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One of the few things the Republicans have to be proud of.

I disagree, but that's just my personal opinion.

I disagree, but that's just my personal opinion.

Well yes, it's an exaggeration of course. But the modern Republican party has so little that it can claim to its advantage, Lincoln is the one of the things that they can point to and be like, "See? We rock!"

Well yes, it's an exaggeration of course. But the modern Republican party has nothing that it can claim to its advantage, Lincoln is the one of the things that they can point to and be like, "See? We rock!"

Fixed. :)

Fixed for accuracy.

We are speaking relative to other Presidents.

We are speaking relative to other Presidents.

But saying "significantly" is a huge stretch.

But saying "significantly" is a huge stretch.

Not really.

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Not really.

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And yet our overseas empire didn't shrink by even an inch.

And yet our overseas empire didn't shrink by even an inch.

Guam?

And yet our overseas empire didn't shrink by even an inch.

Still less defense spending--probably on weapons development and such.

Still less defense spending--probably on weapons development and such.

Still, cutting spending on the military (calling it "defense" is a misnomer) is a good thing. Too bad he also waged a war of aggression in the Balkans and continued the barbaric sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians.

Guam?

What about it?

Still, cutting spending on the military (calling it "defense" is a misnomer) is a good thing.

What about the Ministry of Love?

Too bad he also waged a war of aggression in the Balkans and continued the barbaric sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians.

I believe most Presidents were mass-murderers.

What about the Ministry of Love?

Department of War was a much better name. It was more accurate. It is far more preoccupied with aggression than it is with genuine defense.

I believe most Presidents were mass-murderers.

I agree.

What about it?

You mentioned our "overseas empire".

You mentioned our "overseas empire".

Which includes bases in over 130 countries and numerous nations that the U.S. wields such inordinate influence over (usually because the governments of those countries survive by weaning off Washington's teat) that they are virtually overseas territories of the U.S.

Department of War was a much better name. It was more accurate. It is far more preoccupied with aggression than it is with genuine defense.

Did you get the 1984 reference?


I agree.

So it seems silly to blame any for deaths they were indirectly responsible for in a thread which compares them to each other. However, if you want to start a thread accusing virtually all Presidents of being fuckheads, then I suppose you could have a water-tight case.

Which includes bases in over 130 countries and numerous nations that the U.S. wields such inordinate influence over (usually because the governments of those countries survive by weaning off Washington's teat) that they are virtually overseas territories of the U.S.

Ah. So our "overseas empire" actually just means we have bases in certain places and as a superpower we wield influence in the world. Be more specific next time.

Did you get the 1984 reference?

Yes. :)

So it seems silly to blame any for deaths they were indirectly responsible for in a thread which compares them to each other. However, if you want to start a thread accusing virtually all Presidents of being fuckheads, then I suppose you could have a water-tight case.

How is imposing crippling sanctions that directly lead to starvation "indirect?" Or, how is attacking places that never attacked us, and that pose no threat to us, "indirect?"

Ah. So our "overseas empire" actually just means we have bases in certain places and as a superpower we wield influence in the world. Be more specific next time.

Your inclusion of quotation marks around overseas empire makes no sense. Like or not, we are an empire.

Yes. :)

"Defense".



How is imposing crippling sanctions that directly lead to starvation "indirect?"

Comparative to other Presidents. Carter indirectly killed many Soviets with his sanctions.

Or, how is attacking places that never attacked us, and that pose no threat to us, "indirect?"

It is not, though I would say he did less of that than other Presidents.

Comparative to other Presidents. Carter indirectly killed many Soviets with is sanctions.

Evil is evil, regardless of statistics.

It is not, though I would say he did less of that than other Presidents.

See above.

Evil is evil, regardless of statistics.



See above.

All valid; once again, we talking about the best/least bad.

All valid; once again, we talking about the best/least bad.

Point taken.

Dudes?
It's a cool way to say guys, men, males. Girl, most of us here are native English speakers, so please understand that. It may be more of an Americanism. I'm not sure. I just like to use the word.

Your inclusion of quotation marks around overseas empire makes no sense. Like or not, we are an empire.
Imperialism=Colonialism Colonialism=Having territory not part of the main country. (In the case of us, any non-incoporated territory). That proves we are an empire.

The Constitution was written before they chose Washington unanimously as President, so he couldn't have been King.
Even before that there was the Articles of Confederation

As popular as he ws and as early in our history as that was I am sure he could have been. After all Russia's constituion has not stopped Putin.

As popular as he ws and as early in our history as that was I am sure he could have been. After all Russia's constituion has not stopped Putin.

Agreed. Thats what makes Washington such a honourable, and insightful guy. - I can't really say the same about Canada's first elected leader, good ol' John A, famous for getting drunk and coming to parliament, throwing up on his opposition and saying certain witty lines about alcoholism.

Agreed. Thats what makes Washington such a honourable, and insightful guy. - I can't really say the same about Canada's first elected leader, good ol' John A, famous for getting drunk and coming to parliament, throwing up on his opposition and saying certain witty lines about alcoholism.

Hey, at least Macdonald was more...exciting. :tongue:

"I throw up on you not because I am drunk, but because you sicken me." - John A. to an Opposition leader

Yeah, ol' John's got a place in my heart too. :D