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I will be the first to admit I am actually somewhat in small anticipation of what will happen on 2012 with all of the hype, but deep down know that it will probably go like any other new years unless there is some other major world events going on.

Though the primarily Christian apocalyptic movement will go on, what will happen to the alternative "end of calendar" and "end of age" movements? 2000 and 2012 probably had the most books written about them, the most hype, and the most anticipation. 2012 seems to have even beat 2000 with the new movie coming out and the numerous books I have seen. An entire endstand in Barnes & Noble I saw at one point was dedicated to 2012 books.

I have not really read any or did research, but what other dates are there? What is next? Or will we finally see the end of this "end of age" talk and get down to the reality that we have real problems that need real solutions.

I hope it's something unusual and exciting like in the Shadowrun RPG.

I'm hoping Starcraft 2 comes out.

What happens after 2012 is uneventful?

I point and laugh at my friend who has bought into the whole nonsensical idea hook, line, and sinker.

Then I laugh some more.

I hope it's something unusual and exciting like in the Shadowrun RPG.

Ditto.

To be serious I think on December 21 2012 there will be nothing of any major happenstance at all, and we will live one while the crazies grab on to another date.

2000 and 2012 probably had the most books written about them, the most hype, and the most anticipation. 2012 seems to have even beat 2000 with the new movie coming out and the numerous books I have seen. An entire endstand in Barnes & Noble I saw at one point was dedicated to 2012 books.
It has to be close enough to cause fear, yet distant enough that it's believable. "The world will end tomorrow" doesn't work, deep inside you always believe it won't.
Plus the date should look pretty. Not "1973" or "1994", but something with a pretty number appeal. "2012" somehow is one of them.


Or will we finally see the end of this "end of age" talk and get down to the reality that we have real problems that need real solutions.
No. 2020 will be the next big date.

No. 2020 will be the next big date.

Yea but if 2012 is fully uneventful this is all going to lose a lot of steam as it is the most hyped date yet.

Yea but if 2012 is fully uneventful this is all going to lose a lot of steam as it is the most hyped date yet.

It won't lose steam there are plenty of people naive enough to buy into it and plenty of people that want to see it happen.

2012 better not take away planed death on Friday the 13th, April 2036 when asteriod MN-4 bumps with the big fat woman!
:p

I've got a friend who's into this 'world ends in 2012' nonsense, he says it has something to do with the Mayan calender ending in this year.

Two reasons why I don't buy into it;

1. Have yet to find a calender that was spot on and also we have a dozen or so calenders in common usage which in theory 2012 has been and gone.

2. How long ago did the Mayans write their calender?

What happens after 2012 is uneventful?

Someone will make out that some day in 2014 is Doomsday.

I've got a friend who's into this 'world ends in 2012' nonsense, he says it has something to do with the Mayan calender ending in this year.

Two reasons why I don't buy into it;

1. Have yet to find a calender that was spot on and also we have a dozen or so calenders in common usage which in theory 2012 has been and gone.

2. How long ago did the Mayans write their calender?

We only found one fragment of the Mayan Calendar. There were more, but the Spanish destroyed the vast majority of it.

actually the 1840s and then the year 1900 had a great deal apocraphil written about them, and rather a great many 'assention robes' sold, enough to be somethiong of a fassion statement, or so i've been lead to believe, prior to their advant, though fur the most part little is mentioned of it these days.

well we know what happened after 2000. lets see if we can't maybe avoid putting another impatient idiot in power who will try to bring about the end of what they seem to think is everything, themselves, when they wake up and realise mysterious powers arn't about to do it for them.

i don't think any of us knows nature's timetable exactly, but its not THAT unreasonable, downright likely actually, that there will be a certain amount, perhapse rather a great deal of it, of starvation and disease, not by the hand of any force more mysterious then what we collectively as humans have been doing for more then a century now, to nature's cycles of renewal. partially, largely, by our excessive use of combustion, and the other part, combined with it, of our excessive numbers.

but its not like a bell will suddenly tole and all of a sudden everything will fall apart at once. far from it, the disintigration has been slowly building over a very long period. so long it is for this reason alone so few realize how well underway it already happens to be.

and yet, nothing is ever even THAT simple, nonsimple as that might seem to be. even as some things, familiar patterns that only seem to have served well, increasingly visibly deteriorate, others, as can also be observed, coelesce.

i'm not placing any bets, other then a small side wager on the side of my heart, and why not. my heart and a prophasie, not millinia but less then a couple of centuries old, that a time will come of calmness without stagnation.

this too not all at once, but we shall see what we shall see when we shall see it.

