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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30162229/

Wow, looks like the G20 protesters could use some guidance from Asia.
So what is your feeling on the military Junta in Thailand?
What is your feeling on the ousted Prime Minister (he is an alumni of my school)?
Should the ousted Prime Minister be calling for revolution or not ?

When your friend asks you what the capital of Thailand is, don't answer. :(

When your friend asks you what the capital of Thailand is, don't answer. :(

Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Ayuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Piman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit is the name of the capital of Thailand.
that other name was something lazy Brits came up with when they were to lazy to learned how to pronounce the name, or even the shorten form Krung Thep.

has there ever been a major economic summit without rioting?

SNIP

*says that really quick whilst punching you in the nads*

has there ever been a major economic summit without rioting?


Yeah but I don't recall any incident where they got into the summit building tore up the furniture, and prevented the conference from taking place.

Also what concerns me is this is a major loss of Face for the Thai government, A really big crack down may be eminent.

Too bad they didn't get our president...

Too bad they didn't get our president...

For corruption Thaksin was pretty bad. He exempted several of his family's companies from taxes.

For corruption Thaksin was pretty bad. He exempted several of his family's companies from taxes.
I heard he was bad. Wait till you hear about the president of my country.

I heard he was bad. Wait till you hear about the president of my country.

What did he do ?

What did he do ?
What she did. :D

She was propelled to the presidency after a 2001 revolt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDSA_Revolution_of_2001), after people got sick of the old president's corruption. Supporters of the former president staged a protest a few months later which was brutally crushed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDSA_III). Like any modern president this country had, her government soon plunged into corruption, nepotism (her siblings and children were elected and/or appointed to various government positions), appointment of unqualified supporters to government posts. And, oh, she managed to cheat her way for another six-year term in 2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hello_Garci_scandal). For which there are attempts to impeach her year after year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Macapagal-Arroyo#Impeachment_complaints), which fails miserably always because her erstwhile corrupt cronies control the House of Representatives. She and her government is one endless political crisis and the great fountainhead of scandal. :mad:

But in fairness, that lady is good in managing the economy, the country is not that affected by the crisis, but then again, the boundless bad outweighs whatever good she does... *sighs*

yeah she is a nut cake.

Thailand is only really served well by Shadowlaw!

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30162229/

Wow, looks like the G20 protesters could use some guidance from Asia.
So what is your feeling on the military Junta in Thailand?
What is your feeling on the ousted Prime Minister (he is an alumni of my school)?
Should the ousted Prime Minister be calling for revolution or not ?

I was wondering last night why this hadn't been put up yet...

Anyone want to give me odds on when the next coup is coming?

Yeah but I don't recall any incident where they got into the summit building tore up the furniture, and prevented the conference from taking place.

Also what concerns me is this is a major loss of Face for the Thai government, A really big crack down may be eminent.

Never mind tearing up the place, when was the last time summiting leaders needed an emergency helocopter evacuation to escape the mobs?

On Saturday, the red shirts broke into the Royal Cliff Beach Resort in Pattaya, site of the Asean summit. They smashed through the glass doors of the convention hall and ran through the building, overturning tables, blowing horns, waving Thai flags and screaming "Abhisit get out!"

Asean leaders had to be evacuated by helicopter, the summit was cancelled and the red shirts cheered jubilantly.

Bear in mind, the location of the Royal Cliff Beach Resort is quite easily defendable against any siege, let alone a rabble. Situated high on a cliff, with only one main entrance, the only way the red shirts could have entered was through the sheer incompetence of the authorities.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/14943/an-impotent-government-lets-anarchy-reign

