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Yes, Tax Day is upon us. I know many of you will find my decision to be foolish, but I will be attending my city's local tea party.

It's nothing against Obama personally, I'm just sick of the massive spending. Bush had already caused so much damage, why spend more?

This isn't about the GOP to me, it's about my country. I am just concerned about it, and I want my voice to be heard.

That's all I had to say, have a Happy Tax Day! (Well, if there ever was such thing as a "Happy Tax Day")

While the intent behind the tea parties is good, the double standard shown by many of its participants (not necessarily you, HP, but many others) is disturbing. Where was the outrage over Bush's profligate spending, his usurpations of civil liberties, his fanatically belligerent foreign policy, and the rapid escalation of statism and centralization during his presidency?

Many of the people opposing Obama (again, not necessarily you) are only opposing his policies because he is a Democrat. If Bush were the one implementing them, they would greet said policies with either tacit or open approval.

Yeah, when I saw what Bush was doing to our budget, I nearly died. I could not believe it.

I wasn't expecting Obama to do anything different, but it's just at a point where I've had it up to here with all the spending. The problem is, if McCain was elected, I know there wouldn't have been any tea parties, because many of the current attendees would have been foolish enough to think that because a Repub is in power, everything is good.

That's true.

I hope the parties are really just about being fed up with the spending. I've heard a lot of people who are going saying they are fed up with the Republicans as well, so it's possible that the majority of attendees will be rational conservatives. I dunno.

We probably won't make huge waves with this (Nothing like the illegal immigrant marches a couple years back around this time. Must be something about spring that people are like, "You know what sounds good? A protest! Good way to stretch the old muscles!")

While the intent behind the tea parties is good, the double standard shown by many of its participants (not necessarily you, HP, but many others) is disturbing. Where was the outrage over Bush's profligate spending, his usurpations of civil liberties, his fanatically belligerent foreign policy, and the rapid escalation of statism and centralization during his presidency?

Many of the people opposing Obama (again, not necessarily you) are only opposing his policies because he is a Democrat. If Bush were the one implementing them, they would greet said policies with either tacit or open approval.

See, originally it had nothing to do with those things. Now, while I am the first to agree that mailing a teabag to congressmen is a very silly thing, originally it was a protest about congress refusing to stand up and actually oversee what Paulson/Bernanke were doing. (And later the triumvirate of Bair/Geithner/Bernanke).

It was never really about the stimulus, or obama, or parties.

I guess since it actually had a decent point, it was bound to be hijacked in a way that would turn it into the biggest and most acrimonious circus ensuring that the original complaint - which is quite hard to disagree with, even if you think the method was silly - would be completely lost and the whole thing made into a trivial sideshow.

Yes, Tax Day is upon us. I know many of you will find my decision to be foolish, but I will be attending my city's local tea party.

It's nothing against Obama personally, I'm just sick of the massive spending. Bush had already caused so much damage, why spend more?

This isn't about the GOP to me, it's about my country. I am just concerned about it, and I want my voice to be heard.

That's all I had to say, have a Happy Tax Day! (Well, if there ever was such thing as a "Happy Tax Day")

Can I call you a teabagger then?

Yes, Tax Day is upon us. I know many of you will find my decision to be foolish, but I will be attending my city's local tea party.

It's nothing against Obama personally, I'm just sick of the massive spending. Bush had already caused so much damage, why spend more?

This isn't about the GOP to me, it's about my country. I am just concerned about it, and I want my voice to be heard.

That's all I had to say, have a Happy Tax Day! (Well, if there ever was such thing as a "Happy Tax Day")

would you like to buy a George Washington costume?

would you like to buy a George Washington costume?

No, I saw your earlier post, I am not a freak, as you would have it.

No, I saw your earlier post, I am not a freak, as you would have it.

I meant potential customer.

Can I call you a teabagger then?

Actually, I was hoping we would have "Beer parties" instead. Much more people would show up if we did that.

I meant potential customer.

Lol, I gotta admit, I admire your entrepreneurial spirit

That's all I had to say, have a Happy Tax Day! (Well, if there ever was such thing as a "Happy Tax Day")

No, there never was/is.

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/

oooh a lovely spot of tea you say? *puts on my redcoat*

Anyone serious should dress up as a Mohawk.

No, there never was/is.

Funny, I've never been stressed on tax day, and occaisionally it has worked out that I've gotten my refund back on that day, so I have had happy tax days.

They keep calling them "teabag parties" on the news and talking about "teabagging" and such. I can't stop laughing.

Also, not going.

Mirkana may be the only one who gets it. I wonder what the mainstream media will report this evening? If anything...

Anyone serious should dress up as a Mohawk.

Um... They didn't fare so well at getting their voices heard and respected. Was that the point you were trying to make?

Many of the people opposing Obama (again, not necessarily you) are only opposing his policies because he is a Democrat. If Bush were the one implementing them, they would greet said policies with either tacit or open approval.

Guys, please let's not forget that since January, the Federal Government has spent more money than during all the terms of all the previous Presidents COMBINED. In 8 years and two wars Bush didn't even come close to the massive amount of money this Congress has been throwing around.

I don't blame Obama per se, since I think the Congress is really to blame here, but he certainly would have scored a lot of points by trying to rein them in instead of signing off on it all.

Um... They didn't fare so well at getting their voices heard and respected. Was that the point you were trying to make?
That those involved in the original Boston Teaparty dressed up as Mohawks?

They keep calling them "teabag parties" on the news and talking about "teabagging" and such. I can't stop laughing.

What else would you expect from the media?

Um... They didn't fare so well at getting their voices heard and respected. Was that the point you were trying to make?

Some of the original patriots from the Boston Tea Party dressed as Mohawk Indians when they dumped the tea, that's the point he was making.

Can I call you a teabagger then?

I've called you a teabagger. He should be round shortly. Have fun :)

Guys, please let's not forget that since January, the Federal Government has spent more money than during all the terms of all the previous Presidents COMBINED. In 8 years and two wars Bush didn't even come close to the massive amount of money this Congress has been throwing around.
Can we have a source?

One of the guys at the campus mailroom was leaving for a Tea Party just as I showed up to pick up a package. I suggested my idea to him, and he liked it.

That those involved in the original Boston Teaparty dressed up as Mohawks?

Yeah, but since then, the symbolism has shifted a bit. I think there's something else most people would think of first.

The tears are just streaming down my face as I think of the plight of those poor, marginalized upper-middle class Republicans. Those poor people, barely scraping by, and ONLY getting a tax cut and a $800 tax credit. Why won't someone think of their problems?

I need to attend a job fair today (damned housing bubble bursting and leaving this poor draftsman out of work), but I will eventually be at the tea party.

It's a conspiracy, I tell you!!! The job fair was PLANNED for today so the tea party would seem smaller!!! :p

The tears are just streaming down my face as I think of the plight of those poor, marginalized upper-middle class Republicans. Those poor people, barely scraping by, and ONLY getting a tax cut and a $800 tax credit. Why won't someone think of their problems?

It is not the tax cut, it is the spending.

We are in such deep debt right now that we will have to pay it off sometime. Guess which generation is going to pay for it? Mine, the one that is currently in school right now.

I have quite the stake in this.

It is not the tax cut, it is the spending.

We are in such deep debt right now that we will have to pay it off sometime. Guess which generation is going to pay for it? Mine, the one that is currently in school right now.

I have quite the stake in this.

So why the blatant hypocrisy? Where were you when Bush was spending trillions of dollars like a Beverly Hills teenage girl? Why the sudden concern over government spending on social programs with real, tangible benefits?

It's petulant and childish and it shows what poor losers these people really are. To even implicate that their "struggle" against the "unfair taxation" is in any way analogous to the REAL taxation without representation that our Founding Fathers protested against is absurd and arrogant to the extreme.

If this was really about out of control government spending, these protests would have been taking place all the way back to 2003. The fact that it's suddenly a problem says to me that it's all entirely partisan, despite claims to the contrary.

Yeah! No taxation without representation!

Oh, wait....

What else would you expect from the media?


Yeah, fucking media. I mean, its not like the participants themselves called themselves "teabaggers" or anything.

Oh shit, wait, they did.

I love this. I love the rich whining about taxation, when theyre going to be paying ten points less then they were under Reagan.

I also love that most of these tools out there 'protesting' are getting a tax cut.

Please excuse me if I dont take your little astroturf teabagging party seriously.

I agree, KoL. It's a circus. If they really want drive home the message, they should all drive up to the "party" in one miniature van and all come pouring out like clowns (no offense, LG).

I agree, KoL. It's a circus. If they really want drive home the message, they should all drive up to the "party" in one miniature van and all come pouring out like clowns (no offense, LG).

I have more respect for clowns and circus freaks then these children. Hell, I have more respect for children then these people.


Seriously, you dont 'lack representation' in the way the colonials did when you lose a god damned election.

I agree, KoL. It's a circus. If they really want drive home the message, they should all drive up to the "party" in one miniature van and all come pouring out like clowns (no offense, LG).

If they pulled up to the protest all packed into one vehicle, people might mistake it for an immigration rally, though. Don't want bystanders getting confused, do we?

If they pulled up to the protest all packed into one vehicle, people might mistake it for an immigration rally, though. Don't want bystanders getting confused, do we?

Okay, okay. I chuckled, Ill give you that.

No, there never was/is.

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/

Oh Jesus fucking Christ not that piece of shit. Inability to make a coherent point and the blatant objectification of women aside, it's poorly drawn, poorly written, and poorly formatted.

If they pulled up to the protest all packed into one vehicle, people might mistake it for an immigration rally, though. Don't want bystanders getting confused, do we?

Okay, okay. I chuckled, Ill give you that.

I didn't chuckle.

I did feel a slight, brief, warm flush of wry irony considering the context of the joke, but that was about it.

You know what would be great? If they had the tax protest, and then followed it up the next day with a protest over the national deficit.

2:00, gets real good from 3:20 to the end http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwdOwgD5OsY

Seriously, you dont 'lack representation' in the way the colonials did when you lose a god damned election.

i, for one, am glad that they have finally seen the light on the inherently anti-democratic nature of either a) running solely on first past the post elections instead of including at least some form of proportional representation somewhere or b) not giving our various territories voting rights, and look forward to working with them to end such injustices.

Yeah, fucking media. I mean, its not like the participants themselves called themselves "teabaggers" or anything.

Oh shit, wait, they did.

they are republicans they dont know that means anything sexual.

I have more respect for clowns and circus freaks then these children. Hell, I have more respect for children then these people.


Seriously, you dont 'lack representation' in the way the colonials did when you lose a god damned election.

That's not what we're protesting about. We are protesting over the fact that all the politicians have failed us. The GOP was worse in many ways, as they are supposed to be the conservatives!

Yeah, fucking media. I mean, its not like the participants themselves called themselves "teabaggers" or anything.

Oh shit, wait, they did.

:D Indeed.

A cyber-associate is a big time repub. She suggested we all teabag congress. She stopped talking to me after I explained what that meant :D

If you can come up with a solution to this crisis without sending us into depression, I'd love to hear it. And no, letting the banks fail and causing the complete collapse of the credit markets will not satisfy the stated parameters.

No seriously. Find me a solution to the rampant greed and corruption plaguing the corporate market while simultaneously invigorating the nation's economy without imposing stricter controls on the corporate institutions or infusing said economy with cash, and I will come to your house and personally give you a fucking cookie.

And what I LOVE is the fact that many of the people attending these TEA parties will most likely be getting a tax CUT next year from the Obama administration they hate so much.

So stow the neo-con, O'Reily-esque bullshit. Even Obama is disgusted by how much he has to spend to fix the mess the Republicans put us in. Sit down, shut up, and let the smart people do the job you should have.

I would think better of these petulant tea parties if they were actually organized by the citizens themselves. The entire shindig is astroturfing in the extreme. No 'popular' movement is hypercommercialized as these little protests are. Get back to me when you're entire movement is predicated on the whims of shady wealthy businessmen.

Christ at least Ron Paul wackos were legitimate grassroots.

