You are a funny little man.

With questionable ethics.

You are a funny little man.

With questionable ethics.

Indeed.

Indeed.

So you are aware of the corruption in your heart? Please read the scriptures, you are on the path to recovery.

Oh, do you have to push your religion on everyone? You have no idea how annoying it is.

I am not pushing it, God gave us the wonderful gift of free will. Heikoku can choose to be right or wrong.

You know what, I've already done this with you once, and I'm pretty much tired of repeating myself, so I won't even bother to respond to that. But you are pushing your religion in his face.

You know what, I've already done this with you once, and I'm pretty much tired of repeating myself, so I won't even bother to respond to that. But you are pushed your religion in his face.

No I am not 'pushed your religion in his face'. I am many things, enlightened, Christian, moral, intelligent, but 'pushed your religion in his face' I am not.

So you are aware of the corruption in your heart? Please read the scriptures, you are on the path to recovery.

*Reads "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett*

Now THOSE are scriptures.

*Reads "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett*

Now THOSE are scriptures.

That is fiction. What you need is truth.

I reworded that and forgot to change that

That is fiction. What you need is truth.

That is fiction. What you need is fiction. I am fiction. You are fiction. The world is fiction. Fiction is fiction.

SOYLENT GREEN... IS FICTION!!!

No! Soylent Green is people!

That is fiction. What you need is fiction. I am fiction. You are fiction. The world is fiction. Fiction is fiction.

SOYLENT GREEN... IS FICTION!!!

I see the corruption in your heart is starting to strengthen again, you are no longer thinking straight.

I see the corruption in your heart is starting to strengthen again, you are no longer thinking straight.

Damn right I'm not.

Come here, you hunky piece of man-flesh...

I shall pray silently for you.

I shall pray silently for you.

And I thank you very much for the bolded.

And I thank you very much for the bolded.

I shall pray loudly and in Latin for you.

I shall pray loudly and in Latin for you.

I shall sing the soundtrack of Evangelion for you.

I shall sing the soundtrack of Evangelion for you.

sweet

I shall make Sean Hannity beg for mercy for you all. And I shall not grant it

I shall make Sean Hannity beg for mercy for you all. And I shall not grant it

\o/

I shall sing the soundtrack of Evangelion for you.

Shal we see a Gainax Ending (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GainaxEnding)?

I'll say the same thing here. If he gets up and says that it's not torture, someone should just say, "See, it doesn't work..."
At that point, they should strap him back down and do it again, and again and again, ignoring his screams for them to stop and that they promised to do it to him just the once. And when they finally finish and tell him it's all over and they won't do it again; they wait for a few minutes, let him get his breath back, relax ... and then drag him back in for another few hours of fun.
It's only fair - if he's going to use this to 'prove' it's not torture, then it needs to be exactly as it was administered on the 'terrorists': minus the notion and promise that it'll end.
Anyone, even NM and DK, really think they first read the inmates before waterboarding the memo that told them they could only do x number of times a day and would have a physician in the room to make sure it was safety administered?

It is no longer known as waterboarding. Its the Sean Hannity treatment.

It is no longer known as waterboarding. Its the Sean Hannity treatment.

Recently released torture memos have shown, once and for all, that the US government does NOT waterboard. However, a new interrogation technique called "being Hannityed" is currently under investigation; current rumors are is that it is far worse than waterboarding as it includes having to listen to the silly twit tell you how you're not being tortured while being what was formerly known as waterboarded.

Right here. (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1322866)

Thanks.

That is fiction. What you need is truth.

How do you know that your truth is the real one?

How do you know that your truth is the real one?

Please don't start this again

I shall pray loudly and in Latin for you.
I would pay for someone to do that, only because Latin Chanting can make EVERYTHING so much more awesome.
Please don't start this again
I hear that all the time. I never listen though.:D

I would pay for someone to do that, only because Latin Chanting can make EVERYTHING so much more awesome.

I hear that all the time. I never listen though.:D

For my last final as an undergrad, I kind of want to hire a Gregorian choir to chant behind me really intensely while I fill in the last five scantron bubbles. And as I fill in the last circle, I'll have the room go dark, the choir hit its zenith pitch, and a spotlight blast right onto my exam. *nod*

I hear that all the time. I never listen though.:D

Listen this time

For my last final as an undergrad, I kind of want to hire a Gregorian choir to chant behind me really intensely while I fill in the last five scantron bubbles. And as I fill in the last circle, I'll have the room go dark, the choir hit its zenith pitch, and a spotlight blast right onto my exam. *nod*
That sounds like something I would do.*

If I had the money, or the balls to go through with it...
Listen this time
Never!:p

Recently released torture memos have shown, once and for all, that the US government does NOT waterboard. However, a new interrogation technique called "being Hannityed" is currently under investigation; current rumors are is that it is far worse than waterboarding as it includes having to listen to the silly twit tell you how you're not being tortured while being what was formerly known as waterboarded.

