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it was an account, not too unreasonably inaccurate, of the work of Irena Sendler in the Warsaw Ghetto during WWII. She has, as a result of that work, been called a female version of Oskar Schindler and has been given the Jewish title of Righteous Gentile. She was, I understand, also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize - she lost to Al Gore.

So, who deserved the Prize more, Irena Sendler or Al Gore? She risked her life, her health, her freedom to save more than 2500 Jewish children from the Nazis. Al Gore made a movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVw1PANUcdg

Her, of course.

Her, hands down.

Honestly, this is a bit of an unfair comparison. It's like asking "Who deserves the Nobel more? Albert Einstein or P. T. Barnum?"

Her, hands down.

Honestly, this is a bit of an unfair comparison. It's like asking "Who deserves the Nobel more? Albert Einstein or P. T. Barnum?"

Well P. T. Barnum did entertain the masses...

it was an account, not too unreasonably inaccurate, of the work of Irena Sendler in the Warsaw Ghetto during WWII. She has, as a result of that work, been called a female version of Oskar Schindler and has been given the Jewish title of Righteous Gentile. She was, I understand, also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize - she lost to Al Gore.

So, who deserved the Prize more, Irena Sendler or Al Gore? She risked her life, her health, her freedom to save more than 2500 Jewish children from the Nazis. Al Gore made a movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVw1PANUcdg

Two points:

First, while I'm not saying she wasn't the more worthy candidate, I despise the way you appear to derisively dismiss Al Gore by basically saying "oh, he just made a movie." Not only because its a simplistic dismissal of the man's long career both as a public servant and as an advocate on the global warming issue, but because it suggests that making a film is inherently an insignificant or common achievement of no great worth. Needless to say, as a film student, the implication pisses me off. Certainly, a film can be cheap, utter trash. But it can also inform, move, and inspire millions of people.

That said, its not generally as dangerous as rescuing jews from the Nazis was, and if the level of personal risk/adversity decides who gets the prize, Irena Sendler is the more worthy candidate.

Second, I may be mistaken since this was a while ago, but wasn't Al Gore one member of a group of people who recieved the Nobel Prize? And wasn't it technically for something other than the film (I really don't recall)?

Two points:

First, while I'm not saying she wasn't the more worthy candidate, I despise the way you appear to derisively dismiss Al Gore by basically saying "oh, he just made a movie." Not only because its a simplistic dismissal of the man's long career both as a public servant and as an advocate on the global warming issue, but because it suggests that making a film is inherently an insignificant or common achievement of no great worth. Needless to say, as a film student, the implication pisses me off. Certainly, a film can be cheap, utter trash. But it can also inform, move, and inspire millions of people.

That said, its not generally as dangerous as rescuing jews from the Nazis was, and if the level of personal risk/adversity decides who gets the prize, Irena Sendler is the more worthy candidate.

Second, I may be mistaken since this was a while ago, but wasn't Al Gore one member of a group of people who recieved the Nobel Prize? And wasn't it technically for something other than the film (I really don't recall)?


Doesn't change the fact that he married Tipper Gore... that dumb bitch.

Well P. T. Barnum did entertain the masses...

I wasn't entertained at all by Al Gore. The only time he's been entertaining is when they made fun of him on SNL.

Something else to keep in mind, the Nobel Committee gave a Peace Prize to Yasser Arafat, so they've cleary got their heads lodged in their nether regions. You look at it that way, her being passed over is kind of a backhanded endorsement.

Its an Annoying Truth that Al Gore was much more deserving than her...

From wiki, because it was the fastest place to get the relevant info:

"Unlike the scientific and literary Nobel Prizes, usually issued in retrospect, often two or three decades after the awarded achievement, the Peace Prize has been awarded for more recent or immediate achievements taking the form of summary judgment being issued in the same year as or the year immediately following the political act."

Unless the Holocaust actually happened in 2006, I don't think anyone judged her less deserving of praise and admiration. I think they just judged her less befitting of an award given for things that have been done in the past year or two.

I wasn't entertained at all by Al Gore. The only time he's been entertaining is when they made fun of him on SNL.

Something else to keep in mind, the Nobel Committee gave a Peace Prize to Yasser Arafat, so they've cleary got their heads lodged in their nether regions. You look at it that way, her being passed over is kind of a backhanded endorsement.

