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Holocaust Remembrance Day--Yom HaShoah:

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/holocaust/a/yomhashoah.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_Remembrance_Day

It is especially important to remember the victims of the Holocaust in view of current developments, in particular the expressed intent of Iran to bring about another genocide in Israel and their imminent capability to do just that.
It must not be allowed to happen again. And I say this as a Gentile.

Are you doing anything today to observe Holocaust Remembrance Day?

I'd like to hear in particular from any relatives of Holocaust victims, or survivors. Or survivors themselves, if there are any here on NSG.

"It must not be allowed to happen again"; it happens all the time. The United States is responsible for God knows how many deaths, and genocide is happening all over the globe.

The Holocaust was a tragedy, just as the human race is.

"It must not be allowed to happen again"; it happens all the time. The United States is responsible for God knows how many deaths, and genocide is happening all over the globe.

The Holocaust was a tragedy, just as the human race is.

As long as we exist, genocide will exist.

"It must not be allowed to happen again"; it happens all the time. The United States is responsible for God knows how many deaths, and genocide is happening all over the globe.

The Holocaust was a tragedy, just as the human race is.

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Pass the prozac.


How can anyone forget the holocaust anyway?

loljews

As long as we exist, genocide will exist.

Yes, though we can minimize it; here we stand, worrying about Iran, when genocide is already being conducted in Darfur.

"It must not be allowed to happen again"; it happens all the time.

No, it does not happen "all the tiime." Warfare is one thing. The deliberate policy of exterminating an entire ethnic group is something else. And to the extent that such policies are in place today, they must be stopped.

The United States is responsible for God knows how many deaths

This is not the thread for Americaphobia.

and genocide is happening all over the globe.

See above.

The Holocaust was a tragedy, just as the human race is.


Othello was a tragedy. The Holocaust was a deliberate crime against humanity. Furthermore, "just as" falsely asserts equivalence between the two, and thus trivializes the Holocaust.

how do you celebrate industrialized slaughter? I'd like to know because I already have a bun in the oven

also no I refuse to be depressed or sickened by watching some documentary

No, it does not happen "all the tiime." Warfare is one thing. The deliberate policy of exterminating an entire ethnic group is something else. And to the extent that such policies are in place today, they must be stopped.

Mass-murder is mass-murder; dead is dead. Why the innocent are killed does not trouble so much as the fact that they were killed.

This is not the thread for Americaphobia.

Is it a thread for hypocrites?

See above.

You spend your time to tell us to prevent genocide; tell me, what are you doing to prevent genocide in Darfur?


Othello was a tragedy. The Holocaust was a deliberate crime against humanity. Furthermore, "just as" falsely asserts equivalence between the two, and thus trivializes the Holocaust.

Humanity is letting millions die regularly. It is just as tragic.

Yes, though we can minimize it; here we stand, worrying about Iran, when genocide is already being conducted in Darfur.

Sudan has no oil.

I still remember the story that my grandpa told me. He was serving in the military during WW II, and one day his troop went to a concentration camp. He never told us what he saw in there, and this was a man who would vividly describe the landing on Normandy Beach. Anyways, after he came out of the Concentration camp, he told his commanding officer to never, ever make him go in one of those before. He'd rather go down in a hail of gun fire than to go into another camp.

You spend your time to tell us to prevent genocide; tell me, what are you doing to prevent genocide in Darfur?

Supporting efforts to bring Bashir to justice and replace the current regime in Khartoum. What are you doing?

Humanity is letting millions die regularly. It is just as tragic.

There is a fundamental difference between "letting" something happen and deliberately bringing it about. If you don't see the difference, your moral compass needs repair.

I still remember the story that my grandpa told me. He was serving in the military during WW II, and one day his troop went to a concentration camp. He never told us what he saw in there, and this was a man who would vividly describe the landing on Normandy Beach. Anyways, after he came out of the Concentration camp, he told his commanding officer to never, ever make him go in one of those before. He'd rather go down in a hail of gun fire than to go into another camp.

It must have been horrendous. Did he every have anything to say about Holocaust deniers?

This is not the thread for Americaphobia.


It is especially important to remember the victims of the Holocaust in view of current developments, in particular the expressed intent of Iran to bring about another genocide in Israel and their imminent capability to do just that.

No, apperantly its a thread for Islamophobia. Only you would try and use a day to remember the victims of the Holocaust to push your prejudice agenda. Not that thats suprising or anything.

The only thing suprising is that you didnt try and use it to push your anti-Obama propaganda too.

Supporting efforts to bring Bashir to justice and replace the current regime in Khartoum. What are you doing?

Donations. Plus, I eventually intend to acquire a job in which I can affect a peace-keeping mission over there.

There is a fundamental difference between "letting" something happen and deliberately bringing it about. If you don't see the difference, your moral compass needs repair.

Humanity often brings it about. How many Presidents were voted for who committed murder on a large scale? Many of those Presidents, such as Reagan, are still loved.

Supporting efforts to bring Bashir to justice and replace the current regime in Khartoum. What are you doing?


Considering the USA unsigned the Rome Statute and isn't signed up to the ICC, that's rather ironic.

It must have been horrendous. Did he every have anything to say about Holocaust deniers?

This was one of those things he actually never ever talked about, except that one time.

There are just some things you don't press on, and this would be a big one.

I still remember the story that my grandpa told me. He was serving in the military during WW II, and one day his troop went to a concentration camp. He never told us what he saw in there, and this was a man who would vividly describe the landing on Normandy Beach. Anyways, after he came out of the Concentration camp, he told his commanding officer to never, ever make him go in one of those before. He'd rather go down in a hail of gun fire than to go into another camp.

My grandfather went in one of those, too. He told my father: "Just so you know, if people ever tell you that didn't happen, they are lying."

No, apperantly its a thread for Islamophobia.

Apparently you missed A-Muddy-Dinner-Jacket's anti-Semitic, anti-Israel tirade at yesterday's UN meeting in Geneva. Fully consistent with his oft-expressed intention to wipe Israel off the map.

Only you would try and use a day to remember the victims of the Holocaust to push your prejudice agenda. Not that thats suprising or anything.

The only thing unsuprising is that you didnt try and use it to push your anti-Obama propaganda too.

See above. Otherwise, I won't dignify that with a further response.

Considering the USA unsigned the Rome Statute and isn't signed up to the ICC, that's rather ironic.

Neither are necessary to effect the required change.

Apparently you missed A-Muddy-Dinner-Jacket's anti-Semitic, anti-Israel tirade at yesterday's UN meeting in Geneva. Fully consistent with his oft-expressed intention to wipe Israel off the map.



See above. Otherwise, I won't dignify that with a further response.

