NationStates Jolt Archive


Parallels in history

Barringtonia
23-04-2009, 14:11
You're a charismatic young president, recently elected, and your greatest foreign policy threat is a fundamental ideology entirely contrary to your own country's, and a perceived key border is being threatened, the entire government in danger of being taken over by guerilla forces representing the apotheosis of what you stand for...

What do you do?
Intestinal fluids
23-04-2009, 14:12
Send ground forces into a bay in Cuba? Make a naval blockade? Threaten to nuke something?
Dumb Ideologies
23-04-2009, 14:13
I hire the A-Team.
DrunkenDove
23-04-2009, 14:13
I've go drinking, but I'd be doing that even if I hadn't become the president of the US.

I hire the A-Team.

/thread.
Errinundera
23-04-2009, 14:13
Karl Marx: History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.
Barringtonia
23-04-2009, 14:17
I hire the A-Team.

...but can you find them?
Lacadaemon
23-04-2009, 14:17
Let the guerrillas win.
Zombie PotatoHeads
23-04-2009, 14:18
Bang Marilyn Munroe
Which now isn't as nice an idea as it was 50 years ago. Instead, maybe do Marilyn Manson.
Barringtonia
23-04-2009, 14:19
Let the guerrillas win.

Guerillas '09 Expansion Pack - Now with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!
Truly Blessed
23-04-2009, 14:19
Well first thing is monitor the border.

I think in this case you have to go to the people and explain what they are up against. You may want to mobilize your citizens. You can call it militia or civilian defense force or what ever. Make sure the police have key points of every city monitored. Make sure fire department are ready to roll as are ambulances.

If this country has a substantial military I would begin preparation for defensive purposes. Make sure supplies are stocked up.

The next thing is all roads that lead to border should have military or police checkpoints. You can see who is coming and going but the also serve as an early warning of attack.

Otherwise business as usual.
Barringtonia
23-04-2009, 14:21
Bang Marilyn Munroe
Which now isn't as nice an idea as it was 50 years ago. Instead, maybe do Marilyn Manson.

Neither are good ideas dude, what are you thinking?
Peepelonia
23-04-2009, 14:22
You're a charismatic young president, recently elected, and your greatest foreign policy threat is an fundamental ideology entirely contrary to your own country's, and a perceived key border is being threatened, the entire government in danger of being taken over by guerilla forces representing the apotheosis of what you stand for...

What do you do?

Eerrrr quit and become a baker instead?
Kryozerkia
23-04-2009, 14:27
You're a charismatic young president, recently elected, and your greatest foreign policy threat is an fundamental ideology entirely contrary to your own country's, and a perceived key border is being threatened, the entire government in danger of being taken over by guerilla forces representing the apotheosis of what you stand for...

What do you do?

Secure my nation's side of the border. Keep the fighting out of my nation. It is between the rebel forces and the government of another nation. It is not my place to interfere with the affairs of another nation, until civilians become collateral damage. When that happens, I would negotiate with both sides to send in a large Red Cross team to tend to the injured and sick, while staying out of the war between the government and guerilla forces.

Those seeking asylum would go through the Red Cross's neutral zone first. They would be screened to ensure that they are neither part of the government's forces nor part of the guerilla forces. The civilians never ask to be caught in the cross fire.

Once tensions settle, I would then reach out to compromise with whoever is in power so ensure peace so the two nations can live side by side. I'd have to swallow my pride should the guerillas win, but security means having to let the other nation deal with its own affairs in order to protect my own.
Truly Blessed
23-04-2009, 14:28
Let the guerrillas win.

Screw 'em. They can have my gun when the pry from my cold dead fingers.


This is where you need your cowboy hat and southern accent.


Boys, ehm and girls, let's shoot ourselves some communists.
greed and death
23-04-2009, 14:29
Monroe doctrine we need to prop up a puppet government in Mexico.
Truly Blessed
23-04-2009, 14:30
Secure my nation's side of the border. Keep the fighting out of my nation. It is between the rebel forces and the government of another nation. It is not my place to interfere with the affairs of another nation, until civilians become collateral damage. When that happens, I would negotiate with both sides to send in a large Red Cross team to tend to the injured and sick, while staying out of the war between the government and guerilla forces.

Those seeking asylum would go through the Red Cross's neutral zone first. They would be screened to ensure that they are neither part of the government's forces nor part of the guerilla forces. The civilians never ask to be caught in the cross fire.

Once tensions settle, I would then reach out to compromise with whoever is in power so ensure peace so the two nations can live side by side. I'd have to swallow my pride should the guerillas win, but security means having to let the other nation deal with its own affairs in order to protect my own.

Very good you get to head up the diplomatic effort. Very well thought out.
Barringtonia
23-04-2009, 14:30
Secure my nation's side of the border. Keep the fighting out of my nation. It is between the rebel forces and the government of another nation. It is not my place to interfere with the affairs of another nation, until civilians become collateral damage. When that happens, I would negotiate with both sides to send in a large Red Cross team to tend to the injured and sick, while staying out of the war between the government and guerilla forces.