Not to mention F.W. de Klerk (his government tacitly supported death squads against ANC members and instigated violence between the IFP and ANC), Henry Kissinger, Le Duc Tho, Woodrow Wilson, Theodore Roosevelt, and other mass murderers.

I wasn't entertained at all by Al Gore. The only time he's been entertaining is when they made fun of him on SNL.

I thought P. T. Barnum was the reference to Irena Sendler not Al Gore.

Unless the Holocaust actually happened in 2006,

My God! :eek:, under our noses, this whole time.......

Not to mention F.W. de Klerk (his government tacitly supported death squads against ANC members and instigated violence between the IFP and ANC), Henry Kissinger, Le Duc Tho, Woodrow Wilson, Theodore Roosevelt, and other mass murderers.

Wow, I guess that's me told, then. Or it would be anyways, except that all you've done is...wait for it...strengthen my point.

Wow, I guess that's me told, then. Or it would be anyways, except that all you've done is...wait for it...strengthen my point.

Dude, I was agreeing with you.

Wow, I guess that's me told, then. Or it would be anyways, except that all you've done is...wait for it...strengthen my point.

I have to say, I dont think he was arguing with you, :p

Its an Annoying Truth that Al Gore was much more deserving than her...

How so?

Also, I think Irena Sendler deserved it more.

From wiki, because it was the fastest place to get the relevant info:

"Unlike the scientific and literary Nobel Prizes, usually issued in retrospect, often two or three decades after the awarded achievement, the Peace Prize has been awarded for more recent or immediate achievements taking the form of summary judgment being issued in the same year as or the year immediately following the political act."

Unless the Holocaust actually happened in 2006, I don't think anyone judged her less deserving of praise and admiration. I think they just judged her less befitting of an award given for things that have been done in the past year or two.

Of course, the fact that the government of Poland effectively hid her accomplishments because, while she was anti-Nazi, she was also anti-Communist. Her accomplishments really didn't receive world-wide recognition until well after the fact. Also, I don't see in your quote that it's a rule that the non-scientific, non-literary prizes must be awarded in the current or current less one year, only that it has.

Its an Annoying Truth that Al Gore was much more deserving than her...

The annoying truth is that Al Gore was awarded the prize because it was politically expedient. While much of his work may be interesting and thought provoking, it forwards solid hypotheses that should be further explored and not wholly proven fact - he's politician, and not a scientist or a writer and should not be treated as either. And, as politicians go, I wish he would.

How so?

Also, I think Irena Sendler deserved it more.

By the rules of punnery, :p

I don't think she's even eligible for the Nobel Prize for Peace anymore.

I don't think she's even eligible for the Nobel Prize for Peace anymore.

The real question is, while Gore's movie may have brought some points to light, how did it contribute in the slightest to world peace, or peace in general?

The real question is, while Gore's movie may have brought some points to light, how did it contribute in the slightest to world peace, or peace in general?

It didn't, they just felt bad because he never managed to get elected president of the US.

It didn't, they just felt bad because he never managed to get elected president of the US.

Yeah he did...It just got awarded to the shrub, :(

it was an account, not too unreasonably inaccurate, of the work of Irena Sendler in the Warsaw Ghetto during WWII. She has, as a result of that work, been called a female version of Oskar Schindler and has been given the Jewish title of Righteous Gentile. She was, I understand, also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize - she lost to Al Gore.

So, who deserved the Prize more, Irena Sendler or Al Gore? She risked her life, her health, her freedom to save more than 2500 Jewish children from the Nazis. Al Gore made a movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVw1PANUcdg

I watched it too. With my dad, a WWII vet.

The answer is, Irena Sendler. Al Gore isn't worthy to have his name mentioned on the same page as Irena Sendler. The Nobel committee dishonored itself by not honoring her.

I wasn't entertained at all by Al Gore. The only time he's been entertaining is when they made fun of him on SNL.

Something else to keep in mind, the Nobel Committee gave a Peace Prize to Yasser Arafat, so they've cleary got their heads lodged in their nether regions. You look at it that way, her being passed over is kind of a backhanded endorsement.

You have a good point...

I thought P. T. Barnum was the reference to Irena Sendler not Al Gore.

Nope. A reference to Al Gore. Honestly, I really can't think of anything he did that's deserving of a Nobel any more than I can think of things I did that are. People do good things, but that's not what the Nobel is for. The Nobel is for people who managed to help make the world a better place. Which, ultimately, the items Gore got the award for never will.