I didnt miss it. I read the transcript. It is, however, irrelevent. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad being an anti-semetic jackass doesnt change the fact that youre trying to use the victims of the fucking Holocaust to push your agenda. Ahmadinejad being a prick doesnt make you any less despicable.

ps- That meeting yesterday that Mahmoud spoke at? Yeah, the US boycotted it. Now, why dont you say something nice about Obama for that? :D

Its a day to remember not just the Holocaust but all genocides. To reflect on the continuing use of state power to arbitarily torture and kill innocents by a number of our own countries as well as by foreigners far away from us, and our own scapegoating and prejudices against ethnic and religious minorities. Only by thinking about these uncomfortable truths can we do those who died in the Holocaust a proper honour; working seriously towards stopping atrocities like this happening again, anywhere, and consigning racism, and, actually, ALL forms of arbitrary and senseless discrimination, to the dustbin of history.

Holocaust Remembrance Day--Yom HaShoah:

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/holocaust/a/yomhashoah.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_Remembrance_Day

It is especially important to remember the victims of the Holocaust in view of current developments, in particular the expressed intent of Iran to bring about another genocide in Israel and their imminent capability to do just that.
It must not be allowed to happen again. And I say this as a Gentile.

Are you doing anything today to observe Holocaust Remembrance Day?

I'd like to hear in particular from any relatives of Holocaust victims, or survivors. Or survivors themselves, if there are any here on NSG.

Leave it to you to take a shit all over the Holocaust, even when you pretend otherwise.

You don't know what "never again" means, and you're a fucking cowardly hypocrite hiding your psychopathic pro-genocide, pro-war beliefs behind Holocaust Remembrance. Even while you're pretending to believe in "never again" you are championing war, and you have supported the most de-humanizing language towards Muslims, liberals, homosexuals.

Never again means never again, for Muslims, Jews, anyone. No genocide. But you happily bang the drum of war and are even using this pretend-remembrence of yours as an excuse. Nuke Iran, amirite? Bomb it? That's what you want, right?

Just because your copy of Der Sturmer goes on about Muslim "barbarians" or homosexual "deviants" doesn't make you any less of a nazi. You'd happily let it happen "again," only with Muslims in the cattle cars.

Because you hate Muslims just as fervently, just as devoutly, just as irrationally as the Nazis hated Jews, you dirty the memory of all who died in the Holocaust, even while you pretend to give a shit.

People like me - you know, Jews, the people whose fear of genocide you are actually trying to use as an excuse to commit more genocide - know who to watch out for. And that's people like you. Beacuse given the least opportunity, you'll be goose-stepping and denouncing your neighbors and breaking glass with the rest of them.

So you can take your faux-remembrance, faux-compassion and shove it right up your faux-hetero ass.

Lets also remember that not only Jews were killed. Thousands of homosexuals were too. But who here is suprised the OP left that bit out? Im sure as fuck not.

http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/Newsletter.htm

List of non-jewish victims.

Leave it to you to take a shit all over the Holocaust, even when you pretend otherwise.

You don't know what "never again" means, and you're a fucking cowardly hypocrite hiding your psychopathic pro-genocide, pro-war beliefs behind Holocaust Remembrance. Even while you're pretending to believe in "never again" you are championing war, and you have supported the most de-humanizing language towards Muslims, liberals, homosexuals.

Never again means never again, for Muslims, Jews, anyone. No genocide. But you happily bang the drum of war and are even using this pretend-remembrence of yours as an excuse. Nuke Iran, amirite? Bomb it? That's what you want, right?

Just because your copy of Der Sturmer goes on about Muslim "barbarians" or homosexual "deviants" doesn't make you any less of a nazi. You'd happily let it happen "again," only with Muslims in the cattle cars.

Because you hate Muslims just as fervently, just as devoutly, just as irrationally as the Nazis hated Jews, you dirty the memory of all who died in the Holocaust, even while you pretend to give a shit.

People like me - you know, Jews, the people whose fear of genocide you are actually trying to use as an excuse to commit more genocide - know who to watch out for. And that's people like you. Beacuse given the least opportunity, you'll be goose-stepping and denouncing your neighbors and breaking glass with the rest of them.

So you can take your faux-remembrance, faux-compassion and shove it right up your faux-hetero ass.

:hail::fluffle::hail:

Donations. Plus, I eventually intend to acquire a job in which I can affect a peace-keeping mission over there.

I commend your career goal. That being the case, surely you can appreciate that the Holocaust was not merely some "tragedy" or some ordinary event.

How many Presidents were voted for who committed murder on a large scale? Many of those Presidents, such as Reagan, are still loved.

No such "mass murders" occurred. Again, don't trivialize the Holocaust.

Again, don't trivialize the Holocaust.

Youre one to talk. You finished with your plans for your Muslim 'Final Solution'? Better hurry, zey are breeding like zee vermin!

Fully consistent with his oft-expressed intention to wipe Israel off the map.
It's my understanding that Ahmadinejad has only made one, contentiously-translated, statement along these lines.

Do you know otherwise?

Leave it to you to take a shit all over the Holocaust, even when you pretend otherwise.

You don't know what "never again" means, and you're a fucking cowardly hypocrite hiding your psychopathic pro-genocide, pro-war beliefs behind Holocaust Remembrance. Even while you're pretending to believe in "never again" you are championing war, and you have supported the most de-humanizing language towards Muslims, liberals, homosexuals.

Never again means never again, for Muslims, Jews, anyone. No genocide. But you happily bang the drum of war and are even using this pretend-remembrence of yours as an excuse. Nuke Iran, amirite? Bomb it? That's what you want, right?

Just because your copy of Der Sturmer goes on about Muslim "barbarians" or homosexual "deviants" doesn't make you any less of a nazi. You'd happily let it happen "again," only with Muslims in the cattle cars.

Because you hate Muslims just as fervently, just as devoutly, just as irrationally as the Nazis hated Jews, you dirty the memory of all who died in the Holocaust, even while you pretend to give a shit.

People like me - you know, Jews, the people whose fear of genocide you are actually trying to use as an excuse to commit more genocide - know who to watch out for. And that's people like you. Beacuse given the least opportunity, you'll be goose-stepping and denouncing your neighbors and breaking glass with the rest of them.

So you can take your faux-remembrance, faux-compassion and shove it right up your faux-hetero ass.

Among the bullshit, one occassionally finds Truth here on NSG. This post tops all I've found.

Well said sir.

It's my understanding that Ahmadinejad has only made one, contentiously-translated, statement along these lines.

Do you know otherwise?

You have to remember our thought process.

Ahmynameistoolong makes one comment about wiping Israel off the map. The news outlet here plays it 100 times so he said it 100 times. ;)

New Mitanni, can I ask you something?