If you can come up with a solution to this crisis without sending us into depression, I'd love to hear it. And no, letting the banks fail and causing the complete collapse of the credit markets will not satisfy the stated parameters.

No seriously. Find me a solution to the rampant greed and corruption plaguing the corporate market while simultaneously invigorating the nation's economy without imposing stricter controls on the corporate institutions or infusing said economy with cash, and I will come to your house and personally give you a fucking cookie.

And what I LOVE is the fact that many of the people attending these TEA parties will most likely be getting a tax CUT next year from the Obama administration they hate so much.

So stow the neo-con bullshit. Even Obama is disgusted by how much he has to spend to fix the mess the Republicans put us in. Sit down, shut up, and let the smart people do the job you should have.

The spending will never decrease though. That's the point. He's not going to cut the budget, no politician is going to cut the spending. We're going to have to pay for it eventually. That's where the tax is going to be, and it's going to be massive.

I'd get fitted for your tinfoil hat then.

And yes. We will have to pay for this eventually. Luckily, however, it will be the super wealthy who sat on their yachts mocking the people they swindled that end up paying for the stimulus with their pocket change.

And yes I am exaggerating, but it gets the point across.

I'd get fitted for your tinfoil hat then.

And yes. We will have to pay for this eventually. Luckily, however, it will be the super wealthy who sat on their yachts mocking the people they swindled that end up paying for the stimulus with their pocket change.

And yes I am exaggerating, but it gets the point across.

No, it won't just be the super wealthy.

Because an $11 trillion dollar debt does not get paid for by just the wealthy. That's not enough. Everyone's going to have to pay for it.

Well, I'm headed to the tea party. I'll tell you guys all about it after I get back from watching the Pittsburgh Penguins game with my friends at Buffalo Wild Wings after the tea party.

It is not the tax cut, it is the spending.

We are in such deep debt right now that we will have to pay it off sometime. Guess which generation is going to pay for it? Mine, the one that is currently in school right now.

I have quite the stake in this.
I'm not sure that's how national debt actually works. For most of US history there's been a national debt, the level now is far from being the worst it's ever been. And most of the money is not leaving the country, I think about a quarter of it is owed to foreign countries. The rest is owed to American businesses and individuals.
So, unless the government defaults (which would require something on the scale of a civil war), no group ever has to pay it off.

That's not what we're protesting about.
some of your friends seem to disagree, as that chant has been taken up in a number of tea-bagging parties and has shown up on various signs and such.

Guys, please let's not forget that since January, the Federal Government has spent more money than during all the terms of all the previous Presidents COMBINED.
This is why I can't talk to you anymore.
I've asked you before and never gotten an answer, but I'll try again: do you make up this crap yourself, or do you have some source that feeds you this stuff, a source that you keep on trusting even though everything you're told turns out to be false?

Guys, please let's not forget that since January, the Federal Government has spent more money than during all the terms of all the previous Presidents COMBINED.

So, I started by adding up all the government expenditures for every year since 1776. I then adjusted for inflation. I then began adding up the tot-

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This is why I can't talk to you anymore.
I've asked you before and never gotten an answer, but I'll try again: do you make up this crap yourself, or do you have some source that feeds you this stuff, a source that you keep on trusting even though everything you're told turns out to be false?

I can vouch for 'Neo Bretonnia' not making it up. I saw the same claim on O'Reilly.

Guys, please let's not forget that since January, the Federal Government has spent more money than during all the terms of all the previous Presidents COMBINED. In 8 years and two wars Bush didn't even come close to the massive amount of money this Congress has been throwing around.



For that to be the Deficit would have to be higher then the 2008 national Debt.
It is not.

For that to be the Deficit would have to be higher then the 2008 national Debt.
It is not.
It's an interesting juxtaposition where Obama promises (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/feb/23/obama-pledges-slash-deficit----after-increase/) to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term, to $530 billion, and the CBO estimates (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090320/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_budget) that he's going to create a deficit of over $9 TRILLION over the next decade.

Who's right? I'll bet against the politician every time.

Who's right? I'll bet against the politician every time hes not my guy.

Fixed.

It's an interesting juxtaposition where Obama promises (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/feb/23/obama-pledges-slash-deficit----after-increase/) to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term, to $530 billion, and the CBO estimates (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090320/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_budget) that he's going to create a deficit of over $9 TRILLION over the next decade.

Who's right? I'll bet against the politician every time.
I don't think you can create a deficit over a decade. A deficit just means spending in a year more money than you take in (during that year). I agree that Obama will probably add to the national debt, and I'm skeptical he will halve the deficit (but hopeful).

I don't think you can create a deficit over a decade. A deficit just means spending in a year more money than you take in (during that year). I agree that Obama will probably add to the national debt, and I'm skeptical he will have the deficit (but hopeful).

Myrmi consitantly demonstrates that he confuses "deficit" and "debt".

Whether he does this on purpose via intellectual dishonesty, I cant say.

Myrmi consitantly demonstrates that he confuses "deficit" and "debt".

Whether he does this on purpose via intellectual dishonesty, I cant say.
I don't think he does; they are kind of arbitrary terms and are often used in newspapers and radio as if they were interchangeable. But there is a big difference, not least being that a president can't really be blamed for a national debt, as it's been there since Washington. (Although I think Jackson might have brought it to zero. We should get him re-elected.)

I don't think he does

I must respectfully disagree. If there is one thing Myrmi knows, its money.

That and we've corrected him on his 'confusion' several times.

Add to that how Myrmi is consitantly intellectually dishonest...

Im going with intellectual dishonesty.

I must respectfully disagree. If there is one thing Myrmi knows, its money.

That and we've corrected him on his 'confusion' several times.

Add to that how Myrmi is consitantly intellectually dishonest...

Im going with intellectual dishonesty.
I don't know much about the poster, so I can't really have an opinion. Is he an accountant?

While the intent behind the tea parties is good, the double standard shown by many of its participants (not necessarily you, HP, but many others) is disturbing. Where was the outrage over Bush's profligate spending, his usurpations of civil liberties, his fanatically belligerent foreign policy, and the rapid escalation of statism and centralization during his presidency?

Many of the people opposing Obama (again, not necessarily you) are only opposing his policies because he is a Democrat. If Bush were the one implementing them, they would greet said policies with either tacit or open approval.

I know you won't but you should really watch Glenn Becks show. He doesnt give a rats backside what party you belong to, he calls everyone out and in person if they let him.

Just saying.

It's an interesting juxtaposition where Obama promises (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/feb/23/obama-pledges-slash-deficit----after-increase/) to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term, to $530 billion, and the CBO estimates (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090320/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_budget) that he's going to create a deficit of over $9 TRILLION over the next decade.

Who's right? I'll bet against the politician every time.

This would be the same CBO that said: "CBO does not expect the slowdown in economic growth to be large enough to register as a recession", right?

The right-wing asshats gathering in one place to piss and moan is no different from the shouting from the sidelines. They still sound like and ARE ignorant jackasses and they are still wrong. The end.

Yes, Tax Day is upon us. I know many of you will find my decision to be foolish, but I will be attending my city's local tea party. Have fun hanging out with traitors.


It's nothing against Obama personally, I'm just sick of the massive spending. Bush had already caused so much damage, why spend more? Sure it is, where were the Tea parties when BUSH was in office?

It's okay to massively spend as long as YOU don't have to pay for it.


This isn't about the GOP to me, it's about my country. I am just concerned about it, and I want my voice to be heard. Then find a better way than hanging out with people who openly want a civil war.

And what "Tax" are you protesting? The NORMAL tax rate that we used to have? The smoking tax? Grow your own smoke if it bothers you so much.

I know you won't but you should really watch Glenn Becks show. He doesnt give a rats backside what party you belong to, he calls everyone out and in person if they let him.

Just saying.
too bad he is insane.

Well, I'm headed to the tea party. I'll tell you guys all about it after I get back from watching the Pittsburgh Penguins game with my friends at Buffalo Wild Wings after the tea party.
good luck at your rally.

please give us your impressions when you get back.

i hope youre taking photos.

Yes, Tax Day is upon us. I know many of you will find my decision to be foolish, but I will be attending my city's local tea party.

It's nothing against Obama personally, I'm just sick of the massive spending. Bush had already caused so much damage, why spend more?

This isn't about the GOP to me, it's about my country. I am just concerned about it, and I want my voice to be heard.

That's all I had to say, have a Happy Tax Day! (Well, if there ever was such thing as a "Happy Tax Day")

so... are you going to be a teabagger? :tongue:


I love tax day. getting a refund!

It's an interesting juxtaposition where Obama promises (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/feb/23/obama-pledges-slash-deficit----after-increase/) to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term, to $530 billion, and the CBO estimates (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090320/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_budget) that he's going to create a deficit of over $9 TRILLION over the next decade.

Who's right? I'll bet against the politician every time.

quibbles about debt vs deficit aside, i'm not sure i follow how those two things are even necessarily contradictory.

quibbles about debt vs deficit aside, i'm not sure i follow how those two things are even necessarily contradictory.
Well, maybe I misunderstand, but doesn't Obama promise to have a budget deficit of $530 billion by 2012 and doesn't the CBO state that the budget deficit will be over 9 trillion by 2018? That's the difference between a sustainable budget deficit and an unsustainable budget deficit -- the second figure is about 18 times higher than the second.

Or do you think that it's okay to promise and notionally achieve a half trillion dollar deficit in four years, only to let things go to the point where the budget deficit rises to 18 times that in the next six years?

Unsustainable budget deficits are bad things. Think 20% mortgage interest rates, 30% credit card interest rates. Bad, bad, bad...

Well, maybe I misunderstand, but doesn't Obama promise to have a budget deficit of $530 billion by 2012 and doesn't the CBO state that the budget deficit will be over 9 trillion by 2018? That's the difference between a sustainable budget deficit and an unsustainable budget deficit -- the second figure is about 18 times higher than the second.

Or do you think that it's okay to promise and notionally achieve a half trillion dollar deficit in four years, only to let things go to the point where the budget deficit rises to 18 times that in the next six years?

Unsustainable budget deficits are bad things. Think 20% mortgage interest rates, 30% credit card interest rates. Bad, bad, bad...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deficit
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/debt

Unsustainable budget deficits are bad things. Think 20% mortgage interest rates, 30% credit card interest rates. Bad, bad, bad...

Since failing to fix this crisis will mean no one will have mortgages, and no one will be paying on their credit cards, no one is going to care.

Fix it, whatever the cost... or it's not going to matter. That's what the people are forgetting, that are pretending to have come to some considered opinion about how we don't need to spend so much.

I know you won't but you should really watch Glenn Becks show. He doesnt give a rats backside what party you belong to, he calls everyone out and in person if they let him.

Just saying.

BUWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Glenn Beck is one of the most partisan, uninformed, idiotic hacks ever to have a TV show. Hes on the same level as O'riely and Hannity.


I have more respect for people like the Osbornes who get TV shows then I do Glenn Beck.

Well, maybe I misunderstand, but doesn't Obama promise to have a budget deficit of $530 billion by 2012 and doesn't the CBO state that the budget deficit will be over 9 trillion by 2018? That's the difference between a sustainable budget deficit and an unsustainable budget deficit -- the second figure is about 18 times higher than the second.

By CBO's calculation, Obama's budget would generate deficits averaging almost $1 trillion a year of red ink over 2010-2019.
thus says your own article.

thus says your own article.

I think he is swapping deficit and Natl debt again.

BUWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Glenn Beck is one of the most partisan, uninformed, idiotic hacks ever to have a TV show. Hes on the same level as O'riely and Hannity.


Actually, having heard him on the radio recently, I get the feeling that he's actually more in the "Unhinged-psychotic" grouping nowadays.

Actually, having heard him on the radio recently, I get the feeling that he's actually more in the "Unhinged-psychotic" grouping nowadays.

So he's joined Team Lou Dobbs then?

I attended my local Tea Party, along with thousands of others. Believe it, this is just the beginning. And God willing, it's the beginning of the end of the present oppressive tax system, along with the Obammunist power grab.

So he's joined Team Lou Dobbs then?

Yes'ms. Although, I suspect Dobbs does a better job of not coming across as an insane person, if you don't listen to his content. When I listened to him on the radio, I expected Glenn Beck to melt down into a pile of tears, or ramp up into incoherent shrieking. I could practically see him with crazy-mussed up hair, wild eyes, seven different flannel shirts and no pants.

I attended my local Tea Party, along with thousands of others. Believe it, this is just the beginning. And God willing, it's the beginning of the end of the present oppressive tax system, along with the Obammunist power grab.

What would you consider to be a non-oppressive tax system?

Just like every other instance of deficit spending in the past century, it's going to do jack shit to benefit the economy. All it does is cause inflation...of course, Obama might have the balls to actually raise taxes to balance the budget like back in the 1990's, but considering he's inherently just another career politician it's unlikely that there will be much in the way of progress on that front unless economic reality starts bashing us on the head.

Nobody's quite explained to me where we're going to get the money considering how saturated the global economy is with US treasury debt, not to mention all the other debt hitting the markets as other countries implement their "stimulus" packages. Japan's reward for heavy deficit spending has been 20 years of mediocre, even stagnant economic growth and heavy corruption, so I don't know if that's a path we want to follow.

I attended my local Tea Party, along with thousands of others. Believe it, this is just the beginning. And God willing, it's the beginning of the end of the present oppressive tax system, along with the Obammunist power grab.

It's going to do nothing. Just a bunch of simpletons saying "look everybody we are protesting!!!! LOOK!!!!! AINT IT COOL!"

So what is more effective, 100000 teabaggers or 100000 people filing lawsuits against the government?

I attended my local Tea Party, along with thousands of others. Believe it, this is just the beginning. And God willing, it's the beginning of the end of the present oppressive tax system, along with the Obammunist power grab.
You're right, the tax system is unfair. We've really let up on the rich people, giving them kajillions in tax breaks and loopholes over the years. One percent of the country pays 28% of the federal taxes and owns 40% of everything.

That isn't fair. We should do something about that.

Have fun hanging out with traitors.

I'm sorry but just because you disagree with us does not make us traitors.
Many conservatives said the same thing about liberals during the early stages of the Iraq War, it was low to do that then and it is low to do that now.

The Tea Party in Omaha went very well (A few pictures were taken by my friend who I met there, but they haven't been posted yet.)

Roughly 700-800 people were there. Nothing special, but a decent turnout.

There were some things I agreed with them on (Lower the spending), some I didn't (One guy called out Obama on his birth certificate, although it was hard to hear what he was saying. I immediately /facepalmed. I don't care if you disagree with Obama, but the man's an American citizen.)

It was a perfect day for the protest, had to be about 65 degrees (Farhenheit, for those of you from the UK) and sunny.

I brought my copy of the Federalist with me and talked to people about it. If a conservative truly wants to win an argument, he/she must read the great documents of our history, not just argue from the gut.

Oh, and on Glenn Beck, interesting story. I met him once during his Christmas tour. He actually mentioned me on the radio the next day. You see, he had his Team More-on Trivia (He uses More-on Trivia to predict Monday Night Football games) and I just cleaned house. This was about 4 years ago. I've also had my picture in his magazine. He used to not talk about politics as much as just about everyday life. You need to listen to some of his comedy bits, he's actually very good at it.

Very nice guy. I prefer his show over the other conservative talk show hosts.

The tears are just streaming down my face as I think of the plight of those poor, marginalized upper-middle class Republicans. Those poor people, barely scraping by, and ONLY getting a tax cut and a $800 tax credit. Why won't someone think of their problems?

Pretty cute strawman. Or, it would be cute if it were true. Unfortunately, it's not. The vast majority of people at the tea party I went to were average people. Very diverse group, ranging from paleoconservatives to libertarians to anarcho-capitalists. Each was middle- or lower-class. The idea that only the wealthy are opposed to parasitism is, frankly, downright laughable.

You're right, the tax system is unfair. We've really let up on the rich people, giving them kajillions in tax breaks and loopholes over the years. One percent of the country pays 28% of the federal taxes and owns 40% of everything.

That isn't fair. We should do something about that.
(And let me emphasize: That's federal. State and local taxes, which tend to be much more sales and consumption based, and to not be progressive at all, fall even less heavily - proportionately - on the wealthy.)

I also love that most of these tools out there 'protesting' are getting a tax cut.

Massah is allowing me to keep a few more bread crumbs? I feel better already!

Sure it is, where were the Tea parties when BUSH was in office?

I was wondering the same thing, actually.

I was wondering the same thing, actually.

Yeah, we should have protested. I admit that fault with great regret for our foolish mistake in Bush.

BUWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Glenn Beck is one of the most partisan, uninformed, idiotic hacks ever to have a TV show. Hes on the same level as O'riely and Hannity.


I have more respect for people like the Osbornes who get TV shows then I do Glenn Beck.

That's really unfair. Don't ever compare anyone to Hannity. No one - no one - is that stupid.

Yeah, we should have protested. I admit that fault with great regret for our foolish mistake in Bush.

I never supported Bush. Had there been tea parties during his presidency, as well there should have been, I would have attended them, too.

That's really unfair. Don't ever compare anyone to Hannity. No one - no one - is that stupid.

Rush Limbaugh is easily as stupid as Hannity. Glenn Beck is just craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy.

Rush Limbaugh is easily as stupid as Hannity. Glenn Beck is just craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy.

Nah, Glenn isn't crazy. He actually researches pretty well. He used to be much calmer, and really focused on the everyday more than politics.

I do miss the old Glenn Beck.

Rush Limbaugh is easily as stupid as Hannity. Glenn Beck is just craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy.

Nah Rush can actually spout something that sounds intelligent every once in awhile. Hannity is just a low grade moron.

Rush Limbaugh is easily as stupid as Hannity. Glenn Beck is just craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy.

Hannity makes Limbaugh look like Einstein.

Nah Rush can actually spout something that sounds intelligent every once in awhile.

Purely by coincidence.

Purely by coincidence.

You know I am not going to continue this. We are arguing which idiot is dumber then the other idiot. ;-)

It's going to do nothing. Just a bunch of simpletons saying "look everybody we are protesting!!!! LOOK!!!!! AINT IT COOL!"

I think that's pretty much characteristic of every protest for every issue in the last twenty years.

I think that's pretty much characteristic of every protest for every issue in the last twenty years.

I don't know about every one. But there are many that are. I remember a couple at Berkeley over animal testing and the first Iraq war. It felt like it was protesting because it's cool than people serious about the cause. There were many that were but the majority? It just didn't seem like it. Seemed like more of a reason to skip class.....

I think I'll buy a brown overcoat. There's a sale at this idependent shop at the local mall.

While the intent behind the tea parties is good, the double standard shown by many of its participants (not necessarily you, HP, but many others) is disturbing. Where was the outrage over Bush's profligate spending, his usurpations of civil liberties, his fanatically belligerent foreign policy, and the rapid escalation of statism and centralization during his presidency?

Many of the people opposing Obama (again, not necessarily you) are only opposing his policies because he is a Democrat. If Bush were the one implementing them, they would greet said policies with either tacit or open approval.

1 party with 2 faces

Nah Rush can actually spout something that sounds intelligent every once in awhile. Hannity is just a low grade moron.

Even a broken watch tells the correct time twice per day.

Even a broken watch tells the correct time twice per day.
Not if it's a 24 hour piece, or includes days of the week, or has hands in an impossible position, or is blinking 18:88, or has a powered display and no battery...

I think I'll buy a brown overcoat. There's a sale this idependent shop at the local mall.

I wonder if anyone else will get it?

Well, I went to the local tea party event. Some of the people there were out to protest Obama, but most of the crowd was just as mad at the mess caused by Bush as they were at the continued spending under Obama. We're in deep shit right now. The national debt is climbing exponentially. The Fed is creating millions upon millions of new dollars backed by nothing of substance, and this will inevitably cause massive inflation. Congress and the President are nationalizing financial institutions and auto companies. The economy is crumbling, and the solutions we are given seem short-sighted and mostly ineffectual. The current administration is not offering change - it's building on the foundation laid by Bush, and we're tired of the tyranny.

Read the book linked in my sig.

Actually, I was hoping we would have "Beer parties" instead. Much more people would show up if we did that.

I might even go if that happens.

Not if it's a 24 hour piece, or includes days of the week, or has hands in an impossible position, or is blinking 18:88, or has a powered display and no battery...

*Shoots TJ*

And now...

Number one...

The larch.

I might even go if that happens.

Better yet, a Cachaça Party. :D

Shit, I'd go to that even if it was a communist rally. :p

For me, fox news and the republicans are just turning into a bunch of panzies.

Democrats arn't great, but at least we can be smart enough to realize that military spending only benefits you when you have a large threat, and money has to come from somewhere to pay for schools and such like that.

If any has been watching, stocks haven't gone down lately and obama has been in office for only a few months. the dow was up 109 points today. Quite honestly, I think we just needed to have a government that acted a little bit unified and confident.

I think that many of the jobs that obama will create won't be filled. Why? cause were damn lazy. I'd fill em, but I wanna go into the air force, lol (nothing says spending tax payers money like the air force and the f-22)

I attended my local Tea Party, along with thousands of others. Believe it, this is just the beginning. And God willing, it's the beginning of the end of the present oppressive tax system, along with the Obammunist power grab.Really?
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-rightwing-extremists16-2009apr16,0,5094675.story
Purely by coincidence, it happened to be you that this fits.

For me, fox news and the republicans are just turning into a bunch of panzies.

Democrats arn't great, but at least we can be smart enough to realize that military spending only benefits you when you have a large threat, and money has to come from somewhere to pay for schools and such like that.

If any has been watching, stocks haven't gone down lately and obama has been in office for only a few months. the dow was up 109 points today. Quite honestly, I think we just needed to have a government that acted a little bit unified and confident.

I think that many of the jobs that obama will create won't be filled. Why? cause were damn lazy. I'd fill em, but I wanna go into the air force, lol (nothing says spending tax payers money like the air force and the f-22)

A lot of non- (and even anti-)Republicans attended these parties.

While the intent behind the tea parties is good, the double standard shown by many of its participants (not necessarily you, HP, but many others) is disturbing. Where was the outrage over Bush's profligate spending, his usurpations of civil liberties, his fanatically belligerent foreign policy, and the rapid escalation of statism and centralization during his presidency?

Many of the people opposing Obama (again, not necessarily you) are only opposing his policies because he is a Democrat. If Bush were the one implementing them, they would greet said policies with either tacit or open approval.

Thread was over by post #2.

I love this. I love the rich whining about taxation, when theyre going to be paying ten points less then they were under Reagan.

I also love that most of these tools out there 'protesting' are getting a tax cut.

Please excuse me if I dont take your little astroturf teabagging party seriously.

Bingo.

If they pulled up to the protest all packed into one vehicle, people might mistake it for an immigration rally, though. Don't want bystanders getting confused, do we?

I lol'd.

I'm sorry but just because you disagree with us does not make us traitors.
Many conservatives said the same thing about liberals during the early stages of the Iraq War, it was low to do that then and it is low to do that now.

*snip the report from Omaha, and thanks*

The irony, it burns.

I wonder if anyone else will get it?Nope.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/15/nasa_node_3_named_tranquility/
NASA's node-naming campaign asked its online audience to vote for the module's new name by choosing one of four NASA-approved options (Earthrise, Legacy, Serenity, Venture)
:(

A lot of non- (and even anti-)Republicans attended these parties.

People keep saying that... and yet almost all the placards were anti-Obama or anti-Democrat... which suggests that the crowds (who were largely motivated by Fox) conformed heavily to far rightwing archetypes, which basically means Republicans.

Sure, there might have been some right-leaning Independents there. There might even have been some Democrats - but trying to claim it was a bipartisan event is like trying to claim a turd as fruit salad because it's got a cherry in it.

I attended my local Tea Party, along with thousands of others. Believe it, this is just the beginning. And God willing, it's the beginning of the end of the present oppressive tax system, along with the Obammunist power grab.

Funny. You call an election a "power grab", you keep with the "Obammunist" thing, you claim to speak for much more than yourself.

Wait, did I say "funny"?

I meant "sad". Well, for you. It IS funny to see your movement squirm, powerlessly, like a fly that fell in the toilet water. The 2010 elections will be the flush.

I'm sorry but just because you disagree with us does not make us traitors.
Many conservatives said the same thing about liberals during the early stages of the Iraq War, it was low to do that then and it is low to do that now.

If you aren't one of said conservatives from back then, and, from you calling it low I don't think you are, then you earned my respect and on YOU I won't take revenge, but on THEM I will. They dished it out. I'll make sure they take it.

... which suggests that the crowds (who were largely motivated by Fox) conformed heavily to far rightwing archetypes, which basically means Republicans.

No it doesn't. 'Far right-wing' in America would have probably either the John Birch Society(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society) or the Constitution Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Party_(United_States)) as examples, neither of which are taken seriously or given much credence. As an ideal, 'far right-wing' is probably synonomous with 'fascism', which, despite what you may hear from the Daily Kos or Air America, is not synonomous with the Republican Party.

As an ideal, 'far right-wing' is probably synonomous with 'fascism', which, despite what you may hear from reality and/or their own publicity, is not synonomous with the Republican Party.
Fixed.
Seriously though, they're an embarrassment at BEST.
No dignity, no discipline, no integrity, no clue.

What would you consider to be a non-oppressive tax system?

One where the president was a Republican... :rolleyes:

Fixed. Seriously though, they're an embarrassment at BEST. No dignity, no discipline, no integrity, no clue.

That didn't need to fixed, it's not a dog. As for 'no dignity, no discipline, etc. etc.', while certainly applicable to the RNC as of late, it's hardly exclusive to them.

People keep saying that... and yet almost all the placards were anti-Obama or anti-Democrat... which suggests that the crowds (who were largely motivated by Fox) conformed heavily to far rightwing archetypes, which basically means Republicans.

Sure, there might have been some right-leaning Independents there. There might even have been some Democrats - but trying to claim it was a bipartisan event is like trying to claim a turd as fruit salad because it's got a cherry in it.

I didn't say it was a bipartisan event, only that many of the attendees - present company included - were non-Republicans (or in my case, an anti-Republican). Many of my friends that attended tea parties in other states are libertarians or market anarchists.

I didn't say it was a bipartisan event, only that many of the attendees - present company included - were non-Republicans (or in my case, an anti-Republican). Many of my friends that attended tea parties in other states are libertarians or market anarchists.
Well, of course. I expect a lot of the core Libertarian party supporters to show up. However - I don't know how closely you've been following discussions on the topic of "astroturf" - that's not the point. If the Libertarians were organized enough to put these sorts of things together, we should have been seeing them for quite a bit longer.

I see today's activities as a concerted attempt on the part of the Republican party (particularly, its subsidiary media organ, Fox News Channel) to reach out again to libertarians, who have been regularly snookered into supporting big-government religious wingnuts since 1980. As in 1993-1994, the Republicans will have an easier time pretending to be fans of small and non-intrusive government while out of power on the Federal level.

I see today's activities as a concerted attempt on the part of the Republican party (particularly, its subsidiary media organ, Fox News Channel) to reach out again to libertarians, who have been regularly snookered into supporting big-government religious wingnuts since 1980. As in 1993-1994, the Republicans will have an easier time pretending to be fans of small and non-intrusive government while out of power on the Federal level.

Indeed, numerous evidence of which is mentioned here....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/15/AR2009041503177.html?nav=hcmodule
Though I often disagree with European ideas on censorship, it has to be said that - insomuch as this kind of thing would result in Fox being removed from the air - I'd entirely agree here. It's insane to have a channel broadcasting under the pretence of no bias while operating editorially as a partisan agent.

Myrmi consitantly demonstrates that he confuses "deficit" and "debt".

Whether he does this on purpose via intellectual dishonesty, I cant say.
So I quit skimming and read that they're predicting a trillion a year -- 9 trillion by 2018. Still pretty bad and way off the promise of $500 billion. When the President's own budget adviser admits that the budgets are going to be unsustainable at 5% of the GDP, the President ought to back off and propose less.

Well, of course. I expect a lot of the core Libertarian party supporters to show up. However - I don't know how closely you've been following discussions on the topic of "astroturf" - that's not the point. If the Libertarians were organized enough to put these sorts of things together, we should have been seeing them for quite a bit longer.

I see today's activities as a concerted attempt on the part of the Republican party (particularly, its subsidiary media organ, Fox News Channel) to reach out again to libertarians, who have been regularly snookered into supporting big-government religious wingnuts since 1980. As in 1993-1994, the Republicans will have an easier time pretending to be fans of small and non-intrusive government while out of power on the Federal level.

There are certainly LP office holders. Not in national office, yet. Georgia has just two local office holders, Illinois has 11 statewide, California has 24. You have to start somewhere.

I stopped by a DC Teabagger Festival yesterday, and it was absolutely hilarious.

The top five themes I saw repeated over and over on signs and from protesters while I was there:

BOO ON TAXES!!

Sir, today you received a tax cut. You're going to be paying less in taxes than you were under Bush. If you're so mad now, why weren't you mad then?

BUT HIGHER TAXES ON THE RICH!!!

Ma'am, the rich are paying less than they did under Reagan.

OBAMA IS A FACIST/SOCIALIST!!!

Please make up your damn minds.

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!

Translation: Because I didn't vote for Obama, he's not really the president. Because I vote Republican and the Republicans lost in an overwhelmingly massive landslide, I shouldn't have to pay my taxes. Would you like to listen to me explain how being a sore loser and a big fat crybaby are Conservative Values?

I'M REALLY FUCKING RACIST!!!!

About 25% of the signs I saw used sneering hip-hop language (the most popular), black face, lynching imagery, "boy" in reference to Obama (also popular), or other blatantly racist content.

No, the majority were not racist. But there were a really impressive number of VISIBLE racists wandering around. I honestly didn't expect there to be quite so many of them, because I figured even teabaggers must understand that kind of shit is bad for their image. Of course, given how strongly the teabagging movement is supported by White Supremacist groups (just check out Stormfront forums if you don't believe me), I guess maybe they can't afford to tell the racists to put a sock in it.


Over all, it wasn't scary or anything, it was just silly. A bunch of white middle class suckers who are protesting...something. Some of them think it's about taxes. Some think it's about "big government." (Neither of which they were protesting when their taxes were higher and the government was being expanded more rapidly than has ever happened before). Some think it's about Obama not having a birth certificate (still). Some are there because they're mad about "card check" or immigration or gay marriage. Basically, the Tea Party was a rally for every right-wing view that the majority of Americans don't agree with.

Most of the protesters were in a good mood, and I didn't see anybody do anything out of line in terms of rowdiness.

Massah is allowing me to keep a few more bread crumbs? I feel better already!

See, when you say shit like this, I dismiss you as a crank.

You are getting a fucking tax cut, for crying out loud! You yell, "Our taxes are too high!" The government lowers your taxes. And then you start yelling that you're being treated like a slave.

There's a word for that. Actually, there are several words for it, but the one I'm thinking of at the moment is "stupid."

Also, by the way, as Bottle pointed out, blatant racists have been jumping on your totally even-handed, non-partisan, so-totally-just-about-taxes bandwagon like its the party they've been waiting for all their lives. Your choice to use a word that mimicks a stereotypical black accent from the days of slavery in the US does nothing to encourage the impression that you guys are not in agreement with them.

Nope.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/15/nasa_node_3_named_tranquility/

:(

WHAT!?!?!?!?!? Those bastards at NASA... If they didn't pick Colbert the least they could do was pick Serenity... not # 8 on their list...... *Wish I remembered which one I voted for

I attended my local Tea Party, along with thousands of others. Believe it, this is just the beginning. And God willing, it's the beginning of the end of the present oppressive tax system, along with the Obammunist power grab.
c'mon, DETAILS!

where did you go? who else was there? what was the coolest thing you saw said or done? were there speakers? activities?

DETAILS!

The Tea Party in Omaha went very well (A few pictures were taken by my friend who I met there, but they haven't been posted yet.)

please provide a link if they do get posted.



Roughly 700-800 people were there. Nothing special, but a decent turnout.

There were some things I agreed with them on (Lower the spending), some I didn't (One guy called out Obama on his birth certificate, although it was hard to hear what he was saying. I immediately /facepalmed. I don't care if you disagree with Obama, but the man's an American citizen.)


what was the best thing you heard said? did you have a favorite sign? was anyone wearing teabags? did you hear or see other things that made you shake your head?

Funny, I've never been stressed on tax day, and occaisionally it has worked out that I've gotten my refund back on that day, so I have had happy tax days.

Thats because you dont pay taxes, you get them all returned. Try writing a $10,000 check to the IRS then another 5,000 to your state. Ugh. Do that, then youve earned the right to join a tea party or two.

It kills me that half the people protesting dont earn enough to actually pay taxes and get most of their money refunded at the end of the year.

c'mon, DETAILS!

where did you go? who else was there? what was the coolest thing you saw said or done? were there speakers? activities?

DETAILS!

Do we want to hear details from him?

Thats because you dont pay taxes, you get them all returned. Try writing a $10,000 check to the IRS then another 5,000 to your state. Ugh. Do that, then youve earned the right to join a tea party or two.

It kills me that half the people protesting dont earn enough to actually pay taxes and get most of their money refunded at the end of the year.
I figure you get paid on 1099's if you're writing checks that big. A lot of us still pay a bunch and it's far more insidious to have it all withheld. And it's a lot more than $10K in my case...

In any event, income taxation is something that grossly offended the Framers and it offends me. Overtaxation is even worse. We need to get control of our Congress and these protests are a little start.

Do we want to hear details from him?
yes.

very much.

Do we want to hear details from him?

Our protest in Atlanta might have been the biggest of the bunch. The downtown was crowded -- I heard it estimated that between 15,000 and 20,000 people showed up. The thing that struck me immediately was that it wasn't all just 'rich, old, white men' that were attending. Attendance was multi-ethnic, multi-racial, and bi-partisan. I saw union workers, too. The one thing I didn't see was anyone protesting a multi-racial President. Just his policies.

You need to listen to some of his comedy bits, he's actually very good at it.
I was always under the impression that his show was his comedy bit.
I attended my local Tea Party, along with thousands of others.
I believe you.:rolleyes:
Believe it, this is just the beginning.
Of that, I had no doubt.
And God willing, it's the beginning of the end of the present oppressive tax system, along with the Obammunist power grab.
Were you protesting when Reagan had the rich paying ten points more then they will be under Obama?
I stopped by a DC Teabagger Festival yesterday, and it was absolutely hilarious.

The top five themes I saw repeated over and over on signs and from protesters while I was there:

BOO ON TAXES!!

Sir, today you received a tax cut. You're going to be paying less in taxes than you were under Bush. If you're so mad now, why weren't you mad then?

BUT HIGHER TAXES ON THE RICH!!!

Ma'am, the rich are paying less than they did under Reagan.

OBAMA IS A FACIST/SOCIALIST!!!

Please make up your damn minds.

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!

Translation: Because I didn't vote for Obama, he's not really the president. Because I vote Republican and the Republicans lost in an overwhelmingly massive landslide, I shouldn't have to pay my taxes. Would you like to listen to me explain how being a sore loser and a big fat crybaby are Conservative Values?

I'M REALLY FUCKING RACIST!!!!

About 25% of the signs I saw used sneering hip-hop language (the most popular), black face, lynching imagery, "boy" in reference to Obama (also popular), or other blatantly racist content.

No, the majority were not racist. But there were a really impressive number of VISIBLE racists wandering around. I honestly didn't expect there to be quite so many of them, because I figured even teabaggers must understand that kind of shit is bad for their image. Of course, given how strongly the teabagging movement is supported by White Supremacist groups (just check out Stormfront forums if you don't believe me), I guess maybe they can't afford to tell the racists to put a sock in it.


Over all, it wasn't scary or anything, it was just silly. A bunch of white middle class suckers who are protesting...something. Some of them think it's about taxes. Some think it's about "big government." (Neither of which they were protesting when their taxes were higher and the government was being expanded more rapidly than has ever happened before). Some think it's about Obama not having a birth certificate (still). Some are there because they're mad about "card check" or immigration or gay marriage. Basically, the Tea Party was a rally for every right-wing view that the majority of Americans don't agree with.

Most of the protesters were in a good mood, and I didn't see anybody do anything out of line in terms of rowdiness.
Yeah, this is more or less what I expected.
...between 15,000 and 20,000 people showed up. The thing that struck me immediately was that it wasn't all just 'rich, old, white men' that were attending. Attendance was multi-ethnic, multi-racial, and bi-partisan. I saw union workers, too. The one thing I didn't see was anyone protesting a multi-racial President. Just his policies.
This is my believing face.

But to be fair Myrmi, if you told me water was wet, Id probably seek an outside source for confirmation.

The best tea parties are those on the ceiling.

But to be fair Myrmi, if you told me water was wet, Id probably seek an outside source for confirmation.
I wouldn't try to persuade you that grass was green. But, interestingly enough, this isn't about you... We have got, or are trying to get the attention of those that matter. But continue to be self-absorbed and believe what you will...

I don't think the most important question has been asked:

Did anyone have a nice cup of tea at any of these parties?

Well there were "hundreds" at the DC party so "thousands" might not be impossible...
LInk (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/15/AR2009041500943.html?hpid=moreheadlines)
Though I got to admit that is some fairly funny stuff happening...(the tea truck not finding its permit, not the protestors)

Our protest in Atlanta might have been the biggest of the bunch. The downtown was crowded -- I heard it estimated that between 15,000 and 20,000 people showed up. The thing that struck me immediately was that it wasn't all just 'rich, old, white men' that were attending. Attendance was multi-ethnic, multi-racial, and bi-partisan. I saw union workers, too. The one thing I didn't see was anyone protesting a multi-racial President. Just his policies.
did you go to the one hosted by sean hannity?

I wouldn't try to persuade you that grass was green. But, interestingly enough, this isn't about you... We have got, or are trying to get the attention of those that matter. But continue to be self-absorbed and believe what you will...

Its interesting how you focused on the bit that made this about me/you, rather then any of my points.


I ask again: Where were the tea parties during the last eight years? Where were the teabaggers when the rich were paying ten points more under Reagan? Where have the calls of 'taxation without representation' been?

Face it. Its just a bunch of rich white conservatives being a bunch of sore losers. And being funded by a bunch of uber rich white guys crying that theyre now in the political minority.

Thats because you dont pay taxes, you get them all returned. Try writing a $10,000 check to the IRS then another 5,000 to your state. Ugh. Do that, then youve earned the right to join a tea party or two.

It kills me that half the people protesting dont earn enough to actually pay taxes and get most of their money refunded at the end of the year.

Most of their money? What are you talking about? A tax refund is a repayment of an overpayment of taxation that results from choosing lower amounts of withholding on one's W-4. The required tax amount was still paid. My refund was higher this year because I moved and was able to deduct much of those expenses. However, my refund was still only 15% of the tax I pad, and in normal (non-moving) years, it's closer to 5% or less.

My example may not be typical, but your assumption is way out of whack.

I don't think the most important question has been asked:

Did anyone have a nice cup of tea at any of these parties?
No, but I did see a few people wearing "tea hats." These were caps that had been decorated with tea bags.

Unfortunately, yesterday it rained in DC.

No, but I did see a few people wearing "tea hats." These were caps that had been decorated with tea bags.

Unfortunately, yesterday it rained in DC.
What a waste...

No, but I did see a few people wearing "tea hats." These were caps that had been decorated with tea bags.

Unfortunately, yesterday it rained in DC.

Delicious. Id have just stuck my tounge out.

What a waste...

Nah, it was probably Lipton.

Also, by the way, as Bottle pointed out, blatant racists have been jumping on your totally even-handed, non-partisan, so-totally-just-about-taxes bandwagon like its the party they've been waiting for all their lives. Your choice to use a word that mimicks a stereotypical black accent from the days of slavery in the US does nothing to encourage the impression that you guys are not in agreement with them.
Much as I'm enjoying being silly and joking around about the loser teabaggers who have bought in to this little corporate movement of theirs, I want to be clear that there's one thing I'm not joking about:

The Teabags are driven in large part by some of the most overt racism you will ever see. If you talk to 10 teabaggers, I would be willing to bet money that at least four of them will engage in the kind of thing you pointed out, Mura. They'll use "jive" slang, or mimic slave patois, or use hip-hop lingo, or any of a dozen other racist dog whistles.

I ask again: Where were the tea parties during the last eight years? Where were the teabaggers when the rich were paying ten points more under Reagan? Where have the calls of 'taxation without representation' been?

Still waiting Myrmi.


All though, considering who Im talking to, I dont know why.

Much as I'm enjoying being silly and joking around about the loser teabaggers who have bought in to this little corporate movement of theirs, I want to be clear that there's one thing I'm not joking about:

The Teabags are driven in large part by some of the most overt racism you will ever see. If you talk to 10 teabaggers, I would be willing to bet money that at least four of them will engage in the kind of thing you pointed out, Mura. They'll use "jive" slang, or mimic slave patois, or use hip-hop lingo, or any of a dozen other racist dog whistles.

No, no. No one is racist. Really. We're totally not partisan. And its totally not just about taxes. It just so happens that we only started to care once we were the political minority. Did we mention that the president is a n*gger/terrorist/muslim/wasnt born in America?


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I just realized something:

I typically have a cup of tea each day after I get home from work, while I sit and check my non-work email and goof off on my computer for a bit. Yesterday, after attending the teabagger party, I had my usual cup of tea and checked my email...to find a letter from the guy who does my taxes, in which he informs me that I actually don't have to pay any income tax for 2008.

Something about that is funny but I can't quite put my finger on what it is.

Nah, it was probably Lipton.
Won't anybody think of the tastebuds?

No, no. No one is racist. Really. We're totally not partisan. And its totally not just about taxes. It just so happens that we only started to care once we were the political minority. Did we mention that the president is a n*gger/terrorist/muslim/wasnt born in America?

I kind of wonder if the GOP is ever going to be a majority party again. I mean, the way they are leaping on board this teabagging train wreck, it seriously seems like they've decided that they represent only the 20% of dead-ender racists and religious nuts. Most of my Republican friends are absolutely nauseated by the Tea Party crap, and they're pissed as hell to hear that some of their GOP representatives in government are actually supporting the teabagging.

Most of my Republican friends are absolutely nauseated by the Tea Party crap, and they're pissed as hell to hear that some of their GOP representatives in government are actually supporting the teabagging.
Is there an official stance on the parties from the GOP?

...and they're pissed as hell to hear that some of their GOP representatives in government are actually supporting the teabagging.

Now now now...Im sure Republican representatives only support teabagging if its in a airport men's bathroom.




:D:D:D:D:D:D

Is there an official stance on the parties from the GOP?
Official from the GOP itself? Not that I know of. However...

-Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) has sponsored a bill to honor the protests.

The following folks were slated to appear at Tea Parties around the country. I don't know how many of them actually showed, though:
Former Rep. David Davis (R-TN), Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT), Rep. Rob Bishop (R-UT), Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-KS), Rep. John Fleming (R-LA), Rep. Ander Crenshaw (R-FL), Rep. Bob Latta (R-OH), Rep. John Shadegg (R-AZ), former Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ), Rep. Sue Myrick (R-NC), Rep. Bill Posey (R-FL), Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX), Gov. Mark Sanford (R-SC).

In addition, Rep. Denny Rehberg (R-MT), Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA), and Rep. Tom Rooney (R-FL) have been personally telling their constituents to attend tea party protests.

House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) and Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX) are also openly supporting the teabaggers. (http://gopleader.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=122552)

EDIT: My mistake, the GOP does officially endorse the teabaggers.

http://teaparty.gop.com/Default.aspx

I kind of wonder if the GOP is ever going to be a majority party again. I mean, the way they are leaping on board this teabagging train wreck, it seriously seems like they've decided that they represent only the 20% of dead-ender racists and religious nuts. Most of my Republican friends are absolutely nauseated by the Tea Party crap, and they're pissed as hell to hear that some of their GOP representatives in government are actually supporting the teabagging.

the purges can only go on so long before you wind up just being a non-competitive regional party. that's where they're at now. presumably, in a couple cycles (once the dems have been sitting over 60 senators for a couple years, pretty much), someone who isn't just a gimmicky hack will see that the repubs offer easy pickings on a nixonian path to power. but it's gonna be the dems' game to lose for quite some time in the legislature.

Umm... have you had your head buried under a rock for the last 5 years?

Where was the disapproval of Bush's policies? Everywhere.
Really?

You're telling me that the teabaggers who are currently shrieking about taxes and big government were out there in all the protests against Bush's policies?

Gonna be fun watching you support that.

Oh, but wait, you won't. Because you're trying the stupid bait-and-switch of claiming that because LIBERALS protested Bush's policies, somehow this means the RIGHT WING TEABAGGERS aren't giant goddam hypocrites for failing to protest taxes back when they were paying MORE under Bush.

Umm... have you had your head buried under a rock for the last 5 years?

Where was the disapproval of Bush's policies? Everywhere.

I dont recall all the teabaggers heading on out in mass protest.


In fact, what might of well of been the party line of the GOP was "Ignore those hippies" anytime someone protested.

And all the conservatives who are now out teabagging (God I LOVE that I can use that word as a verb and it still be politically relevent!) said in lockstep "Yeah, ignore those hippies".

EDIT: I still havent heard anyone tell me where the disapproval was for Reagan's 'socialist' taxes on the rich.

Funny, I've never been stressed on tax day, and occaisionally it has worked out that I've gotten my refund back on that day, so I have had happy tax days.

My wife and I filed on Jan 16th.

Needless to say our money (which was quite substantial) is long gone... but a large chunk of our debt is gone too, and that feels great!

I dont recall all the teabaggers heading on out in mass protest.


In fact, what might of well of been the party line of the GOP was "Ignore those hippies" anytime someone protested.

And all the conservatives who are now out teabagging (God I LOVE that I can use that word as a verb and it still be politically relevent!) said in lockstep "Yeah, ignore those hippies".

EDIT: I still havent heard anyone tell me where the disapproval was for Reagan's 'socialist' taxes on the rich.

Ah, I misread the post to which I was responding, which was part of the confusion. I thought they were suggesting that there was no opposition to Bush's policies.

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I registered there last week, and I was about to jump in and attack them, but then I realised there's no point. Why even waste my time?

EDIT: I still havent heard anyone tell me where the disapproval was for Reagan's 'socialist' taxes on the rich.
Or Bush's taxes on the middle class.

If you're middle class, then you are now paying LESS IN TAXES than you did under Bush.

If you're rich, you're paying LESS IN TAXES than you did under Reagan.

Yet, for some wacky totally-not-partisan reason, the teabaggers never thought to protest taxes until a black Democrat was in office.

But hey, liberals protested when Bush started an unjust war that bankrupted the country, and when it turned out that Bush was supporting torture, and when Bush decided to spy on American citizens with no warrants. And that means conservatives should be taken seriously when they say that Obama is a fascist commie who is stealing their monies.

Umm... have you had your head buried under a rock for the last 5 years?

Where was the disapproval of Bush's policies? Everywhere.

yes, but note that obama's job disapproval rate exactly mirrors bush's last couple years of job approval. interesting fact, that.

yes, but note that obama's job disapproval rate exactly mirrors bush's last couple years of job approval. interesting fact, that.

Umm, not that it's specifically unbelievable... but would you have a source for that?

did you go to the one hosted by sean hannity?
yep. I'd do it again next week, if I could. They had a couple big screens set up so we could also watch Newt and Boortz at their respective protests.

Umm, not that it's specifically unbelievable... but would you have a source for that?

http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx


Cant remember Bush's exact disapprobal rating. But its awfully close.

yep. I'd do it again next week, if I could. They had a couple big screens set up so we could also watch Newt and Boortz at their respective protests.
Oh hey, your back.
I ask again: Where were the tea parties during the last eight years? Where were the teabaggers when the rich were paying ten points more under Reagan? Where have the calls of 'taxation without representation' been?
Got an answer for me yet?

http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx


Cant remember Bush's exact disapprobal rating. But its awfully close.

Actually, I think Bush's low was around 22%... I went to (where else) wikipedia to read more on the Presidential approval polls in general.

Actually, I think Bush's low was around 22%... I went to (where else) wikipedia to read more on the Presidential approval polls in general.

So, while it doesnt exactly mirror Obama's disapproval rating, its pretty damn close.

So it wouldnt be an unfair assumption to make that a lot of the people who disapprove of Obama approved of Dubya.

And thus, are hypocrits and just being whiney children.

Will Trve ever get an answer from Myrmi? Found out next time on "Intellectually Dishonest NSG posters!"

Umm, not that it's specifically unbelievable... but would you have a source for that?

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-bush.php
http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php

if rasmussen wasn't dragging obama's numbers around, it would be pretty much exactly inverse of where bush left off. as it stands, we hit about the median of bush's last two years. pretty much we have the 27% crazification factor disapproving and then some trivial percent of others tagging along.

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First, this isn't about Reagan or Bush. In a phrase that is so beloved by the Clinton and Soros Democrats, we should just "move on".

But I don't think any of us felt nearly as threatened during the Reagan year. We didn't have a President that thought taxation was there to promote fairness. Reagan didn't use phrases like "Spread the wealth around".

As far as Bush goes, which Bush? GWB cut taxes in his first couple years. We'd be far better off if they didn't expire. In fact, your parents probably take advantage of the college credits he established. I know I take advantage of the capital gains tax reductions. GWB's problem wasn't taxation, it was the Congress that aided and abetted his out of control spending. But even then, I never heard him say that taxation was to be done to promote fairness and to spread the wealth around.

GWB cut taxes in his first couple years. We'd be far better off if they didn't expire.

reality seems to disagree

First, this isn't about Reagan or Bush. In a phrase that is so beloved by the Clinton and Soros Democrats, we should just "move on".

But I don't think any of us felt nearly as threatened during the Reagan year. We didn't have a President that thought taxation was there to promote fairness. Reagan didn't use phrases like "Spread the wealth around".

As far as Bush goes, which Bush? GWB cut taxes in his first couple years. We'd be far better off if they didn't expire. In fact, your parents probably take advantage of the college credits he established. I know I take advantage of the capital gains tax reductions. GWB's problem wasn't taxation, it was the Congress that aided and abetted his out of control spending. But even then, I never heard him say that taxation was to be done to promote fairness and to spread the wealth around.
So wait...

It's not about how much you ACTUALLY pay in taxes, or how that money is ACTUALLY spent, it's about what the president SAYS about your taxes and how they will be spent?

Damn. I wish I was still that naive...

reality seems to disagree

Look.

Just because cutting taxes while increasing spending has never worked doesn't mean it couldn't magically start working if we yell loud enough.

First, this isn't about Reagan or Bush. In a phrase that is so beloved by the Clinton and Soros Democrats, we should just "move on".
You keep saying that. Is it an attempt to hide how utterly hypocritical you are? When you whine about taxes and spending, and two presidents said whiners adore did it just as much/more...
But I don't think any of us felt nearly as threatened during the Reagan year. We didn't have a President that thought taxation was there to promote fairness. Reagan didn't use phrases like "Spread the wealth around".
So? The rich were still taxed higher. Isnt that socialism?
As far as Bush goes, which Bush?
God, playing dumb is so cute!
GWB cut taxes in his first couple years.
For the rich.
We'd be far better off if they didn't expire.
Because, clearly, they have allowed our economy to remain strong!
In fact, your parents probably take advantage of the college credits he established.
Nope.
I know I take advantage of the capital gains tax reductions. GWB's problem wasn't taxation, it was the Congress that aided and abetted his out of control spending. But even then, I never heard him say that taxation was to be done to promote fairness and to spread the wealth around.
So...no one cares about Obama's taxes and spending. They care about his word choice. And its totally non-partisan.

You expect me to buy that?

So? The rich were still taxed higher. Isnt that socialism?

No, because St. Ronny never talked about spreading the wealth around.

True, he did raise payroll taxes while cutting the top marginal rates. As has often been done, he helped to shift the tax burden onto poor and middle class Americans, thereby spreading the wealth of the poor upward into the pockets of the rich. But that's not the kind of wealth-spreading we're supposed to hate and fear.

So wait...

It's not about how much you ACTUALLY pay in taxes, or how that money is ACTUALLY spent, it's about what the president SAYS about your taxes and how they will be spent?

Damn. I wish I was still that naive...

Exactly. See, they dont really care that he's a democrat (because theyre totally non-partisan), that he's black (because they call him 'boy' out of affection), that the rich's taxes will go up (which is why they have never called his tax plan 'socialism') or even that they are being taxed (which is why they are crying about 'taxation without representation, whatever that means).

They care about his vocabulary.

And they think we're dumb enough to buy that.

No, because St. Ronny never talked about spreading the wealth around.

True, he did raise payroll taxes while cutting the top marginal rates. As has often been done, he helped to shift the tax burden onto poor and middle class Americans, thereby spreading the wealth of the poor upward into the pockets of the rich. But that's not the kind of wealth-spreading we're supposed to hate and fear.

Apperantly we're supposed to 'move on' because its totally not about past presidents, because if we realize that these people only care when the Democrats do it, we might realize that theyre fucking hypocrits.

Coincidentally, inspired by this thread, I found it appropriate to listen to Glenn Beck on my drive to work this morning. Nothing really stood out except for a commercial that began...

"Did you know global elites are storing non-hybrid seeds in secret vaults above the Arctic circle?"

...and then proceeded to advertise "non-hybrid seeds" as a better investment than gold, and something truly valuable when the ultimate crisis comes, so you can grow your own "crisis garden".

What the frak?

Exactly. See, they dont really care that he's a democrat (because theyre totally non-partisan), that he's black (because they call him 'boy' out of affection), that the rich's taxes will go up (which is why they have never called his tax plan 'socialism') or even that they are being taxed (which is why they are crying about 'taxation without representation, whatever that means).

They care about his vocabulary.

And they think we're dumb enough to buy that.

Some are liars, to be sure, but I think some actually buy into it. They hear Obama use the phrase "spreading the wealth" and that's all she wrote...the context, both of the comment and of the history of this country, all disappear because they've heard a trigger-phrase that indicates SOCIALISM!!!

Of course, if you spend all your free time chanting "SOCIALISM BAD! SOCIALISM! SOCIALISM!" to yourself, then you're bound to start hearing it echo from pretty much anything you approach.

Coincidentally, inspired by this thread, I found it appropriate to listen to Glenn Beck on my drive to work this morning. Nothing really stood out except for a commercial that began...

"Did you know global elites are storing non-hybrid seeds in secret vaults above the Arctic circle?"

...and then proceeded to advertise "non-hybrid seeds" as a better investment than gold, and something truly valuable when the ultimate crisis comes, so you can grow your own "crisis garden".

What the frak?

Bwuah....?

Bwuah....?

Yeah. Non-hybrid seeds.

That's the sort of stuff you hear out of militia nuts, and this is one of the most listened to shows on the radio.

Yeah. Non-hybrid seeds.

That's the sort of stuff you hear out of militia nuts, and this is one of the most listened to shows on the radio.

I cant even get past the secret vaults in the Arctic bit...

The fact that this fringe is almost becoming mainstream is fucking scary.

Coincidentally, inspired by this thread, I found it appropriate to listen to Glenn Beck on my drive to work this morning. Nothing really stood out except for a commercial that began...

"Did you know global elites are storing non-hybrid seeds in secret vaults above the Arctic circle?"

...and then proceeded to advertise "non-hybrid seeds" as a better investment than gold, and something truly valuable when the ultimate crisis comes, so you can grow your own "crisis garden".

What the frak?
i am all for this crazy conspiracy theory.

yes, my friends, the global elites are secretly acting to preserve genetic diversity in underground compounds in the arctic. clearly they know something we do not. don't be left out while they are sitting pretty on their genetically diverse seed banks. plant your own native plants today, to stick it to those international je...global elites.

I cant even get past the secret vaults in the Arctic bit...
they are just talking about the totally not secret svaldbard seed vault (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault)

I cant even get past the secret vaults in the Arctic bit...

The fact that this fringe is almost becoming mainstream is fucking scary.

I googled "non-hybrid seeds" and two of the sites were the Ark Institute and the Survivalist News. Nothing about secret elitist stashes above the Artctic Circle, though. I wonder, though, if that's where Obama's wife got the seeds for that garden out back of the White House? Speaking of which, how come beet farmers didn't beseige the WH when Michelle said the President doesn't like beets? Remember when W's Daddy said he hated broccoli?

they are just talking about the totally not secret svaldbard seed vault (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault)

That must be it. But when they mention these 'secret vaults' kept by the 'global elite', I picture Area-51 style defenses.

I googled "non-hybrid seeds" and two of the sites were the Ark Institute and the Survivalist News. Nothing about secret elitist stashes above the Artctic Circle, though. I wonder, though, if that's where Obama's wife got the seeds for that garden out back of the White House? Speaking of which, how come beet farmers didn't beseige the WH when Michelle said the President doesn't like beets? Remember when W's Daddy said he hated broccoli?

Because nobody fucking likes beets.:p

I cant even get past the secret vaults in the Arctic bit...

I really want to hear this commercial again, then I'll link to their website. I mean, the words don't even begin to describe this level of crazy.

The fact that this fringe is almost becoming mainstream is fucking scary.

Extremely. I don't think fringe attitudes and conspiracy theories like this are indicative of a healthy polity. I've expressed by disdain for conspiracy theories in the past, like with the 9/11 truthers, who were fortunately quite ineffectual and nutty, these people seem like they're batshit insane and capable of doing anything. I half expect them to go all Timothy McVeigh somewhere.

That must be it. But when they mention these 'secret vaults' kept by the 'global elite', I picture Area-51 style defenses.

And it was definitely plural, too. They kept using "vaults" rather than vault, and words like "secret" and "secure".

So? The rich were still taxed higher. Isnt that socialism?


In public finance, we actually view a well-designed progressive taxation as a system that delivers automatic tax cuts or increases, depending upon the well-being of the economy at the time. For example, as incomes fall, so do effective tax rates, and when incomes rise, so do effective tax rates. It's an economic balancer that actually has stimulative effects in bad times.

I cant even get past the secret vaults in the Arctic bit...
I believe he is referencing this (http://www.croptrust.org/main/arctic.php?itemid=211), the Svalbard Global Seed Vault.

Which certainly isn't secret, and got a huge amount of media coverage a couple of years back.

EDIT: Ahh, FS beat me to it.

I kind of wonder if the GOP is ever going to be a majority party again. I mean, the way they are leaping on board this teabagging train wreck, it seriously seems like they've decided that they represent only the 20% of dead-ender racists and religious nuts. Most of my Republican friends are absolutely nauseated by the Tea Party crap, and they're pissed as hell to hear that some of their GOP representatives in government are actually supporting the teabagging.
I'm afraid of calling anyone a "dead-ender." Rumsfeld (curse him) called certain people "dead-enders" in Iraq, and look how that turned out. I prefer to give my enemies a little more credit than perhaps they deserve. At least then, I won't be "out-gunned" (figuratively).

Coincidentally, inspired by this thread, I found it appropriate to listen to Glenn Beck on my drive to work this morning. Nothing really stood out except for a commercial that began...

"Did you know global elites are storing non-hybrid seeds in secret vaults above the Arctic circle?"

...and then proceeded to advertise "non-hybrid seeds" as a better investment than gold, and something truly valuable when the ultimate crisis comes, so you can grow your own "crisis garden".

What the frak?
Name the delusion, and there's a con to make money off it. :D

Name the delusion, and there's a con to make money off it. :D

I've believe we've finally found NSG's get-rich-quick scheme.

No it doesn't. 'Far right-wing' in America would have probably either the John Birch Society(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society) or the Constitution Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Party_(United_States)) as examples, neither of which are taken seriously or given much credence. As an ideal, 'far right-wing' is probably synonomous with 'fascism', which, despite what you may hear from the Daily Kos or Air America, is not synonomous with the Republican Party.