It didn't, they just felt bad because he never managed to get elected president of the US.

But he brought us the truth about manbearpig!

http://media.southparkstudios.com/media/images/1111/1111_manbearpig_and_kyle_no_red.jpg

Yeah he did...It just got awarded to the shrub, :(

Er, no, he didn't. Even the New York Democrat Times has acknowledged that President Bush won in Florida. So you can stop beating that dead horse any time now.

But to your point, if the Nobel committee actually was so motivated to give the Prize to Gore, then it dishonored itself even more for that reason.

Nope. A reference to Al Gore.

Goddamnit....*




*note to self, attempt more obvious sarcasm in the future.

Er, no, he didn't. Even the New York Democrat Times has acknowledged that President Bush won in Florida. So you can stop beating that dead horse any time now.

But to your point, if the Nobel committee actually was so motivated to give the Prize to Gore, then it dishonored itself even more for that reason.

Ill stop beating the dead horse of the Shrub's lack of popular vote, when you stop calling President Obama a Power-grabbing Dark Lord...

Ill stop beating the dead horse of the Shrub's lack of popular vote, when you stop calling President Obama a Power-grabbing Dark Lord...

Didn't Bush win a majority of votes in the Electoral College, though?

Edit: I'm not taking sides, just verifying.

Didn't Bush win a majority of votes in the Electoral College, though?

Edit: I'm not taking sides, just verifying.

Supposedly, there were alot of problems...

Doesnt mean I cant bitch about both my hatred of the Electoral College system, as well as the fact that the man with the most votes didnt get the Presidency...

...and has been given the Jewish title of Righteous Gentile.

The title of Righteous Gentile would be enough for me, providing protection when the coming New Jewish Order completes its revolution.

"There goes one Righteous Gentile" they'll say as I wander happily by the enormous death and destruction, they'll know because I'll have it printed on my t-shirt.

Supposedly, there were alot of problems...

Doesnt mean I cant bitch about both my hatred of the Electoral College system, as well as the fact that the man with the most votes didnt get the Presidency...

Bitch away. I was just wondering if he received a majority of the EC votes.

Goddamnit....*




*note to self, attempt more obvious sarcasm in the future.

Hey, it's not my fault that she was infinitely more entertaining and capable of making people laugh than Gore is. I mean, hell, compared to Gore, she's the living goddess of laughter.

Didn't Bush win a majority of votes in the Electoral College, though?

Edit: I'm not taking sides, just verifying.

Yep. Which is what American Presidential elections are really about. The populace doesn't actually matter that much.

Bitch away. I was just wondering if he received a majority of the EC votes.

We'll likely never know, the votes of several counties were messed up, and alot werent even counted because they couldnt punch through the card...they made a movie about it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recount_(film)

Although its like the 300 version of it, if you know what I mean, still pretty entertaining though...

Dude, I was agreeing with you.

Curses! Betrayed once again by the emotionless and inflectionless nature of text-based communication!
(If there is one thing I regret about my life, it's the lack of opportunity to talk like a melodrama villian)

Sorry, my mistake.

Curses! Betrayed once again by the emotionless and inflectionless nature of text-based communication!
(If there is one thing I regret about my life, it's the lack of opportunity to talk like a melodrama villian)

lol :p

Sorry, my mistake.

No worries, my good man.

it was an account, not too unreasonably inaccurate, of the work of Irena Sendler in the Warsaw Ghetto during WWII. She has, as a result of that work, been called a female version of Oskar Schindler and has been given the Jewish title of Righteous Gentile. She was, I understand, also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize - she lost to Al Gore.

So, who deserved the Prize more, Irena Sendler or Al Gore? She risked her life, her health, her freedom to save more than 2500 Jewish children from the Nazis. Al Gore made a movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVw1PANUcdg

Are you kidding me? She can't possibly compete against the inventer of the internet! :wink:

The real question is, while Gore's movie may have brought some points to light, how did it contribute in the slightest to world peace, or peace in general?

Um, you could say the same thing about Irena Sendler. Certainly saving thousands of children is a wonderful thing to do, but I'm not sure how it contributes to world peace either.

Both have a rather flimsy case in my opinion. Given that the Nobel Peace Prize is the silliest of all the Nobel Prizes due to the questionable nature of its recipients I don't think this is something which people should get too hung up about.

