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Americans dying from pig flu

UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 01:21
http://uk.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUKN23355101

Just when you got over worries about avian flu, you now have pig flu.

Don't forget to eat those delicious pork chops, bacon, and other pig meats.
Galloism
24-04-2009, 01:23
So, if pigs fly, what kind of flu do they carry?
Tsaraine
24-04-2009, 01:51
IIRC influenza spread to humans originally from pigs in the first place, so this is nothing new. Domestic animals are really big plague pools, and urban populations provide a supply of victims large enough to keep the diseases circulating around forever (as opposed to hunter-gatherer populations, where everyone is either immune or dead by the time it comes around again). Clearly the only solution is to convert en masse to vegetarianism and go back to a hunter-gatherer society. That was sarcasm, obviously.

Just you wait until we start catching dog flu, oh my yes ... people aren't going to like it when the government comes around to kill off Fido because he's a disease vector.
Kryozerkia
24-04-2009, 02:08
Just you wait until we start catching dog flu, oh my yes ... people aren't going to like it when the government comes around to kill off Fido because he's a disease vector.

Strangely, people didn't have the same sentimental attachment to Fido during the Dark Ages when the Bubonic Plague ran rampant through all segments of the population. How a few centuries changed us.
Zeves Recruitment
24-04-2009, 02:15
Big man, pig man
Ha, ha, charade you are

and also,
Bleating and babbling we fell on his neck with a scream
greed and death
24-04-2009, 02:38
you article has said no one has died.
Yet your title says Americans dying. Very misleading.
fined 50 pounds of bacon.
Nadkor
24-04-2009, 02:39
Big man, pig man
Ha, ha, charade you are

and also,
Bleating and babbling we fell on his neck with a scream

Best lyric referencing first post ever?
Mirkana
24-04-2009, 03:07
I don't eat pork, so I'm probably safe.
Katganistan
24-04-2009, 03:31
http://uk.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUKN23355101

Just when you got over worries about avian flu, you now have pig flu.

Don't forget to eat those delicious pork chops, bacon, and other pig meats.
No one's died. Did you read the article?
Ashmoria
24-04-2009, 03:51
Strangely, people didn't have the same sentimental attachment to Fido during the Dark Ages when the Bubonic Plague ran rampant through all segments of the population. How a few centuries changed us.
i dont think that dogs carry plague.

cats do though.
Lacadaemon
24-04-2009, 04:14
i dont think that dogs carry plague.

cats do though.

I hope that's a funnay.
Lacadaemon
24-04-2009, 04:15
Anyway, it's all the NWO. Alex Jones has warned about this repeatedly for the past ten years.
Ashmoria
24-04-2009, 05:11
I hope that's a funnay.
how could it be funny?

i live in new mexico. we have plague here. cats get the plague as often (maybe a bit more) as people do.
Lacadaemon
24-04-2009, 05:19
how could it be funny?

i live in new mexico. we have plague here. cats get the plague as often (maybe a bit more) as people do.

Back in the olden times in England people blamed the plague on cats. So they killed them all. But the plague was really carried by rats. Killing the cats made things much worse.
Tsaraine
24-04-2009, 05:27
Sounds like a fitting punishment for ailurocide to me. [/sarcasm]
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 05:57
Do you think if they kill the pigs for this, people can still eat the pigs?

No one needs to know where the meat came from. We can give it to pedophiles.
Farnhamia Redux
24-04-2009, 06:01
Do you think if they kill the pigs for this, people can still eat the pigs?

No one needs to know where the meat came from. We can give it to pedophiles.

Mmmm, cheap pork! :D
greed and death
24-04-2009, 06:03
Do you think if they kill the pigs for this, people can still eat the pigs?

No one needs to know where the meat came from. We can give it to pedophiles.

Export it to Africa.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 06:09
We need to take care of our own first. I think the first people to get the meat should be the KKK. They'll eat anything.

