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"If you plan on tea bagging all around the country, you’re going to need a Dick Armey."


I'm not even kidding.

This was an actual quote from MSNBC's David Shuster, about the astroturf "Tea Parties" scheduled for tomorrow (tax day).

Eh? And what are these tea parties I've been hearing about?

[potentially stupid question]What does "astroturf" mean?[/potentially stupid question]

hmm... methinks there is more going on at these 'tea parties' than I was first lead to believe...

[potentially stupid question]What does "astroturf" mean?[/potentially stupid question]

It's a sort of fake grass, often combined with sand or water, used to play football, tennis, cricket and other sports on.

[potentially stupid question]What does "astroturf" mean?[/potentially stupid question]

If the grass you are standing on is not grass, it's astroturf!!

What tea parties? Is this that stupid little "protest" that Republicans have been talking about?

Thanks, NNLDI and DM. :)

Eh? And what are these tea parties I've been hearing about?

The "Tea Parties" are protests which are supposed to invoke the memory of the Boston Tea Party, and you'll hear the teabaggers (yes, they call themselves this) make comments about "no taxation without representation."

It's not clear why the protesters, most of whom are receiving tax cuts under Obama, feel that they aren't being represented by their democratically-elected government. But they're hopping mad anyhow.

Savetherich.com has the background.


[potentially stupid question]What does "astroturf" mean?[/potentially stupid question]
It's a play on "grassroots."

"Grassroots" refers to a natural and spontaneous movement driven by the constituents of a community. In other words, average folks decide that they see a problem and they're going to get together to fix it.

"Astroturf" is the term for when the opposite happens; when a large, existing organization basically fakes it, trying to make it appear that there is a grassroots movement behind what is really just a big corporate effort.

The Tea Parties were directly created and sponsored by a number of right-wing think tanks, including Americans for Prosperity and Freedom Works. The Tea Parties are being actively promoted by Fox News.

(My favorite fun fact: while the teabaggers insist that this movement arose out of people's objections to Obama's actions as president, the domain names for many of the Tea Party sites were registered as early as August of 2008, before Obama had even been elected.)

It's a play on "grassroots."

"Grassroots" refers to a natural and spontaneous movement driven by the constituents of a community. In other words, average folks decide that they see a problem and they're going to get together to fix it.

"Astroturf" is the term for when the opposite happens; when a large, existing organization basically fakes it, trying to make it appear that there is a grassroots movement at work.

The Tea Parties were directly created and sponsored by a number of right-wing think tanks, including Americans for Prosperity and Freedom Works. The Tea Parties are being actively promoted by Fox News.

(My favorite fun fact: while the teabaggers insist that this movement arose out of people's objections to Obama's actions as president, the domain names for many of the Tea Party sites were registered as early as August of 2008, before Obama had even been elected.)

Thanks for explaining. :)

the teabaggers (yes, they call themselves this)

Oh dear, that's rather unfortunate. Has no-one pointed out what their name implies?

Its a sign of how politically irrelevent you are when you cant even get a real grass roots movement going.

It's not clear why the protesters, most of whom are receiving tax cuts under Obama,


This is the part I liked, because I'm having a very bleh day and I needed some laughter to brighten it up. Thanks!

The "Tea Parties" are protests which are supposed to invoke the memory of the Boston Tea Party, and you'll hear the teabaggers (yes, they call themselves this) make comments about "no taxation without representation." I propose a new slogan... "putting more than just words in your mouths."

(My favorite fun fact: while the teabaggers insist that this movement arose out of people's objections to Obama's actions as president, the domain names for many of the Tea Party sites were registered as early as August of 2008, before Obama had even been elected.)
why you make it sound like McCain actually stood a chance! :p

I propose a new slogan... "putting more than just words in your mouths."


ROTFL!

You rock. (Sincerely! that was funny as hell :) )

The best part about the whole "Obama is teh socialist!" bit is he's raising taxes on rich to...ten points under what it was under Reagan.

Apperantly Reagan was a bigger socialist.

The best part about the whole "Obama is teh socialist!" bit is he's raising taxes on rich to...ten points under what it was under Reagan.

Apperantly Reagan was a bigger socialist.

Yeah, but there are other things that give some people reason to believe Obama is a socialist. Not that I think he is.

Yeah, but there are other things that give some people reason to believe Obama is a socialist. Not that I think he is.

No, thats pretty much been the main reasons since the election.

Yeah, but there are other things that give some people reason to believe Obama is a socialist. Not that I think he is.

^This. It isn't the tax hike per se that raises the specter of Socialism, it's the increasing Government control over private industries (Like auto makers). Not regulation, control.

^This. It isn't the tax hike per se that raises the specter of Socialism, it's the increasing Government control over private industries (Like auto makers). Not regulation, control.

Still not socialism.

The reason the government is taking control of some industries is really rather simple.

Industry: "Oh no, we're bankrupt. Government, please give us money"
Government: "If you want us to prop you up, you'll have to play by our rules"

Not

Government: "We are going to be taking over these industries to manage them in the public interest"
Industry: "Aiiieeeee!"

The difference is rather important.

No, thats pretty much been the main reasons since the election.

Universal Healthcare anyone?

Universal Healthcare anyone?

Something Obama has never proposed. Its something that conservatives have more or less made up.

I. Laughed. Out. Loud. when I heard Shuster say those words. I was, like, "DAVE! TMI!! I don't need to know what kind of porn you surf." :D

Oh dear, that's rather unfortunate. Has no-one pointed out what their name implies?
We're all too busy laughing to clue them.

Still not socialism.

The reason the government is taking control of some industries is really rather simple.

Industry: "Oh no, we're bankrupt. Government, please give us money"
Government: "If you want us to prop you up, you'll have to play by our rules"

Not

Government: "We are going to be taking over these industries to manage them in the public interest"
Industry: "Aiiieeeee!"

The difference is rather important.
Who was Dave Shuster talking to when he said the OP quote? One of their resident analysts who pointed out that, all their "OMG SOCIALIZMZ!!!" crying and yelling, not a single one of these rightwingers has ever or will ever turn down Medicare for themselves or their loved ones. Medicare is a dyed in the wool socialist social program. There is no such thing as an economic monoculture in real life. All strong economies are mixed and even the Holy US Economy already has solid socialist parts in its foundation.

The best part about the whole "Obama is teh socialist!" bit is he's raising taxes on rich to...ten points under what it was under Reagan.

Apperantly Reagan was a bigger socialist.

Of course! Everyone knows Reagan was a hard-core Marxist-Leninist underneath his gruff exterior. :tongue:

This Dick Armey is gonna be a popular guy...

oh and for your amusement (http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/schuster_if_you_re_planning_tea_bagging_across_the/)...

I love the video caption...

"Teabag Mouthpieces"

"If you plan on tea bagging all around the country, you’re going to need a Dick Armey."

Personally I'd never heard of Dick Armey, and I guess whether it's a good joke or not depends on what proportion of listeners connected the name with the congressman. Or in fact realized it was a name at all.

It's not so funny when you have to google to get it.

i wonder if millions of couples are trying a new kinky sex activity since this whole movement started.

i wonder if millions of couples are trying a new kinky sex activity since this whole movement started.

*rimshot* :p

i wonder if millions of couples are trying a new kinky sex activity since this whole movement started.

I tried to get my girlfriend to help me become a teabagger, but she wasn't into it. So now its just me and the guys.

"Astroturf" is the term for when the opposite happens; when a large, existing organization basically fakes it, trying to make it appear that there is a grassroots movement behind what is really just a big corporate effort.

The Tea Parties were directly created and sponsored by a number of right-wing think tanks, including Americans for Prosperity and Freedom Works. The Tea Parties are being actively promoted by Fox News.

(My favorite fun fact: while the teabaggers insist that this movement arose out of people's objections to Obama's actions as president, the domain names for many of the Tea Party sites were registered as early as August of 2008, before Obama had even been elected.)