I see it's already catching on!

I'd love to see Hannity tortured, because as strong as my convictions are about the immorality of the enterprise, they pale in comparison to my lust to be right and see those who disagree with me suffer.

I don't watch a whole lot of TV anymore. Or Talk radio.
I don't watch radio at all.

I actually applaud Hannity for this. He's putting his money where his mouth is. How is that not a good thing?

Personally, I do think Waterboarding is a form of torture, but if one is going to defend it they certainly ought to be ready and willing to subject themselves to it to prove the point. I still disagree with him, but I respect what he's doing.

I actually applaud Hannity for this. He's putting his money where his mouth is. How is that not a good thing?


It would be if he was actually going to go through with it and it wasnt just dick waving.

He'll come up with an excuse and chicken out, and everyone but his viewers will see right through it.

It would be if he was actually going to go through with it and it wasnt just dick waving.

He'll come up with an excuse and chicken out, and everyone but his viewers will see right through it.

I agree with Trve, this will either blow over and be forgotten, or he'll find some way to pussy out.

It would be if he was actually going to go through with it and it wasnt just dick waving.

He'll come up with an excuse and chicken out, and everyone but his viewers will see right through it.
I have no doubt he'll go through with it. It's a few seconds of discomfit for him, and will give him years of ammunition to use against Obama.
He's only going to be waterboarded once and he'll then get to claim that it wasn't 'that bad'.

Conveniently ignoring the fact that when it was used against suspects, it was done repeatedly over days, weeks even, not just once. They never knew if and when the agents would stop doing it, never knew when it would be done again to them. They couldn't stop it if it became unbearable - unlike no doubt Hannity will be able to. Each and every time, they would be in fear that this time would be final - that an agent would make a 'mistake' and leave them upside down a few seconds too long (I've no doubt that the agents would stress this bit too, to add to the fear and uncertainty). They very likely didn't know that there was a doctor on stand-by (at least supposedly according to the memos) to save them if something went wrong.
Lastly, unlike Hannity who will waddle in fat, sunned and well-fed into a well-lit and heavily monitored room to get his 10 second thrill, the suspects very likely had had several days/weeks of humiliation, sensory and sleep -deprivation, sub-standard food, intense interogations, and other attacks on their physical and mental wellbeings done to break them completely.

So yes, he'll have it done to him. But it won't mean diddlysquat, except to the blinkered morons who believe his show.

I have no doubt he'll go through with it. It's a few seconds of discomfit for him, and will give him years of ammunition to use against Obama.
He's only going to be waterboarded once and he'll then get to claim that it wasn't 'that bad'.

Conveniently ignoring the fact that when it was used against suspects, it was done repeatedly over days, weeks even, not just once. They never knew if and when the agents would stop doing it, never knew when it would be done again to them. They couldn't stop it if it became unbearable - unlike no doubt Hannity will be able to. Each and every time, they would be in fear that this time would be final - that an agent would make a 'mistake' and leave them upside down a few seconds too long (I've no doubt that the agents would stress this bit too, to add to the fear and uncertainty). They very likely didn't know that there was a doctor on stand-by (at least supposedly according to the memos) to save them if something went wrong.
Lastly, unlike Hannity who will waddle in fat, sunned and well-fed into a well-lit and heavily monitored room to get his 10 second thrill, the suspects very likely had had several days/weeks of humiliation, sensory and sleep -deprivation, sub-standard food, intense interogations, and other attacks on their physical and mental wellbeings done to break them completely.

So yes, he'll have it done to him. But it won't mean diddlysquat, except to the blinkered morons who believe his show.

Now, if they really wanted to make it interesting...

Before the actual waterboarding someone should tell Hannity some innocuous tidbit, just about anything really, and then tell him to try and keep it a secret as long as possible. If it's not torture, then presumably he should be able to keep his mouth shut about it.

And then of course, instead of a one or two-time splash, they'll conduct a mini enhanced interrogation on him to try and get him to say that little tidbit, simulating the interrogation of a terrorism suspect and valuable information.

Then we'll see what he really thinks when it's done.

I'll say the same thing here. If he gets up and says that it's not torture, someone should just say, "See, it doesn't work. We tortured to get something as innocuous from you as admitting you're wrong and you didn't break. Totally useless information. Your cause doesn't fail. No one dies. But you gave nothing.

Now imagine you were trained and ready to kill and die for your cause. How much more would you endure not to give it up?"

Either way, he either admits it's torture or proves torture doesn't work.
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