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America could be facing a surge in right-wing extremism, according to a new US government report.

The Department of Homeland Security study says the election of America's first black president and the economic slump has helped racist groups recruit.

But the report says no specific attacks are being planned by extremists.

Some moderate conservatives fear the administration could use the report as an excuse to tighten gun laws and restrict freedom of speech.

Pronounced threat

The report says that high unemployment figures and home foreclosures have created a climate similar to the early 1990s when white supremacists saw a growth period.

That resurgence was stifled in 1995 after an FBI crackdown on extreme right groups following the Oklahoma City bombings which were carried out by white supremacist Timothy McVeigh.

Some extreme right websites reported a surge in membership immediately after Barack Obama's election.

The Homeland Security study says the threat posed by what it calls "lone wolves" and "small terrorist cells" is more pronounced that in previous years.

It cites an example two weeks ago when three police officers were shot dead in Pittsburgh by Richard Poplawski, who had been a member of a white supremacist group.

Some more moderate conservatives have criticised the Homeland Security study. They believe the White House could use it to justify tougher gun laws and restrictions on conservatives' freedom of speech.

The issue is being keenly debated on right-wing blogs and talk shows.

Radio talk show host Michael Savage, who runs the website Savage Nation, is asking his readers whether Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano should step down for "targeting loyal, patriotic Americans as possible terrorists".

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8000763.stm)

So is the current administration "targeting loyal, patriotic Americans as possible terrorists"? Should they be targeting them? Do you think/have you noticed a surge in right wing groups in your local area? Do you think the administration will use it to "justify tougher gun laws and restrictions on conservatives' freedom of speech"? Would you really care if they did?

*Edit* seems our elected officials are getting into the act, though it is reported from fox news...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/15/protest-grows-report-right-wing-radicalization/
The government considers you a terrorist threat if you oppose abortion, own a gun or are a returning war veteran.

That's what House Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Lamar Smith, R-Texas, said Wednesday in response to a Department of Homeland Security report warning of the rise of right-wing extremist groups.

edit 2
Homeland Security Leader apologizes
Link (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/16/napolitano.apology/)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano apologized Thursday after veterans groups were offended by a department report about right-wing extremism.


Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano apologized to offended veterans Thursday morning.

1 of 2 The report said extremist groups may try to attract veterans returning from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It also said extremists also may use the recession and the election of the nation's first African-American president to recruit members.

The American Legion was among those who objected to the report's mention of veterans.

"I think it is important for all of us to remember that Americans are not the enemy. The terrorists are," the American Legion's national commander, David K. Rehbein, said in a letter to Napolitano.

Napolitano apologized on CNN on Thursday morning.

"I know that some veterans groups were offended by the fact that veterans were mentioned in this assessment, so I apologize for that offense. It was certainly not intended," she told CNN's "American Morning."

She said the report was an assessment -- not an accusation -- and said she would meet with leaders of veterans groups next week. Watch Napolitano talk about Mexico, apology to veterans »

She noted that the Veterans of Foreign Wars, which bills itself as the nation's largest combat veterans group, defended the report.

Glen M. Gardner Jr., the national commander of the 2.2 million-member VFW, said the assessment "should have been worded differently" but served a vital purpose.

"A government that does not assess internal and external security threats would be negligent of a critical public responsibility," he said in a statement.

The report mentioned numerous factors that could strengthen right-wing extremists, including anger over illegal immigration and the poor economy.

Yet it was the section on veterans that caused controversy among conservative politicians and some veterans. It said "the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone-wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks." It cited Timothy McVeigh, who returned from military service and went on to bomb the federal building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, in 1995.

"Timothy McVeigh was only one of more than 42 million veterans who have worn this nation's uniform during wartime," wrote Rehbein, the American Legion commander. "To continue to use McVeigh as an example of the stereotypical 'disgruntled military veteran' is as unfair as using Osama bin Laden as the sole example of Islam."

The report, which was prepared in coordination with the FBI, was published last week. It was distributed to federal, state and local law enforcement officials. Mainstream media outlets picked up the story after it was reported by conservative bloggers. Watch how the report sparked objections »

Though the nine-page report said it had "no specific information that domestic right-wing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence," it said real-estate foreclosures, unemployment and tight credit "could create a fertile recruiting environment for right-wing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past."

The report compared the current climate with that of the 1990s, saying a recession, criticism over outsourcing of jobs, and a perceived threat to U.S. power at that time fueled a "resurgence" of right-wing extremism.