I will be the first to admit I am actually somewhat in small anticipation of what will happen on 2012 with all of the hype, but deep down know that it will probably go like any other new years unless there is some other major world events going on.

Though the primarily Christian apocalyptic movement will go on, what will happen to the alternative "end of calendar" and "end of age" movements? 2000 and 2012 probably had the most books written about them, the most hype, and the most anticipation. 2012 seems to have even beat 2000 with the new movie coming out and the numerous books I have seen. An entire endstand in Barnes & Noble I saw at one point was dedicated to 2012 books.

I have not really read any or did research, but what other dates are there? What is next? Or will we finally see the end of this "end of age" talk and get down to the reality that we have real problems that need real solutions.the nex date is 2036. after that it's sometime 21something.

What ever the outcome, I plan on sitting back and watching as the doomsayers either fall over in sheer panic or the world does somehow drastically alter, because no matter what, life will go on and wether I am able to survive the aftermath in one piece or have to scrape along like a slug, I'm still gonna have to support my family and hope that something better comes along.

The Maya weren't predicting the end of the world. They were predicting the start of a new cycle. Or should I say a restart of the great great great cycle. By cycle I mean cycle of time keeping. That is what the end of the Mayan calendar means. Nothing more and nothing less.

Well, a couple of days after December 21st will be Christmas, and then shortly after that it will be 2013. The idea of a cataclysm in 2012, while popular, has no foundations in actual Mayan belief. The Long Count will finish and a new one will start and people will wake up on December 22 and go Darn, the world has not come to an end yet. Just like they did on January 1 2001.

actually the prediction was for Jan 1 2000 because they didn't account for the fact that the new century always starts on the 01 year, not the 00 year.

Y2K bugs that turned out to figments of peoples imaginations but made lots of tech savy people rich.

The Maya weren't predicting the end of the world. They were predicting the start of a new cycle. Or should I say a restart of the great great great cycle. By cycle I mean cycle of time keeping. That is what the end of the Mayan calendar means. Nothing more and nothing less.

Your friendly local NSG archaeologist confirms this.

The idea of 2012 as an apocalyptic event stems from a misunderstanding of the Mayan Long Count.

The Long Count calendar is a base-20* system of dating from what, in western terms, is 11 August 3114 BC. There are four subdivisions consisting of the k'in (1 day), the winal (20 days), the tun (360 days), the k'atun (7,200 days) and the b'ak'tun (144,000).

The Popol Vuh, a book of creation myths from one Mayan sub-group, states that we're living in the 'fourth world', and that the 'third world' ended and the previous creation began at the start of the 14th b'ak'tun, or when the previous cycle's calender rolled over from 12.19.19.17.19 to 13.0.0.0.0 (for those without access to a calculator, that's 1,872,000 days per period). This is the basis for the 2012 myth.

However, there's no evidence, archaeological or documentary, that any Mayan group believed that the start of the 14th b'ak'tun of the current era would lead to the end of the world, there's no need to stop counting at the start of that b'ak'tun, and there are several Mayan inscriptions that anticipate events (such as future anniversary celebrations) taking place after the end of the 13th b'ak'tun.


Note that there are some rarely-used higher subdivisions above the b'ak'tun, and I've simplified the 13 count turnover for the k'atun and the b'ak'tun , though this is relevant to the discussion (they seem to only go to 13 when they're the highest subdivision counted, but do the full 20 roll-over when the next highest subdivision above them is included in the date). But essentially, the Mayan calendar's capable of expressing dates of hundreds of millenia forwards or backwards when the higher orders are used, and there's no reason to end the calendar at the conclusion of the 13th b'ak'tun.


Hopefully that clarifies things!




* except that there are only 18 winals in a tun, whereas there are 20 of the other subdivisions (k'in, tun, and k'atun) within the next subdivision.

