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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VXa82AuwHU

So here's the trailer, what d'you think? Seeing as it's got water pouring over the Himalayas, I'm assuming it's not going to be factually accurate, but I hope there will be enough action to make up for this. What d'you think it will be like? And how the Hell does water even get to the Himalayas, let alone flood them?

I have to say, I laughed:
"how would the governments of our planet prepare 6 billion people for the end of the world?"


"they wouldnt" lol...

Looks like it could be okay though, kinda reminds me of the Day after Tomorrow

Looks like it could be okay though, kinda reminds me of the Day after Tomorrow

That's because Roland Emmerich's making it.

bah I'm more scared by the concept of what I will be doing in 3 years time

Meh. Just Hollywood cashing off the whole 2012 "end-of-the-world" hype.

I hate doomsday prophecies.

So here's the trailer, what d'you think? Seeing as it's got water pouring over the Himalayas, I'm assuming it's not going to be factually accurate, but I hope there will be enough action to make up for this. What d'you think it will be like? And how the Hell does water even get to the Himalayas, let alone flood them?

Looks just like a remake of Deep Impact. Bleurgh. :p

yeh its just a bunch of bullcrap irl, oh hey look a pretty rock in the sky!

Seeing as it's got water pouring over the Himalayas, I'm assuming it's not going to be factually accurate
Exactly what would it take to make the film 'factually accurate'? It's based on one of the most inane and ridiculous pieces of New Age bullshit I've ever encountered.

A factually accurate film would consist of footage of Mayans spinning in their graves.

Exactly what would it take to make the film 'factually accurate'? It's based on one of the most inane and ridiculous pieces of New Age bullshit I've ever encountered.

you won't be saying that in 2012 when kowabunga becomes cool again

I whis the world would end when some sort of dimensional barier breakes and we become flooded with a river made of cookies.

you won't be saying that in 2012 when kowabunga becomes cool again

Kowabunga isnt cool anymore? :(

i dunno but im going to see that movie in the theater. i love the look of the water in the moutains in the trailer im sure its better on the big screen.

ooooo it has john cusack in it. i like john cusack.

Bollocks. Srs 2012 conspiracists make me lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VXa82AuwHU

So here's the trailer, what d'you think? Seeing as it's got water pouring over the Himalayas, I'm assuming it's not going to be factually accurate, but I hope there will be enough action to make up for this. What d'you think it will be like? And how the Hell does water even get to the Himalayas, let alone flood them?

I was tossing around cataclysmic possibilities that could cause a disaster like that. Polar shift would do it I think.

Bollocks. Srs 2012 conspiracists make me lol.

But...http://theparallaxview.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/sexpistols.jpg

Dude, I'm like so waxing up my board! 2012 is gonna bring some gnarly waves, bro.

*tokes*

Any dudes up for some surfing . . . or atleast a hit of this?

*offers*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VXa82AuwHU

So here's the trailer, what d'you think? Seeing as it's got water pouring over the Himalayas, I'm assuming it's not going to be factually accurate, but I hope there will be enough action to make up for this. What d'you think it will be like? And how the Hell does water even get to the Himalayas, let alone flood them?

It'll be another laugh a minute as Hollywood once again proves they know absolutely nothing about physics.

It looks incredibly stupid.

I think it will be crap but people will flock to see it anyway.

It'll be another laugh a minute as Hollywood once again proves they know absolutely nothing about physics.
Or mythology.

you know i think it will be goodi guess we have to just wait and see

I was tossing around cataclysmic possibilities that could cause a disaster like that. Polar shift would do it I think.

Polar shift as in the Earth goes and does a head stand? Or polar shift as in the magnetic poles?

Damn, and I thought it was going to be based off of Clarke's novels.

Polar shift as in the Earth goes and does a head stand? Or polar shift as in the magnetic poles?

Polar shift as in the axis of Earth's rotation changing. There is evidence that suggests it happened in the past and could happen again. It could even reverse completely. However, the most likely period of pole shift in Earth's History occurred over a very long timescale. There's no evidence to suggest it could happen suddenly or catastrophically.

That's because Roland Emmerich's making it.

