NationStates Jolt Archive

Since 1929 economic tragedy has proved that capitalism simply doesn't work. We can put aside the laissez faire recovery of 1921–1922 as a fluke, of course. Even in Communist countries, Capitalism has proven to bring only starvation and mass death. For example, the Ukrainian famine of the 1920s and 1930s can only be attributed to capitalism. Had it not been for the glorious central planning of Lenin and Stalin the famine would have been many times worse. The Chinese tragedy of the 1970s, during the Cultural Revolution? Capitalism. Had it not been for the greed of the capitalists, Mao's centralization of production would have been a spectacular success.

In the book How Capitalism Saved America, Thomas DiLorenzo describes the faults of central planning and how capitalism is the only economic system in which a free society can live under. DiLorenzo's thesis is no more correct than Ludwig von Mises' Planned Chaos. They are both champions of the businessman. They manage to turn humans into a commodity—labor.

We are not a commodity! We are workers! We are human beings! Workers of the world unite!

What do you mean, "should we"?

What do you mean, "should we"?

the workers as a whole, indivisible

haha, poll

No Hawaiian option? I'm outraged.

No Hawaiian option? I'm outraged.

I thought your kind was exterminated already. Another failure of capitalism to add to the long list.

I thought your kind was exterminated already. Another failure of capitalism to add to the long list.

No, there's still this guy
http://jeanettes-celebrity-corner.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/don-ho414.JPG.

Poll is made of fail.

Poll is made of fail.

Typical Capitalist talk. You are probably in league with Friedrich Hayek.

Yeah, go on then.

Wait, white people are Caucasian if they say no, but "Aryan" if they say yes?

Or by "Aryan" did you actually mean ancient Indo-Iranians?

Or by "Aryan" did you actually mean ancient Indo-Iranians?

Yes, dirty capitalists.

Since 1929 economic tragedy has proved that capitalism simply doesn't work. We can put aside the laissez faire recovery of 1921–1922 as a fluke, of course. Even in Communist countries, Capitalism has proven to bring only starvation and mass death. For example, the Ukrainian famine of the 1920s and 1930s can only be attributed to capitalism. Had it not been for the glorious central planning of Lenin and Stalin the famine would have been many times worse. The Chinese tragedy of the 1970s, during the Cultural Revolution? Capitalism. Had it not been for the greed of the capitalists, Mao's centralization of production would have been a spectacular success.

In the book How Capitalism Saved America, Thomas DiLorenzo describes the faults of central planning and how capitalism is the only economic system in which a free society can live under. DiLorenzo's thesis is no more correct than Ludwig von Mises' Planned Chaos. They are both champions of the businessman. They manage to turn humans into a commodity—labor.

We are not a commodity! We are workers! We are human beings! Workers of the world unite!

*(whispers)* "Pssst! April Fool's Day was over a week ago!"

Nice

Yes, dirty capitalists.

You know, I can't even tell if you're a capitalist trying to make anti-capitalists look bad, or vice versa. Either way you're succeeding!

I am a capitalist, trying to make capitalists look bad, ovsly. The other post was actually a "fluke"; these two threads aren't inter-related. I just had the idea of "advertising" the blog on NSG after posting this thread.

Question: Were Poles from Galicia considered Aryan? This is kind of important.

Since 1929 economic tragedy has proved that capitalism simply doesn't work. We can put aside the laissez faire recovery of 1921–1922 as a fluke, of course. Even in Communist countries, Capitalism has proven to bring only starvation and mass death. For example, the Ukrainian famine of the 1920s and 1930s can only be attributed to capitalism. Had it not been for the glorious central planning of Lenin and Stalin the famine would have been many times worse. The Chinese tragedy of the 1970s, during the Cultural Revolution? Capitalism. Had it not been for the greed of the capitalists, Mao's centralization of production would have been a spectacular success.

In the book How Capitalism Saved America, Thomas DiLorenzo describes the faults of central planning and how capitalism is the only economic system in which a free society can live under. DiLorenzo's thesis is no more correct than Ludwig von Mises' Planned Chaos. They are both champions of the businessman. They manage to turn humans into a commodity—labor.

We are not a commodity! We are workers! We are human beings! Workers of the world unite!


Are you high?

i voted for 'yes-latin' because i believe that we should centrally plan everything in latin. language of the educated elite, donchaknow?

I approve of this excellent poll. :tongue:

I detect a lot of daftroom trolling on nsg, these days.

I maintain that I'm the infinitely more capable troll, though.

Of course. Capitalism is, by it's very nature, oppressive and anti-Democratic. Only Communism can truly set us free! Long live the USSA!

Of course. Capitalism is, by it's very nature, oppressive and anti-Democratic. Only Communism can truly set us free! Long live the USSA!Socialism for moar spiffy monuments. One Statue of Liberty isn't enough. You need at least four dozen.

The Soviets did it with Lenin and Stalin, you can damn well do it with a chick dressed in a bedsheet!