A few minutes ago I went on Amazon to search the author of an entertaining book about 2012. But to my astonishment it took a while to find it. I knew the title but it turns out there are heaps of books named Apocaplypse 2012. People sem to be nuts about this.
Anyway, last year I was at my local library, I couldn't find any interesting books and I walked through the non-fiction section to get to the DVD's. Out of the corner of my eye I saw this eye-catching title, 'Apocalypse 2012: An Optimist Investigates The End Of The World' by Lawrence E. Joseph. I've only read a few non-fiction books in my lifetime but I had no idea (unless the authors name was Michael Moore) that they could be SO entertaining.
Turns out they're not usually. But make sure you all read this book. The author writes about where he went and the things he saw while reasearching for the book. It really is interesting and it will at least allow you to explain to your panicky friends on December 20th 2012 that the end of the world isn't actually about to take place.
Joseph's puts forward a few believeable theories of why the Mayans may have ended their calendar on the specific date. Although they did not predict the end of the world or anything drastic like that, they did believe thatsomething would change.
It's not completely unbelieveable that they may have found somethign that we may not have yet. They were avid stargazers and they did calculate almost the exact amount of time (to within a second) that it takes the earth to revolve around the sun. So why can't they have noticed something small over a series of years?\It's plausible. But very unlikely.
Read the book then make your friends scared then laugh at them when the time comes.

AND IT'S FUNNY AS HELL! (Ironic really...)

The apocalypse will begin on January 2nd, 2013. I base this on the fact that God is a bastard who makes bad things happen right at the moment you're least expecting them.

And no, I don't have a source for that fact, it's just one of those obvious things isn't it?

I will be the first to admit I am actually somewhat in small anticipation of what will happen on 2012 with all of the hype, but deep down know that it will probably go like any other new years unless there is some other major world events going on.

Though the primarily Christian apocalyptic movement will go on, what will happen to the alternative "end of calendar" and "end of age" movements? 2000 and 2012 probably had the most books written about them, the most hype, and the most anticipation. 2012 seems to have even beat 2000 with the new movie coming out and the numerous books I have seen. An entire endstand in Barnes & Noble I saw at one point was dedicated to 2012 books.

I have not really read any or did research, but what other dates are there? What is next? Or will we finally see the end of this "end of age" talk and get down to the reality that we have real problems that need real solutions.

They'll pick a new date, though the smart ones are vague about the timing of the end of the world. Seems they've been shown wrong over and over and over and OVER again and eventually learned.

Some fuckwit will start saying the world is going to end in 2014, and a load of credulous morons will believe them.

Ditto.

To be serious I think on December 21 2012 there will be nothing of any major happenstance at all, and we will live one while the crazies grab on to another date.

Yep and then a new date will be decided on and so the circle contiunes.

I have not really read any or did research, but what other dates are there? What is next? Or will we finally see the end of this "end of age" talk and get down to the reality that we have real problems that need real solutions.

Crazy humans have been predicting doom and gloom for humanity since the language was created to express it. They were all wrong and will continue to be until the end of humanity, when one crazy from a thousands of generations long line of crazies can finally say, see i told you so.

Y2K bugs that turned out to figments of peoples imaginations but made lots of tech savy people rich.

I would not say that Y2K bugs were figments of people's imagination. I could scan in my report card of the year 1999/100 if it was not for the embarassing marks :)

I would not say that Y2K bugs were figments of people's imagination. I could scan in my report card of the year 1999/100 if it was not for the embarassing marks :)

Nope the threat was a real one, and it's all thanks to me, yep me personaly that nowt happend.:D Ohh and I made nish, nowt, nada, nothing out of it BTW.:(

Yea but if 2012 is fully uneventful this is all going to lose a lot of steam as it is the most hyped date yet.
2000 and 2001 were just as hyped, although it was centered on computers. But people quickly extended the date issue in IBM PC MS-DOS to semi-analog embedded systems running nuclear reactors.

January 19, 2038 at 3:14:07. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem)

January 19, 2038 at 3:14:07. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem)

By 2038 those systems will be running garbage scows on Alderan.

I plan on just ignoring the whole thing. It's all a load of paranoid horse manure in any event.

I plan on just ignoring the whole thing. It's all a load of paranoid horse manure in any event.

And, on the plus side, if you're wrong nobody's going to be around to mock you anyway.

And, on the plus side, if you're wrong nobody's going to be around to mock you anyway.

Exactly. I call it 'Kryozerkia's Wager'. ;)

Exactly. I call it 'Kryozerkia's Wager'. ;)

The truth is revealed: Kryozerkia is secretly Blaise Pascal!

Say.... aren't you almost 386 years old now?

It will go down like most apocalypse predictions - declare a mistake in calculation, revise date by a few more years, prepare for the all new 100% genuine no foolin' end of the world.

Your friendly local NSG archaeologist confirms this.

The idea of 2012 as an apocalyptic event stems from a misunderstanding of the Mayan Long Count.

