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For ejecting a fan who refused to stand through yet another religious/patriotic song.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9458570/Fan-cries-foul-over-ejection-from-Yankee-stadium?GT1=39002

NEW YORK (AP) - A baseball fan who says he was ejected from Yankee Stadium by police after he left his seat to use the bathroom during the playing of "God Bless America" sued the New York Yankees and the city on Wednesday.

Bradford Campeau-Laurion says in his federal lawsuit his rights were violated at an Aug. 26 game between the Yankees and the Boston Red Sox when he tried to pass a police officer.

The lawsuit said the officer did not let him take a step before grabbing his right arm and twisting it behind him. It said two officers marched him down several ramps to the stadium's exit, where he was pushed out as one officer told him to leave the country if he didn't like it.

There is a whole lot more to the article there. I for one think the man has every right to sue if events happened as he claims they did; he's a paying customer to their damn game, and they cannot force him to sit through either of the boring patriotic/religious songs they feel they must play before every stupid sporting event.

Oh and Kudos to Fox for actually being neutral for once, I am shocked and surprised they didn't somehow tie this in to Barack Obama and the evil liberal conspiracy.

My god what is wrong with that cop.

If it happened as he says, then he should definitely sue. Forcing people to stay for anything, especially patriotic displays is stupid. For a start if it isn't voluntary it really looses any meaning and a lot of people, irrespective of how patriotic they are, can be uncomfortable at overt patriotic displays for no real reason, so chances are they are putting off a sizable number of people from attending their games.

Police spokesman Paul J. Browne said the officers, who were being paid by the Yankees to work at the Bronx stadium, ejected Campeau-Laurion, 30, after they "observed a male cursing, using inappropriate language and acting in a disorderly manner while reeking of alcohol."

Let's not get bent out of shape until the truth is determined.

But just for gits and shiggles: Is the stadium public property or private? If it's private property, the stadium can throw him out for whatever they want to.

It's baseball. They could probably beat him to death with a baseball bat, wrap him in the flag, and bury him under the pitcher's mound.

It's just not cricket.

Let's not get bent out of shape until the truth is determined.

But just for gits and shiggles: Is the stadium public property or private? If it's private property, the stadium can throw him out for whatever they want to.

The land the stadium is on is owned by the City of New York.

Yes, I think he should sue. I hope he wins too. Way too far.

Depends. If he was acting rowdy -- which I am not prepared to accept without photos, they did right.

Has anyone been to a MLB game? I remember vaguely it says you can't sue if you get hurt from a pitch, a hit ball, et cetera -- does it also reserve the right to eject a fan at any time for any reason?

[Edit]Granted, this is from the NY Mets, as the Yanks have not put the info on THEIR site, but I imagine it's pretty much the same:

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/nym/ballpark/guide.jsp#guide_t

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We'll see, however, what the courts decide.

It's baseball. They could probably beat him to death with a baseball bat, wrap him in the flag, and bury him under the pitcher's mound.

It's just not cricket.
Of course not. You have wickets in cricket.

I hope he sues, wins big, and humilates them in court.





Partly because of rational reasons.




Mostly because Im a Red Sox fan :p

He should sue, if it's accurate.

Yankees suck!

There's one thing we can agree on.

Let's not get bent out of shape until the truth is determined.

But just for gits and shiggles: Is the stadium public property or private? If it's private property, the stadium can throw him out for whatever they want to.

Not necessarily, even if it is private, that ticket he bought is, essentially, a license to be on the premises providing he follow terms and conditions of that license. Standing for the pledge is something I doubt is one of those terms.

Once he bought the ticket, he has a right to be there, and they can't throw him out for "whatever they want". They have a contract with him.

I hope he sues, wins big, and humilates them in court.





Partly because of rational reasons.




Mostly because Im a Red Sox fan :p

Same here.

I don't see how he can sue the Yankees, per se, if it was the NYPD that threw him off of a municipal property. The Yankees as an organization do not own the stadium, as far as I've been able to find, and are merely tenants of the city. Sue the NYPD and/or the city government, but I don't think a suit against the New York Yankees organization holds up. Unless I'm wrong about the ownership of the stadium. Everything I've found says that the city owns the land and the building, and the Yankees are rent-free tenants.

Same here.

I don't see how he can sue the Yankees, per se, if it was the NYPD that threw him off of a municipal property. The Yankees as an organization do not own the stadium, as far as I've been able to find, and are merely tenants of the city. Sue the NYPD and/or the city government, but I don't think a suit against the New York Yankees organization holds up. Unless I'm wrong about the ownership of the stadium. Everything I've found says that the city owns the land and the building, and the Yankees are rent-free tenants.

That was my thought exactly.