Largely, I view most movements as being astroturf/grassroots on some level or another. Some sort of central organization and planning is inevitably important. Although, in the case of the teabaggers, the general indication is that it's primarily made in a factory.

But, as I've said before, I find protesters contemptible and ineffectual. Even the massive French-style protests tend to get nowhere. How the crap do these nitwits think they can change anything in the slightest. Obama is unquestionably in office for another 3 years and 10 months, and there's no option for a no-confidence vote. The current Congress will be in session for nearly two years, and you can't recall them either. They're going to do whatever the hell they want, and protesting in the streets will achieve nothing.

Especially if you call yourself something as ridiculous as a "teabagger."

Largely, I view most movements as being astroturf/grassroots on some level or another. Some sort of central organization and planning is inevitably important. Although, in the case of the teabaggers, the general indication is that it's primarily made in a factory.

But, as I've said before, I find protesters contemptible and ineffectual. Even the massive French-style protests tend to get nowhere. How the crap do these nitwits think they can change anything in the slightest. Obama is unquestionably in office for another 3 years and 10 months, and there's no option for a no-confidence vote. The current Congress will be in session for nearly two years, and you can't recall them either. They're going to do whatever the hell they want, and protesting in the streets will achieve nothing.

Especially if you call yourself something as ridiculous as a "teabagger."
it could have some effect if they had an actual rational agenda. mass protest of....the bank bailouts...would get the attention of the administration and congress. (as the outcry against aig bonuses got swift attention)

but this "ohmygod no taxation without representation" "they are going to come for our guns" bullshit brings out too many of the crazies. they are "protesting" what they think might happen in the future if the paranoid fantasies of the conservative pundits come true. its pathetic.

Is it just me or is the American right wing starting to manifest more Freudian slips than usual? First there's 2M4M, and now "Teabaggers".

but this "ohmygod no taxation without representation" "they are going to come for our guns" bullshit brings out too many of the crazies. they are "protesting" what they think might happen in the future if the paranoid fantasies of the conservative pundits come true. its pathetic.

It brings back the good old days of Sarah Palin chanting "Obama Pals Around With Terrorists" and that crazy old woman at the McCain rally crying "He's an Ayrab, isn't he!?"

"If you plan on tea bagging all around the country, you’re going to need a Dick Armey."


I'm not even kidding.

This was an actual quote from MSNBC's David Shuster, about the astroturf "Tea Parties" scheduled for tomorrow (tax day).

link ??

If any exist.
Seems interesting, though sounds like most tax protester movements to be made of hot air.

link ??

If any exist.
Seems interesting, though sounds like most tax protester movements to be made of hot air.

And dangling balls.

It brings back the good old days of Sarah Palin chanting "Obama Pals Around With Terrorists" and that crazy old woman at the McCain rally crying "He's an Ayrab, isn't he!?"
big time.

i watched a teaparty video on huffington post where the crazy man talked about how the digital tv decoder boxes are really brainwashing boxes and a woman shouted out that we should burn all them college brainwashing books.

its bringing out the freaks.

*rimshot* :p

That's my line! :p

And dangling balls.

their fetish to smack their balls across the presidents face is a bit disturbing.

What tea parties? Is this that stupid little "protest" that Republicans have been talking about?
Yup.

Though a commentator talking about "teabagging" is hilarious.

it could have some effect if they had an actual rational agenda. mass protest of....the bank bailouts...would get the attention of the administration and congress. (as the outcry against aig bonuses got swift attention)

but this "ohmygod no taxation without representation" "they are going to come for our guns" bullshit brings out too many of the crazies. they are "protesting" what they think might happen in the future if the paranoid fantasies of the conservative pundits come true. its pathetic.

Quite, if there was some defineable, non-apocalyptic, specific goal they were focused on achieving--like forcing the federal and state governments to disburse stimulus money with greater care than they currently are, or in a less slapdash fashion--then it would have a greater degree of credibility. Instead it's an OMGZ ARE GUNZ/MONIEZ.