Those seeking asylum would go through the Red Cross's neutral zone first. They would be screened to ensure that they are neither part of the government's forces nor part of the guerilla forces. The civilians never ask to be caught in the cross fire.

Once tensions settle, I would then reach out to compromise with whoever is in power so ensure peace so the two nations can live side by side. I'd have to swallow my pride should the guerillas win, but security means having to let the other nation deal with its own affairs in order to protect my own.

Okay...reading your post, see your point but... NUCLEAR WEAPONS!

Are we likely to enter into another Cold War with the Taliban?
Truly Blessed
23-04-2009, 14:34
With regard to Pakistan they need to hit them back and hard.
Zombie PotatoHeads
23-04-2009, 14:35
Neither are good ideas dude, what are you thinking?
oohhh....you wanted good ideas! Sorry my mistake. Guess I best not mention my other idea of driving round Dallas in an open-top limo then.

thinking? what is this 'thinking' of which you speak?
Peepelonia
23-04-2009, 14:36
thinking? what is this 'thinking' of which you speak?

Ohh Ohh I know the answer to this one. Is it a kind of swimming, you know sorta similar to the breast stroke?
Kryozerkia
23-04-2009, 14:36
Very good you get to head up the diplomatic effort. Very well thought out.

Be the diplomat. People will listen to you if you let them figure it out first. Let them ask for help.

Okay...reading your post, see your point but... NUCLEAR WEAPONS!

Are we likely to enter into another Cold War with the Taliban?

Well, assuming I'm as charismatic as the OP makes me sound, then those shouldn't be a problem for me. We will avoid use of those weapons through skillful negotiation.

In answer to the second question, the Taliban would have never been a problem for the west if Bush kept it in his pants. The Taliban had been ready to hand over bin Laden if America had been patient enough to provide evidence that linked bin Laden to the 9/11 attacks. Instead, America opted for a mandate to blow up the dirt pile, bringing NATO into a fight that is nothing short of futile.

I don't see a cold war. They want a real fight now.
Truly Blessed
23-04-2009, 14:37
oohhh....you wanted good ideas! Sorry my mistake. Guess I best not mention my other idea of driving round Dallas in an open-top limo then.

thinking? what is this 'thinking' of which you speak?

Make sure you speed up when you get to the Book Depository.
Barringtonia
23-04-2009, 14:40
We will avoid use of those weapons through skillful negotiation.

In tests, 9 out of 10 subjects failed to negotiate their way out of a nuclear missile.

LG was the 10th.

Question is, do you feel lucky punk? Well..., do ya?
Yootopia
23-04-2009, 14:40
You're a charismatic young president, recently elected, and your greatest foreign policy threat is a fundamental ideology entirely contrary to your own country's, and a perceived key border is being threatened, the entire government in danger of being taken over by guerilla forces representing the apotheosis of what you stand for...

What do you do?
Realise the laughable government you are helping are fuckwits and refuse to have anything to do with them.
Truly Blessed
23-04-2009, 14:42
Be the diplomat. People will listen to you if you let them figure it out first. Let them ask for help.



Well, assuming I'm as charismatic as the OP makes me sound, then those shouldn't be a problem for me. We will avoid use of those weapons through skillful negotiation.

In answer to the second question, the Taliban would have never been a problem for the west if Bush kept it in his pants. The Taliban had been ready to hand over bin Laden if America had been patient enough to provide evidence that linked bin Laden to the 9/11 attacks. Instead, America opted for a mandate to blow up the dirt pile, bringing NATO into a fight that is nothing short of futile.

I don't see a cold war. They want a real fight now.



From a purely tactical point a view. We have a potential war on two side. We have the US on one side and the Pakistani force on the other. For the record tactically I think the Taliban made a huge mistake going after Pakistan. I think the only reason the Taliban still exists is because of Pakistan. Well, I can say that whatever currency that bought has now been spent. They are screwed.
Truly Blessed
23-04-2009, 14:44
In tests, 9 out of 10 subjects failed to negotiate their way out of a nuclear missile.

LG was the 10th.

Question is, do you feel lucky punk? Well..., do ya?

Exactly.
Post Liminality
23-04-2009, 14:45
I'm with Yootopia except I'd still have a plan. Build moon base with big ass laser, move up there and shoot anything that approaches. I'd no longer have to deal with power centers that are poor in critical thinking skills, rich in ignorance and in dire need of some damned good glasses to fix their ridiculous near-sightedness.
Kryozerkia
23-04-2009, 15:00
In tests, 9 out of 10 subjects failed to negotiate their way out of a nuclear missile.

LG was the 10th.

Question is, do you feel lucky punk? Well..., do ya?

Maybe I'm just feeling cocky because I wrote four finals and didn't break a sweat, but yea, I'm feeling lucky, are you? :D
Truly Blessed
23-04-2009, 15:07
http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html

Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable;
when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we
are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away;
when far away, we must make him believe we are near.

Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder,
and crush him.

If he is secure at all points, be prepared for him.
If he is in superior strength, evade him.

If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant.

If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them.

Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.