However, it said, "Despite similarities to the climate of the 1990s, the threat posed by lone wolves and small terrorist cells is more pronounced than in past years."

It warned that the groups may use proposed restrictions on firearms and the debate on immigration as recruiting tools, and said the groups may try to reach out to veterans returning from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh decried the report on Tuesday, saying, "There is not one instance they can cite as evidence where any of these right-wing groups have done anything," according to a transcript of his remarks on his Web site.

"You have a report from Janet Napolitano and Barack Obama, Department of Homeland Security, portraying standard, ordinary, everyday conservatives as posing a bigger threat to this country than al Qaeda terrorists or genuine enemies of this country like Kim Jong Il," he said, referring to the leader of North Korea.

Michael Savage, another conservative commentator, also criticized the report.

"What does Big Sis say these right-wingers are concerned about?" he wrote on his Web site, referring to Napolitano.

"Illegal aliens, the increasing power of the federal government, gun grabs, abortion and the loss of U.S. national sovereignty. In other words, anyone who is worried about preserving our borders, language, and culture is on Big Sis' watch list."

In a written statement Wednesday, Napolitano said the agency is on "the lookout for criminal and terrorist activity but we do not -- nor will we ever -- monitor ideology or political beliefs."

She said she was "briefed" on the general topic, which "struck a nerve as someone personally involved in the Timothy McVeigh prosecution."


Napolitano said in her statement that she will tell Rehbein face-to-face that the Department of Homeland Security honors veterans and employs thousands of them, including Deputy Secretary Jane Holl Lute.

The Obama administration in January issued a warning about left-wing extremists. Both reports were initiated during the administration of former President George W. Bush.

So is the current adminstration "targeting loyal, patriotic Americans as possible terrorists"?
No.
Should they be targetting them?
Once they are a threat or are planning to become one? Definitally.
Do you think/have you noticed a surge in right wing groups in your local area?
Yes.
And lastly do you think the adminstration will use it to "justify tougher gun laws and restrictions on conservatives' freedom of speech"?
No, its just a bunch of conservatives busting out their tinfoil hats again. Jesus Christ, some people cant even be out of power for 100 days before the doomsaying begins.
Would you really care if they did?
Tighter gun laws? No. Free speech? Oh hell yes.

I know. Lets just keep an eye on all these fringe groups as possible threats and leave it at that. Then the tin-foil hats can look stupid for overeacting and panicking about gun control and free speech restrictions.

You know, buisiness as usual.

Radio talk show host Michael Savage, who runs the website Savage Nation, is asking his readers whether Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano should step down for "targeting loyal, patriotic Americans as possible terrorists".
I wonder where Savage was when Bush was having Muslim American citizens brought in for questioning for no credible reason...

Oh, wait, silly me. I forgot, they probably werent "loyal, patriotic Americans" because they werent white, and they were actually "possible terrorists" because they were Muslim.

They should come to the left, it's allot more... equal.

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8000763.stm)

So is the current adminstration "targeting loyal, patriotic Americans as possible terrorists"? Should they be targetting them? Do you think/have you noticed a surge in right wing groups in your local area? Do you think the adminstration will use it to "justify tougher gun laws and restrictions on conservatives' freedom of speech"? Would you really care if they did?

1- Michael Savage called liberals pedophiles. He's an idiot. What he said has no value.

2- Terrorists are terrorists.

2- Terrorists are terrorists.

:eek: Wha... Really!?

A rise in the number of people who think I am a subhuman fit only for extermination is always a bad thing, and I support government action against such people.

Also, in the words of Michael Medved's daughter, Michael Savage makes the rest of the conservatives look bad.

My fellow Americans...

When the guy from the other political party, you know the one that's almost identical to the one you're a member of, is elected, you need not be worried. No matter how much your nut-wings fret, they will not turn the US into a totalitarian state. Bill Clinton never brought in the New World Order. George W. Bush never declared a fascist state and rounded up all Democrats. Barack Obama will never do...whatever incoherent evil the right-nuts claim. Please, use your tinfoil for the wrapping of sandwiches and covering of bowls of fruit--even extending the range of your cordless home phone in a strange contraption that involves popsicle sticks and K'nex. Stop being so damn shrill--it's not even a remotely apocalyptic world out there.

So, keep safe, enjoy the weather and god bless America.

*signs off*

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8000763.stm)

So is the current adminstration "targeting loyal, patriotic Americans as possible terrorists"?
People who plot violence against the government or against other citizens are not "loyal, patriotic Americans."