What she did. :D

She was propelled to the presidency after a 2001 revolt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDSA_Revolution_of_2001), after people got sick of the old president's corruption. Supporters of the former president staged a protest a few months later which was brutally crushed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDSA_III). Like any modern president this country had, her government soon plunged into corruption, nepotism (her siblings and children were elected and/or appointed to various government positions), appointment of unqualified supporters to government posts. And, oh, she managed to cheat her way for another six-year term in 2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hello_Garci_scandal). For which there are attempts to impeach her year after year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Macapagal-Arroyo#Impeachment_complaints), which fails miserably always because her erstwhile corrupt cronies control the House of Representatives. She and her government is one endless political crisis and the great fountainhead of scandal. :mad:

But in fairness, that lady is good in managing the economy, the country is not that affected by the crisis, but then again, the boundless bad outweighs whatever good she does... *sighs*

She's no Cori Aquino, that's for sure.

Never mind tearing up the place, when was the last time summiting leaders needed an emergency helocopter evacuation to escape the mobs?


From what I saw, the police response to the rioters was limited to squads of people with riot shields and static barricades. Maybe the commander on the scene didn't want to give orders for gas or firearms to be used.

From what I saw, the police response to the rioters was limited to squads of people with riot shields and static barricades. Maybe the commander on the scene didn't want to give orders for gas or firearms to be used.

Or water cannon. seems like the police didn't expect rioters to attack in such numbers at all.

She's no Cori Aquino, that's for sure.

nah. she's better than Cory Aquino :D the great GMA :hail:

The military has started shooting protesters.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7996241.stm
Expect the country to be a blood bath by Wednesday.

The military has started shooting protesters.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7996241.stm
Expect the country to be a blood bath by Wednesday.

So when the PAD supporters are rioting and occupying government offices and airports, the army stands back and says it wants to avoid violence. When the UDD supporters riot they get shot at. Why does the army even bother pretending its neutral?

I'd feel pretty aggrieved too if I was a UDD supporter. One prime minister deposed by force, another because he appeared on a cookery program. Political party dissolved twice, once by the army and once by the courts. And its still the only political group to have won a Thai election since 2001. Why do I feel like Thailand is the Turkey of South East Asia?

So when the PAD supporters are rioting and occupying government offices and airports, the army stands back and says it wants to avoid violence. When the UDD supporters riot they get shot at. Why does the army even bother pretending its neutral?


The difference being that the PAD supporters weren't using molotov cocktails the UDDs are and were less violent about it? I remember the coverage from the PAD occupation of the airport, and it was remarkably civil. The PAD on the other hand, are a lot more violent and from all accounts, appear intent on blood.

nah. she's better than Cory Aquino :D the great GMA :hail:
Hahaha, lol. :D

Of course, si GMA mas magaling sa kurakot! :hail:

The difference being that the PAD supporters weren't using molotov cocktails the UDDs are and were less violent about it? I remember the coverage from the PAD occupation of the airport, and it was remarkably civil. The PAD on the other hand, are a lot more violent and from all accounts, appear intent on blood.

If you'll recall, some PAD trucks stopped on the way to the airport at checkpoints were heavily armed. If anyone had attempted to move against them, who knows how violent they would have got? The army's response at the time was to suggest that the government resign. Shouldn't they be suggesting the same thing now in the face of these protests?

If you'll recall, some PAD trucks stopped on the way to the airport at checkpoints were heavily armed. If anyone had attempted to move against them, who knows how violent they would have got? The army's response at the time was to suggest that the government resign. Shouldn't they be suggesting the same thing now in the face of these protests?

Heavily armed is one thing. The UDD rioters started things by attacking police positions as well as what they thought was Abihisit's car, not to mention hijacking police vehicles and burning buses.

In short, the UDD fired the first shots. If the PAD had done the same, I would have advocated an armed response and dispersal as I would for the UDD.

Heavily armed is one thing. The UDD rioters started things by attacking police positions as well as what they thought was Abihisit's car, not to mention hijacking police vehicles and burning buses.

In short, the UDD fired the first shots. If the PAD had done the same, I would have advocated an armed response and dispersal as I would for the UDD.