In your sig you say: I will give your president the same respect you gave mine.


What is meant by this? Is it that you liked Bush and others hated him, therefore you hate Osa... Obama, sorry?

Neutral Moresnet was wiped off the map in 1920, yet not one of its population of 3,000 or so were harmed. A country ceasing to exist and genocide are not necessarily the same thing. That said the chance of Israel ceasing to exist is zero, and Ahmadinedjad is just posturing.

...

No such "mass murders" occurred. Again, don't trivialize the Holocaust.

You are correct that Reagan did not commit mass murder or genocide. He merely supported people who did.

One quick word of advice. Trotsia has brilliantly exposed the hypocritical hijacking of Holocaust Remembrance by NM. There's no need to do anything now that looks like vindictive pushing of the point, or mod action might be forthcoming. And he isn't worth it. He's done.

Lets also remember that not only Jews were killed. Thousands of homosexuals were too. But who here is suprised the OP left that bit out? Im sure as fuck not.

http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/Newsletter.htm

List of non-jewish victims.

The so-called "gay holocaust" is a myth and an offensive one at that. The fact is that virtually all homosexuals who were arrested by the Nazis went to work camps, not extermination camps.

Moreover, "thousands" of homosexuals are not comparable to six million Jews.

New Mitanni, can I ask you something?

In your sig you say:

What is meant by this? Is it that you liked Bush and others hated him, therefore you hate Osa... Obama, sorry?

Don't feed NM, please, don't. This thread is not about that.

I commend your career goal. That being the case, surely you can appreciate that the Holocaust was not merely some "tragedy" or some ordinary event.

Sadly, it is not as unusual as we would like to think.

No such "mass murders" occurred. Again, don't trivialize the Holocaust.

A man once tried to purge unfavorable races from his country with gas-chambers; his name was Saddam Hussein, and he was helped by Reagan. I hold the Government of the United States responsible for many atrocities; I blame Carter for his starving of Russians, I blame Clinton for his needless bombings.

The so-called "gay holocaust" is a myth and an offensive one at that. The fact is that virtually all homosexuals who were arrested by the Nazis went to work camps, not extermination camps.
Source?

Moreover, "thousands" of homosexuals are not comparable to six million Jews.
Theyre still people. Thousands of people. Just because you agree with Hitler that they should be whiped out doesnt mean that they arent people.

Youre the one being offensive here. Everyone can see right through you.

It is especially important to remember the victims of the Holocaust in view of current developments, in particular the expressed intent of Iran to bring about another genocide in Israel and their imminent capability to do just that.

It must not be allowed to happen again. And I say this as a Gentile.
Remember, kids, Jews were not the only ones to suffer in this. Homosexuals, communists, and millions of Roma people also lost their lives. A damned shame that it all happened.

Remember, kids, Jews were not the only ones to suffer in this. Homosexuals, communists, and millions of Roma people also lost their lives. A damned shame that it all happened.

Beat ya to it.

The so-called "gay holocaust" is a myth and an offensive one at that. The fact is that virtually all homosexuals who were arrested by the Nazis went to work camps, not extermination camps.

Moreover, "thousands" of homosexuals are not comparable to six million Jews.

What the fuck, Man?

Don't feed NM, please, don't. This thread is not about that.

Sorry, I was interested in what he meant by "his president"?

You are correct that Reagan did not commit mass murder or genocide. He merely supported people who did.

Actively supported, and that is good enough for me.

One quick word of advice. Trotsia has brilliantly exposed the hypocritical hijacking of Holocaust Remembrance by NM. There's no need to do anything now that looks like vindictive pushing of the point, or mod action might be forthcoming. And he isn't worth it. He's done.

I'm not going to dignify that with a response either, other than to observe that your user name is perhaps well-chosen.

Sorry, I was interested in what he meant by "his president"?

Fetish.

What the fuck, man?

NM agrees with Hitler that homosexuals should be 'removed'. So of course he's pretending that it wasnt that bad or didnt happen.


Hes pretty much now the equivalent to a Holocaust denier.

Sorry, I was interested in what he meant by "his president"?

TG him or something.

TG him or something.

Okies.

NM agrees with Hitler that homosexuals should be 'removed'. So of course he's pretending that it wasnt that bad or didnt happen.

Damned hypocritical thread.

Hes pretty much now the equivalent to a Holocaust denier.

He is a denier, just on the parts that he wants to deny. He probably only cares a fig for Jews because Israel pounds the shit out of Arabs.

The so-called "gay holocaust" is a myth and an offensive one at that. The fact is that virtually all homosexuals who were arrested by the Nazis went to work camps, not extermination camps.

Everyone that could be put to work went to work camps first. News Flash for you: Germany in WWII was short on labor.

Just because people were sent initially to work camps does not mean that they wouldn't later be sent to be killed.

Damned hypocritical thread.



He is a denier, just on the parts that he wants to deny. He probably only cares a fig for Jews because Israel pounds the shit out of Arabs.

Hes only using this to push his just-as-racist-as-the-Nazis political agenda. Im willing to bet that the minute Israel stops being a convient ally for the US he stops caring about them too.

Lets also remember that not only Jews were killed. Thousands of homosexuals were too. But who here is suprised the OP left that bit out? Im sure as fuck not.

http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/Newsletter.htm

List of non-jewish victims.

True, there were also gypsies and handicapped who died.

Apparently I don't fit into Hitler's Master Race. :(

The so-called "gay holocaust" is a myth and an offensive one at that. The fact is that virtually all homosexuals who were arrested by the Nazis went to work camps, not extermination camps.

Moreover, "thousands" of homosexuals are not comparable to six million Jews.

.....ow....I think the frontal lobe of my brain just exploded.....

.....ow....I think the frontal lobe of my brain just exploded.....

Yeah, New Mitanni has that effect.:(

Hes only using this to push his just-as-racist-as-the-Nazis political agenda. Im willing to bet that the minute Israel stops being a convient ally for the US he stops caring about them too.

Probably. It is sad that the Holocaust is used as toilet paper for the bigoted "bomb the Muslims" shit.

The so-called "gay holocaust" is a myth and an offensive one at that. The fact is that virtually all homosexuals who were arrested by the Nazis went to work camps, not extermination camps.

Absolute bullshit. The homosexuals were treated as badly as any group deemed deviant by the Nazis, if not worse.

Here are a few facts about the treatment of homosexuals in camps.

1. As one of the most despised groups in the camps, homosexuals were denied access to privileged positions in the camps such as food distribution, labour assignments, and sick-bay referrals. Those who did not get into such positions had virtually no chance of escaping alive.