Should they be targetting them?
Should they be targeting groups that plot violence against the government and other citizens? Yeah, I kind of think that's part of their job. You know, the law enforcement part.

Do you think/have you noticed a surge in right wing groups in your local area?
No more than usual. I've noticed a lot of bigoted blather from people I have no reason to believe are actually connected with any groups, though.

Do you think the adminstration will use it to "justify tougher gun laws and restrictions on conservatives' freedom of speech"?
No.

Would you really care if they did?
Guns? Not much.

Free speech? Yes, a lot.

Also:
Radio talk show host Michael Savage, who runs the website Savage Nation, is asking his readers whether Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano should step down for "targeting loyal, patriotic Americans as possible terrorists".
Michael Savage has got a lot of damned gall saying a thing like that, considering how loudly he called for all-out oppression and exiling of Muslim Americans, how much he attacked American Muslims on his radio show, how much he denounced those who criticized Bush's fear-mongering "security" policies, etc.

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8000763.stm)

So is the current adminstration "targeting loyal, patriotic Americans as possible terrorists"? Should they be targetting them? Do you think/have you noticed a surge in right wing groups in your local area? Do you think the adminstration will use it to "justify tougher gun laws and restrictions on conservatives' freedom of speech"? Would you really care if they did?

The CNN article is a bit better, let me quote the relevant part:

But conservative radio talk show host Roger Hedgecock was not persuaded. "If the Bush administration had done this to left-wing extremists, it would be all over the press as an obvious trampling of the First Amendment rights of folks and dissent," he told CNN.

In fact, the Obama administration in January did issue a warning about left-wing extremists. Both reports were initiated during the administration of former President George W. Bush.

You can find CNN's article here (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/14/extremism.report/index.html). So it was our beloved President Bush who started this study, it's simply been reported during the Obama administration. The right wingers attempts to play this off as an uppity n*gger after their guns is pathetic.

2- Terrorists are terrorists.

Captain Obvious is obvious.

Captain Obvious is obvious.

And yet, Mike Savage seems to be unable to grasp such a simple concept.

And yet, Mike Savage seems to be unable to grasp such a simple concept.

Pundits are paid to be overly emotional and bombastic, not intelligent or credible. Research is optional. You only have to be within rifle shot of the facts.

Pundits are paid to be overly emotional and bombastic, not intelligent or credible. Research is optional. You only have to be within rifle shot of the facts.

Well, then, he gets my response and I obliterate him, because it's what I do.

Pundits are paid to be overly emotional and bombastic, not intelligent or credible. Research is optional. You only have to be within rifle shot of the facts.
Then Michael Savage fails.

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8000763.stm)

So is the current adminstration "targeting loyal, patriotic Americans as possible terrorists"? Should they be targetting them? Do you think/have you noticed a surge in right wing groups in your local area? Do you think the adminstration will use it to "justify tougher gun laws and restrictions on conservatives' freedom of speech"? Would you really care if they did?

This is exactly why a department of homeland security is a bad idea. Loyal Americans should not be targeted for anything. Gun rights should be expanded or at least stay the same. There is never an excuse for limiting anybody's freedom of speech beyond the yelling fire in a theatre kind of speech.

From what I heard this morning, this thing sounded really strange. I heard that if you were a gun or ammo hoarder because you were worried that the government was going to further restrict gun or ammo sales, this made you a potential terrorist. That is crazy.

This is exactly why a department of homeland security is a bad idea. Loyal Americans should not be targeted for anything. Gun rights should be expanded or at least stay the same. There is never an excuse for limiting anybody's freedom of speech beyond the yelling fire in a theatre kind of speech.

From what I heard this morning, this thing sounded really strange. I heard that if you were a gun or ammo hoarder because you were worried that the government was going to further restrict gun or ammo sales, this made you a potential terrorist. That is crazy.

While it might be overboard to put someone like that on a terrorist watch list, the idea of keeping a closer eye on someone who is hording tools that have the explicit purpose of killing people than on citizens who are not does make complete sense.

The CNN article is a bit better, let me quote the relevant part:



You can find CNN's article here (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/14/extremism.report/index.html). So it was our beloved President Bush who started this study, it's simply been reported during the Obama administration. The right wingers attempts to play this off as an uppity n*gger after their guns is pathetic.
You know, I haven't actually heard anyone but Leftists supposedly mimicking Conservatives call the President an 'uppity ******" (why the fuck am I being censored?). Mind stopping?