If they survive, then we can export it.
Heinleinites
24-04-2009, 06:34
Woohoo! Cheap pork! Still not going to give up bacon. Or pork chops. Or biscuits and gravy.
Pope Joan
24-04-2009, 06:49
I'll just eat scrapple then.
It has little pork content; most of it is oatmeal and maple syrup and grits and whatever, plus nitrates.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 08:10
Eh....

The joke is over. This is now serious.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=azAqR4.k2qEY&refer=home

Though it doesn't look like its the same viruses. The symptoms are different.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 08:14
At least 130 people have the Mexican version and there is this:

"Symptoms include high fever, headache, eye pain, shortness of breath and extreme fatigue with rapid progression of symptoms to severe respiratory distress in about five days, the Canadian agency said. A “high proportion” of cases require mechanical respirators, it said."

Like the other new disease, this one is also spread human to human. :eek:
[NS::]The Class A Cows
24-04-2009, 08:22
Alarmist much. Your own sauce states that no Americans have in fact died, despite what your topping implies. They also point out that they don't consider it to be a threat, or at least not yet.

Oh woops you let on a second sauce into the thread which says people might have died.
Nodinia
24-04-2009, 09:05
At least 130 people have the Mexican version

El pig flu.
Cameroi
24-04-2009, 10:32
like what?, americans are supposed to wear spandex and be immune to viral diseases?
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 15:12
the world health organization is now involved.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUKLO570990

Acute health centers are being opened.

60 people from both diseases have already died.

WHO is alarmed that 800 people have acquired the disease in Mexico.

"The United Nations agency said it had activated its Strategic Health Operations Centre (SHOC) -- its command and control centre for acute public health events "

" All 7 American patients had recovered."

"WHO spokeswoman Fadela Chaib said Mexican authorities had noticed unusual activity at the end of the flu season in March and April.

"To date there have been some 800 suspected cases with flu-like illness, with 57 deaths in the Mexico City area.

"Similar cases have since been found in San Luis Potosi in central Mexico. The number of suspected cases is 24 suspected cases and 3 deaths," she told a news briefing.

Mexican Health Minister Jose Angel Cordoba said that it was cancelling classes for millions of children in the heart of the country on Friday after influenza killed around 20 people in recent weeks."

It sounds like the UN is preparing to declare a state of emergency in North America.

The fact that the Americans didn't die and the fact of the differing symptoms should show that there are two different illnesses at work.

The Mexican Flu is much more disturbing.
Farnhamia Redux
24-04-2009, 15:21
An unusual strain of swine flu is circulating among people in the Southwest but is not known to have caused any deaths, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Thursday.

The agency, which has found only seven cases, expects to find more now that it has begun looking intensively for them.

“We don’t yet know the extent of the problem,” said Dr. Anne Schuchat, the director of respiratory diseases for the agency, “but we don’t think this is a time for major concern.”

The rest is here (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/us/24flu.html?ref=us). Nothing about the UN declaring a state of emergency in North America.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 15:23
The new flu is resistant to antibiotics. This is what happens when you give prescriptions to people as if they were candy. Now we have a superbug that is threatening to become a pandemic.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/24/swine.flu/

"Experts think coughing, sneezing and contaminated surfaces spread the infection among people

Symptoms include fever, lethargy, lack of appetite, coughing, runny nose, sore throat, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea, the CDC said.

The new strain of swine flu has resisted some antiviral drugs.

The CDC is working with health officials in California and Texas, and expects to find more cases, Schuchat said."


This is judgment day.
Khadgar
24-04-2009, 15:24
The new flu is resistant to antibiotics. This is what happens when you give prescriptions to people as if they were candy. Now we have a superbug that is threatening to become a pandemic.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/24/swine.flu/

"Experts think coughing, sneezing and contaminated surfaces spread the infection among people

Symptoms include fever, lethargy, lack of appetite, coughing, runny nose, sore throat, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea, the CDC said.

The new strain of swine flu has resisted some antiviral drugs.

The CDC is working with health officials in California and Texas, and expects to find more cases, Schuchat said."


This is judgment day.

A virus is by definition immune to antibiotics. Seeing as antibiotics attack bacteria.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 15:27
The Canadian government has begun to warn against travel to Mexico and is has alerted its people to watch for signs of the Mexican flu among Canadians returning from Mexico.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
24-04-2009, 15:27
The Canadian government has begun to warn against travel to Mexico and is has alerted its people to watch for signs of the Mexican flu among Canadians returning from Mexico.

The Mexican flu? WTF?:confused:
Rambhutan
24-04-2009, 15:29
i dont think that dogs carry plague.

cats do though.

I thought armadillos were the only other animal to get plague
Galloism
24-04-2009, 15:29
The Mexican flu? WTF?:confused:

Fever, chills, unnatural craving for tacos. It's very common.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 15:32
Aren't flus named after the country they originate in?

If there really is two then we have the Mexican flu and the Calixas flu. The former is apparently more lethal than the latter.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 15:34
Stock up on Tamifil. It kills the Calixas flu.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
24-04-2009, 15:38
Fever, chills, unnatural craving for tacos. It's very common.

Ah yes, I had that for 3 years. Now I get it.:(
greed and death
24-04-2009, 15:40
Ah yes, I had that for 3 years. Now I get it.:(

Only deadly if combined with the Peurto Rican flu.
Rambhutan
24-04-2009, 15:40
Aren't flus named after the country they originate in?

If there really is two then we have the Mexican flu and the Calixas flu. The former is apparently more lethal than the latter.

..and Man Flu from the Isle of Man.
Khadgar
24-04-2009, 15:41
..and Man Flu from the Isle of Man.

Flu man chu. Isle of man and China.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
24-04-2009, 15:42
Only deadly if combined with the Peurto Rican flu.

My ex was Mexican... Esse, vato and chales and all that crap, you know.
greed and death
24-04-2009, 15:43
My ex was Mexican... Esse, vato and chales and all that crap, you know.

The /MACHO type ?
Nanatsu no Tsuki
24-04-2009, 15:44
The /MACHO type ?

Unfortunately, yes.
greed and death
24-04-2009, 15:45
Unfortunately, yes.

lol. I hope you were young and naive.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
24-04-2009, 15:47
lol. I hope you were young and naive.

I lost 3 years of my life. Not that young, I was 26.:(
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
24-04-2009, 16:09
I thought armadillos were the only other animal to get plague
Armadillos do the leprosy thing; I don't know about plague.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 16:31
My ex was Mexican... Esse, vato and chales and all that crap, you know.

Not all Mexicans talk like that. Sounds like he was from the gangbanger part of town.
They give Mexicans a bad name.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 16:33
I lost 3 years of my life. Not that young, I was 26.:(

Did he have tatoos on his neck or face?
Nanatsu no Tsuki
24-04-2009, 16:34
Not all Mexicans talk like that. Sounds like he was from the gangbanger part of town.
They give Mexicans a bad name.

That's the lingo of Mexican-Americans. Mexicans, from Mexico, do not speak like that and I know it.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 16:40
Not all Mexican-Americans speak like that either. Only the ones from the "barrios" (gang infested neighborhoods for those who don't know.)

The reason I know is my brother hangs out with them. I really don't like them. They are the probably the most racist of all the people I have met.
I don't agree with their philosophy and I don't agree with the way they treat people.
They're evil.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
24-04-2009, 16:41
Not all Mexican-Americans speak like that either. Only the ones from the "barrios" (gang infested neighborhoods for those who don't know.)

The reason I know is my brother hangs out with them. I really don't like them. They are the probably the most racist of all the people I have met.
I don't agree with their philosophy and I don't agree with the way they treat people.
They're evil.

They're not evil and you're just bigotted against them. Kindly back the heck away.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 16:43
All gangbangers are evil.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
24-04-2009, 16:43
All gangbangers are evil.

USofA, you need some humble medicine. Not only that, you're so prejudiced.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 16:50
Prejudice is against a race or ethnic group. Gangbangers are not a race. They have no rights because they violate the rights of everyone around them.

Why do cities have to have court orders and injunctions? Because of gangbangers.

It does not matter if it's white gangbangers, like the Mongols, or Mexican gangbangers like MS13, all gangbangers are by nature evil.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
24-04-2009, 16:53
Prejudice is against a race or ethnic group. Gangbangers are not a race. They have no rights because they violate the rights of everyone around them.

Why do cities have to have court orders and injunctions? Because of gangbangers.

It does not matter if it's white gangbangers, like the Mongols, or Mexican gangbangers like MS13, all gangbangers are by nature evil.

This thread is about Pig flu, not Mexican gangbangers. You turned into that out of spite from your obvious dislike of Mexicans (gangbangers or not). Your words seethe of it. Not only that, your ignorance about the way Mexicans in the US express themselves is evident. Take a closer look yourself and don't listen to anecdotes your brother recounts. He obviously knows nothing either and you're repeating the nonesense.
Ashmoria
24-04-2009, 17:11
Back in the olden times in England people blamed the plague on cats. So they killed them all. But the plague was really carried by rats. Killing the cats made things much worse.
except that cats get the plague and can carry it to humans.
Ashmoria
24-04-2009, 17:13
I thought armadillos were the only other animal to get plague
squirrels can carry plague. armadillos are just texan squirrels.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 17:14
He's not recounting stories, I'm getting directly from the people themselves.

That is how they are.

I've had my close look and I didn't like what I saw.

I do not dislike all Mexicans. Just the gangbangers and drug dealers. There is one, he goes to pot dispensary and, not only does he give weed to his kids, but he sells it. He certainly is not my equal.

You're right. I don't have any respect for those kind of people. You're right that I am prejudiced against them. I don't consider them my equal.

My equals, the people I have respect for are people like Mr. Delgado, a Mexican American who made it in real estate industry, who started a neighborhood watch program. My equals are people like Martha Sanchez, who started her own business from scratch instead of making excuses about how "white people are all racists and that is why there is evil".
I respect people like the Calderons, in the state Assembly and State Senate. One of them heads the State's COnstitution Committee and would have to ok any changes to the state Constitution.

i respect people like Gracie Gallegos, who instead of whining about "white oppression" and "white racism" pulled herself up by the bootstraps to become her city's mayor.

The last people I will ever respect, the one group of people who will never be my equals, are the gangbangers from the barrios.
greed and death
24-04-2009, 17:15
US of A why are you hijacking your own thread ?
Farnhamia Redux
24-04-2009, 17:18
except that cats get the plague and can carry it to humans.

Not Yersinia pestis:

In 1898, the French scientist Paul-Louis Simond (who had also come to China to battle the Third Pandemic) established the rat-flea vector that drives the disease. He had noted that persons who became ill did not have to be in close contact with each other to acquire the disease. In Yunnan, China, inhabitants would flee from their homes as soon as they saw dead rats, and on the island of Formosa (Taiwan), residents considered handling dead rats a risk for developing plague. These observations led him to suspect that the flea might be an intermediary factor in the transmission of plague, since people acquired plague only if they were in contact with recently dead rats, but not affected if they touched rats that had been dead for more than 24 hours. In a now classic experiment, Simond demonstrated how a healthy rat died of plague after infected fleas had jumped to it from a plague-dead rat.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 17:24
:(

Mexico has gone into emergency mode.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/25/world/americas/25mexico.html?ref=global-home

"It was clear that Mexican health officials were alarmed. Besides shutting classes, the government urged people to avoid large gatherings and to refrain from the common greetings of a hand shake or kiss on the cheek. City buses continued to operate but some passengers were seen wearing masks, and a cough or a sneeze by one passenger prompted others to relocate."

"The World Health Organization reported about 800 cases of flu-like symptoms in Mexico in recent weeks, most of them among healthy young adults, with 57 deaths in Mexico City and 3 in central Mexico.

That is a worrying pattern because seasonal flus typically cause most deaths among infants and old people, while pandemic flus, such as the 1918 Spanish flu, often strike young, healthy people the hardest."

"The unusual strain this year was noticed, Dr. Schuchat said, only because the agency was trying out a new diagnostic test at a Navy laboratory and doing more testing than usual through a new Border Infectious Disease Surveillance Project along the Mexican border.

Officials at the public health agency in Canada said their Mexican counterparts had warned them this week of a “relatively high” fatality rate for people in Mexico who have had respiratory illnesses this season, some of whom had tested positive for flu. "
Ashmoria
24-04-2009, 17:26
Not Yersinia pestis:
cats GET the plague.

people can get the plague from infected people and animals as well as from the flea bites of rats.


Someone can get exposed to naturally-occurring plague by:

Getting bitten by a plague-infected flea.
Touching the fluid draining from the swollen gland of an untreated, plague-infected person.
Breathing in small drops that come from the coughs, sneezes or spit of people or animals with the lung form of plague (pneumonia).
Touching the body of an animal that died from plague.


http://www.sfcdcp.org/plague.html

how modern plague relates to middle ages plague i dont know.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 17:27
US of A why are you hijacking your own thread ?

I got sidetracked. They're not admitting it officially, but looking at their actions, the Mexican government is in emergency mode.

If a flu is under control and not a concern, you don't shut down schools and tell people to avoid large gatherings.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 17:31
The Calixas flu is apparently not strong enough to kill anyone. Plus, unlike the Mexican flu, the Calixas flu is causing it's victims to vomit.

But I would not be surprised if anyone in the US came down with the M.F. and vice versa for the C.F. considering that flu viruses don't recognize borders.
greed and death
24-04-2009, 17:31
I got sidetracked. They're not admitting it officially, but looking at their actions, the Mexican government is in emergency mode.

If a flu is under control and not a concern, you don't shut down schools and tell people to avoid large gatherings.

I was talking about the Mexican gang banger conversations.
Along with the Mexico needs to apologize for their treatment of natives.
Absolutely nothing to do with the plague.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 17:33
I know what you were talking about. I got sidetracked.
Farnhamia Redux
24-04-2009, 17:38
cats GET the plague.

people can get the plague from infected people and animals as well as from the flea bites of rats.



http://www.sfcdcp.org/plague.html

how modern plague relates to middle ages plague i dont know.

Okay, point taken. Still, the main vector is fleas and rats.

There's contention as to whether the Plague of Justinian in the 540s was Y. pestis, though descriptions do talk about swellings like we see with bubonic plague. In fact, there's rather more contention on the nature of the Black Death than I expected. Well, you learn something every day. Interesting article in Wiki, by the way, if you can get past the swellings and death and depopulation.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 17:46
For the first time, Mexican officials are referring to the flu as an epidemic.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/24/swine-flu-deaths-mexico-epidemic

"The impact of the preventative measures on city life was felt immediately as the population woke up to news of the epidemic that was announced in a late night statement"

"At Mexico City's biggest airport, airlines began requiring passengers checking in for domestic and international flights to fill out forms to help decide who could be at risk of carrying the virus. Anybody deemed to be so was reportedly asked not to fly."

"The partial shutting down of the metropolis was a dramatic reversal from the government's previous position that minimised the unusual number of flu deaths "

Plus, they have officially confirmed that M.F. and C.F. are two different viruses.

"Cordova said the sudden change of tack happened when samples analysed in highly specialised laboratories in Canada and the US revealed that the virus causing the deaths was a completely different strain."

Wait, didn't I call that?
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 18:00
O shikes. They're saying M.F. is showing signs of resistance to tamiflu.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 18:08
The President is recieving briefings on the epidemic as the White House has confirmed they are concerned about the new epidemic.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 18:57
The World Health Organization is going into emergency session and a private charity is reporting cases in southern Mexico and two deaths in Tijuana.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 19:03
The CDC has advised the President to ban Americans from traveling to Mexico.
Vetalia
24-04-2009, 20:01
I guess Project Blue lost one of the bugs...
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 20:39
The Mexican Flu has apparently spread to Canada.

http://www.vancouversun.com/Health/Crown+attorney+Ottawa+have+picked+Mexican+swine+that+killed/1531290/story.html
Aelosia
24-04-2009, 20:47
Mexican flu? But if according to reports the mexicans got it from the United States?
Khadgar
24-04-2009, 20:49
Please stop replying to this stupidity. It's annoying.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 20:59
Mexican flu? But if according to reports the mexicans got it from the United States?

Actually it's two seperate viruses. The US virus is nonlethal while the Mexican version has killed 60 people.

Plus, the reports are saying that if it is the same (which I doubt because the symptoms appear to be different), it spread from Mexico City outward.
This would be plausible because most of the cases are in Mexico City compared to the rest of Mexico, including Northern Mexico. If it had come from the US side, there would be higher number of infected in the northern Mexican states bordering California and Texas. But the reports are that most of the infected are in Mexico city.
That leads me to my speculation of two different strains. Those people in the US who got the american version:

1. they had no contact with pigs
2. the groups had no contact with each other
3. None of the infected had been to Mexico.

The Canadians had to hospitalize a couple of people who had the Mexican version. With the California/Texas version there was no hospitalization.
Galloism
24-04-2009, 21:03
If it had come from the US side, there would be higher number of infected in the northern Mexican states bordering California and Texas. But the reports are that most of the infected are in Mexico city.

Disease transmission 101:

Disease is generally transmitted person to person in cases like this. Therefore, it would be extremely likely that it would radiate from large cities as opposed to more rural outlying areas. The reason for that is that there are airports and points of interest in large cities that people fly or drive to. It becomes easier in today's day and age for a disease to start in China, get picked up by an American businessman, carried to New York City, and skip Japan, Hawaii, California, Nevada.... well, you get the idea.

I'm not saying that's what happened, but even if it's radiating from Mexico City, that says shit all about its origin.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 21:12
The point is that no one with the american variety has been hospitalized while many people with the mexican variety have been placed on intensive care.

That is why I think it is two different diseases.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 21:16
the question about the American disease is...

The Mexican disease quickly in Mexico City, the most populated city in North america.

So why has the American version not spread in a similar manner in the cities of San Diego, or San Antonio? Why is there no sign of it in LA, the second most populous city in america?

That is the mystery the CDC is looking at and it why the WHO and the CDC have both back away from the assumption that it was same virus at work in both the US and Mexico.
Galloism
24-04-2009, 21:21
the question about the American disease is...

The Mexican disease quickly in Mexico City,

A coca-cola bottle?

the most populated city in North america.

I thought New York city was the most populated city in North America.

So why has the American version not spread in a similar manner in the cities of San Diego, or San Antonio? Why is there no sign of it in LA, the second most populous city in america?

Probably two different diseases. I don't know though.

That is the mystery the CDC is looking at and it why the WHO and the CDC have both back away from the assumption that it was same virus at work in both the US and Mexico.

Oh, I understand that. I'm simply saying that the assumption that it skipped northern Mexico and therefore it was obviously a different disease was a stupid argument. Diseases skip areas all the time - doesn't mean they are are different diseases.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 21:24
I was wrong. The CDC is now saying that tests confirm it is the same flu.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gzz357patY4-QaJFvo9O95zMM_EQD97P1CP80


"The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says tests show some of the Mexico victims died from the same new strain of swine flu that sickened eight people in Texas and California."

Question is: Why aren't Americans dying from it while Mexicans are? It can be the difference in healthcare. The Canadians healthcare is on par with America's if not better but those infected Canadians had to be hospitalized. That makes no sense.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 21:26
A coca-cola bottle?



I thought New York city was the most populated city in North America.



Probably two different diseases. I don't know though.



Oh, I understand that. I'm simply saying that the assumption that it skipped northern Mexico and therefore it was obviously a different disease was a stupid argument. Diseases skip areas all the time - doesn't mean they are are different diseases.

The CDC says the test results prove correct about it being the same disease. It's a weird disease though.
Galloism
24-04-2009, 21:26
Question is: Why aren't Americans dying from it while Mexicans are? It can be the difference in healthcare. The Canadians healthcare is on par with America's if not better but those infected Canadians had to be hospitalized. That makes no sense.

Americans general uncleanness and habitual raping of various farm animals (especially in the south) has granted us with a super-strength set of immune systems. Having been exposed to so many diseases, we can kick all of their asses.

Also, we give our white blood cells tiny little microscopic guns.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 21:31
what throws me off that the vomiting and diarhea have not been reported in mexican victims. At least not yet.

Whereas they were reported in the Americans.
Khadgar
24-04-2009, 21:34
what throws me off that the vomiting and diarhea have not been reported in mexican victims. At least not yet.

Whereas they were reported in the Americans.

What throws me off is why the fuck you've posted 15 times about some pathetic minor illness like the fucking flu. Having the sniffles for a few days is not a major catastrophe.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-04-2009, 21:45
What throws me off is why the fuck you've posted 15 times about some pathetic minor illness like the fucking flu. Having the sniffles for a few days is not a major catastrophe.

What planet are you on? People are dying so it is not just some F* flu.
If it was just a flu, Mexico would not be in a state of emergency, the WHO would not have activated command centers. And Barack Obama would not be recieving hourly briefings on it.
Khadgar
24-04-2009, 21:56
What planet are you on? People are dying so it is not just some F* flu.
If it was just a flu, Mexico would not be in a state of emergency, the WHO would not have activated command centers. And Barack Obama would not be recieving hourly briefings on it.

People die from the flu every year. That's not news.

CDC report on the US regarding Influenza:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2008-2009/weekly14.htm

Note that last column. Now tell me why 60 deaths total for the virus you're going on and on about is anything worth giving a flying fuck about.
CthulhuFhtagn
25-04-2009, 00:00
To be fair, if this is actually a variant of swine flu, it would be newsworthy.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
25-04-2009, 00:24
It's actually a combination of avian, swine and human.

A/N1H1 is the official scientific designation. They have no cures for it but it looks like Tamiflu can combat it.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
25-04-2009, 03:14
KFI AM is now reporting that the Mexican government is preparing to send armed soldiers into Mexico City to ban people from leaving their homes.

The same report says that the virus may have popped up in 75 school children in New York City today.

The World Health Organization is saying there is no point in trying to contain because it appears to be occurring everywhere at the same time where as past epidemics always had an epicenter. There seems to be no epicenter for this one.
Holy Paradise
25-04-2009, 04:36
It's actually a combination of avian, swine and human.

A/N1H1 is the official scientific designation. They have no cures for it but it looks like Tamiflu can combat it.

We're fucked.
Galloism
25-04-2009, 04:41
We're fucked.

Don't worry, soon, there will come a savior.

http://rookery2.viary.com/storagev12/1091500/1091579_5a7c_625x1000.jpg
Skallvia
25-04-2009, 04:50
Don't worry, soon, there will come a savior.

http://rookery2.viary.com/storagev12/1091500/1091579_5a7c_625x1000.jpg

Hmmm...*thinks* Snout + swine flu = :eek::eek::eek:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006ADDB.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
Holy Paradise
25-04-2009, 04:55
What would be best is to catch it early, so that you develop a little immunity to it.
New Texoma Land
25-04-2009, 05:31
I thought New York city was the most populated city in North America.

Common mistake.

10 Largest cities in the world
http://www.worldatlas.com/citypops.htm
1. Tokyo, Japan - 28,025,000
2. Mexico City, Mexico - 18,131,000
3. Mumbai, India - 18,042,000
4. Sáo Paulo, Brazil - 17, 711,000
5. New York City, USA - 16,626,000
6. Shanghai, China - 14,173,000
7. Lagos, Nigeria - 13,488,000
8. Los Angeles, USA - 13,129,000
9. Calcutta, India - 12,900,000
10. Buenos Aires, Argentina - 12,431,000

However, if you include the entire metropolitan area, New York sometimes comes out on top depending on the source.
Galloism
25-04-2009, 05:33
However, if you include the entire metropolitan area, New York sometimes comes out on top depending on the source.