The Long Count calendar is a base-20* system of dating from what, in western terms, is 11 August 3114 BC. There are four subdivisions consisting of the k'in (1 day), the winal (20 days), the tun (360 days), the k'atun (7,200 days) and the b'ak'tun (144,000).

The Popol Vuh, a book of creation myths from one Mayan sub-group, states that we're living in the 'fourth world', and that the 'third world' ended and the previous creation began at the start of the 14th b'ak'tun, or when the previous cycle's calender rolled over from 12.19.19.17.19 to 13.0.0.0.0 (for those without access to a calculator, that's 1,872,000 days per period). This is the basis for the 2012 myth.

However, there's no evidence, archaeological or documentary, that any Mayan group believed that the start of the 14th b'ak'tun of the current era would lead to the end of the world, there's no need to stop counting at the start of that b'ak'tun, and there are several Mayan inscriptions that anticipate events (such as future anniversary celebrations) taking place after the end of the 13th b'ak'tun.


Note that there are some rarely-used higher subdivisions above the b'ak'tun, and I've simplified the 13 count turnover for the k'atun and the b'ak'tun , though this is relevant to the discussion (they seem to only go to 13 when they're the highest subdivision counted, but do the full 20 roll-over when the next highest subdivision above them is included in the date). But essentially, the Mayan calendar's capable of expressing dates of hundreds of millenia forwards or backwards when the higher orders are used, and there's no reason to end the calendar at the conclusion of the 13th b'ak'tun.


Hopefully that clarifies things!




* except that there are only 18 winals in a tun, whereas there are 20 of the other subdivisions (k'in, tun, and k'atun) within the next subdivision.


Seems like I was beat to the explanation...

Your friendly local NSG archaeologist confirms this.

The idea of 2012 as an apocalyptic event stems from a misunderstanding of the Mayan Long Count.

The Long Count calendar is a base-20* system of dating from what, in western terms, is 11 August 3114 BC. There are four subdivisions consisting of the k'in (1 day), the winal (20 days), the tun (360 days), the k'atun (7,200 days) and the b'ak'tun (144,000).

The Popol Vuh, a book of creation myths from one Mayan sub-group, states that we're living in the 'fourth world', and that the 'third world' ended and the previous creation began at the start of the 14th b'ak'tun, or when the previous cycle's calender rolled over from 12.19.19.17.19 to 13.0.0.0.0 (for those without access to a calculator, that's 1,872,000 days per period). This is the basis for the 2012 myth.

However, there's no evidence, archaeological or documentary, that any Mayan group believed that the start of the 14th b'ak'tun of the current era would lead to the end of the world, there's no need to stop counting at the start of that b'ak'tun, and there are several Mayan inscriptions that anticipate events (such as future anniversary celebrations) taking place after the end of the 13th b'ak'tun.


Note that there are some rarely-used higher subdivisions above the b'ak'tun, and I've simplified the 13 count turnover for the k'atun and the b'ak'tun , though this is relevant to the discussion (they seem to only go to 13 when they're the highest subdivision counted, but do the full 20 roll-over when the next highest subdivision above them is included in the date). But essentially, the Mayan calendar's capable of expressing dates of hundreds of millenia forwards or backwards when the higher orders are used, and there's no reason to end the calendar at the conclusion of the 13th b'ak'tun.


Hopefully that clarifies things!




* except that there are only 18 winals in a tun, whereas there are 20 of the other subdivisions (k'in, tun, and k'atun) within the next subdivision.

I believe we discussed this before in a similar thread. The calendar is based off astronomy and the movement of celestial bodies, right? Is it true that the earth will have completed one cycle around the Milky Way on that date or something like that? I read it on a site but I can't seem to find it now.

I will be the first to admit I am actually somewhat in small anticipation of what will happen on 2012 with all of the hype, but deep down know that it will probably go like any other new years unless there is some other major world events going on.

Though the primarily Christian apocalyptic movement will go on, what will happen to the alternative "end of calendar" and "end of age" movements? 2000 and 2012 probably had the most books written about them, the most hype, and the most anticipation. 2012 seems to have even beat 2000 with the new movie coming out and the numerous books I have seen. An entire endstand in Barnes & Noble I saw at one point was dedicated to 2012 books.

I have not really read any or did research, but what other dates are there? What is next? Or will we finally see the end of this "end of age" talk and get down to the reality that we have real problems that need real solutions.

Obama is elected to a 2nd term ?

Oh my god guys! The calendars in my bedroom, my office, and classroom I'm in now all end on December 31, 2009! The apocalypse is sooner than we thought!!!

