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Now we all know that social networking sites like Facebook and MySpace can end up spelling your doom if you are a little too free with information (and or nekkid pictures). Employers will google names, and use people with network access to check you out. We leave data trails everywhere, on forums like there, and in records that may or may not be kept by our internet providers.

We've seen instances of how things discovered on the internet can lead to public figures being shamed, their integrity called into question. An interesting debate that can splinter off from this would be how attitudes towards this kind of massive glut of uncensored information sharing may have to change the way we view statements made by public figures (decades from now) when they were in high school, or college. I'd like to argue that the ubiquitous nature of this sort of online sharing will make it impossible for us to hold one another to strict standards, since all of us will be vulnerable to certain things being easily dredged up from our online past.

When I was thinking about the possible consequences of that, however, I realised...there's probably a great career opportunity out there for people who could be hired to, as much as is possible, ERASE that online history.

What would it take? Do you think this kind of thing would be more likely for those wanting to cover up anything that might be used against them later on in life? Or will we go with the idea that posting on stormfront back in junior high won't be seen as a huge deal in a few decades?

If your facebook can only be viewed by 'friends', how can hypothetical employers simply view all your pics and stuff?

I've always wondered about that . . .

Amusingly enough I got a phone call today... if I brush up on my web programming I could work for a dating website.

If your facebook can only be viewed by 'friends', how can hypothetical employers simply view all your pics and stuff?

I've always wondered about that . . .

It's all about being reaaaaly careful about your settings. For example, your profile may only be set to 'friends', but you may have allowed your albums to be viewed by 'friends of friends' or others in your network. I'd take a check if I were you.

I know that many lawfirms get their articling students (who are usually in the same network as potential hires) to get them info from Facebook if they can.

I thought I was being careful...I refused a friend request from one of my drunken aunts :D Well, seems she'd been viewing my albums through my cousin anyway. Resetting those babies...

Also...people upload a metric fuckload of pics to Facebook, without necessarily asking permission of the subjects. Mobile updates, digital cameras...all of a sudden you may find yourself in someone's album, doing something nasty with that girl in Tijuana. You know, the one who had relations with the donkey first.

So picture two teams. One team is trying to discredit someone in the public eye, dredging up all sort of dirt on them from the internet. The other team is trying to make said dirt go away. Who do you think would win? What kind of resources would the latter team need to be competitive?

Pretty sure it's all out there permanently these days. So you'd have to speak to the respective teams. US/CAN/UK/AUS/NZ gov? well yeah, they know everything already if they want to look it up.

Regular corporation, probably you could clean up. Though there still is shit like google cache.

Pretty sure it's all out there permanently these days. So you'd have to speak to the respective teams. US/CAN/UK/AUS/NZ gov? well yeah, they know everything already if they want to look it up.

Regular corporation, probably you could clean up. Though there still is shit like google cache.
What is google cache?

It's all about being reaaaaly careful about your settings. For example, your profile may only be set to 'friends', but you may have allowed your albums to be viewed by 'friends of friends' or others in your network. I'd take a check if I were you.

I know that many lawfirms get their articling students (who are usually in the same network as potential hires) to get them info from Facebook if they can.

I thought I was being careful...I refused a friend request from one of my drunken aunts :D Well, seems she'd been viewing my albums through my cousin anyway. Resetting those babies...

Also...people upload a metric fuckload of pics to Facebook, without necessarily asking permission of the subjects. Mobile updates, digital cameras...all of a sudden you may find yourself in someone's album, doing something nasty with that girl in Tijuana. You know, the one who had relations with the donkey first.
Just checked my privacy settings and edited my albums. Good call. I had no idea that they were public.

What is google cache?



linky (http://www.googleguide.com/cached_pages.html)

They store everything. So if you are determined wiping shit that is accessible to google won't do it. Like NSG for example.

Don't use gmail either. Or Chrome. Google is a fucking arm of the NSA.

What is google cache?


Just checked my privacy settings and edited my albums. Good call. I had no idea that they were public.
Excellent. Better to find out now than in some rather unfortunate manner. People don't pay enough attention to these things (myself included). Then again, some of us don't really need to worry about it all that much (myself included).
linky (http://www.googleguide.com/cached_pages.html)

They store everything. So if you are determined wiping shit that is accessible to google won't do it. Like NSG for example.

Don't use gmail either. Or Chrome. Google is a fucking arm of the NSA. To be fair, Google caches are 'updated' every once in a while. Meaning what you were able to find cached a few months ago may no longer be there, replaced by newer content. But yes. Shit can hang around longer than you'd desire.

To be fair, Google caches are 'updated' every once in a while. Meaning what you were able to find cached a few months ago may no longer be there, replaced by newer content. But yes. Shit can hang around longer than you'd desire.

Uhu. But google doesn't throw the snapshots out. It isn't accessible through the web, but it's sitting there somewhere. So everything googlable (within limits) is still there. I'd guess it would depend how much of a boner you had for the person.

Now we all know that social networking sites like Facebook and MySpace can end up spelling your doom if you are a little too free with information (and or nekkid pictures).
Conclusion: If you're under the mistaken expression that your homemade porn can beat the Berlin's finest, and anyone would look at it for any reason other than to laugh at you, at the very least don't upload it with your real name right under it.