2. Homosexuals were frequently sent to the most high-mortality task in factories and quarries such as those producing V-2 rockets, an assignment widely regarded as an almost certain death sentence

3. They were a particualr target for medical experiments, such as hormone tests in Buchnwald which aimed to make them heterosexual by castrating them then injecting them with huge doses of male hormones

4. Few of the other inmates were interested in cooperating with homosexuals, meaning that they were rejected from clandestine committees and isolated within the camp, lacking the normal support network. Friends and close relatives were afraid to try and stay in contact with them in case they were found to be guilty by association.

5. Alongside the Jews, the homosexuals were the group the SS regarded as most despicable, and were thus the main targets of humiliation rituals.

6. After 'liberation', homosexuals did not receive any sort of compensation or aid, since their activities were still illegal. Indeed, in many cases, they were transferred to standard prisons to serve sentences for their sexual crimes.

Source:
Richard Plant, The pink triangle : the Nazi war against homosexuals

I suggest you familiarize yourself with this book (or, indeed, any respected book on the topic) before you come on here spouting more insulting and inaccurate shit.

The Nazis were as disgusted by homosexuality as they were by Judaism, and homosexuals suffered treatment amonst the worst of any group within the camps. Furthermore, when the war ended, they received no recompense, unlike all other groups. How dare you dismiss their deaths and suffering as insignificant because recognizing their suffering doesn't fit your political agenda. You disgust me.

The so-called "gay holocaust" is a myth and an offensive one at that. The fact is that virtually all homosexuals who were arrested by the Nazis went to work camps, not extermination camps.

Moreover, "thousands" of homosexuals are not comparable to six million Jews.

Were these the work camps where people got to eat cake all day and sing happy songs while putting in a few leisurely hours making shiny toys for good Nazi children - or were they the work camps where people were worked to death?

Absolute bullshit. The homosexuals were treated as badly as any group deemed deviant by the Nazis, if not worse.

Here are a few facts about the treatment of homosexuals in camps.

1. As one of the most despised groups in the camps, homosexuals were denied access to privileged positions in the camps such as food distribution, labour assignments, and sick-bay referrals. Those who did not get into such positions had virtually no chance of escaping alive.

2. Homosexuals were frequently sent to the most high-mortality task in factories and quarries such as those producing V-2 rockets, an assignment widely regarded as an almost certain death sentence

3. They were a particualr target for medical experiments, such as hormone tests in Buchnwald which aimed to make them heterosexual by castrating them then injecting them with huge doses of male hormones

4. Few of the other inmates were interested in cooperating with homosexuals, meaning that they were rejected from clandestine committees and isolated within the camp, lacking the normal support network. Friends and close relatives were afraid to try and stay in contact with them in case they were found to be guilty by association.

5. Alongside the Jews, the homosexuals were the group the SS regarded as most despicable, and were thus the main targets of humiliation rituals.

6. After 'liberation', homosexuals did not receive any sort of compensation or aid, since their activities were still illegal. Indeed, in many cases, they were transferred to standard prisons to serve sentences for their sexual crimes.

Source:
Richard Plant, The pink triangle : the Nazi war against homosexuals

I suggest you familiarize yourself with this book (or, indeed, any respected book on the topic) before you come on here spouting more insulting and inaccurate shit.

The Nazis were as disgusted by homosexuality as they were by Judaism, and homosexuals suffered the treatment amonst the worst of any group within the camps. Furthermore, when the war ended, they received no recompense, unlike all other groups. How dare you dismiss their deaths and suffering as insignificant because recognizing their suffering doesn't fit your political agenda. You disgust me.

You and Trostia win the internet today.

Were these the work camps where people got to eat cake all day and sing happy songs while putting in a few leisurely hours making shiny toys for good Nazi children - or were they the work camps where people were worked to death?

There was no such thing as a gay work camp.

There was no such thing as a gay work camp.

Did hey say there was a gay work camp?

There was no such thing as a gay work camp.

If it was it probably would have been fabulous.

If it was it probably would have been fabulous.

And it might have had gorgeous decoration.

Did hey say there was a gay work camp?

He was asking if they had cake and happy song.

There was no such thing as a gay work camp.

Failed sarcasm on my part - I was trying to point out that Nazi labour camps were as much death camps as the extermination camps.

Failed sarcasm on my part - I was trying to point out that Nazi labour camps were as much death camps as the extermination camps.

I know, but your use of the word "gay" coupled with cakes and toys invited my comment.

Trust NSG to fuck something like this up.

Source?

Eventually I may begin another thread debunking the so-called "gay holocaust." For the time being, I will note the following:

1) about 85% of all Jews in Germany and German-occupied territories were rounded up. That's six million. About 1% of homosexuals in the same area were arrested.

2) Jews were targeted for extermination. Homosexuals were arrested for criminal violations (e.g., Paragraph 175 of the German Penal Code).

3) Jews were virtually never released from extermination camps. Homosexuals could be released from prison by renouncing homosexual behavior. To quote a survivor with direct knowledge of the subject:

"All they [those accused of being homosexual] had to do to get out [of the camp] was to sign a paper to say that they had been rehabilitated and wouldn’t do it [engage in homosexual activity] anymore . . . .They were allowed to go back to their families. [sic: "]They were not targeted to die. Not like we were."

Stephan Ross, Holocaust survivor, as quoted in The Massachusetts News, April 5, 2000 (emphasis added).

http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/2000/4_April/aprhol.htm

4) the punishment for hiding Jews was death. There was no such punishment for hiding homosexuals.

Just because you agree with Hitler that they should be whiped out doesnt mean that they arent people.

You, sir, are a liar. And if you had the balls to say that to my face, you would now be looking for your teeth.

Youre the one being offensive here. Everyone can see right through you.

Wrong. And wrong.

No, apperantly its a thread for Islamophobia.

Saying that Iran wants to wipe out Israel (which it does, and you'd be a moron to disagree) doesn't equal Islamophobia. You fail, as per usual.

There was no such thing as a gay work camp.

Well, yes (http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005261) there were. The prisoners got pink triangles identifying them as homosexuals, and some Nazis believed that hard work and humiliation - being put into a concentration camp, in other words - would "cure" the "deviant" behavior.

It's pretty darkly amusing that NM poo-poo'd Holocaust Deniers and then went right on to denying that homosexuals were victimized by the Nazis just as the Jews were. Or dismissing it since hey, 100,000 is less than 6 million, so it doesn't count or something.

And it doesn't surprise me he's not going to "dignify" us with some bullshit defense, because there isn't one. His use of the term "deviant" is indefensible, completely fitting with Nazi propaganda about homosexuals, and quite reminiscent of terms like Gemeinschaftsfremd or Untermenschen.

Bah.

Saying that Iran wants to wipe out Israel (which it does, and you'd be a moron to disagree) doesn't equal Islamophobia. You fail, as per usual.