In that case, it will probably be like every other film of his I've seen, which means large scale action and special effects combined with story and characters that are average or below.

Seriously, his movies can be fun, but when the best you've done is probably something like The Day After Tomorrow or Stargate...

Polar shift as in the axis of Earth's rotation changing. There is evidence that suggests it happened in the past and could happen again. It could even reverse completely. However, the most likely period of pole shift in Earth's History occurred over a very long timescale. There's no evidence to suggest it could happen suddenly or catastrophically.

Well, a couple of geologists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_shift#Recent_research) have proposed that the North Pole shifted by as much as 50 degrees back in the Precambrian Era, 800,000,000 years ago, and that it happened in less than 20,000,000 years. :eek2:

I suppose it could happen again but I'm not expecting it. Reversal of the polarity of the magnetic field, sure, that's happened lots, but the globe flopping over on its side? Not so much.

Polar shift as in the axis of Earth's rotation changing. There is evidence that suggests it happened in the past and could happen again. It could even reverse completely. However, the most likely period of pole shift in Earth's History occurred over a very long timescale. There's no evidence to suggest it could happen suddenly or catastrophically.
...but there's no evidence to suggest it couldn't happen suddenly or catastrophically. Isn't that right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VXa82AuwHU

So here's the trailer, what d'you think? Seeing as it's got water pouring over the Himalayas, I'm assuming it's not going to be factually accurate, but I hope there will be enough action to make up for this. What d'you think it will be like? And how the Hell does water even get to the Himalayas, let alone flood them?

Kevin Costner already did Waterworld. No need for a rehash.

...but there's no evidence to suggest it couldn't happen suddenly or catastrophically. Isn't that right?

The moon tends to stabilize our axial tilt. However a catastrophic impact event could tilt it dramatically. Though if we got hit that hard safe to say we would be unconcerned.

The moon tends to stabilize our axial tilt. However a catastrophic impact event could tilt it dramatically. Though if we got hit that hard safe to say we would be unconcerned.
That sounded hardthink, so I'm just going to assume what I said was true.

Kevin Costner already did Waterworld. No need for a rehash.

It may be a good idea to remake all of Kevin Costner's movies with them starring anybody but Kevin Costner and then destroy the originals.

...but there's no evidence to suggest it couldn't happen suddenly or catastrophically. Isn't that right?

Um, there is that little thing called rotational inertia...

Um, there is that little thing called rotational inertia...
See #32 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14716838&postcount=32).

See #32 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14716838&postcount=32).

If something that big did hit us, we'd have other things to worry about, like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTKau14cvQ4&feature=related)...

Polar shift as in the axis of Earth's rotation changing. There is evidence that suggests it happened in the past and could happen again. It could even reverse completely. However, the most likely period of pole shift in Earth's History occurred over a very long timescale. There's no evidence to suggest it could happen suddenly or catastrophically.

I don't think I've ever heard of the rotational axis reversing. The magnetic poles, sure, but the rotational axis only wobbles, it doesn't go end over end and I don't think I've ever heard of it doing so in the past (the most change I've heard of is about 3 degrees).

If something that big did hit us, we'd have other things to worry about, like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTKau14cvQ4&feature=related)...
Oh. Yes, that does not seem good. (Takes a long time to load, too. Even if an asteroid doesn't hit us, the hypothetical rock has already wasted about ten minutes of my life.)

The question is, will we be more this?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7f/Tatooine.jpg/300px-Tatooine.jpg

or this?

http://mornatur.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/hoth.jpg

If something that big did hit us, we'd have other things to worry about, like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTKau14cvQ4&feature=related)...

FUCK SCIENCE. Now I'm terrified.

FUCK SCIENCE. Now I'm terrified.
Hear hear. Let's burn down the observatory, so this will never happen again!

...but there's no evidence to suggest it couldn't happen suddenly or catastrophically. Isn't that right?

Earth is kind of like a gyroscope. If something were to imbalance it, it could wobble. But chances are that something catastrophic enough to disrupt it entirly would probably be...well, catastrophic anyway.

FUCK SCIENCE. Now I'm terrified.

The only thing that made me feel better was the knowledge that this hasn't happened in a few billion years.