But...its the god damned Yankees...:p

Let's not get bent out of shape until the truth is determined. Are you okay, LG? That's like the...10th post in the last few days where you'd been serious, I'm starting to get worried :D

But just for gits and shiggles: Is the stadium public property or private? If it's private property, the stadium can throw him out for whatever they want to.
There should be some sort of implicit contract in purchasing the ticket...being thrown out for having a really atrocious mullet might be a bit beyond the pale.

There should be some sort of implicit contract in purchasing the ticket...being thrown out for having a really atrocious mullet might be a bit beyond the pale.

It's not at all implicit. A ticket is rather explicitly a license, and follows all laws therein.

Are you okay, LG? That's like the...10th post in the last few days where you'd been serious, I'm starting to get worried :D

That's it....lower your guard....

...huh?

Oh, no. I'm fine. ;)

Once he bought the ticket, he has a right to be there, and they can't throw him out for "whatever they want". They have a contract with him.

I am sure they will do so and come up with whatever reason they want, with the sercurity and operators backing each other up. Terms like "causing a disturbance" can be used to cover a wide range of things.

Not necessarily, even if it is private, that ticket he bought is, essentially, a license to be on the premises providing he follow terms and conditions of that license. Standing for the pledge is something I doubt is one of those terms.

Once he bought the ticket, he has a right to be there, and they can't throw him out for "whatever they want". They have a contract with him.

Went to a MLB game, said on my ticket they can revoke your ticket and remove you from the stadium for any reason.

Went to a MLB game, said on my ticket they can revoke your ticket and remove you from the stadium for any reason.

Yeah, but thats just because youre a cubs fan.

I still think it's idiotic that they sing such a song at a baseball game at all.

Yeah, but thats just because youre a cubs fan.

Shut up. :p

I still think it's idiotic that they sing such a song at a baseball game at all.

Yeah, agreed.

For the record, not every team does.

Yeah, agreed.

I can barely stomach the Cub's singing "Take Me Out To The Ball Game" every 7th inning.

Um.....that's when you're supposed to sing it.

Um.....that's when you're supposed to sing it.

Not every clubhouse has that tradition though. But I was just teasing the cubs again. I edited my post so I dont wear out all my cubs shots so early in the season:p

Of course not. You have wickets in cricket.

Well, not me personally. Nor have I bowled a maiden over.

It's not at all implicit. A ticket is rather explicitly a license, and follows all laws therein. It's been that long since I've bought a ticket to anything, so :P

Not every clubhouse has that tradition though. But I was just teasing the cubs again. I edited my post so I dont wear out all my cubs shots so early in the season:p

I doubt will make it late into the season (burn!)

Last year would have made 100 years since the Merkle curse....maybe we win it this year. Yep, this is the year.

Went to a MLB game, said on my ticket they can revoke your ticket and remove you from the stadium for any reason.

ahh yes, the "for any reason" clause. Well let me tell you something about those "for any reason" clauses.

Not worth the paper they're printed on. Even if it's printed on a Cubs ticket, which, I imagine, they pay you to take.

Not worth the paper they're printed on. Even if it's printed on a Cubs ticket, which, I imagine, they pay you to take.

Yeeesss....

Mostly because Im a Red Sox fan :p

Hell, I'm an Indians fan, and I'm with you.

Damnyankees.

Is this song a usual part of the proceedings there? If so, did he know that when he bought the ticket? If the answer to both of those questions is "Yes" then I reckon that morally speaking -- whatever the legal system ends up deciding -- he hasn't got a leg to stand on...

I've not been to Yankee games (for obvious reasons) but, yes, it is traditional to sing "The Star Spangled Banner" and "O, Canada" at the beginning of the game, and "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" and "God Bless America" during the seventh inning stretch at the Mets' and Cyclones' games. It's been that way since September 2001.

Hell, I'm an Indians fan, and I'm with you.

Damnyankees.

I am also anti-Yankees but I probably picked it up from my husband who is a BoSux fan.

Apparently for the NYPD, it's still Giuliani Time.

Let's not get bent out of shape until the truth is determined.

But just for gits and shiggles: Is the stadium public property or private? If it's private property, the stadium can throw him out for whatever they want to.

Are you turning into a Republican, my goofy friend?

He's a paying customer. They took his money; if he did not violate any laws, he should not be subject to harassment or ejection. That's theft.

ahh yes, the "for any reason" clause. Well let me tell you something about those "for any reason" clauses.

Not worth the paper they're printed on. Even if it's printed on a Cubs ticket, which, I imagine, they pay you to take.

The Bostonite calling out the Cubs, huh? Let's transport you to 2003 and see what you have to say!

EDIT: Bostonian. I knew that looked wrong...

I've not been to Yankee games (for obvious reasons) but, yes, it is traditional to sing "The Star Spangled Banner" and "O, Canada" at the beginning of the game, and "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" and "God Bless America" during the seventh inning stretch at the Mets' and Cyclones' games. It's been that way since September 2001.