But it is obviously being used to further an agenda; "the war on terror". Using the Holocaust to further a political agenda is wrong.

Nobody here supports Iran's awful Government.

Eventually I may begin another thread debunking the so-called "gay holocaust."
I hope so, because then Im not the only one who can see how vile you are.
For the time being, I will note the following:

1) about 85% of all Jews in Germany and German-occupied territories were rounded up. That's six million. About 1% of homosexuals in the same area were arrested.

2) Jews were targeted for extermination. Homosexuals were arrested for criminal violations (e.g., Paragraph 175 of the German Penal Code).

3) Jews were virtually never released from extermination camps. Homosexuals could be released from prison by renouncing homosexual behavior. To quote a survivor with direct knowledge of the subject:

"All they [those accused of being homosexual] had to do to get out [of the camp] was to sign a paper to say that they had been rehabilitated and wouldn’t do it [engage in homosexual activity] anymore . . . .They were allowed to go back to their families. [sic: "]They were not targeted to die. Not like we were."

Stephan Ross, Holocaust survivor, as quoted in The Massachusetts News, April 5, 2000 (emphasis added).

http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/2000/4_April/aprhol.htm
Ah, well, this guy's anecdotal evidence clearly disproves all the evidence out there. I now believe the German guards who said they never killed jews as well.
You, sir, are a liar. And if you had the balls to say that to my face, you would now be looking for your teeth.
No, Im not. And Id say to your face, your big bad e-threats aside. You want to whipe out gays and muslims in the same was as Hitler whiped out the Jews. Youre also a bloody holocaust denier, and pretend the gay holocaust never happened because it cant be used to push your repulsive political agenda.
Wrong. And wrong.
What a compelling arguement!

Saying that Iran wants to wipe out Israel (which it does, and you'd be a moron to disagree) doesn't equal Islamophobia. You fail, as per usual.

Oh, look, NM's little cheerleader as appeared to save the day!

Saying that Iran wants to wipe out Israel (which it does, and you'd be a moron to disagree) doesn't equal Islamophobia. You fail, as per usual.

"Islamophobia" is another one of those pseudo-scientific accusations leveled by lefties in their unending campaign to silence those who don't slavishly (or dhimmi-ly as the case may be) regurgitate the party line. Much like "homophobia". Except it doesn't work on me.

"Islamophobia" is another one of those pseudo-scientific accusations leveled by lefties in their unending campaign to silence those who don't slavishly (or dhimmi-ly as the case may be) regurgitate the party line. Much like "homophobia". Except it doesn't work on me.

I believe you to be bigoted against Muslims and homosexuals. Correct me if I am wrong.

"A bigot is a person who is intolerant of or takes offense to the opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding attitude or mindset."

-Wikipedia

"Islamophobia" is another one of those pseudo-scientific accusations leveled by lefties in their unending campaign to silence those who don't slavishly (or dhimmi-ly as the case may be) regurgitate the party line. Much like "homophobia". Except it doesn't work on me.

Kinda like "Americaphobia" eh?


Youre a riot.

Eventually I may begin another thread debunking the so-called "gay holocaust." For the time being, I will note the following:

*snip*

Sorry but you probably should read this if you think homosexuals had it easy.


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Homosexuals_and_the_Third_Reich.html

Eventually I may begin another thread debunking the so-called "gay holocaust." For the time being, I will note the following:

1) about 85% of all Jews in Germany and German-occupied territories were rounded up. That's six million. About 1% of homosexuals in the same area were arrested.

Source?

2) Jews were targeted for extermination. Homosexuals were arrested for criminal violations (e.g., Paragraph 175 of the German Penal Code).

Ah, okay. The homosexuals weren't being discriminated, the Nazis were legitimately arresting them!

3) Jews were virtually never released from extermination camps. Homosexuals could be released from prison by renouncing homosexual behavior. To quote a survivor with direct knowledge of the subject:

"All they [those accused of being homosexual] had to do to get out [of the camp] was to sign a paper to say that they had been rehabilitated and wouldn’t do it [engage in homosexual activity] anymore . . . .They were allowed to go back to their families. [sic: "]They were not targeted to die. Not like we were."

Stephan Ross, Holocaust survivor, as quoted in The Massachusetts News, April 5, 2000 (emphasis added).

http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/2000/4_April/aprhol.htm

See the earlier post on the Pink Triangle.

4) the punishment for hiding Jews was death. There was no such punishment for hiding homosexuals.

Therefore there was no gay holocaust! Fantastic!

Saying one group was more discriminated against than another =/= the other isn't discriminated against at all.



You, sir, are a liar. And if you had the balls to say that to my face, you would now be looking for your teeth.

Ooh, a threat of violence against another poster? Good stuff.

Kinda like "Americaphobia" eh?


Youre a riot.

Don't you mean "usianphobia"

*runs*

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Homosexuals_and_the_Third_Reich.html

NM's sources, when compared to the sources presented by the opposing side, are the equivalent to the neo-fascist who throws out holocaust denial articles and claims that he wins.

Saying that Iran wants to wipe out Israel (which it does, and you'd be a moron to disagree) doesn't equal Islamophobia. You fail, as per usual.

Yep, you should trust him on that, as he is one.

Wow guys... from remembering the fallen on the Holocaust, this thread has turned into a pile of crap. Trust NSG to do this sort of thing.

Trust NSG to do this sort of thing.

Beat ya to it - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14722782&postcount=65

NM's sources, when compared to the sources presented by the opposing side, are the equivalent to the neo-fascist who throws out holocaust denial articles and claims that he wins.

I never understood this stance that homosexuals had it better then the Jews.

Hitler hated them. Even in the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, I remember Shirer describing Hitler's rage and outright fury after discovering a few people were gay when they were rounding them up for a "crimes"

Wow guys... from remembering the fallen on the Holocaust, this thread has turned into a pile of crap. Trust NSG to do this sort of thing.

Only on NSG could a thread about holocaust remembrance incorporate holocaust denial by the same poster. I despair sometimes, I really do.

Wow guys... from remembering the fallen on the Holocaust, this thread has turned into a pile of crap.
This thread was nothing but a pile of crap to begin with.
Trust NSG to do this sort of thing.
What? Respond with rightous outrage when the holocaust is used for political gain, and then other victims of the holocaust are denied or minimized because it doesnt fit the OP's despicable agenda? How is that a bad thing?

Eventually I may begin another thread debunking the so-called "gay holocaust." For the time being, I will note the following:

1) about 85% of all Jews in Germany and German-occupied territories were rounded up. That's six million. About 1% of homosexuals in the same area were arrested.