But yeah. Once the world doesn't end in 2012, maybe they'll latch onto April 2029, when Apophis destroys all life on the planet.

If we aren't lucky enough to all die in April 2029, we still have 2038 to look forward to, when all UNIX computer systems crash and burn!

I make it a point not to follow the 'prophecies' of a civilization that didn't see it's own demise coming.

And as many others have said, they'll just bump the doomsday up.

Obama is elected to a 2nd term ?

Which as we all know are a sign of the apocalypse :p

Pfft. The real threat is in 2038 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem).

You guys are so screwed then.

Btw, if you guys ever want to see all the ways the world could end, I recommend http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm

2. How long ago did the Mayans write their calender?

Their predictions of astronomic happenings have been researched, and they've only been off by about 33 seconds.

I still don't think it's the end of the world, but I believe we're in for some kind of big change. Maybe that's the day GWB sprouts a brain! :p

The truth is revealed: Kryozerkia is secretly Blaise Pascal!

Say.... aren't you almost 386 years old now?

Damnit, my secret has been discovered; and here, I thought I could horde my fountain of youth for another thousand years before someone found out... :)

I believe we discussed this before in a similar thread. The calendar is based off astronomy and the movement of celestial bodies, right? Is it true that the earth will have completed one cycle around the Milky Way on that date or something like that? I read it on a site but I can't seem to find it now.

Even if it wasn't, the Mayans would have to end their calendar somewhere. Just because they happened to say "forget it" in 2012 doesn't foreshadow any apocalyptic doom. It is also likely that many people are just fueling these myths to increase business. The last time this happened in 2000, some people went out and splurged their money, trying to enjoy their last days of life. Other less intelligent people stocked up on abtteries and water (if the world is coming to an end, it's coming to an end...end of story.) I could be wrong, but I'd be willing to bet that revenue has something to do with it.

Is it true that the earth will have completed one cycle around the Milky Way on that date or something like that?
The earth will be at one point on the circle, a point where it has periodically been before, and you can name that point the completion of one cycle and the start of another if you like, just as you could with any other point on the circle, since they're all the same.

We move on to the next moronic disaster event.

I still haven't gotten over the crushing disappointment of civilisation NOT shutting down on New Year's Eve, 1999.

It'll be a lot of "Well, see, there was all this traffic in the Oort Cloud and Nibiru couldn't get through so the superior civilzation there decided that maybe they'd come back in another 3600 years, you know, 'cause they have a lot to do, being superior beings, see, but this was predicted by Vostradangus, he was Nostradamus' uhm second cousin once removed and his quatrains are much better, I mean, he predicted that the sun would rise in the east most of the time and that the sky would be blue and, well, you know, good stuff and then of course there's the Olmec calendar recently discovered and predicts, uhm, predicts that cold futons will be the next source of universal power and a lot more, and was brought to the Americas by Early Christians fleeing from the Vandal pillagers of North Africa but of course they were preceded by Egyptians looking for cheap copper cuz even back then it was very very pricey and ..."

:tongue:

I know a few people who believe in 2012, and thus I will bombard their houses with water balloons. I bet at least one of them will be screaming that the end is here, the end is here.

:D

I know a few people who believe in 2012, and thus I will bombard their houses with water balloons. I bet at least one of them will be screaming that the end is here, the end is here.

:D

Use red food coloring in the water ... "It's raining blood!!!!"

Use red food coloring in the water ... "It's raining blood!!!!"

BRILLIANT!

Of course I will do this either before or after celebrating Yule.

BRILLIANT!

Of course I will do this either before or after celebrating Yule.

Before. Isn't it supposed to be Dec. 22, 2012?

BRILLIANT!

Of course I will do this either before or after celebrating Yule.

I believe the whole thing is supposed to happen on the 20th, 12/20/2012, or, for those of the European persuasion, 20/12/2012. I think it was all those nice ones and zeroes and twos that did it. I mean ... "The world will end on October 17th!" doesn't have the same ring.

Before. Isn't it supposed to be Dec. 22, 2012?

Or whenever. Maybe it'll be a multi-day thing.

Before. Isn't it supposed to be Dec. 22, 2012?

Eh, this is one of the problem with not having a central ruling body. Yule apparently takes up a whole weekend, depending on what path you're on.

For me, Yule is 12/21.

Eh, this is one of the problem with not having a central ruling body. Yule apparently takes up a whole weekend, depending on what path you're on.