They sing "O, Canada"? Really? The A's only do that if they're playing the Blue Jays. And they only sing "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" during the stretch.

Police spokesman Paul J. Browne said the officers, who were being paid by the Yankees to work at the Bronx stadium, ejected Campeau-Laurion, 30, after they "observed a male cursing, using inappropriate language and acting in a disorderly manner while reeking of alcohol."

This description fits more than half the males in the stadium at the time, including the cops who kicked the guy out.

But, if you like professional baseball and posted in this thread in support of the guy who got kicked out, that won't help you! You are to blame for what happened, along with all of the right-wing cavemen who support pro ball. May you all suffer erectile dysfunction.

I doubt will make it late into the season (burn!)

Last year would have made 100 years since the Merkle curse....maybe we win it this year. Yep, this is the year.

Don't Cubs fans say that every year ;)

I hope he wins, but I'm pretty sure he won't. *sigh*

Are you turning into a Republican, my goofy friend?

He's a paying customer. They took his money; if he did not violate any laws, he should not be subject to harassment or ejection. That's theft.

No if he violated the regulations set out by the operator. As I said in an earlier post terms such as "causing a disturbance" are very vague and can apply to almost anything.

I also have a feeling that events didn't exactly go the way as he states.

I've not been to Yankee games (for obvious reasons) but, yes, it is traditional to sing "The Star Spangled Banner" and "O, Canada" at the beginning of the game, and "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" and "God Bless America" during the seventh inning stretch at the Mets' and Cyclones' games. It's been that way since September 2001.

"God Bless America" is, IIRC, played during the 7th inning stretch at every Yankee home game (sung by Kate Smith).

This description fits more than half the males in the stadium at the time, including the cops who kicked the guy out.

But, if you like professional baseball and posted in this thread in support of the guy who got kicked out, that won't help you! You are to blame for what happened, along with all of the right-wing cavemen who support pro ball. May you all suffer erectile dysfunction.
Yah. Come back and post when you've got something mature to say, k?

Yah. Come back and post when you've got something mature to say, k?

Is that a ban? Or a debating point?

I can never tell with you.

Is that a ban? Or a debating point?

I can never tell with you.

When its a ban its generally mentioned for how long someone has been banned. Or 'taking a vacation'. *nods*

Yah. Come back and post when you've got something mature to say, k?

Why don't you explain what is immature about my comments, Mr. NationStates Moderator Team guy?

A-gain?????

I'm a Mets fan myself.

"Yankees are a buncha sell-outs", is what my New York relatives always say. But I say, "what team isn't?" I think they're just a bit whiny.

Far more disturbing than the story itself are the majority of the comments on the Fox article link. There are some serious pockets of disturbed and ignorant humanity out there. Yeesh.

Why don't you explain what is immature about my comments, Mr. NationStates Moderator Team guy?

Oh, no you didn't....

*grabs popcorn*

Why don't you explain what is immature about my comments, Mr. NationStates Moderator Team guy?

Here's hoping you become afflicted with erectile dysfunction.

Why don't you explain what is immature about my comments, Mr. NationStates Moderator Team guy?

First off you need to pay attention, Katganastan is a woman. Secondly, what wasn't immature about your comments?

Why don't you explain what is immature about my comments, Mr. NationStates Moderator Team guy?

But, if you like professional baseball and posted in this thread in support of the guy who got kicked out, that won't help you! You are to blame for what happened, along with all of the right-wing cavemen who support pro ball. May you all suffer erectile dysfunction.
Oh I don't know, blaming posters on this board who have nothing to do with the situation and wishing erectile dysfunction on them? Calling all right -wingers cavemen although this thread has jack all to do with conservatism? That immaturity, Mr. Off-topic Guy?

Oh I don't know, blaming posters on this board who have nothing to do with the situation and wishing erectile dysfunction on them? That immaturity, Mr. Off-topic Guy?

Dudes been lurking for 2 weeks and hasn't learned anything.

I've not been to Yankee games (for obvious reasons) but, yes, it is traditional to sing "The Star Spangled Banner" and "O, Canada" at the beginning of the game...

O Canada? That's odd. I can see it for games involving Toronto, but Canada isn't really a big baseball country, so I doubt many of the players are Canadians... they should play the Dominican anthem or Cuban or something. :D

The Bostonite calling out the Cubs, huh? Let's transport you to 2003 and see what you have to say!

EDIT: Bostonian. I knew that looked wrong...

I'll field this one.

We would have said, "At least we're not Cubs fans. 95 > 84."

O Canada? That's odd. I can see it for games involving Toronto, but Canada isn't really a big baseball country, so I doubt many of the players are Canadians... they should play the Dominican anthem or Cuban or something. :D
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