Not to mention F.W. de Klerk (his government tacitly supported death squads against ANC members and instigated violence between the IFP and ANC), Henry Kissinger, Le Duc Tho, Woodrow Wilson, Theodore Roosevelt, and other mass murderers.

Did I just fall asleep in that part of history class where Woodrow Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt are mass murders?

Did I just fall asleep in that part of history class where Woodrow Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt are mass murders?

You must have, I thought that the American Genocide was pretty common knowledge. :wink:

Did I just fall asleep in that part of history class where Woodrow Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt are mass murders?

Woodrow Wilson conspired to get the U.S. into World War I. Teddy killed a LOT of Filipinos.

Well, Al Gore got the award for a film that was factually inaccurate anyway, but even if it was 100% correct, still her.

Woodrow Wilson conspired to get the U.S. into World War I. Teddy killed a LOT of Filipinos.

I don't know if that really quantifies them as 'mass murderers' and I think 'conspired' might be a touch dramatic. I also think you can't really say that Teddy killed a lot of Filipinos. I suppose he could be regarded as ultimately responsible for the deaths, in the same way you could say Eisenhower killed a lot of Germans, but there are more accurate ways of communicating that thought.

Also, as a side note, the US's actions in the Phillipines go a long way to showing that history runs in cycles, in both the 'Divisive War' and 'Trouble with Muslims' categories.

Although its like the 300 version of it, if you know what I mean, still pretty entertaining though...

There's giants with crab claws for arms? Bush walks around wearing only underpants and a cape? Democrats and Republicans battle it out on a clifftop? Sounds like my kind of film.

*sighs* http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/sendler.asp

From wiki, because it was the fastest place to get the relevant info:

"Unlike the scientific and literary Nobel Prizes, usually issued in retrospect, often two or three decades after the awarded achievement, the Peace Prize has been awarded for more recent or immediate achievements taking the form of summary judgment being issued in the same year as or the year immediately following the political act."

Unless the Holocaust actually happened in 2006, I don't think anyone judged her less deserving of praise and admiration. I think they just judged her less befitting of an award given for things that have been done in the past year or two.
this.

its not a matter of who deserved it more. she deserved it more than many who have received it.

i liked that they showed the actual woman at the end. her speech brought tears to my eyes.

Yeah he did...It just got awarded to the shrub, :(
Wrong
Er, no, he didn't. Even the New York Democrat Times has acknowledged that President Bush won in Florida. So you can stop beating that dead horse any time now.
I hate to agree with NM, but...
Ill stop beating the dead horse of the Shrub's lack of popular vote, when you stop calling President Obama a Power-grabbing Dark Lord...
So never?
Didn't Bush win a majority of votes in the Electoral College, though?
Yes

Doesnt mean I cant bitch about both my hatred of the Electoral College system, as well as the fact that the man with the most votes didnt get the Presidency...
Not the first time, and won't be the last...


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Two points:

First, while I'm not saying she wasn't the more worthy candidate, I despise the way you appear to derisively dismiss Al Gore by basically saying "oh, he just made a movie." Not only because its a simplistic dismissal of the man's long career both as a public servant and as an advocate on the global warming issue, but because it suggests that making a film is inherently an insignificant or common achievement of no great worth. Needless to say, as a film student, the implication pisses me off. Certainly, a film can be cheap, utter trash. But it can also inform, move, and inspire millions of people.

That said, its not generally as dangerous as rescuing jews from the Nazis was, and if the level of personal risk/adversity decides who gets the prize, Irena Sendler is the more worthy candidate.

Second, I may be mistaken since this was a while ago, but wasn't Al Gore one member of a group of people who recieved the Nobel Prize? And wasn't it technically for something other than the film (I really don't recall)?

Frankly, the majority of films beiing produced in current culture are in fact "cheap utter trash" and inherently of no great worth. That is particularly true of Mr. Gore's intellectually bankrupt and self-serving mockumentary. The only thing that film was worthy of was its "I invented the internet" promoter/maker/cheerleader.

This whole discussion is as inane as observing the public angst that surrounded the death of Princess Di - whilst the whole world barely noticed the death of Mother Theresa the same week. :c

I invented the internet"
It's been 9 years and HE. NEVER. FRIKKEN. SAID. THAT.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp