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I wonder how their parents feel about this, given that they were the ones who turned their kids over to the Taliban.

Only a group of bass-ackwards religious fanatics with their collective heads up each other's collective behinds could think that a 19 year old woman and a 21 year old man were incapable of deciding to get married and then make it punishable by death.

Why are these people allowed to continue blighting the existence of everyone in their country?

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Why are these people allowed to continue blighting the existence of everyone in their country?

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Because the one real chance to ex-ter-mi-nate them completely was blown when short attention span suddenly pulled off the focus and manpower away from them towards Iraq on some wild WMD chase. Which of course gave the Taliban a chance to regroup and recuperate into the persistent menace along the Afghan/Pakistan region that they are today.

It's like what they say about taking antibiotics. Finish it all, or the survivors will develop a tolerance and multiply.

Sometimes the world seems crushingly sad.

I really hate that place.

In b4 Why do you hate muslims? :(

In b4 Why do you hate muslims? :(

The Taliban are Muslims just like the Spanish Inquisition were Catholics. Unless of course you accept that all Catholics like to torture heretics and burn them as well, in which case at least you're consistent.

blah blah blah ex-ter-mi-nate blah blah blah

So, you're saying we should send Daleks after them?

An intriguing idea. It's nothing more than what the Taliban deserves - to be EX-TER-MI-NATED.

The Taliban are Muslims just like the Spanish Inquisition were Catholics. Unless of course you accept that all Catholics like to torture heretics and burn them as well, in which case at least you're consistent.

Of course those in the Inquisition were Catholics. They'd just be viewed as very extremist today. (Hey, kinda like the Taliban!)

In b4 Why do you hate muslims? :(

*generic 'just because x is y and x is in set a doesn't mean a is y'*

Because the one real chance to ex-ter-mi-nate them completely was blown when short attention span suddenly pulled off the focus and manpower away from them towards Iraq on some wild WMD chase. Which of course gave the Taliban a chance to regroup and recuperate into the persistent menace along the Afghan/Pakistan region that they are today.

It's like what they say about taking antibiotics. Finish it all, or the survivors will develop a tolerance and multiply.

There is no small window of opportunity to shoot the Talis. It can be open season always.

We should daisy chain the whole Tora Bora, make sure no tunnels caves or safe routes remain.

Then we should heavily arm Gretna Green in case the Taliban decides to attack there.

There is no small window of opportunity to shoot the Talis. It can be open season always.

Indeed. EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

Indeed. EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

Right on! The only good Tali is a dead one for shizzle.

The Taliban are Muslims just like the Spanish Inquisition were Catholics. Unless of course you accept that all Catholics like to torture heretics and burn them as well, in which case at least you're consistent.

Exterminate all of the psychopaths who torture and burn people. Sounds good to me. I love Bud Light Real Men of Genius commercials. There should be one about peaceniks.

Exterminate all of the psychopaths who torture and burn people. Sounds good to me. I love Bud Light Real Men of Genius commercials. There should be one about peaceniks.

We are in agreement. I'll get to work on inventing a death ray for us to use.

Sharia Law: Bringing injustice and murder to you since Islam was founded.

Ugh...I feel bad for the people of these nations. I cannot imagine what it would be like to live under such tyranny.

Sharia Law: Bringing injustice and murder to you since Islam was founded.

Ugh...I feel bad for the people of these nations. I cannot imagine what it would be like to live under such tyranny.

What should scare you, then, is that one of our closest allies, and someone we've been sharing nuclear weapons with... just instituted sharia law.

Pecha, the woman, was an ethnic Pashtun from the region and a member of the Sunni sect of Islam, Azad said. Aziz was from the Shiite sect, Azad said

good lord can you imagine if they had children?! :eek:

This is a purely rhetorical question, because I know we can only answer for ourselves, but how much more of this obscenity are we going to be subjected to before we finally get the idea that "cultural relativity" isn't a viable excuse for it?

This is a purely rhetorical question, because I know we can only answer for ourselves, but how much more of this obscenity are we going to be subjected to before we finally get the idea that "cultural relativity" isn't a viable excuse for it?

I don't know anyone who tries to defend this on grounds of "cultural relativity".

I don't know anyone who tries to defend this on grounds of "cultural relativity".

That's just what your relatively pathetic culture would want you to think. MWAHAHAHAHAHA.

There is no small window of opportunity to shoot the Talis. It can be open season always.

"Taliban season!"

"Ba'ath season!"

"Taliban season!"

"Ba'ath season!"

"TALIBAN SEASON!"

This is what happens when people let religion take control, this is what happens when people let anyone but themselves take control.

"Taliban season!"

"Ba'ath season!"

"Taliban season!"

"Ba'ath season!"

"TALIBAN SEASON!"

I think we've decided on a Dalek theme here.

EX-TER-MI-NATE!
EX-TER-MI-NATE!
EX-TER-MI-NATE!
EX-TER-MI-NATE!

Sometimes you really need to buckle down and force people to abandon backward shit like this. How we'd do that, I don't know, but I figure we could achieve a lot once we've got more troops in the country and more ability to force their government towards a Western level of human rights and democracy. Puppet states aren't all bad...

Sometimes you really need to buckle down and force people to abandon backward shit like this. How we'd do that, I don't know, but I figure we could achieve a lot once we've got more troops in the country and more ability to force their government towards a Western level of human rights and democracy. Puppet states aren't all bad...

Well as much as killing a group of people(Taliban) is shitty. I have seen wholesale slaughter first hand and it isn't pretty. With that said I am not sure if there is another way.

What should scare you, then, is that one of our closest allies, and someone we've been sharing nuclear weapons with... just instituted sharia law.

It does, my friend, it does.

Sharia law is a law based in asshattery. It has no useful application in modern civilization. I'm not saying Islam is based in asshattery, it's the application of Islam in Sharia law that is.

Note that while many laws have basis in religious moral codes, there is a point where it goes too far. Sharia law is one astronomical unit beyond that point.

It is a form of law that the United Nations, if it had any balls, would automatically condemn to be anti-human rights and not allowable in modern times.

good lord can you imagine if they had children?! :eek:

F**king blasphemy.

It is a form of law that the United Nations, if it had any balls, would automatically condemn to be anti-human rights and not allowable in modern times.

They can't. It's hard to put yourself on that kind of moral highground podium when some of your most important members are denying basic civil rights, and carrying out practices like executions and torture.

They can't. It's hard to put yourself on that kind of moral highground podium when some of your most important members are denying basic civil rights, and carrying out practices like executions and torture.

So, what on Earth is the good of an international governing body that can't even police itself?

So, what on Earth is the good of an international governing body that can't even police itself?

The job of the UN was never to govern; it was to prevent another World War. That is still, to this day, its primary function.

The Taliban are Muslims just like the Spanish Inquisition were Catholics. Unless of course you accept that all Catholics like to torture heretics and burn them as well, in which case at least you're consistent.I dispute this on the basis that the Inquisition already required evidence (As in, the modern definition of the term) of guilt and was known to acquit people when this evidence couldn't be provided at a time when the average catholic was quite willing to trust in trial by ordeal.

Taliban are the other way around.

I dispute this on the basis that the Inquisition already required evidence (As in, the modern definition of the term) of guilt and was known to acquit people when this evidence couldn't be provided at a time when the average catholic was quite willing to trust in trial by ordeal.

Taliban are the other way around.

The Inquisition was also incredibly sceptical of claims of witchcraft. The idea of a human drinking a potion and gaining the ability to fly was scientifically debunked by them years before the scientific process even existed.

I dispute this on the basis that the Inquisition already required evidence (As in, the modern definition of the term) of guilt and was known to acquit people when this evidence couldn't be provided at a time when the average catholic was quite willing to trust in trial by ordeal.

Taliban are the other way around.

The Inquisition was also known to manufacture evidence and acquire evidence through torture (some forms of which make waterboarding look mild). It's questionable to say the Inquisition was not comparable to the Taliban because some of it's forms differed - irrational fanatic extremism is irrational fanatic extremism regardless of whose ox is being gored and how the goring is being done.

The Taliban are Muslims just like the Spanish Inquisition were Catholics. Unless of course you accept that all Catholics like to torture heretics and burn them as well, in which case at least you're consistent.

They don't?!?!?

The Inquisition was also known to manufacture evidence and acquire evidence through torture (some forms of which make waterboarding look mild). It's questionable to say the Inquisition was not comparable to the Taliban because some of it's forms differed - irrational fanatic extremism is irrational fanatic extremism regardless of whose ox is being gored and how the goring is being done.Torture was used universally, though. You can't exactly single out the Inquisition on something virtually everyone did at the time - the difference with the Inquisition was that for all the torture, you actually had a chance to be acquitted, which was, by the standards of the time, quite decent (And incidentally, I note that torture was, at least within the Inquisition, never a 'First Measure' - there were rules and procedures to be followed, and it was quite possible to avoid torture altogether - without necessarily having to admit guilt, no less).

That aside, the Inquisition was less irrationally fanatic than the average person at the time - note that its job was not to root out witchcraft (Very irrational), which it was, as mentioned by Eluneyasa, rather sceptical of, but to deal with, as you said, heretics. And it's actually possible for, say, a former Jew to continue following jewish rites, and thus being guilty. Now, granted, it's still nasty to live in a place where doing so is criminal, but it's a step up from being accused of bullshit, no matter guilty or not, and being set on fire, either way.

They don't?!?!?

IIRC, the Catholics actually preferred to hang or behead heretics. It's primarily Protestant and vigilante anti-witchcraft practices that involved the burning.

Sometimes the world seems crushingly sad.


This has to be one of the weirdest stories I have ever heard. How very sad. I can't imagine what must be going through the parent's minds. Since when do you kill people for trying to elope? okay so they don't want to go through with the arrange marriage so the punishment is death? How about bring them back and talk to them and try to get them to go through with the original marriage?

The Taliban are Muslims just like the Spanish Inquisition were Catholics. Unless of course you accept that all Catholics like to torture heretics and burn them as well, in which case at least you're consistent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

1. the Medieval Inquisition (1184- 1230s)
2. the Spanish Inquisition (1478-1834)
3. the Portuguese Inquisition (1536-1821)
4. the Roman Inquisition (1542- ~1860 )


Usually when people talk about the "Inquisition" they mean the Spanish Inquisition. We can clearly see that this happened 175 years ago. I know we should never forget. Don't you think that the parallel here is just a little out dated?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

1. the Medieval Inquisition (1184- 1230s)
2. the Spanish Inquisition (1478-1834)
3. the Portuguese Inquisition (1536-1821)
4. the Roman Inquisition (1542- ~1860 )


Usually when people talk about the "Inquisition" they mean the Spanish Inquisition. We can clearly see that this happened 175 years ago. I know we should never forget. Don't you think that the parallel here is just a little out dated?

The thing is that the Spanish Inquisition is the more notorious of the 4 you mentioned because of the attrocities they committed, all the way to the late XIX century and into the colonies too.

Sharia Law: Bringing injustice and murder to you since Islam was founded.

thanks... now I got this running through my head.

In the Criminal Justice System, the people are represented by two equal and seperate entities. The police who enforce Sharia Laws and the Courts that convict them. These are their stories...

{theme for Law and Order: Sharia Law}

Torture was used universally, though. You can't exactly single out the Inquisition on something virtually everyone did at the time - the difference with the Inquisition was that for all the torture, you actually had a chance to be acquitted, which was, by the standards of the time, quite decent (And incidentally, I note that torture was, at least within the Inquisition, never a 'First Measure' - there were rules and procedures to be followed, and it was quite possible to avoid torture altogether - without necessarily having to admit guilt, no less).

That aside, the Inquisition was less irrationally fanatic than the average person at the time - note that its job was not to root out witchcraft (Very irrational), which it was, as mentioned by Eluneyasa, rather sceptical of, but to deal with, as you said, heretics. And it's actually possible for, say, a former Jew to continue following jewish rites, and thus being guilty. Now, granted, it's still nasty to live in a place where doing so is criminal, but it's a step up from being accused of bullshit, no matter guilty or not, and being set on fire, either way.

And this, of course, makes it better than the Taliban - because the Inquisition might, just possibly, acquit someone (of course, leaving them crippled for life was just an unfortunate side effect).

Let's see

Inquisition - forced conversions of non-Catholics
Taliban - forced conversions of non-Muslims
Inquisition - torture of suspects, leaving any that survived crippled and subject to harassment.
Taliban - summary execution of suspects. Harassment of all non-Muslims within their reach.
Inquisition - managed to spread to the Americas to bring its "benefits" to the natives.
Taliban - at least they haven't managed to leave the Middle East in large numbers, yet.
Inquisition - took a dim view of women, but didn't treat them much differenlty than men in terms of religion.
Taliban - pretty much considers women lower animals and refuses them any dignity, killing them when convenient.
Inquisition - had the support of the Church.
Taliban - Doesn't really have the support of mainstream Islam.

I'd say it's a draw.

It really is sad how cruel and unforgiving this world can be at times, will not let them get married and then are executed.

It really is sad how cruel and unforgiving this world can be at times, will not let them get married and then are executed.

This has nothing to do with this world at large. It has everything to do with that narrow, tiny-minded, bigotted, asshat group - the Taliban.

This has nothing to do with this world at large. It has everything to do with that narrow, tiny-minded, bigotted, asshat group - the Taliban.

Which is why gay marriage is legal all across America.

Oh. Wait.

Which is why gay marriage is legal all across America.

Oh. Wait.

The difference being that, while most of the US (and most of the rest of the world) won't let gays marry, they, at least, won't execute them for trying to marry. That's a big step up from, "you tried to marry each other without our permission, so we're going to kill you."

Not permitting gay marriage is, to quote Smunkee, "ungood." It beats the Hell out of killing them because they want to, though.

The difference being that, while most of the US (and most of the rest of the world) won't let gays marry, they, at least, won't execute them for trying to marry. That's a big step up from, "you tried to marry each other without our permission, so we're going to kill you."

Not permitting gay marriage is, to quote Smunkee, "ungood." It beats the Hell out of killing them because they want to, though.

It's still just a matter of degree.

I don't disagree with the assertion that the Taliban are a "narrow, tiny-minded, bigotted, asshat group" for their actions, but I do disagree with this not being 'the world at large'.

The same "narrow, tiny-minded, bigotted, asshat" mentality stops gay marriage in America, and executes homosexuals in Iran.

It's all the same psychology, and just because some abridge human rights in it's name, and some abridge the right to live, in it's name... doesn't mean it's not universal. It really is just a matter of degree.

It's still just a matter of degree.

I don't disagree with the assertion that the Taliban are a "narrow, tiny-minded, bigotted, asshat group" for their actions, but I do disagree with this not being 'the world at large'.

The same "narrow, tiny-minded, bigotted, asshat" mentality stops gay marriage in America, and executes homosexuals in Iran.

It's all the same psychology, and just because some abridge human rights in it's name, and some abridge the right to live, in it's name... doesn't mean it's not universal. It really is just a matter of degree.

There is some difference in psychology. One doesn't value life. They say, in essence, "if you aren't us, then you should die."

The other says that life is of value. They say in essence, "if you aren't us, we'll limit your actions in a certain arena, but you shouldn't die."

This by no means should be taken as support on my part for denying people the right to self-determination for any reason, just that I see a difference for killing people for being different and limiting their actions for being different.

There is some difference in psychology. One doesn't value life. They say, in essence, "if you aren't us, then you should die."

The other says that life is of value. They say in essence, "if you aren't us, we'll limit your actions in a certain arena, but you shouldn't die."

This by no means should be taken as support on my part for denying people the right to self-determination for any reason, just that I see a difference for killing people for being different and limiting their actions for being different.

Yes, and it is the former group we seek to EXTERMINATE.

Yes, and it is the former group we seek to EXTERMINATE.

But only as a matter of self-defense. *nods.* :p

Inquisition - forced conversions of non-Catholics
Taliban - forced conversions of non-Muslims
Inquisition - torture of suspects, leaving any that survived crippled and subject to harassment.
Taliban - summary execution of suspects. Harassment of all non-Muslims within their reach.
Inquisition - managed to spread to the Americas to bring its "benefits" to the natives.
Taliban - at least they haven't managed to leave the Middle East in large numbers, yet.
Inquisition - took a dim view of women, but didn't treat them much differenlty than men in terms of religion.
Taliban - pretty much considers women lower animals and refuses them any dignity, killing them when convenient.
Inquisition - had the support of the Church.
Taliban - Doesn't really have the support of mainstream Islam.I'm pretty sure neither Taliban nor Inquisition are/ were into the forced conversion deal - the Taliban just shoot you, and the Inquisition merely controlled those who converted on their own (Well, out of social pressure, but still. Not the Inquisition's doing).

Torture, I repeat, was standard procedure everywhere. Just not comparable, unless Taliban methods are standard procedure worldwide. And note that the modern Inquisition (http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/) doesn't do torture anymore. The Taliban do.

In the Americas, mhm... Debatable. The Inquisition's culture war did of course destroy oodles of indigenous traditions and knowledge (That it choose to sent complete morons like Diego de Landa over didn't help, either. To think, we could've read Maya in 1550 if he'd been intellectually on par with his opposites -_-), and maintained policies similar to those concerning converted Jews in Europe. Okay, that's bad. But to be entirely fair, it did also bring an end to the human sacrifice traditions in mesoamerica, which I'm willing to count in the Inquisition's favour.

... That the (Non-Inquisition) Spanish settlers then proceeded to kill happily ever after is another matter, but it wasn't the Inquisition's doing. It was a load of criminals out of control (Worth noting that the Spanish government as well as the intellectual elite in Europe, be they part of the church hierarchy or not, did, for the most part, object to it. They just didn't do much more than talk, rather like we westerners do today in 90% of cases).

You're right insofar as the Taliban aren't muslim mainstream any more than the Khmer Rouge* were communist mainstream, whereas the Inquisition was pretty much at the top - but the Inquisition behaved better than the average Central- or southern european civil authority, not worse. The same cannot be said for the Taliban vs. the average muslim.

* Isn't it depressing that you only have to go back three decades to find a regime worse than the Taliban?

Nuke the fucking world. Problem solved.