For me, Yule is 12/21.

We need someone like a ... hmm, can't use Pontifex Maximus, that title's been usurped. But yeah, a central body. And they could have a Subcommittee on Catastrophes to vet the conspiracy theories and reconcile discrepancies.

We need someone like a ... hmm, can't use Pontifex Maximus, that title's been usurped. But yeah, a central body. And they could have a Subcommittee on Catastrophes to vet the conspiracy theories and reconcile discrepancies.

lol awesome.

I don't think Wicca needs a central ruling body though, it functions great without one.

Ditto.

To be serious I think on December 21 2012 there will be nothing of any major happenstance at all, and we will live one while the crazies grab on to another date.

I'm willing to bet that these people will cause something crazy to happen and then say to everyone. "See we told you the end was near".

I'm willing to bet that these people will cause something crazy to happen and then say to everyone. "See we told you the end was near".

Except the 2012 crazies are not that organized. They will, as SaintB said, simply latch onto a new doomsday date. Probably without batting an eye.

Yea well people also thought the world would end sometime in the 80's, as far as I'm aware it didn't.

Yea well people also thought the world would end sometime in the 80's, as far as I'm aware it didn't.

Except ... wait, I think Keanu Reeves just flew past my office window! :eek2:

I hope it's something unusual and exciting like in the Shadowrun RPG.

You know Shadowrun... *sigh* :fluffle:

Anyway, millennarists will make up something new. I'm betting on the Dogon calender invoking the Doomsday for 2017 - just in time to create a new meme and making a new movie.

Isaac Newton predicted 2060

If we aren't lucky enough to all die in April 2029, we still have 2038 to look forward to, when all UNIX computer systems crash and burn!

That's why we should all switch to Vista now: so we'll be trained in having our computers crash and burn all the time!

You know Shadowrun... *sigh* :fluffle:

Anyway, millennarists will make up something new. I'm betting on the Dogon calender invoking the Doomsday for 2017 - just in time to create a new meme and making a new movie.

Hmmm....

*dashes off to begin writing a book*

That's why we should all switch to Vista now: so we'll be trained in having our computers crash and burn all the time!

I grew up on Windows computers, so it'll just be like old times for me. :D

If we aren't lucky enough to all die in April 2029, we still have 2038 to look forward to, when all UNIX computer systems crash and burn!

Pfft. The real threat is in 2038 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem).


Haha! I've out-speednerd all of you eariler in the thread:

January 19, 2038 at 3:14:07. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem)

This may be the happiest day of my life. What? Yes, out-speednerded is a real word and I don't care what no dictionary says about it!

Use red food coloring in the water ... "It's raining blood!!!!"

Ooohh wonderful!

Haha! I've out-speednerd all of you eariler in the thread:

This may be the happiest day of my life. What? Yes, out-speednerded is a real word and I don't care what no dictionary says about it!

Damn it.

You know. It's interesting the Christians have begun to latch on to it, when 2012 is no where mentioned in the Bible or other early Christian writings as the date for doomsday.

Actually the Bible says doomsday will come when we are not expecting it. So it could come on Friday the 13th. It could come in 2112 or it could come in the year 3,000 or the year 100,000.

2012 won't be uneventful!

It will be just as eventful as 2010, minus the T-virus outbreak. Please contact your local seer for more details.:D

Even if it wasn't, the Mayans would have to end their calendar somewhere. Just because they happened to say "forget it" in 2012 doesn't foreshadow any apocalyptic doom. It is also likely that many people are just fueling these myths to increase business.

The Mayan calander doesn't actually end. It is a cyclical calander that keeps rotating.

Think of it as an odometer in a car. In 2012 the Mayan clander is going to 'reset' to let's say 000,000. This doesn't mean the world is ending, just that the calander is starting over. It could also be there is an outer ring of the calander that has been destroyed or never figured out. So the calander could be 1,000,000 in 2012.

I will agree with people jumping on the ship to get some money out of the scare.

Something has to happen. But we will never know until the date.

Something has to happen.

No, it doesn't. You lose, try again.

Something has to happen. But we will never know until the date.

"Something"? Like what?

I think 2012 is the year of the London Olympics, isn't it? And it'll be a Presidential Election year in the States. People will be born, will die, will do everything people do. Will it matter if the Mayan calendar turns over to a new cycle? I doubt it. Is some huge planet going to appear from the outer reaches of the solar system and loom over us? Nope.

So, "something"?