Firstly, thats not in your source. Secondly, even if it happens to be true, that doesn't change the fact that homosexuals, when found, were sent to camps and tortured and killed. And yet you think acknowledging them as victims of the holocaust is insulting to the Jews.


2) Jews were targeted for extermination. Homosexuals were arrested for criminal violations (e.g., Paragraph 175 of the German Penal Code).

Yes, and the law you were charged under in Nazi Germany meant so much for how prisoners were treated. What with their respect for the rule of law, proportionate sentences and all that :rolleyes:


3) Jews were virtually never released from extermination camps. Homosexuals could be released from prison by renouncing homosexual behavior. To quote a survivor with direct knowledge of the subject:

"All they [those accused of being homosexual] had to do to get out [of the camp] was to sign a paper to say that they had been rehabilitated and wouldn’t do it [engage in homosexual activity] anymore . . . .They were allowed to go back to their families. [sic: "]They were not targeted to die. Not like we were."

Well, isn't it odd such a large proportion of those in the camps died and were treated just as inhumanely as the Jews, when they could have signed a piece of paper and got out. Its good to see your only source is one man, who quite possibly has an agenda like you, in the face of academic writings and more respectable Jewish sources showing how badly the homosexuals were treated. But your one guy quoted in a newspaper is blatantly more credible :rolleyes:

4) the punishment for hiding Jews was death. There was no such punishment for hiding homosexuals.

Given guilt by association and, again, the freedom for the enforcers of the law to completely ignore it, the punishment for hiding homosexuals would of course more likely be being accused of being one yourself, and being sent to a camp, bearing in mind a lot of the imprisoned 'homosexuals' weren't actually gay, but had just been denounced as such.

In short, revisionist nonsense, backed up with almost nothing. You never fail to disappoint.

Beat ya to it - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14722782&postcount=65

You, sir, need to be eliminated. You're always ahead of me.:fluffle:

Wow guys... from remembering the fallen on the Holocaust, this thread has turned into a pile of crap. Trust NSG to do this sort of thing.

It was never really about the Holocaust; still, I take some blame for posting something slightly aggressive on the first page.

This thread was nothing but a pile of crap to begin with.

What? Respond with rightous outrage when the holocaust is used for political gain, and then other victims of the holocaust are denied or minimized because it doesnt fit the OP's despicable agenda? How is that a bad thing?

Outrage I can understand. But you all know New Mitanni. Who can keep up with that much crap? He's a denier, there's no way one can talk sense into such a thick skull. So, forget it.

This thread was about remembering the Holocaust victims. It surely turned out to be about something entirely different. /sigh

It was never really about the Holocaust; still, I take some blame for posting something slightly aggressive on the first page.

No, dont feel guilty. There is nothing wrong with expressing anger when someone hides behind the holocaust to push their bigoted agenda, when someone pretends they care about human suffering while all the while just itching for a chance to have a gay/muslim Krystalnacht of their own.

Outrage I can understand. But you all know New Mitanni. Who can keep up with that much crap? He's a denier, there's no way one can talk sense into such a thick skull. So, forget it.

This thread was about remembering the Holocaust victims. It surely turned out to be about something entirely different. /sigh

Im not going to just ignore such blatant vileness when I see it. If someone wants to get the mods to close this down and reopen one, I promise itll take a different tone.

Outrage I can understand. But you all know New Mitanni. Who can keep up with that much crap? He's a denier, there's no way one can talk sense into such a thick skull. So, forget it.

This thread was about remembering the Holocaust victims. It surely turned out to be about something entirely different. /sigh

I doubt that was ever the purpose.

Outrage I can understand. But you all know New Mitanni. Who can keep up with that much crap? He's a denier, there's no way one can talk sense into such a thick skull. So, forget it.

This thread was about remembering the Holocaust victims. It surely turned out to be about something entirely different. /sigh

If I were to pop on my "overly optimistic" hat for a moment, I'd say that the thread at least shows that some of us are willing to call out bigotry as bigotry, even when it's draped in something we respect.

To be fair, many scholars and historians use the word 'holocaust' to refer specifically to the crimes against the Jews, not that the crimes against other people weren't also horrific and severe. It is not accepted fact by any means that the holocaust refers to all the severe crimes committed by the Nazis, considering the history and etymology of the word, what it does refer to is up to debate (http://isurvived.org/Frameset4References-3/-Holocaust-YadVashem.html).

Im not going to just ignore such blatant vileness when I see it. If someone wants to get the mods to close this down and reopen one, I promise itll take a different tone.

KoL, I am not telling you that you need to stop. Not at all. But I see no point in arguing with NM. It's a waste of time and effort.

"Islamophobia" is another one of those pseudo-scientific accusations leveled by lefties in their unending campaign to silence those who don't slavishly (or dhimmi-ly as the case may be) regurgitate the party line. Much like "homophobia".

or "anti-Semitism."

Except it doesn't work on me.

It "works" in the sense of describing you to a T.

Your hatred of Muslims is no better, no different, and just as vile and loathesome as Nazi hatred of Jews.

It doesn't work to "silence" you, and it's not meant to. You're free to rant in lunatic paranoia, spew bigoted vitriol, and in general make a complete moron of yourself. That's your right. It's our protected, free speech right - you are free to be as wrong as you want, and I am free to point out how wrong you are, and you're free to ignore it when I do and then helpfully prove my point.


Nanatsu, this thread was never about remembering the fallen in the Holocaust: New Mitanni has in fact deliberately forgotten and dismissed and denied Holocaust victims, solely because he himself hates them and sympathizes with the Nazi hatred and bigotry. In fact, it's yet another thread in which he's arguing for war, spewing hatred against homosexuals and Muslims. That's not Holocaust Remembrance. Period. If anything that's complicity after the fact. Clean up that Nazi image a bit, polish off the anti-Semitism, and lurch onward with the homophobia and Islamophobia.

Now you can pretend this is a ham sandwich just because NM says so, if you want, but it's a 100% shit sandwich and not only do I refuse to eat it, but I'm gonna call it for what it is.

Wow guys... from remembering the fallen on the Holocaust, this thread has turned into a pile of crap. Trust NSG to do this sort of thing.

Trust NSG to fuck something like this up.

agreed with both of you.

while the act of homosexuality is something that I don't agree with, the treatment of the Homosexuals during that time is something that should also be regretted. reguardless of their race, religion or lifestyle, those people were human.

It doesn't matter if they were treated better, worse or the same as the Jews, they were singled out, rounded up and put into camps that we wouldn't send our hardened criminals today. let's cut the quibbling and remember the loss of life and the methods used to take those lives. Let us remember that the depths humanity (reguardless of nationality) can go to as well as the heroes that strove to shut those camps down.