You know, I haven't actually heard anyone but Leftists supposedly mimicking Conservatives call the President an 'uppity ******" (why the fuck am I being censored?). Mind stopping?

Oh I know, actually saying that's the reason you lot hate him is considered poor form. That's it though, he's not particularly different than any other democrat, but to listen to conservatives he's fucking satan.

So yeah, they hate the fucking nigg*r who doesn't know his place.

you' know I really don't see it and this oddly leaves me feeling left out :(

They should come to the left, it's allot more... equal.

why is it when I see minority supremacist groups (admittedly on TV) they are all claiming to be radically left wing? :p

I'm conservative, I disapprove of his (Obama's) policies, but I think he's a good man who honestly is doing what he thinks is best for his country.

This is exactly why a department of homeland security is a bad idea. Loyal Americans should not be targeted for anything. Gun rights should be expanded or at least stay the same. There is never an excuse for limiting anybody's freedom of speech beyond the yelling fire in a theatre kind of speech.

From what I heard this morning, this thing sounded really strange. I heard that if you were a gun or ammo hoarder because you were worried that the government was going to further restrict gun or ammo sales, this made you a potential terrorist. That is crazy.

They're not talking about tracking that kind of person. They're talking about the kind of person who thinks I deserve to die for being Jewish.

They're talking about the kind of person who thinks I deserve to die for being Jewish.

surely they more want you to die because you own everything and scrape every last penny you can from sociaty? from their perspective at least

surely they more want you to die because you own everything and scrape every last penny you can from sociaty? from their perspective at least

They control the banks!

The right winged militants are harmless leave them be.

Bah. Lunatic Speculation by the Right.

They control the banks!

and government because is it any wonder that the banks are suddenly getting so much money?

I think you owe me an apology Mirkana

Oh I know, actually saying that's the reason you lot hate him is considered poor form. That's it though,
*sufer voice* Killer mind reading skillz, bro.

he's not particularly different than any other democrat, but to listen to conservatives he's fucking satan.
Except that:

Possible reasons . . .

1. He had [one of] the most leftist voting records of anyone in the Senate, so that causes/ed concern.

2. He had about zero executive experience, so that causes/ed concern.

3. He has almost zero private sector experience, so that causes/ed concern.

4. He had that horrific relationship with Wright and that Church, so that causes/ed concern.

So, yes, he is quite different from any other typical Democrat.

So yeah, they hate the fucking nigg*r who doesn't know his place.
Dude, chill.

*sufer voice* Killer mind reading skillz, bro.


Except that:

Possible reasons . . .

1. He had [one of] the most leftist voting records of anyone in the Senate, so that causes/ed concern.

2. He had about zero executive experience, so that causes/ed concern.

3. He has almost zero private sector experience, so that causes/ed concern.

4. He had that horrific relationship with Wright and that Church, so that causes/ed concern.

So, yes, he is quite different from any other typical Democrat.


Dude, chill.

When you TAI, it upsets people who do not TAI. TAI, you shouldn't TAI so much, you need to vent more.:p

They're not talking about tracking that kind of person. They're talking about the kind of person who thinks I deserve to die for being Jewish.

Well they've got a point. If your people weren't so careless with all them banks we wouldn't be in this economic crisis.. Seriously, I like you jews but if your going to be ruling the world is it really too much to ask for a bit of responsibility?




edit: woot! 300th post slagging off jews!

They're not talking about tracking that kind of person. They're talking about the kind of person who thinks I deserve to die for being Jewish.

If you would stop ruining the economy with your control of the banks such as AIG maybe Id stop shooting at you.

*like those people??*

*sufer voice* Killer mind reading skillz, bro.


Except that:

Possible reasons . . .

1. He had [one of] the most leftist voting records of anyone in the Senate, so that causes/ed concern.Bullshit

2. He had about zero executive experience, so that causes/ed concern. Sarah Palin. How much executive experience does McCain have?

3. He has almost zero private sector experience, so that causes/ed concern. That matters why?

4. He had that horrific relationship with Wright and that Church, so that causes/ed concern.I saw the witchdoctor he told me what to do.... Sarah is safe from witches! Not Katie Couric though.

Oh I know, actually saying that's the reason you lot hate him is considered poor form. That's it though, he's not particularly different than any other democrat, but to listen to conservatives he's fucking satan.

So yeah, they hate the fucking nigg*r who doesn't know his place.

That's pretty ridiculous. Do you honestly think that the only reasons to dislike Obama are racist reasons? Honestly? Or is this just some sort of extreme hyperbole?