*rimshot* :p
!!!

Largely, I view most movements as being astroturf/grassroots on some level or another. Some sort of central organization and planning is inevitably important. Although, in the case of the teabaggers, the general indication is that it's primarily made in a factory.

But, as I've said before, I find protesters contemptible and ineffectual. Even the massive French-style protests tend to get nowhere. How the crap do these nitwits think they can change anything in the slightest. Obama is unquestionably in office for another 3 years and 10 months, and there's no option for a no-confidence vote. The current Congress will be in session for nearly two years, and you can't recall them either. They're going to do whatever the hell they want, and protesting in the streets will achieve nothing.

Especially if you call yourself something as ridiculous as a "teabagger."
Oh noes, they'll have to Go Galt instead.

Oh noes, they'll have to Go Galt instead.

So that's the Perpetual Motion Machine that'll revolutionize the world; a bunch of dangling testicles.

It's funny how something that was only a little bit stupid in the first place, but may have had a point, can get hijacked and turned into a magnificent display of asshattery by all sides.

Sometimes you almost have to believe that there is domestic cointelpro going on all the time.

big time.

i watched a teaparty video on huffington post where the crazy man talked about how the digital tv decoder boxes are really brainwashing boxes and a woman shouted out that we should burn all them college brainwashing books.

its bringing out the freaks.

The lady that shouted that out was the person taking the video. She's a liberal blogger, I checked her out.

Most of the people at the tea parties are normal people. Conservatives, yes, but still normal people.

big time.

i watched a teaparty video on huffington post where the crazy man talked about how the digital tv decoder boxes are really brainwashing boxes and a woman shouted out that we should burn all them college brainwashing books.

its bringing out the freaks.

Hey the freaks are profitable. Do you know how much I have made selling recreated colonial clothes to these freaks ??

That's my line! :p

*hands you a compensatory box of your favorite cookies*

The "Tea Parties" are protests which are supposed to invoke the memory of the Boston Tea Party, and you'll hear the teabaggers (yes, they call themselves this) make comments about "no taxation without representation."



They do know that tea used to be transported in bricks and not in bags right...

Sometimes you almost have to believe that there is domestic cointelpro going on all the time.

Only if you have faith that humanity just cannot produce people that stupid and in significant quantities. I don't.

link ??

If any exist.
Seems interesting, though sounds like most tax protester movements to be made of hot air.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i-OWDjOQfI

Maybe? I can't watch vids on my work comp, so I can't confirm this one works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i-OWDjOQfI

Maybe? I can't watch vids on my work comp, so I can't confirm this one works.

Yes, yes, it does, soooo well! :D:D:D :fluffle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i-OWDjOQfI

Maybe? I can't watch vids on my work comp, so I can't confirm this one works.

thank you. Been away from my TV. too busy writing senior thesis. then re writing it.

Schuster's report (you can watch it here (http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/schuster_if_you_re_planning_tea_bagging_across_the/)) is hilarious!

All the talk of giving Obama a "full throated" "tongue-lashing", the need for a dick army and, my personal favourite, "[Beck and Hannity] are looking forward to an up-close and personal taste of teabagging."

Epic lulz.

The lady that shouted that out was the person taking the video. She's a liberal blogger, I checked her out.

Most of the people at the tea parties are normal people. Conservatives, yes, but still normal people.
ahh i thought the person who asked her if she was serious was the one shooting the video.

that doesnt excuse the poor sane people having to listen to the nut suggesting that they take their kids out of college because college is brainwashing their children (and that tv digital decoder boxes are there to brainwash you)

ahh i thought the person who asked her if she was serious was the one shooting the video.

that doesnt excuse the poor sane people having to listen to the nut suggesting that they take their kids out of college because college is brainwashing their children (and that tv digital decoder boxes are there to brainwash you)

Sadly the impression that colleges lean left is prevalent among those who have not attended college. My college at least has been very balanced professors on both sides of the spectrum.

The lady that shouted that out was the person taking the video. She's a liberal blogger, I checked her out.