Is there evidence that the UDD started the violence? From what I have read, the army fired into the crowds first, and the petrol bombs and bus burnings were in response to that. I don't know where you read that the police were being attacked because as far as I know the violence in the last few days has involved the army. And the PAD did get violent when the police moved against them.

Is there evidence that the UDD started the violence? From what I have read, the army fired into the crowds first, and the petrol bombs and bus burnings were in response to that. I don't know where you read that the police were being attacked because as far as I know the violence in the last few days has involved the army. And the PAD did get violent when the police moved against them.

The UDD attacking the ASEAN summit without provocation is not them moving first? Mind you, they were also lobbing molotov cocktails as well. And while that was going on, Thaksin's stooges were claiming how they had nothing but their bare hands. Mind you, the reports of the shooting only came days after the first riots and a day after the attempted attack on the ASEAN leaders.

In the meantime, Thaksin appears to be calling for a revolution, claiming that he'd "come back" in the event of violence against the protesters, nevermind that they were already starting the violence.

It's my 2c, but I suspect that Thaksin is funding this riot in the hopes of getting parts of the army elements to side with him, allowing for him to coast back to power.

Since Thaksin is an alumni of my university he can not be so bad. The US should intervene and put him back in power.

Since Thaksin is an alumni of my university he can not be so bad. The US should intervene and put him back in power.

:mad: noooohhhhh US agaiiinnnn????

The Thai government have taken to much guidance from China. :p

The UDD attacking the ASEAN summit without provocation is not them moving first? Mind you, they were also lobbing molotov cocktails as well. And while that was going on, Thaksin's stooges were claiming how they had nothing but their bare hands. Mind you, the reports of the shooting only came days after the first riots and a day after the attempted attack on the ASEAN leaders.

The invasion of the summit was no more violent than the PAD's invasion of the prime minister's offices. Both groups forced their way past security in an attempt to occupy a building to prevent its use. When the PAD did it, the army sat on their thumbs. When the UDD do it, they get shot.

In the meantime, Thaksin appears to be calling for a revolution, claiming that he'd "come back" in the event of violence against the protesters, nevermind that they were already starting the violence.

It's my 2c, but I suspect that Thaksin is funding this riot in the hopes of getting parts of the army elements to side with him, allowing for him to coast back to power.

I have no doubt Thaksin is encouraging it. Why shouldn't he? He is the last person to be elected prime minister of the country. The army have shown themselves to be right behind the urban elite of the PAD and they won't supoort him. Why would the same people that organised a coup against him suddenly decide they want him back?

The invasion of the summit was no more violent than the PAD's invasion of the prime minister's offices. Both groups forced their way past security in an attempt to occupy a building to prevent its use.

I did not see the PAD tossing molotov cocktails, seizing armored vehicles or burning buses if you are referring to the airport seizure incident. I see the UDD doing that well before the shooting began.


I have no doubt Thaksin is encouraging it. Why shouldn't he? He is the last person to be elected prime minister of the country.


Who is also widely despised by the urban people of Thailand who see him as coasting to office by buying rural votes with taxpayer money.

As to why shouldn't he, would you have no problems if Clinton decided to stage a comeback to presidency by fomenting civil unrest?

I did not see the PAD tossing molotov cocktails, seizing armored vehicles or burning buses if you are referring to the airport seizure incident. I see the UDD doing that well before the shooting began.

Evidence that the UDD were throwing bombs before they were shot at?

Who is also widely despised by the urban people of Thailand who see him as coasting to office by buying rural votes with taxpayer money.

And widely respected among the rural poor for imprving living standards including universal health care. Not to mention the winner of three fair elections. If the urban people have a problem with him and his policies they should have defeated him at the ballot box, not through the barrel of a gun.

As to why shouldn't he, would you have no problems if Clinton decided to stage a comeback to presidency by fomenting civil unrest?

No, but then Clinton wasn't deposed by the US army in the middle of his elected term. If he had I would support attempts by him to regain his rightful presidency.