And both the parties you mentioned, added together, might have managed to swell the crowd a little. Clearly, if there are 'John Birch Society' or Constitution Party attendees, they are minority.

Our protest in Atlanta might have been the biggest of the bunch. The downtown was crowded -- I heard it estimated that between 15,000 and 20,000 people showed up. The thing that struck me immediately was that it wasn't all just 'rich, old, white men' that were attending. Attendance was multi-ethnic, multi-racial, and bi-partisan. I saw union workers, too. The one thing I didn't see was anyone protesting a multi-racial President. Just his policies.

Yep, look at all the multi-ethnic, multi-racial, bi-partisan people in the pictures taken by a (conservative) photgrapher that was there.

http://atlphotographers.com/uncategorized/photographs-of-the-atlanta-tax-day-tea-party/

That's like, what... 18 shots?

I think I saw at least 3 people that weren't white. In Atlanta.

Let's look at the signs... tax, tax, big government, parasitical unemployed people, tax, 'no socialism', 'Obama lied'...

Yep. Looks very even-handed and bi-partisn.

And this from pictures taken by a conservative partisan.

First, this isn't about Reagan or Bush. In a phrase that is so beloved by the Clinton and Soros Democrats, we should just "move on".


Which is why you were out protesting?

People may not agree with my politics, but at least I'm not a hypocrite.


But I don't think any of us felt nearly as threatened during the Reagan year. We didn't have a President that thought taxation was there to promote fairness. Reagan didn't use phrases like "Spread the wealth around".


And yet, Reagans taxes were higher, right?


As far as Bush goes, which Bush? GWB cut taxes in his first couple years.

Yes. A trillion and a half on the wealthiest Americans. And led us from surplus into recession - maybe Depression.

You get an A for Effort, but a big fat Fail on 'best examples 101'.

Yep, look at all the multi-ethnic, multi-racial, bi-partisan people in the pictures taken by a (conservative) photgrapher that was there.

http://atlphotographers.com/uncategorized/photographs-of-the-atlanta-tax-day-tea-party/

That's like, what... 18 shots?

I think I saw at least 3 people that weren't white. In Atlanta.

Let's look at the signs... tax, tax, big government, parasitical unemployed people, tax, 'no socialism', 'Obama lied'...

Yep. Looks very even-handed and bi-partisn.

And this from pictures taken by a conservative partisan.
I kinda feel bad for Myrm. He's trying to keep up the story that these are 'populist' gatherings that involve a 'diverse range of Real Americans,' but the movement just won't cooperate.

The corporate minds who are running these teabagger parties are not remotely interested in a genuine populist movement. They're not interested in helping average people speak truth to power. No, what they're interested in is getting warm bodies and loud voices to scream and shout about how the current administration is bad bad bad bad bad.

It must suck for any teabagger who finally realizes that he's not a noble revolutionary soldier...he's just an extra. :P

I kinda feel bad for Myrm. He's trying to keep up the story that these are 'populist' gatherings that involve a 'diverse range of Real Americans,' but the movement just won't cooperate.

The corporate minds who are running these teabagger parties are not remotely interested in a genuine populist movement. They're not interested in helping average people speak truth to power. No, what they're interested in is getting warm bodies and loud voices to scream and shout about how the current administration is bad bad bad bad bad.

It must suck for any teabagger who finally realizes that he's not a noble revolutionary soldier...he's just an extra. :P

Think for a minute... The corporate types, the big business types, have been getting free money. Why should they want to sponsor grassroots demonstrations against their own interests?

Well, of course. I expect a lot of the core Libertarian party supporters to show up. However - I don't know how closely you've been following discussions on the topic of "astroturf" - that's not the point. If the Libertarians were organized enough to put these sorts of things together, we should have been seeing them for quite a bit longer.

I see today's activities as a concerted attempt on the part of the Republican party (particularly, its subsidiary media organ, Fox News Channel) to reach out again to libertarians, who have been regularly snookered into supporting big-government religious wingnuts since 1980. As in 1993-1994, the Republicans will have an easier time pretending to be fans of small and non-intrusive government while out of power on the Federal level.

Lower-case "L," libertarians, TJHairball. ;)

See, when you say shit like this, I dismiss you as a crank.

I'm devastated. Really.

You are getting a fucking tax cut, for crying out loud! You yell, "Our taxes are too high!" The government lowers your taxes.

So I should dance and sing because I'm having a slightly smaller amount stolen from me?

And then you start yelling that you're being treated like a slave.

I am. We all are.

There's a word for that. Actually, there are several words for it, but the one I'm thinking of at the moment is "stupid."

There's a word for that. Actually, there are several words for it, but the one I'm thinking of at the moment is "flame."

Also, by the way, as Bottle pointed out, blatant racists have been jumping on your totally even-handed, non-partisan, so-totally-just-about-taxes bandwagon like its the party they've been waiting for all their lives.

Well, those "people" can go and fuck themselves.

Your choice to use a word that mimicks a stereotypical black accent from the days of slavery in the US does nothing to encourage the impression that you guys are not in agreement with them.

No to the italicized part, yes to the bolded part. It was meant to illustrate that, just as blacks were unjustly enslaved then, all people are unjustly enslaved now. True, we're not treated nearly as horrifically as black slaves were, but gentler slavery is still slavery.

About 25% of the signs I saw used sneering hip-hop language (the most popular), black face, lynching imagery, "boy" in reference to Obama (also popular), or other blatantly racist content.

No, the majority were not racist. But there were a really impressive number of VISIBLE racists wandering around. I honestly didn't expect there to be quite so many of them, because I figured even teabaggers must understand that kind of shit is bad for their image. Of course, given how strongly the teabagging movement is supported by White Supremacist groups (just check out Stormfront forums if you don't believe me), I guess maybe they can't afford to tell the racists to put a sock in it.

Thankfully, no one of that sort was present at the one I went to.

Perhaps the real question we should be asking is: What are you doing visiting Stormfront forums?

Much as I'm enjoying being silly and joking around about the loser teabaggers who have bought in to this little corporate movement of theirs, I want to be clear that there's one thing I'm not joking about:

Wow, flamebait much?

[qupte]The Teabags are driven in large part by some of the most overt racism you will ever see. If you talk to 10 teabaggers, I would be willing to bet money that at least four of them will engage in the kind of thing you pointed out, Mura. They'll use "jive" slang, or mimic slave patois, or use hip-hop lingo, or any of a dozen other racist dog whistles.[/QUOTE]

Funny, no one at the party I went to did any of those things.

Funnier still, you whine about racism, yet you seem to be a visitor to Stormfront forums. Ironic.

You're telling me that the teabaggers who are currently shrieking about taxes and big government were out there in all the protests against Bush's policies?

I would have, had there been such protests.

Yet, for some wacky totally-not-partisan reason, the teabaggers never thought to protest taxes until a black Democrat was in office.

I would attend any tax protest, regardless of the party label or skin color of the slave-master. Unfortunately, there were no protests of that sort to attend during the Bush years.

As has often been done, he helped to shift the tax burden onto poor and middle class Americans, thereby spreading the wealth of the poor upward into the pockets of the rich. But that's not the kind of wealth-spreading we're supposed to hate and fear.

Yes, it is.

Think for a minute... The corporate types, the big business types, have been getting free money. Why should they want to sponsor grassroots demonstrations against their own interests?

Exactly.

I think that it is absolutely ridiculous that some people here are really try to state protesting against taxation/debt = racism . . . :rolleyes:

I applaud Ledgersia for having the mental capacity to keep his cool when attacked by flames and illegit arguments.

I think that it is absolutely ridiculous that some people here are really try to state protesting against taxation/debt = racism . . . :rolleyes:

I applaud Ledgersia for having the mental capacity to keep his cool when attacked by flames and illegit arguments.

That's not it at all. What some people here are saying is that some of the signs seen and words heard at these tax protests were racist, that racists were using the tax protests as convenient cover and cheap legitimization.

I think that it is absolutely ridiculous that some people here are really try to state protesting against taxation/debt = racism . . . :rolleyes:

Admittedly, many of the protesters may have been racists. But at the tea party I went to, there was not one incidence of racism. I saw plenty of attacks on the Fed, central banking, taxation, socialism, etc., but not one attack on Obama as a person.

I applaud Ledgersia for having the mental capacity to keep his cool when attacked by flames and illegit arguments.

Thanks. People as intelligent as Bottle and Muravyets (sp?) are more than capable of being reasonable and civil and debating intelligently. There's no reason to resort to ad hominem attacks.

Also, as for my "Massah" comment earlier: I call all politicians that, not just Obama, and not just Presidents.

That's not it at all. What some people here are saying is that some of the signs seen and words heard at these tax protests were racist, that racists were using the tax protests as convenient cover and cheap legitimization.

Still not an excuse to use ad hominem attacks.

That's not it at all. What some people here are saying is that some of the signs seen and words heard at these tax protests were racist, that racists were using the tax protests as convenient cover and cheap legitimization.

And hacks throughout the world can only focus on the perhaps 1% racist component and ignore the 99% honest people who are exercising their right to freedom of speech, freedom of peaceable assembly, and freedom to petition the gov't for redress of grievances. I protested Bush, and I will continue to protest Obama. The main reason there are more rallies now is rooted in the organizations like Campaign for Liberty and other groups that formed during the election in opposition to both McCain and Obama.

Still not an excuse to use ad hominem attacks.

Quite right. I didn't read everything to see them but no, people who indulge in ad hominem attacks are just poop-heads.

Quite right. I didn't read everything to see them but no, people who indulge in ad hominem attacks are just poop-heads.

Calling them names isn't any better, though.

yep. I'd do it again next week, if I could. They had a couple big screens set up so we could also watch Newt and Boortz at their respective protests.
i heard that john rich was going to be there, are you a fan? im....not liking it....that hannity is using his "shutting detroit down" song as some kind of anthem. --not that it shouldnt be but i dont think that mr hannity supported the auto bailout.

Calling them names isn't any better, though.

Damn, and I thought I'd put the tags in that last post. I must be more careful.

Damn, and I thought I'd put the tags in that last post. I must be more careful.

There's always the "edit" button. ;)

The main reason there are more rallies now is rooted in the organizations like Campaign for Liberty and other groups that formed during the election in opposition to both McCain and Obama.

The main reason is that certain corporate intersts, lobby groups, etc are investing money in it now, and groups like Fox are providing a voice.

It's entirely partisan. The fact that some libertarians and constitutionalists are letting themselves be mobilised along partisan lines, doesn't make it non-partisan.

The main reason is that certain corporate intersts, lobby groups, etc are investing money in it now, and groups like Fox are providing a voice.

They would invest in protests against corporate bail-outs?

True, we're not treated nearly as horrifically as black slaves were, but gentler slavery is still slavery.

And 'not slavery' is still 'not slavery'.

If you think you've got a good argument to make, make it - but this whole attempt to co-opt the language of REAL human suffering over centuries, is pathetic.

I would attend any tax protest, regardless of the party label or skin color of the slave-master. Unfortunately, there were no protests of that sort to attend during the Bush years.
libertarians have some cred when it comes to protesting big government. they didnt love bush's policies (even if they tended to vote for him).

the republicans who are trying hard to embrace this as their own idea have zero cred.

The main reason is that certain corporate intersts, lobby groups, etc are investing money in it now, and groups like Fox are providing a voice.

It's entirely partisan. The fact that some libertarians and constitutionalists are letting themselves be mobilised along partisan lines, doesn't make it non-partisan.

I call BS. FOX, beck, Boortz, Newt, etc. jumped on the bandwagon after the local groups nstarted organizing. You don't have your ear to the ground in the right places to know what's going on. yeah, we're partisan. We hate 98% of the dems and 97% of the Pubbies. Real partisan, that.

And 'not slavery' is still 'not slavery'.

If you think you've got a good argument to make, make it - but this whole attempt to co-opt the language of REAL human suffering over centuries, is pathetic.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

They would invest in protests against corporate bail-outs?