Oh, really? So you could link us to her blog then? I'd be interested to see what she has to say for herself for pulling such a stunt.

Sadly the impression that colleges lean left is prevalent among those who have not attended college. My college at least has been very balanced professors on both sides of the spectrum.
i had my share of "liberal" professors (back in the 70s) but this strange fear that college brainwashes students is creepy. a more liberal point of view isnt some kind of aberration, you send your kids to college in order that they learn stuff, and, as you say, there are plenty of conservative professors that pull students in the other direction.

i had my share of "liberal" professors (back in the 70s) but this strange fear that college brainwashes students is creepy. a more liberal point of view isnt some kind of aberration, you send your kids to college in order that they learn stuff, and, as you say, there are plenty of conservative professors that pull students in the other direction.

Mine has both liberal and conservative professors.

I think the whole my college kid was brain washed comes from when people get out of the home and grow their own ideas *gasp* they might be different from their parents ideas.

Mine has both liberal and conservative professors.

I think the whole my college kid was brain washed comes from when people get out of the home and grow their own ideas *gasp* they might be different from their parents ideas.
yeah

so what did they think? that jr would come home as stupid as he left?

yeah

so what did they think? that jr would come home as stupid as he left?
Only this time they would have paid good money to get the stupid ground in hard, so it would stick. I guess they feel like they got rooked.

yeah

so what did they think? that jr would come home as stupid as he left?

the vast majority from conservative families, tend to stay that way.
(well maybe gravitate toward libertarians). just the sizable minority that change get labeled as brain washed.

This Dick Armey is gonna be a popular guy...

oh and for your amusement (http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/schuster_if_you_re_planning_tea_bagging_across_the/)...

I love the video caption...

"Teabag Mouthpieces"

"As well as Washington Prostitute-Patron David Vitter, who has issued statements in support of tea-bagging, but is publicly tight-lipped."

...

HAhAHAHAHA!

So many quotes... so much...

I'm wondering if conservatives are really doing this purposefully for some unknown reason.

MSNBC apparently is aware of the blatant innuendo, and that's why they're phrasing it the way they are. At least that's how some of the speculation is going.

MSNBC apparently is aware of the blatant innuendo, and that's why they're phrasing it the way they are. At least that's how some of the speculation is going.

"Speculation"? Are you kidding? The only people who don't seem to get the joke are the conservatives calling themselves by these names.

"Speculation"? Are you kidding? The only people who don't seem to get the joke are the conservatives calling themselves by these names.

I can only call it speculation because I haven't heard any of the clips myself. I've heard that the one mentioning Dick Armey resulted in the anchor cracking up, though.

Oh noes, they'll have to Go Galt instead.

If they hijacked the airwaves with that I'd have to light myself on fire in suffering.

Supposedly Olbermann said something along the lines of "If things get too testy, it might just blow up in Fox's face" regarding the tea parties.

Jesus Christ is this amazing.

Supposedly Olbermann said something along the lines of "If things get too testy, it might just blow up in Fox's face" regarding the tea parties.

Jesus Christ is this amazing.

I think the major news channels(Fox excluded) are having a field day with this. I'm not entirely sure what's funnier: The news anchors poking fun with all of the ridiculous inuendos, or the fact that conservatives just don't get it. I honestly don't know which is funnier.

I can only call it speculation because I haven't heard any of the clips myself. I've heard that the one mentioning Dick Armey resulted in the anchor cracking up, though.
I'm a regular MSNBC watcher, and I can assure you they've been "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" all week long on this.

What I've discerned from all this is that American conservatives are blind to sexual innuendos, and American news stations are full of incredibly rude and biased people.

and American news stations are full of incredibly rude and biased people.

Only the pundents. Because theyre paid to do that.

Oh, really? So you could link us to her blog then? I'd be interested to see what she has to say for herself for pulling such a stunt.

I talked with her, asked what conservatism meant. She responded that conservatism means never having to say you're sorry.

I just was like, "/facepalm."