When I was thinking about the possible consequences of that, however, I realised...there's probably a great career opportunity out there for people who could be hired to, as much as is possible, ERASE that online history.
What would it take?
http://www.theshootersbox.com/store/images/misc/maxsell_jackal_full_auto_pistol.jpg

Sorry, no other way you're erasing it. Once it hits the minds, it stays there, and once it's spread around the web, there's no other way to get all the instances erased. People will see it, people will write about it, and everything that has stayed on the net for more than a couple months gets archived in the caches of search engines and dedicated archives.



But, you should have seen how it was before the Internet as we know it, which is only since ~1995. We're getting it easy today. Very easy.

In the days of Usenet and Fidonet, virtually everyone was using (or at least was expected to use, and it often took a personal meeting to get network access) their real name, everyone had a fixed, permanent, hard to get address, openly displayed in every message, and everything you were writing was distributed to thousands of other users and permanently stored on their computers.
Oh, and neither you, nor any moderator could possibly edit or delete your posts, all they could do was ban you. You've sent a pic of you lying drunk on the floor naked after a hard liquor night? Congrats, everyone on the net has received it, marked with your real name and permanent address, and will have it forever, no matter what you do.

Excellent. Better to find out now than in some rather unfortunate manner.
Another thing to consider with Facebook are third-party apps hocking your data elsewhere. And it's a little odd, but you may have "opted-in" to third party apps without realizing it.

Another thing to consider with Facebook are third-party apps hocking your data elsewhere. And it's a little odd, but you may have "opted-in" to third party apps without realizing it.

One of the reasons I refuse them. I read that little disclaimer and go...um no? No.

Okay on the other side of things, do you think that the fact most of us have posted...incriminating things at one point or another...will cause that sort of history to be less meaningful a few decades from now than it is currently?

If your facebook can only be viewed by 'friends', how can hypothetical employers simply view all your pics and stuff?

usually google search can do it which is why you should take your facebook off google search results

Okay on the other side of things, do you think that the fact most of us have posted...incriminating things at one point or another...will cause that sort of history to be less meaningful a few decades from now than it is currently?

like what? NSG is a mommys boys forum and unless my future employer is a Zionist pig dog I can't see them finding anything particularly bad (however I do google my information sometimes in case I have a post come up that needs deating)

however I do google my information sometimes in case I have a post come up that needs deating
Aye.

I (relatively) regularly do a search for my real name, certain usernames, email addies, etc., to see what's publicly available, and BALEET if necessary.

It's usually unsecure websites which are a problem.

I (relatively) regularly do a search for my real name, certain usernames, email addies, etc.
Fortunately I don't use my realname on the net.

But I ran a search for "vault 10", and most of it was lost in the various 10 ft. vaults, but - somewhere around 15th place this came in - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/converse.php?u=1198169&u2=1559674 . And it's, well, not what you call private, but I'm surprised why would google possibly index THAT.
Sometimes earlier, a person on one NS board has discovered some defamatory information about me, on an absolutely unrelated board, where my nickname isn't even "vault"-anything.
I have seen a few cartoons made outside US.

So it seems that no matter how common words your nickname consists of, you're gonna get it.

It's usually unsecure websites which are a problem.
Few are secure.

When I was thinking about the possible consequences of that, however, I realised...there's probably a great career opportunity out there for people who could be hired to, as much as is possible, ERASE that online history.


If you're wanting to try to expand on that idea, do it asap. If you've thought of it, so have half a thousand other people, and there's a market either already happening, or about to.

What's best, said history-eraser will not only have (have to have) all your passwords, he'll also keep his copy of your online history, and know it better than any stalker. See the market?

Fortunately I don't use my realname on the net.
Neither do I, but there's still a possibility it could get out there.

My old school, for example, had a listing of my name in some group or other. Though it's down now, the information got out there and, yadda yadda yadda.

Hmmm... maybe you could set up numbered accounts (like Swiss banks). User XXXXXX can then request for a "housecleaning."

Neither do I, but there's still a possibility it could get out there.

My old school, for example, had a listing of my name in some group or other. Though it's down now, the information got out there and, yadda yadda yadda.
The trick is not to do anything to associate it with any of your nicknames. They have a listing, but it doesn't say you're Chumblywumbly in there. And then try not to expose yourself through the nickname. Never say the same thing both under your realname and nickname.

I have also never posted any pics with me without first pixelating the face, vehicle numberplates, street names and numbers, and other unique identifying information. I've never even told where I live, and on a few boards, for the lulz, created false impressions of being from various countries (the last time I used the web without a proxy was about six years ago).


That doesn't mean, of course, that someone genuinely concerned won't be able to find it all out. The writing style, political views, favorite writers, other information can link the accounts, and eventually lead to you. I just rely on no one being genuinely concerned about that. Something as simple as using different nicknames for every website helps to avoid becoming a noticeable online persona.

(And if you anyone thinks it's cool to be an online celebrity, read some Encyclopaedia Dramatica articles on such 'celebrities', for it's where and how your fame will be recorded. Note also how they crack the real names and locations of even the most secretive online celebrities. The Anonymous is concerned.)

You do a search for Skallvia, you get this:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Skallvia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a