When you TAI, it upsets people who do not TAI. TAI, you shouldn't TAI so much, you need to vent more.:p
:p I prefer TAI'ing to venting, though! Don't you think it looks better, atleast from an outsider reading in on the argument? :p

That's pretty ridiculous. Do you honestly think that the only reasons to dislike Obama are racist reasons? Honestly? Or is this just some sort of extreme hyperbole?

What's the difference between Obama and Clinton? Aside from the "vote for anything with a vagina crowd" it's that one of them's black. So yeah, we've got the open racists in West Virginia, parts of Pennsylvania and Indiana. Then you've got the GOP rank and file who rile them up. I don't know if they're actually racist, or if they just figured stirring it up was the best way to cost Obama votes.

Its bad enough when talk show hosts do it but when elected officials start doing it. Its just sad(though I don't know how far I'd trust fox news)...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/15/protest-grows-report-right-wing-radicalization/

Faux news. That's about it.

Its bad enough when talk show hosts do it but when elected officials start doing it. Its just sad(though I don't know how far I'd trust fox news)...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/15/protest-grows-report-right-wing-radicalization/
The government considers you a terrorist threat if you oppose abortion, own a gun or are a returning war veteran.

That's what House Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Lamar Smith, R-Texas, said Wednesday in response to a Department of Homeland Security report warning of the rise of right-wing extremist groups.

What's the difference between Obama and Clinton? Aside from the "vote for anything with a vagina crowd" it's that one of them's black. So yeah, we've got the open racists in West Virginia, parts of Pennsylvania and Indiana. Then you've got the GOP rank and file who rile them up. I don't know if they're actually racist, or if they just figured stirring it up was the best way to cost Obama votes.

I don't know, it seemed to me that they hated Clinton just as much, maybe with a small increase from a segment that are racists.

Bullshit
In 2007, the year before he was the Democrat Presidential Candidate, The National Journal ranked him the "most liberal" senator based on an assessment of selected votes during 2007. And even if you want to deny the reality of that, I still said "He had [one of] the most Liberal voting records in the Senate", so you're wrong either way.

Sarah Palin. How much executive experience does McCain have? Stop shifting the debate. Sarah Palin sucks, and she was hugely divisive amongst Conservatives. Also, she was VP candidate not the Presidential candidate. What does all this have to do with Obama's lack of experience???



That matters why?
Um, it matters to a fairly large portion of this country who are either in business or pro-business and become worried when their leader has zero experience in the private sector and has [one of] the most no-private sector experienced administrations in history.

I saw the witchdoctor he told me what to do.... Sarah is safe from witches! Not Katie Couric though.
What are you on about here? What does this have to do with the fact that his connection to Wright and that church caused/causes a great deal of concern for many Americans?

What's the difference between Obama and Clinton? Aside from the "vote for anything with a vagina crowd" it's that one of them's black. So yeah, we've got the open racists in West Virginia, parts of Pennsylvania and Indiana. Then you've got the GOP rank and file who rile them up. I don't know if they're actually racist, or if they just figured stirring it up was the best way to cost Obama votes.
So basically you think the only reason to dislike/oppose Obama is if one's a racist? Think about what your response to that. You are bordering on an extreme here . . .

That's pretty ridiculous. Do you honestly think that the only reasons to dislike Obama are racist reasons? Honestly? Or is this just some sort of extreme hyperbole?
Insanity. :p

Its bad enough when talk show hosts do it but when elected officials start doing it. Its just sad(though I don't know how far I'd trust fox news)...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/15/protest-grows-report-right-wing-radicalization/

actually its in the report:

(U//FOUO) The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of
military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities
could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists
capable of carrying out violent attacks.

this is where they mention veterans, it explains further why they're worried about it.

* (U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and
adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups),
and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or
rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a
single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."

I think this part, is at the least poorly worded, and comes out sounding like if you oppose abortion or immigration then you are a radical, and therefore a terrorist threat.

Sausages: http://www.thelibertypapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf

actually its in the report:



this is where they mention veterans, it explains further why they're worried about it.



I think this part, is at the least poorly worded, and comes out sounding like if you oppose abortion or immigration then you are a radical, and therefore a terrorist threat.

Sausages: http://www.thelibertypapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf
Well sign me up. I oppose illegal immigration, so I guess I'm just a step away from blowing up a federal building....

Got to run, I'm against income taxes, too, and I want to get to the statehouse before the Atlanta protest ends.

Pundits are paid to be overly emotional and bombastic, not intelligent or credible. Research is optional. You only have to be within rifle shot of the facts.