Before she posted the video, I found out her favorite videos on youtube were mainly those with a liberal bent.

I'm not excusing the guy about the tv decoder boxes (That made me laugh, to be honest.)

I'm saying that she was trying to rile the people.

Only the pundents. Because theyre paid to do that.

To be rude and amateurish?

To be rude and amateurish?

Yes. Im 100% serious.

I talked with her, asked what conservatism meant. She responded that conservatism means never having to say you're sorry.

I just was like, "/facepalm."

Before she posted the video, I found out her favorite videos on youtube were mainly those with a liberal bent.

I'm not excusing the guy about the tv decoder boxes (That made me laugh, to be honest.)

I'm saying that she was trying to rile the people.

Yet you have no proof of any of this.

Yet you have no proof of any of this.

Notice how she laughed at the end of the video. That was a "I'm screwing with these people," laugh.

I talked with her, asked what conservatism meant. She responded that conservatism means never having to say you're sorry.

I just was like, "/facepalm."

Before she posted the video, I found out her favorite videos on youtube were mainly those with a liberal bent.

I'm not excusing the guy about the tv decoder boxes (That made me laugh, to be honest.)

I'm saying that she was trying to rile the people.

And still no link to a blog, no name, nothing to prove you are not just making this up. Hm. How odd.

Notice how she laughed at the end of the video. That was a "I'm screwing with these people," laugh.
And now we have proof that you actually are making it up. Thanks. It took a while, but I knew you'd provide some sooner or later.

And still no link to a blog, no name, nothing to prove you are not just making this up. Hm. How odd.

I agree with Muravyets. (Have I ever said that before?) If this woman's a blogger than link us to the blog.

This Dick Armey is gonna be a popular guy...

oh and for your amusement (http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/schuster_if_you_re_planning_tea_bagging_across_the/)...

I love the video caption...

"Teabag Mouthpieces"

One would think his name is pronounced Dick Armey which sounds like Army.

Why wouldn't he go with Richard?

And still no link to a blog, no name, nothing to prove you are not just making this up. Hm. How odd.

The problem is, I remember her being linked to mainly left-wing sites, yet she just recently deleted all her favorites.

The problem is, I remember her being linked to mainly left-wing sites, yet she just recently deleted all her favorites.

That doesnt interfere with you posting her blog here. Lets see it.

I'm still looking for it. The first time I saw her channel, she had all the stuff, now I can't find it.

The problem is, I remember her being linked to mainly left-wing sites, yet she just recently deleted all her favorites.

And I remember you being implicated in a Azerbaijani sex-slave smuggling ring, as well as numerous accusations of inappropriate behaviour towards altar boys during your time as a priest in Nicaragua.

Funny what people can remember when they can't be bothered to support their accusations.

now I can't find it.

Isn't that odd?

And I remember you being implicated in a Azerbaijani sex-slave smuggling ring, as well as numerous accusations of inappropriate behaviour towards altar boys during your time as a priest in Nicaragua.

Funny what people can remember when they can't be bothered to support their accusations.

This sucks so much, I had her caught. I saw her favorites. She had favorited numerous atheist videos, numerous liberal videos.

Look at how she just...just subscribed to Glenn Beck's videos. Yesterday. Even though she's been on youtube for over a year!

That had to be joke. I really really hope so. Consult Urban Dictionary

Look at how she just...just subscribed to Glenn Beck's videos. Yesterday. Even though she's been on youtube for over a year!

How can we look when youre not proving anything?

One would think his name is pronounced Dick Armey which sounds like Army.

Why wouldn't he go with Richard?

Is he anything like Dick Emery? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVpS4kJ8ZOg)

Look at how she just...just subscribed to Glenn Beck's videos. Yesterday. Even though she's been on youtube for over a year!
Look at what? The things only you can see? Are you claiming this was done by one of your invisible friends trying to set up your other invisible friends?