OK, now I have a scary thought to bring up:

What if a terrorist group were to deliberately time a major attack (eg setting off a nuclear bomb in D.C.) to occur on December 22, 2012?

OK, now I have a scary thought to bring up:

What if a terrorist group were to deliberately time a major attack (eg setting off a nuclear bomb in D.C.) to occur on December 22, 2012?

It would be reported as a terrorist strike, not - I hope - as some woooo prediction about the end of the world coming true.

It would be reported as a terrorist strike, not - I hope - as some woooo prediction about the end of the world coming true.

Yes, but how many people would take it as a sign of the end of the world? Especially if it came out of nowhere?

Well some said an alien species in a planet called "Nibiru" which will pass in the center of the galaxy, which in reality, in 2012, the Earth and it's Solar System will pass the center of the galaxy (not center of to be exact, somewhat like equator of the milky way galaxy) which according to a book where the planet Nibiru will pass. Nibiru is home to a technological advanced civilization than us, I certainly don't have any ideas how far they are advanced (maybe around 100-10000 years or more??) to us. But one thing is that they will save us from the certain apocalypse. Well the apocalypse here are not an alien invasion or something, but the close of Nibiru and Earth which will have effect on gravity on Earth. I do believe in alien civilizations and that they are advanced but in a concept that they don't look like the aliens we see that big heads with black eyes or something. It is possible they look like that for a reason that it's a kind of advanced suit with space capabilities which only make them look like something?? Well, I really can't say though, I'm not a Scientist, Astronomer, nor Prophet. Just wait in December of 2012 (that's the month and year that they send the 13th Ba'aktun of the Mayan Calendar will end which will they call the end of the world) and let's see what happens.

One another thing is the alignment of planets, well from what I read (IDK if from NASA or not) is that in December 2012 the planets will really align to each other. Well, end of the world??? Hope not...

One another thing is the alignment of planets, well from what I read (IDK if from NASA or not) is that in December 2012 the planets will really align to each other. Well, end of the world??? Hope not...

What will happen is that on the Winter Solstice, the Earth, Sun, and Galactic Center will be in alignment.

This has happened every winter solstice for a few decades. The most precise alignment was in 1998.

Well some said an alien species in a planet called "Nibiru" which will pass in the center of the galaxy, which in reality, in 2012, the Earth and it's Solar System will pass the center of the galaxy (not center of to be exact, somewhat like equator of the milky way galaxy) which according to a book where the planet Nibiru will pass. Nibiru is home to a technological advanced civilization than us, I certainly don't have any ideas how far they are advanced (maybe around 100-10000 years or more??) to us. But one thing is that they will save us from the certain apocalypse. Well the apocalypse here are not an alien invasion or something, but the close of Nibiru and Earth which will have effect on gravity on Earth. I do believe in alien civilizations and that they are advanced but in a concept that they don't look like the aliens we see that big heads with black eyes or something. It is possible they look like that for a reason that it's a kind of advanced suit with space capabilities which only make them look like something?? Well, I really can't say though, I'm not a Scientist, Astronomer, nor Prophet. Just wait in December of 2012 (that's the month and year that they send the 13th Ba'aktun of the Mayan Calendar will end which will they call the end of the world) and let's see what happens.


And you're not an archaeologist, either.

I (slightly egotistically) suggest you read this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14729119&postcount=19)from page 2 of this thread.

And you're not an archaeologist, either.

I (slightly egotistically) suggest you read this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14729119&postcount=19)from page 2 of this thread.

It's true I'm no those 4, but those are what I read from the book of Zecharia Sitchin, well she has infos based on Sumerian tablets found. Search in the internet and you'll see her.

Mayan and Sumeria are far away, if I'm correct Mayan would be in the present-day Mexico and Sumeria would be present-day Iraq. So they do have differences regarding that 2012. Still not sure, as I said, I'm no in those 4. Let's just see the 2012 then. :D

It's true I'm no those 4, but those are what I read from the book of Zecharia Sitchin, well she has infos based on Sumerian tablets found. Search in the internet and you'll see her.

Zecharia Sitchin, if that's the correct spelling is a moron, and I think he's a man as well, if this is the one I'm thinking of. He talks shit, and you'd have to be a moron to believe him.

Zecharia Sitchin, if that's the correct spelling is a moron, and I think he's a man as well, if this is the one I'm thinking of. He talks shit, and you'd have to be a moron to believe him.

Like following jesus?

Like following jesus?

Much less sensical than that.