Ah, I was. I see what you're saying though.

As always, depends how you count the numbers. :p
New Texoma Land
25-04-2009, 05:42
Now tell me why 60 deaths total for the virus you're going on and on about is anything worth giving a flying fuck about.

Putting aside USofA's hysteria, because if it does turn out to be a virulent strain of swine flu, it can in fact be very serious. So called "swine flu" tends to have a higher mortality rate and hits healthy young people much harder than regular flu. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_flu It can be pretty nasty stuff.

Only time will tell if this outbreak is swine flu. And even if it is, it could burn out quickly as happened in 1976. But either way, public hysteria is totally unhelpful.
New Texoma Land
25-04-2009, 05:44
As always, depends how you count the numbers. :p

But of course. :wink:
Holy Paradise
25-04-2009, 06:05
But either way, public hysteria is totally unhelpful.

No. We must PANIC NOW!

(Grabs a cinder block a smashes it through own window)

Crap...
CthulhuFhtagn
25-04-2009, 06:27
It's actually a combination of avian, swine and human.

A/N1H1 is the official scientific designation. They have no cures for it but it looks like Tamiflu can combat it.

Of course they don't have cures. It's a damned virus.
Trollgaard
25-04-2009, 06:28
People are actually scared of the flu?
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
25-04-2009, 08:48
No. We must PANIC NOW!

(Grabs a cinder block a smashes it through own window)

Crap...

(you're supposed to smash someone else's window, that way you can go in and loot their TV and their Xbox.)
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
25-04-2009, 08:49
Putting aside USofA's hysteria, because if it does turn out to be a virulent strain of swine flu, it can in fact be very serious. So called "swine flu" tends to have a higher mortality rate and hits healthy young people much harder than regular flu. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_flu It can be pretty nasty stuff.

Only time will tell if this outbreak is swine flu. And even if it is, it could burn out quickly as happened in 1976. But either way, public hysteria is totally unhelpful.

They've been calling it swine flu.
Risottia
25-04-2009, 09:34
i dont think that dogs carry plague.
cats do though.

The Plague (aka the Black Death, agent: Yersinia Pestis) is carried by fleas and rodents (typically rats and mice).
As for other diseases, it depends on the specifical disease: any pet could be spreading some pandemic if some conditions are met - basically, propagation between animals and then transferral to humans.
Risottia
25-04-2009, 09:36
Of course they don't have cures. It's a damned virus.

Uh? There are a lot of antiviral drugs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acyclovir (the one I'm using right now, I've got a bout of labial herpes)
Ledgersia
25-04-2009, 09:44
http://uk.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUKN23355101

Just when you got over worries about avian flu, you now have pig flu.

Don't forget to eat those delicious pork chops, bacon, and other pig meats.

I never was worried about avian flu. I'm certainly not worried about this. The media will look for anything to scare people.
Ledgersia
25-04-2009, 09:47
Uh? There are a lot of antiviral drugs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acyclovir (the one I'm using right now, I've got a bout of labial herpes)

Antiviral drugs don't cure viral infections.

Also, I always assumed you were a male. :confused:
Rambhutan
25-04-2009, 09:57
Antiviral drugs don't cure viral infections.

Also, I always assumed you were a male. :confused:

Men don't have mouths?
Ledgersia
25-04-2009, 10:02
Men don't have mouths?

When he said "labial" I assumed he meant...wait, never mind. :$
Holy Paradise
25-04-2009, 15:59
(you're supposed to smash someone else's window, that way you can go in and loot their TV and their Xbox.)

Thus the humor in my quote.

/facepalm.
CthulhuFhtagn
25-04-2009, 18:33
Uh? There are a lot of antiviral drugs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acyclovir (the one I'm using right now, I've got a bout of labial herpes)

As already mentioned, antivirals aren't cures. They're treatments.