If I were to pop on my "overly optimistic" hat for a moment, I'd say that the thread at least shows that some of us are willing to call out bigotry as bigotry, even when it's draped in something we respect.

Really, the anger shown by many of us by the blatant...fuck I dont even know what to call it...of the OP is a bigger show of respect for the victims of the Holocaust then NM's disgusting little facade of respect.

We're the ones who really believe the 'never again' mantra. And it shows.

And it might have had gorgeous decoration.

The Zyklon-B would have been potpourri-scented too.

Nanatsu, this thread was never about remembering the fallen in the Holocaust: New Mitanni has in fact deliberately forgotten and dismissed and denied Holocaust victims, solely because he himself hates them and sympathizes with the Nazi hatred and bigotry. In fact, it's yet another thread in which he's arguing for war, spewing hatred against homosexuals and Muslims. That's not Holocaust Remembrance. Period. If anything that's complicity after the fact. Clean up that Nazi image a bit, polish off the anti-Semitism, and lurch onward with the homophobia and Islamophobia.

Now you can pretend this is a ham sandwich just because NM says so, if you want, but it's a 100% shit sandwich and not only do I refuse to eat it, but I'm gonna call it for what it is.

Trostia, I know. NM always does this, one way or another. A shit sandwich it is, I agree. It's just that, as I told Trve, it seems so pointless. But do carry on. You always make me laugh when you tackle Mitanni's posts.

Outrage I can understand. But you all know New Mitanni. Who can keep up with that much crap? He's a denier, there's no way one can talk sense into such a thick skull. So, forget it.

This thread was about remembering the Holocaust victims. It surely turned out to be about something entirely different. /sigh

This thread was never about the Holocaust victims. From the OP, NM tried to use the Holocaust for his own purposes to further a childish "ZOMG NUKE IRAN" argument. When questioned further, he then reveals he doesn't want us to commemorate the deaths of those from groups he doesn't like who died in the Holocaust. Anyone who says that will be critcized and the thread will be an argument rather than consensus, and that is quite right as his use of the Holocaust to further his own agenda is nothing but insulting to the victims. He's a troll.

Im not going to just ignore such blatant vileness when I see it. If someone wants to get the mods to close this down and reopen one, I promise itll take a different tone.

Sure, much of what NM says is unsettling. But you really don't help with your very extreme hyperbolic extrapolations that NM wants to wipe out all Muslims just because he wants to push for more aggressive action against Iran (that he didn't even say specifically in this thread), or that he wants to kill all homosexuals just because he denies the severity of the treatment they received under the Nazis. If there is justification for such claims, the only justification for the claims would be from other threads, not in this thread, so it's off topic and is bating NM, which will just make things worse.

Really, the anger shown by many of us by the blatant...fuck I dont even know what to call it...of the OP is a bigger show of respect for the victims of the Holocaust then NM's disgusting little facade of respect.

We're the ones who really believe the 'never again' mantra. And it shows.

Still makes me wonder if we've really moved on all that much. All it takes is the right set of circumstances for guys like NM to get a receptive audience for their bile.

Sure, much of what NM says is unsettling. But you really don't help with your very extreme hyperbolic extrapolations that NM wants to wipe out all Muslims just because he wants to push for more aggressive action against Iran (that he didn't even say specifically in this thread), or that he wants to kill all homosexuals just because he denies the severity of the treatment they received under the Nazis. If there is justification for such claims, the only justification for the claims would be from other threads, not in this thread, so it's off topic and is bating NM, which will just make things worse.

No, because our posts dont exist in a vacum. We can remember what we read.

If there is justification for such claims, the only justification for the claims would be from other threads, not in this thread, so it's off topic and is bating NM, which will just make things worse.

Which already happened.

No, dont feel guilty. There is nothing wrong with expressing anger when someone hides behind the holocaust to push their bigoted agenda, when someone pretends they care about human suffering while all the while just itching for a chance to have a gay/muslim Krystalnacht of their own.

I just felt like putting all the cards on the table; it was obviously going to turn into an thread about nuking Iran, and I decided to preemptively expose the hypocrisy of that way of thinking.

I should not become angry so much, but the Holocaust just feels off-limits to me. It is not something that should be used to justify murder. As stupid as it seems, if NM just made an honest thread about bombing the Middle East, he probably would have gotten a more mellow reaction out of me.

This thread seems to have dissolved into a way to slag off NM rather than to show respect to those who died.

Leave it to you to take a shit all over the Holocaust, even when you pretend otherwise.

You don't know what "never again" means, and you're a fucking cowardly hypocrite hiding your psychopathic pro-genocide, pro-war beliefs behind Holocaust Remembrance. Even while you're pretending to believe in "never again" you are championing war, and you have supported the most de-humanizing language towards Muslims, liberals, homosexuals.

Never again means never again, for Muslims, Jews, anyone. No genocide. But you happily bang the drum of war and are even using this pretend-remembrence of yours as an excuse. Nuke Iran, amirite? Bomb it? That's what you want, right?

Just because your copy of Der Sturmer goes on about Muslim "barbarians" or homosexual "deviants" doesn't make you any less of a nazi. You'd happily let it happen "again," only with Muslims in the cattle cars.

Because you hate Muslims just as fervently, just as devoutly, just as irrationally as the Nazis hated Jews, you dirty the memory of all who died in the Holocaust, even while you pretend to give a shit.

People like me - you know, Jews, the people whose fear of genocide you are actually trying to use as an excuse to commit more genocide - know who to watch out for. And that's people like you. Beacuse given the least opportunity, you'll be goose-stepping and denouncing your neighbors and breaking glass with the rest of them.

So you can take your faux-remembrance, faux-compassion and shove it right up your faux-hetero ass.

Maith an fear.

This thread seems to have dissolved into a way to slag off NM rather than to show respect to those who died.

It seems this may have been New Mitanni's intention all along.

This thread seems to have dissolved into a way to slag off NM rather than to show respect to those who died.

Well, if you read the OP you'd see why.

Maith an fear.

Something about man....

It seems this may have been New Mitanni's intention all along.

He likes people slagging him off?

He likes people slagging him off?

Get thee back to the OP, lad.

This thread seems to have dissolved into a way to slag off NM rather than to show respect to those who died.

Such is the way of NSG, though. This is a debate forum, and people come here looking for it. If we had a legitimate thread for the respect of Holocaust Remembrance Day, then it would eventually vanish into the ether because all the contributions would be little more than "+1" posts. Or a troll would hijack it into the kind of debate we're having now.

Honestly, I was considering asking the Mods if it would be acceptable if we started a new thread without the argument, but I don't see how it would last.

Well, if you read the OP you'd see why.

I have, and I'm not saying it's not deserved.

This thread seems to have dissolved into a way to slag off NM rather than to show respect to those who died.