Of course they would.

Why does someone like Coca Cola sponsor sporting events, when carbonated drinks actually increase lactic acid production, meaning you'd be less likely to actually PLAY a sporting event?

Because marketing doesn't necessarily have to represent the product you're pushing.

libertarians have some cred when it comes to protesting big government. they didnt love bush's policies (even if they tended to vote for him).

I never voted for Bush. I only voted once in my life (in 2004), and it wasn't for Bush. Although sadly, a lot of beltway libertarians did vote for him because he was (supposedly) the "lesser of two evils."

the republicans who are trying hard to embrace this as their own idea have zero cred.

That's true. That's why I was very reluctant to attend at first.

I call BS. FOX, beck, Boortz, Newt, etc. jumped on the bandwagon after the local groups nstarted organizing. You don't have your ear to the ground in the right places to know what's going on. yeah, we're partisan. We hate 98% of the dems and 97% of the Pubbies. Real partisan, that.



"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

Really? 97% of them? Then why wasn't the crowd outside the Colorado State House booing the Republicans who made those wonderfully firebrand speeches to them? You should have seen the video on the news, they were up on the second story balcony waving like Uncle Joe and the Boys on May Day in Moscow.

Really? 97% of them? Then why wasn't the crowd outside the Colorado State House booing the Republicans who made those wonderfully firebrand speeches to them? You should have seen the video on the news, they were up on the second story balcony waving like Uncle Joe and the Boys on May Day in Moscow.

Are you musically inclined? "Uncle Joe and the Boys" sounds like it would make a good band name. "May Day in Moscow" can be the name of your first album. :tongue:

Really? 97% of them? Then why wasn't the crowd outside the Colorado State House booing the Republicans who made those wonderfully firebrand speeches to them? You should have seen the video on the news, they were up on the second story balcony waving like Uncle Joe and the Boys on May Day in Moscow.

All I can say is that the one I attended was not in any way affiliated with any political party. We had no politicians speak. We had no corporate sponsors, just some local small businesses donating equipment. We had one TV news crew (CBS local) and a newspaper reporter there. The crowd was composed of people from all walks of life. There were no racist banners or slogans that I saw, and the speakers objected as much to Bush's foundational actions as to Obama's building on them. Congress was denounced thoroughly, since the Prez is rather limited without the tacit support of the House and Senate. There was discussion of proposed legislation and recent Congressional action. It was not an "OMG, the prez is a niggah" redneck racist fest. You know not whereof you speak. The media is only interested in controversy these days, and you need to rely on more than what you see. Even the local coverage had, well, I'll be polite and say "factual discrepancies."

I never voted for Bush. I only voted once in my life (in 2004), and it wasn't for Bush. Although sadly, a lot of beltway libertarians did vote for him because he was (supposedly) the "lesser of two evils."



That's true. That's why I was very reluctant to attend at first.
did you go to one? i considered going to the one in albuquerque but it was more of a "honk if you hate taxes" street rallly thing that i wasnt interested in.

the loose nature of the organization of these rallies lets too many of the nuts think that they are going to be in friendly company. so they bring their racist signs and conspriacy theories. then THEY get their pictures taken and get interviewed by the press, leaving the impression that everyone who went was crazy or racist.

im glad that some of the sane people could enjoy their protest without being labelled that way.

did you go to one? i considered going to the one in albuquerque but it was more of a "honk if you hate taxes" street rallly thing that i wasnt interested in.

the loose nature of the organization of these rallies lets too many of the nuts think that they are going to be in friendly company. so they bring their racist signs and conspriacy theories. then THEY get their pictures taken and get interviewed by the press, leaving the impression that everyone who went was crazy or racist.

im glad that some of the sane people could enjoy their protest without being labelled that way.

I went to the one in St. Cloud, Minnesota. About 150-200 people attended. Not a single racist or conspiracy theorist sign in sight.

I call BS. FOX, beck, Boortz, Newt, etc. jumped on the bandwagon after the local groups nstarted organizing. You don't have your ear to the ground in the right places to know what's going on. yeah, we're partisan. We hate 98% of the dems and 97% of the Pubbies. Real partisan, that.

Organised by Freedom Works - chaired by the former House Majority Leader and creator of the "Republican Revolution", Dick Armey?

Pro-business publisher and former Republican Presidential candidate Steven Forbes is the Vice Chair?

Fox have been accused of encouraging attendance of tea parties, and of associating themselves directly - referring to them as FNC Tax Day Tea Parties.

The whole thing is owned by Republicans. People that are attending these events thinking they are making a statement for libertarianism of constitutionality is deluding themselves.

please provide a link if they do get posted.




what was the best thing you heard said? did you have a favorite sign? was anyone wearing teabags? did you hear or see other things that made you shake your head?

There were some people wearing teabags. (As a Halo player, I got the unintended humor in that one. Press left stick, repeatedly, nao!)

Overall, other than the Obama birth certificate crap, nothing really seemed unnecessary. Local paper today said 1,500 attended, but since there were two parties in the city, I don't know if that's combined, because I definitely did not see 1,500 people.

One of the funny moments was two counter-protesters who were unfortunate enough to stand right next to me and hold up their signs, one of a graph with a direct relationship between tea taxes and blood pressure, and the other saying "High tea taxes are hurting the families of Lipton and Snapple." Admittedly, I found them to be very funny, and I do give them props for being funny without calling us names. Still, they were trying to get on camera, so they marched behind three people with signs. A few people behind me had "Don't Tread on Me" flags, so I told them to go to the sides of the two counter-protestors and raise their flags, then I told the people in front of the counter-protestors to raise their signs. The counter-protestors couldn't do anything about it and were forced to kinda laugh it off. Wasn't any animosity, happily.

It was a very peaceful protest, and it was nice. Wasn't too excited about the two politicians there (Hal Daub and Lee Terry) even though I tend to support them. I just didn't want politicians to try to get in on this. Unavoidable, yes, but still.

I'm devastated. Really.



So I should dance and sing because I'm having a slightly smaller amount stolen from me?



I am. We all are.
No. We are not. And neither are you.

There's a word for that. Actually, there are several words for it, but the one I'm thinking of at the moment is "flame."
You know where the mod forum is. Let them decide if that was a personal attack or an attack on your argument that you are being treated like a slave because you got a tax cut.

Well, those "people" can go and fuck themselves.
Tell them yourself. They are your compadres, shoulder to shoulder on the front lines of your movement.

No to the italicized part, yes to the bolded part. It was meant to illustrate that, just as blacks were unjustly enslaved then, all people are unjustly enslaved now. True, we're not treated nearly as horrifically as black slaves were, but gentler slavery is still slavery.
Bullshit.

Thankfully, no one of that sort was present at the one I went to.

Perhaps the real question we should be asking is: What are you doing visiting Stormfront forums?

Wow, flamebait much?


Funny, no one at the party I went to did any of those things.

Funnier still, you whine about racism, yet you seem to be a visitor to Stormfront forums. Ironic.
Demonizing your opponent instead of answering her questions and countering her points. And, what's the word for what you're doing here...? Flame? Flamebaiting?

I would have, had there been such protests.
Did you call for such protests? Did you try to organize such protests? Or did it never even occur to you then?

I think that it is absolutely ridiculous that some people here are really try to state protesting against taxation/debt = racism . . . :rolleyes:

I applaud Ledgersia for having the mental capacity to keep his cool when attacked by flames and illegit arguments.
That would indeed be ridiculous, if anyone had actually done it. Too bad for your point that nobody has.

When people whine about bush's spending it makes me sick to my stomach. Obama is going to top Bush in his first maybe his second year at this rate. You people are too full of your hatred of Republicans to look at the facts. Spending has never saved an economy and if you need an example of how spending effects economies just look at Zimbabwe and Germany after WW1. The inflation was/is awful. The only thing the stimulus will actually stimulate is inflation. The fact that Racism is even brought up in this forum shows that their is no way to criticize Obama without being called a racist. It's funny that descent was patriotic for Bush, but now it's racist. I love Liberals because they always make me laugh with their logic.

When people whine about bush's spending it makes me sick to my stomach. Obama is going to top Bush in his first maybe his second year at this rate. You people are too full of your hatred of Republicans to look at the facts.
Such as the fact that the budgets Bush presented to Congress were smaller because he left out the costs of two ongoing wars, as if they didn't exist? Whereas Obama included them in his first budget, causing the numbers to skyrocket.

Or the fact that Bush's anti-regulation policies directly contributed to the current economic meltdown which is now costing us so much money just to keep the country afloat?

Or, in reference to taxes, the fact that the groups complaining about being over-taxed are actually being taxed by Obama less than they were taxed by Reagan?

Spending has never saved an economy and if you need an example of how spending effects economies just look at Zimbabwe and Germany after WW1. The inflation was/is awful. The only thing the stimulus will actually stimulate is inflation.
So, you have historical/contemporary examples of bad effects of runaway inflation. Do you also have historical/contemporary examples of your preferred approach actually working any better?

The fact that Racism is even brought up in this forum shows that their is no way to criticize Obama without being called a racist. It's funny that descent was patriotic for Bush, but now it's racist. I love Liberals because they always make me laugh with their logic.
You mean "dissent," not "descent."

And is it your contention that it is not possible to criticize Obama or dissent from his policies without using words like "boy," or drawing caricatures that grossly exagerrate his racial features, or mimmicking in a derisive manner various elements of black pop culture, or making references to old racial stereotypes?

I hate to break this to you but you are known by the company you keep. This so-called movement is rife with racist groups and hangers-on, and you don't get to dissociate yourselves from them just by bitching at those who point them out.

When people whine about bush's spending it makes me sick to my stomach. Obama is going to top Bush in his first maybe his second year at this rate. You people are too full of your hatred of Republicans to look at the facts. Spending has never saved an economy and if you need an example of how spending effects economies just look at Zimbabwe and Germany after WW1. The inflation was/is awful. The only thing the stimulus will actually stimulate is inflation. The fact that Racism is even brought up in this forum shows that their is no way to criticize Obama without being called a racist. It's funny that descent was patriotic for Bush, but now it's racist. I love Liberals because they always make me laugh with their logic.

/Facepalm.

Bush spent terribly as well. Dissent is always patriotic. People that are protesting aren't being called racist, racists are being called racists.

I'm conservative, but I'm not tied to the Republican party by a chain. Get over party politics and focus on your principles. Bush didn't listen to you either.

It's funny that descent was patriotic for Bush, but now it's racist.

Not only I find it funny that dissent was eeeeevil for you under Bush, but now it's okay even if it IS tinged with racism, I also find it funny that I, skilled in English as a second language, have to correct a supposed native on the proper way to write.

Not only I find it funny that dissent was eeeeevil for you under Bush, but now it's okay even if it IS tinged with racism, I also find it funny that I, skilled in English as a second language, have to correct a supposed native on the proper way to write.

No, he meant that going down when Bush was President was patriotic. That's what he was trying to say.

When people whine about bush's spending it makes me sick to my stomach. Obama is going to top Bush in his first maybe his second year at this rate. You people are too full of your hatred of Republicans to look at the facts. Spending has never saved an economy and if you need an example of how spending effects economies just look at Zimbabwe and Germany after WW1. The inflation was/is awful. The only thing the stimulus will actually stimulate is inflation. The fact that Racism is even brought up in this forum shows that their is no way to criticize Obama without being called a racist. It's funny that descent was patriotic for Bush, but now it's racist. I love Liberals because they always make me laugh with their logic.

Why do you assume that anyone who disses Bush's spending... is a 'liberal'?

No, he meant that going down when Bush was President was patriotic. That's what he was trying to say.
I think you just changed the topic of the thread. ;)

No, he meant that going down when Bush was President was patriotic. That's what he was trying to say.

>.>

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Shut u... *gets shot*

No, he meant that going down when Bush was President was patriotic. That's what he was trying to say.

Yeah, going down was patriotic when Bush was president, and now that Obama is president, teabagging is. ;)

Why do you assume that anyone who disses Bush's spending... is a 'liberal'?

Because they are ebrawl librawls and only ebrawl librawls would criticize the shrub!