This is also said to be the result of two Falcon Punches colliding.

My bet is absolute bollocks.

what if this is just a jack in the box commercial.

This Youtube comment was funny so I laughed.

Considering this is coming from the guy who gave us such turds as The Day After Tomorrow, 10,000 BC, and Godzilla, I would have to say that 2012 will be just as bad, if not worse.

I was tossing around cataclysmic possibilities that could cause a disaster like that. Polar shift would do it I think.

Really? Because the Himalayas are literally miles above seabed.

The moon tends to stabilize our axial tilt. However a catastrophic impact event could tilt it dramatically. Though if we got hit that hard safe to say we would be unconcerned.
ohhhh....what if it wasn't us that got hit by a big 'un, but the Moon? That would make for a good disaster action movie.

Kevin Costner already did Waterworld. No need for a rehash.
It will be a religious version of Waterworld. Way more fearmongering and fake drama, way less coolness.

Polar shift as in the axis of Earth's rotation changing. There is evidence that suggests it happened in the past and could happen again. It could even reverse completely. However, the most likely period of pole shift in Earth's History occurred over a very long timescale. There's no evidence to suggest it could happen suddenly or catastrophically.
IIRC there's a theory about the polar shift only involving the crust, not the magma. Basically with the crust sliding over the magma, like a fluid bearing.

IIRC there's a theory about the polar shift only involving the crust, not the magma. Basically with the crust sliding over the magma, like a fluid bearing.

Crust shift theory.

Really? Because the Himalayas are literally miles above seabed.

Well, yeah that is a stretch, but sudden pole shift, and especially pole reversal would have a dramatic effect on the oceans until a new equilibrium was established. I can''t think of anything else that could cause such an effect.

Well, yeah that is a stretch, but sudden pole shift, and especially pole reversal would have a dramatic effect on the oceans until a new equilibrium was established. I can''t think of anything else that could cause such an effect.

A massive asteroid strike in the Bay of Bengal might, but then the shockwave would reach the Himalayas first, and the wave would be travelling much faster.

A massive asteroid strike in the Bay of Bengal might, but then the shockwave would reach the Himalayas first, and the wave would be travelling much faster.

The tsunami wouldn't be big enough. Getting higher than about a quarter of a mile high is implausible without the sort of impact in that video clip from a couple pages ago. In that eventuality, it won't be water flowing over the Himalayas.

The tsunami wouldn't be big enough. Getting higher than about a quarter of a mile high is implausible without the sort of impact in that video clip from a couple pages ago. In that eventuality, it won't be water flowing over the Himalayas.

So essentially a pole switch is the only thing that could do it? How would that happen?

So essentially a pole switch is the only thing that could do it? How would that happen?

An excellent question. :tongue:

An excellent question. :tongue:

I don't mean how would a pole switch happen, I mean how would that cause the oceans to swell to such a massive height?

I don't mean how would a pole switch happen, I mean how would that cause the oceans to swell to such a massive height?

Inertia. The earth rotates at about 1000 miles per hour at the equator. Should the earth's axis of rotation shift suddenly, the oceans would continue moving in it's original direction at incredible speed for a while. That's not the only catastrophic event either; the inertial change would probably cause earthquakes and other impressive geological events, but as the oceans are the most fluid, the effect on them will be exaggerated.

Immanuel Velikovsky's theories on a dynamic solar system outlined the possibility of cataclysmic events caused by close proximity planetary interaction which, among other things, could include the Earth tipping over (end over end if I recall correctly) with the oceans sloshing around and over mountain ranges and so forth.

Inertia. The earth rotates at about 1000 miles per hour at the equator. Should the earth's axis of rotation shift suddenly, the oceans would continue moving in it's original direction at incredible speed for a while. That's not the only catastrophic event either; the inertial change would probably cause earthquakes and other impressive geological events, but as the oceans are the most fluid, the effect on them will be exaggerated.

So in theory this could actually happen?

I don't mean how would a pole switch happen, I mean how would that cause the oceans to swell to such a massive height?

That's what I would like to know.

And hasn't the poles switched many times thoughout Earth history.

Looks like it could be okay though, kinda reminds me of the Day after Tomorrow

I was going to say it looks like it is going to be shit.