Is he anything like Dick Emery? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVpS4kJ8ZOg)

Ooh you are awful

"If you plan on tea bagging all around the country, you’re going to need a Dick Armey."
I thought this thread was about a different kind of "teabagging (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teabagging)".....:$

Look at what? The things only you can see? Are you claiming this was done by one of your invisible friends trying to set up your other invisible friends?


No. Just, fuck it...I've already destroyed my reputation by this stupid mistake.

No. Just, fuck it...I've already destroyed my reputation by this stupid mistake.
No, that's not how you did it. :p *whistles innocently and wanders off*

Someone tell Obama not to feed the trolls.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/obama-tea-bag-protesters-ive-already/story.aspx?guid={30C2C4A6-E7AA-4833-A6E7-83C558FFA037}&dist=TNMostRead

No, that's not how you did it. :p *whistles innocently and wanders off*

Yes it is.

God, I'll never be as good at arguing as you guys. I am just tired of always being on the losing side.

And no, Bush wasn't conservative. Conservatives don't spend the inane amounts he did.

God, give me Clinton. At least under him, we had a surplus.

Yes it is.

God, I'll never be as good at arguing as you guys. I am just tired of always being on the losing side.

And no, Bush wasn't conservative. Conservatives don't spend the inane amounts he did.

God, give me Clinton. At least under him, we had a surplus.

Well considering the "conservative" congress wrote the spending bills I think your dissatisfaction with the Bush years goes a bit deeper than just him.

Well considering the "conservative" congress wrote the spending bills I think your dissatisfaction with the Bush years goes a bit deeper than just him.

Yes, it does. The GOP failed, miserably.

Yes, it does. The GOP failed, miserably.

Don't fret, if I've learned anything in my short life it's that the Democrats could fuck up a two car funeral precession.

Don't fret, if I've learned anything in my short life it's that the Democrats could fuck up a two car funeral precession.

Really just politicians in general.

Really just politicians in general.

Thus the secret of the Clinton years success. Congress was against him, but didn't have enough votes to override him. So nothing got done.

Thus the secret of the Clinton years success. Congress was against him, but didn't have enough votes to override him. So nothing got done.

Yep. congress under the GOP blocked social spending which was good.
And Clinton refused to increase defense spending.
Hence the budget surplus.

Yep. congress under the GOP blocked social spending which was good.
And Clinton refused to increase defense spending.
Hence the budget surplus.

So how did the GOP under Bush increase both social and military spending?

Yes it is.

God, I'll never be as good at arguing as you guys. I am just tired of always being on the losing side.

And no, Bush wasn't conservative. Conservatives don't spend the inane amounts he did.

God, give me Clinton. At least under him, we had a surplus.
AND all the scandals under clinton were personal (and salacious) so that his crap, while annoying, only embarrassed himself (and the presidency).

AND all the scandals under clinton were personal (and salacious) so that his crap, while annoying, only embarrassed himself (and the presidency).

And it's amazing how easily the Presidency can shake off a salacious scandal. If the office can survive the likes of James Buchanan, Ulysses Grant and Warren Gamaliel Harding, it can certainly survive Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinski and the Blue Dress.

AND all the scandals under clinton were personal (and salacious) so that his crap, while annoying, only embarrassed himself (and the presidency).

That's not quite true. We bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, for example. That was a minor incident.

That's not quite true. We bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, for example. That was a minor incident.
ohhh my husband was in beijing at that time and saw a crowd rough up a poor norwegian guy that they mistook for an american.

ohhh my husband was in beijing at that time and saw a crowd rough up a poor norwegian guy that they mistook for an american.
Oh, and your husband wasn't at all trying to slip away through the crowd while pointing at the Norwegian and yelling, "American! Get him!" while he hid his own accent and passport. ;) (Note: I'm assuming your husband is not a Chinese national.)

So how did the GOP under Bush increase both social and military spending?

That is one of the greatest enigmas of all time. Made no sense.

And I remember you being implicated in a Azerbaijani sex-slave smuggling ring, as well as numerous accusations of inappropriate behaviour towards altar boys during your time as a priest in Nicaragua.

No, that was me. None of those accusations are true, though.

*runs*