Exactly. I seem to recall Rush or his worshippers dodging some outrageous thing he said by claiming he's just an entertainer commenting on current events, not a journalist or a political figure.

Well sign me up. I oppose illegal immigration, so I guess I'm just a step away from blowing up a federal building....

Got to run, I'm against income taxes, too, and I want to get to the statehouse before the Atlanta protest ends.

Do you honestly think income taxes are going away because you went to the State House and shouted some slogans? It never worked for us on the Left. getting your people elected seems to be the way to go. ;)

Do you honestly think income taxes are going away because you went to the State House and shouted some slogans? It never worked for us on the Left. getting your people elected seems to be the way to go. ;)

The poeple on the right have more guns so they get listen to more. Obama has even addressed the Tea baggers.

actually its in the report:



this is where they mention veterans, it explains further why they're worried about it.



I think this part, is at the least poorly worded, and comes out sounding like if you oppose abortion or immigration then you are a radical, and therefore a terrorist threat.

Sausages: http://www.thelibertypapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf

No, to any sane person reading it, who already wasnt wearing his tinfoil hat and convinced that the ebil socialist was out to get them, it doesnt say anything like that.

To the nutjob who already believes Obama hates veterans and thinks that there is already a Final Solution in the works for registered Republicans, and constantly stretch whats said and done to confirm the bias on the other hand....

But those people's perception of reality is so warped anyway, no amount of gentle correcting will change that.

So, I read an article on Fox News about this. Unsuprisingly, they dont mention that this report was commissioned under Dubya.

So, I read an article on Fox News about this. Unsuprisingly, they dont mention that this report was commissioned under Dubya.

I don't think it matters one way or the other who commissioned it- certainly even a week or two would be sufficient to compile such a report, its a measly 9 pages.

I don't think it matters one way or the other who commissioned it- certainly even a week or two would be sufficient to compile such a report, its a measly 9 pages.

No, see, it matters. Republicans are crying about Obama's 'political profiling', when he didnt even commission the report.

Its just another example of GOP intellectual dishonesty.

No, see, it matters. Republicans are crying about Obama's 'political profiling', when he didnt even commission the report.

Its just another example of GOP intellectual dishonesty.

But it doesn't matter, a report on right wing extremists is a valid thing to do, but the wording seemed to identify anyone holding certain beliefs as an extremist- wording is what they take issue with, as far as I can tell. It's retarded to argue that these things don't happen, or that the government shouldn't look into known terrorist groups, or that veterans might be targeted by such groups. The only one I've heard of those three is the veterans thing, but its a valid concern to have(veterans being recruited), and I think the recommendations in the report may (hopefully) improve veteran's lives, and keep crazies away from them.

wording is what they take issue with, as far as I can tell.

If you read the OP, wording isnt what everyone takes issue with.

And the wording isnt bad. Like I said, the only people who read it as you are trying to portray it are people trying to score political points and conservatives who think that Obama really is out to get them.

and it continues

Link (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/16/napolitano.apology/)

Homeland security chief apologizes to veterans groups

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano apologized Thursday after veterans groups were offended by a department report about right-wing extremism.

The report said extremist groups may try to attract veterans returning from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It also said extremists also may use the recession and the election of the nation's first African-American president to recruit members.

The American Legion was among those who objected to the report's mention of veterans.

"I think it is important for all of us to remember that Americans are not the enemy. The terrorists are," the American Legion's national commander, David K. Rehbein, said in a letter to Napolitano.

Napolitano apologized on CNN on Thursday morning...

...What does Big Sis say these right-wingers are concerned about?"...

"I think it is important for all of us to remember that Americans are not the enemy. The terrorists are," the American Legion's national commander, David K. Rehbein, said in a letter to Napolitano.
And American terrorists...?

A rather idiotic statement from Mr. Rehbein.

And American terrorists...?


They dont exist, silly.
and it continues

Link (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/16/napolitano.apology/)

:rolleyes:

I understand the politics behind the apology, but that doesnt mean I agree that one was required.

I think this is the most interesting
The Obama administration in January issued a warning about left-wing extremists.
As I don't remember any left wingers whining in January about any reports.

They dont exist, silly.
There is a worrying idea being propagated around the world that terrorists and humans are separate entities.

There is a worrying idea being propagated around the world that terrorists and humans are separate entities.

Agreed. In case it wasnt obvious, I was kidding in my prior statement.


I know you probably know, but I dont want Poe's law to come into play.