But it was never about showing respect, it was about a political agenda.

I madez a new thread.

no, NM chose to deny SOME of the holocaust victims.

Right, so that's only somewhat being a Holocaust Denier? It's only somewhat ignoring, forgetting and dismissing the horror and cruelty of the Holocaust?

I think denying even ONE Holocaust victim is just as loathsome as denying every last one.

or you can use other methods to show that the Ham Sandwich NM is trying to sell is actually a club sandwich that incorporates more than just Ham.

Now why would I want to lie? Look, just because he titled this thread 'Holocaust Remembrance Day' doesn't mean his very first post wasn't about his political belief that war must be waged against Iran, or that his subsequent posts haven't been the very examples of his multifaceted bigotry that I was referring to.

I'm all for remembering the Holocaust, and I can't help but remember it every time I see New Mitanni discuss his "political" views about the minorities he despises and fears.

Such is the way of NSG, though. This is a debate forum, and people come here looking for it. If we had a legitimate thread for the respect of Holocaust Remembrance Day, then it would eventually vanish into the ether because all the contributions would be little more than "+1" posts. Or a troll would hijack it into the kind of debate we're having now.

Honestly, I was considering asking the Mods if it would be acceptable if we started a new thread without the argument, but I don't see how it would last.

Most of what is happening is not debate. When people come into a forum and say "you're a fucking hypocritical coward" and accuse him of wanting to nuke Iran and kill all homosexuals etc..., that is not legitimate extrapolations from the OP, that's bringing up prior disputes and conflicts, and using this thread as an excuse to attack him for things he has said in the past. It's off topic.

Most of what is happening is not debate. When people come into a forum and say "you're a fucking hypocritical coward" and accuse him of wanting to nuke Iran and kill all homosexuals etc..., that is not legitimate extrapolations from the OP, that's bringing up prior disputes and conflicts, and using this thread as an excuse to attack him for things he has said in the past. It's off topic.

What about attacking him for denying that gays were killed? I brought that up in relation to the OP and he denyed it.

Most of what is happening is not debate. When people come into a forum and say "you're a fucking hypocritical coward" and accuse him of wanting to nuke Iran and kill all homosexuals etc..., that is not legitimate extrapolations from the OP, that's bringing up prior disputes and conflicts, and using this thread as an excuse to attack him for things he has said in the past. It's off topic.

I'll concede that point. I was mostly talking about the responses to NM's "The homosexual holocaust is a myth" revelation.

But even then, this is NSG. Dragging in past conflicts to spark arguments is the second most popular pastime, after excessive fluffling.

Oh, look, NM's little cheerleader as appeared to save the day!

Ha. Ha. Ha. You're sooooo funny. I'm merely saying that holding the belief that Iran's government wants to wipe Israel from the face of the Earth does not make you Islamophobic.

Ha. Ha. Ha. You're sooooo funny. I'm merely saying that holding the belief that Iran's government wants to wipe Israel from the face of the Earth does not make you Islamophobic.

Do you believe that? Cos you're an Islamophobe.

What about attacking him for denying that gays were killed? I brought that up in relation to the OP and he denyed it.

Hence the 'most' instead of 'all'.

Do you believe that? Cos you're an Islamophobe.

Oh boy... here we go again in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...

I have, and I'm not saying it's not deserved.

It is the fellow's history. If he were new, we probably would not have pounded him so hard, but during his time here has repeatedly given indications of bigotry against Muslims, and has advised near-genocidal action in the Middle East.

I'll concede that point. I was mostly talking about the responses to NM's "The homosexual holocaust is a myth" revelation.

But even then, this is NSG. Dragging in past conflicts to spark arguments is the second most popular pastime, after excessive fluffling.

:fluffle::fluffle:

New Mitanni really can't help making 'off topic' posts regarding his hatred of Muslims and gays 'on topic,' because the hatred just oozes out of him in a way he seems almost helpless to stop. Almost.

Anyway, I'll stop now, I said what I needed to say already and the rest is just indulgent outrage.

Oh boy... here we go again in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...

*ding*

*pulls out a bag of popcorn and grabs a seat.*

Want some?

Anyway, I'll stop now, I said what I needed to say already and the rest is just indulgent outrage.

Im going to second this comment and withdraw myself as well. I have another thread up if anyone wants to really pay respects via NSG:p

Do you believe that? Cos you're an Islamophobe.

Of course I believe it, that's why I said it. I'd have thought that would be fairly obvious.

*ding*

*pulls out a bag of popcorn and grabs a seat.*

Want some?

Nope, thanks JuNii-kun. I feel doom approaching. Off from this thread I goes. Ja ne!:)

Of course I believe it, that's why I said it. I'd have thought that would be fairly obvious.

You took your time.

So you admit there's a correlation?

Nope, thanks JuNii-kun. I feel doom approaching. Off from this thread I goes. Ja ne!:)

Why does everyone leave as soon as I turn up? :(

Why does everyone leave as soon as I turn up? :(

Cos you're unloved.

You took your time.

So you admit there's a correlation?

Well, probably, but you do not have to be an Islamophobe to believe that a mad dinner jacket wants to destroy Israel. He's said it himself.

Well, probably, but you do not have to be an Islamophobe to believe that a mad dinner jacket wants to destroy Israel. He's said it himself.

Empty threats, the man is pathetic. I'm an Islamophobe and I don't believe it will happen.l

I support the Holocaust Remembrance Day, but not Israel.

I support the Holocaust Remembrance Day, but not Israel.

Why not?

Empty threats, the man is pathetic. I'm an Islamophobe and I don't believe it will happen.l

Neither do I. But I do believe he'd like it to happen.

Neither do I. But I do believe he'd like it to happen.

Bu it never will. Don't be so scared of people thousends of miles away.

Neither do I. But I do believe he'd like it to happen.

Of course he'd like it to happen. He has publicly expressed his disdain for Israel, but considering how often he actually does what he claims he will do, Israel doesn't have too much to worry about right now.

Of course he'd like it to happen. He has publicly expressed his disdain for Israel, but considering how often he actually does what he claims he will do, Israel doesn't have too much to worry about right now.

Considering that Israel is far more powerful than them and have the west's support.

Seeing how there is another Holocaust thread, and it doesn't have a clear agenda, I've decided to give this one a dignified death.

You, sir, are a liar. And if you had the balls to say that to my face, you would now be looking for your teeth.

Of all the vitriol in this thread, I find this one sticking out the most. There is nothing wrong with passionately defending your beliefs, or even holding controversial beliefs, but I find this bit disturbing. Threatening another poster is never good practice. If this was a different poster, I might just give one day, but New Mitanni has shown he is unrepentant, so I'm upping the ante to three days.