And then I read this and if it is like that movie then it is going to be shit. I am sure that it will make a lot of money.

So in theory this could actually happen?

Well, the hard part to explain is sudden pole shift. If pole shift occured at all in Earth's history(and there is evidence to suggest it does from time to time), it occurred over millions of years. There's no historical precedent for a sudden pole shift. That doesn't make it impossible though. Some people crazier than I suggest that a large enough rogue planet passing near Earth could do it.

That's what I would like to know.

And hasn't the poles switched many times thoughout Earth history.

That's the magnetic poles. They switch relatively frequently. I'm talking about the Earth's axis of rotation.

That's the magnetic poles. They switch relatively frequently. I'm talking about the Earth's axis of rotation.

Ah I see that is what I thought you meant.

Awww... I thought it was going to be yet another sequel to 2001 and 2010. :(

Yay its The Day After Tomorrow 2

A movie by the guy who directed universal soilder and wrote 10,000BC? My, how this movie will suck, let me count the ways.

all this talk of science when clearly someone just left the tap on.

Somewhere I heard that trailers consist of the most compelling, interesting scenes in a movie. If that's so, based on the trailers, the movie sucks. I won't see it.

As for the prophecy, meh.

How can you all be saying that Emmerich's films are bad? Fair enough they may be absolutely, laughably appalling, but isn't that their genius? They really are so bad they're good! Surely we all loved Independence Day? Come on, you can admit it - deep down, you love it! And what's not to love about a film featuring a) oceans swamping mountain ranges and b) monks?

How can you all be saying that Emmerich's films are bad? Fair enough they may be absolutely, laughably appalling, but isn't that their genius? They really are so bad they're good! Surely we all loved Independence Day? Come on, you can admit it - deep down, you love it! And what's not to love about a film featuring a) oceans swamping mountain ranges and b) monks?

Exactly. He's an expert of mindless sci-fi action movies. They're not supposed to be enjoyed on an intellectual level, they appeal to a more primitive instinct.

I refuse to accept that anything could cause a wave that large to propel itself across the Himalayas without first causing the complete destruction of everything else first. Silly Hollywood and their lousy science.

That trailer sounds, and looks, awfully familiar....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6qDqdYY6-Y

That trailer sounds, and looks, awfully familiar....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6qDqdYY6-Y

That's an interesting tribute.

I refuse to accept that anything could cause a wave that large to propel itself across the Himalayas without first causing the complete destruction of everything else first. Silly Hollywood and their lousy science.

how do you know it didn't? after all, for all we know, that might be the final scene... ok, second to final scene... the final scene would be a large wooden ark! :tongue:

Dude, I'm like so waxing up my board! 2012 is gonna bring some gnarly waves, bro.

*tokes*

Any dudes up for some surfing . . . or atleast a hit of this?

*offers*

It'll make the Olympic yachting a bitch, though.

sweet a giant wave. Lets go scooba diving !

how do you know it didn't? after all, for all we know, that might be the final scene... ok, second to final scene... the final scene would be a large wooden ark! :tongue:

:p

Even if it was the last or second last scene, I would at least expect some more fire and dust, a wave that large needs something incredibly huge to create it. I cant remember if it was here or another place that gave a link to how hollywood tsunamis caused by asteroids and such are unrealistic.

Now I have just realised that since it is 2012, anyone can come up with anything that could happen. There we are then, no asteroid or meteor as I was thinking, just some hippy space magicians annoyed that they couldnt arrange their world tour.

There we are then, no asteroid or meteor as I was thinking, just some hippy space magicians annoyed that they couldnt arrange their world tour.

Curse you, Magical Trevor!

sweet a giant wave. Lets go scooba diving !
Is that a euphanism (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=euphanism) for what Shaggy does to Scooby when Vera and the gang aren't around?

Nothing will happen in 2012. We will still be driving fossil fuel vehicles. Cuba and Venezuela will still be communist. Iran and Israel will still hate each other.
People will still be partying it up, drinking and driving. People will still be working their normal jobs and attending normal classes. Nothing out of the ordinary.

Of course if you do drink and drive, you could be your own personal doomsday.