Idk, after the big disappointment of Y2k and all that water and canned goods, etc...we bought for no reason, Im not holding my breath...

Much less sensical than that.

Really!? This guy must be dumb as.

It's true I'm no those 4, but those are what I read from the book of Zecharia Sitchin, well she has infos based on Sumerian tablets found. Search in the internet and you'll see her.

Mayan and Sumeria are far away, if I'm correct Mayan would be in the present-day Mexico and Sumeria would be present-day Iraq. So they do have differences regarding that 2012. Still not sure, as I said, I'm no in those 4. Let's just see the 2012 then. :D

Zecharia Sitchin, if that's the correct spelling is a moron, and I think he's a man as well, if this is the one I'm thinking of. He talks shit, and you'd have to be a moron to believe him.

Sitchin - who is a man - bases his Nibiru nonsense on his own, very eccentric translations of Sumerian tablets. In fact, no one heard of "Nibiru" before Sitchin published The 12th Planet (I think that's the one). And before someone plays the "big conspiracy by orthodox archaeologists/astronomers/NASA/whatever to protect their huge government grants," please consider this: what would a scientist like better, doing the same old thing until he or she dies or discovering a new planet and proof that aliens intervened on Earth to lift the Sumerians to civilization? And can you imagine the rain of Nobel Prizes, grants, appearances on The View that would descend upon that person?

As for lining up the planets, not going to happen in 2012, not majorly, anyway. And you can draw a line between the center of the galaxy, the Earth and the sun twice a year.

The same thing that happened when everyone was freaking out over Y2K.

Nothing.

As for lining up the planets, not going to happen in 2012, not majorly, anyway. And you can draw a line between the center of the galaxy, the Earth and the sun twice a year.
The alignment with the center of the galaxy is not possible. I used an astronomy program to check it out:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6440/nonalignment.th.jpg (http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nonalignment.jpg)

The red marker is where the center of the galaxy is.

Interestingly, it does align with the PLANE of the galaxy on that date.

EDIT: Admittedly, it's not the best example, but it's there.

The alignment with the center of the galaxy is not possible. I used an astronomy program to check it out:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6440/nonalignment.th.jpg (http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nonalignment.jpg)

The red marker is where the center of the galaxy is.

Interestingly, it does align with the PLANE of the galaxy on that date.

Red marker? Anyway, my (badly expressed) point was, so what? What's special about lining up with the plane of the galaxy or Epsilon Eridani or any place?

No, it doesn't. You lose, try again.

By definition, something always has to happen.

There's a simpler answer. Recycle more, research more, be sustainable. I don't get annoyed by those religious predictions (my opinion). All I matter is getting my A-levels and throwing less stuff into the landfills although the only way to get rid of personal statements to stop ID theft is fire. Lucky I have a real fireplace to do the job.

Finally, be optimistic that you've got years of ambition ahead of you.

I really have no idea what will happen, but I have January 1, 2013 marked on my phones calendar as a day to laugh at all the people who were wrong about the world ending. And if their right, well, who really cares, we'll all be dead!

It's utter credulous bollocks, the whole affair. I can only advise those who believe in the world's ending in 2012 either return to education, or find more fulfilling activites to occupy themselves with.

The same thing that happened after people panicked and killed themselves after Haley's Comet visited...

...the unsuperstitious of us go on with our lives.

Well, humans do love superstitions by the looks of it.

Yes, but how many people would take it as a sign of the end of the world? Especially if it came out of nowhere?

Eh, seeing how our intelligence warned both Clinton and Bush Jr. about 9/11, I don't think it would catch us by surprise by that much. It'd be in the news about a month or week before it's suppose to go down.

One another thing is the alignment of planets, well from what I read (IDK if from NASA or not) is that in December 2012 the planets will really align to each other. Well, end of the world??? Hope not...

Don't the planet align every Dec. 21st though?

The same thing that happened when everyone was freaking out over Y2K.

Nothing.

Yea, but there were people who were working on computers that weren't Y2K compliance.

The same thing that happened after people panicked and killed themselves after Haley's Comet visited...

...the unsuperstitious of us go on with our lives.

and Nike passed up a great advertising opportunity. Just like the corporation who made Kool-Aid passed up a great opportunity to use Jones Town.

I'm going to Hell, I know.

well i know one thing, there's a world's faire scheduled for 2015 somewhere in italy. i remember seeing the webpage. i think i found the link to it from something on you tube.

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Don't the planet align every Dec. 21st though?

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No, actually, they don't. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_alignment#Astronomy)