Socialism for moar spiffy monuments. One Statue of Liberty isn't enough. You need at least four dozen.

The Soviets did it with Lenin and Stalin, you can damn well do it with a chick dressed in a bedsheet!

no, no you're doing it all wrong.

The statue of "liberty" is really just a symbol of capitalist oppression, we should tear it down and build in it's place a gigantic statue of Comrade Obama, the first openly gay/atheist/commie dictator of the USSA.

no, no you're doing it all wrong.

The statue of "liberty" is really just a symbol of capitalist oppression, we should tear it down and build in it's place a gigantic statue of Comrade Obama, the first openly gay/atheist/commie dictator of the USSA.Liberty is a term that can, and is used on both sides of the fence. The statue of liberty can thus symbolise socialism just as well as anything else.

And that aside, women in bedsheets > men in uniform.

Granted, women in uniform are an option, too...

I maintain that I'm the infinitely more capable troll, though.

That's sort of like bragging that you can count to 5 better than anyone else.

I detect a lot of daftroom trolling on nsg, these days.
I take offense at being called daft is that is what you are implying sir

good day

Liberty is a term that can, and is used on both sides of the fence. The statue of liberty can thus symbolise socialism just as well as anything else.

Of course it can, but socialism leading to communism is the only true liberty, however the statue of liberty has already been co opted by fascist anti-communists, as a symbol of the USA, and therefore any such symbol must be remade to better represent the newly minted USSA.

Of course it can, but socialism leading to communism is the only true liberty
you better start to kill more people or your fellow communists will stop taking you seriously

Socialism for moar spiffy monuments. One Statue of Liberty isn't enough. You need at least four dozen.

Cult worship is alright, as long as it's of totalitarian leaders who send millions of capitalist jaywalkers to their deaths.

Cult worship is alright, as long as it's of totalitarian leaders who send millions of capitalist jaywalkers to their deaths.

I approve this message, death to communism, fascism, and any form of dictatorship.

Of course. Capitalism is, by it's very nature, oppressive and anti-Democratic. Only Communism can truly set us free! Long live the USSA!

http://mikeely.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/obama-socialist.jpg
:D

http://mikeely.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/obama-socialist.jpg
:D

I wish that would fit in my sig.:D

First, Why is the poll based on Race? What basis does that possibly have on the economy?

Second, you might want to review your history, if anything, centrally planning your economy has a habit of not turning out so well...

First, Why is the poll based on Race? What basis does that possibly have on the economy?

Second, you might want to review your history, if anything, centrally planning your economy has a habit of not turning out so well...

Psst... It was satire...

Psst... It was satire...

Ah, that damned Poe...

That's sort of like bragging that you can count to 5 better than anyone else.Yes, but it beats trying to debate seriously on the 'net, which is kinda like trying to convince some other guy that 2 x 2 is 5, not 3.

The more vital and intrinsecally monopolistic a sector is, the more should it be statalised and planned (railroads and acqueducts are a typical example of that).
Though many, many productions, expecially small-scale, are best kept non-planned so to be more flexible. After all, one of the main problems with the Soviet economy was that the lack of flexibility led to wasting time, resources and labour.



WTF?
Yes—Aryan
Yes—Asian
Yes—Latin
No—Hispanic
No—Black
No—Asian
No—Caucasian
No—Hispanic


What's with the obsession for stupid ethnical identifiers?

i voted for 'yes-latin' because i believe that we should centrally plan everything in latin. language of the educated elite, donchaknow?

I call your latin and raise you ancient greek. Language of the elite amidst the educated elite, dinjanow?

It is only when we struggle in our own interest that the economy pulls society in the right direction. The economy is too powerful and too mysterious for any government to guide. Any man who tells you different either has his hand in your pocket, or a pistol to your neck. A free market moves slowly, but with wisdom. It is our impatience that invites in the Parasite of big government. And once you've invited it in, it will never stop feeding on the body of the nation.

The market does not respond like an infant, shrieking at the first sign of displeasure. The market is patient, and we must be too.

What's with the obsession for stupid ethnical identifiers?

It's Poe, my good friend, it's Satire.

I thought your kind was exterminated already. Another failure of capitalism to add to the long list.

Oh the real native Hawaiins are long gone. Now it's a bunch of posers. :p

Poll is made of fail.Thread is made of fail and troll.

I think we kind of centrally plan our economy at certain levels. As we move closer to the street it becomes more difficult. At a very macro level it does sort of work but as you get lower it does not hold. There are just too many variables to take into account. While we are on the subject I get annoyed with our preoccupation with inflation.

No central planning, thank you very much. Create a centralized system if you like, but don't force me to participate. Force will be met with force.

Hilarious poll/thread.

Communication research shows that the greater the number of decision-makers there are, all things being equal, the more efficient the system becomes. Sort of like having several redundant fuses in lighting your house - share the load, widen your available number of experts and enable those with expertise to rise to the top. Central bureaucracies are antithetical to this.

It's Poe, my good friend, it's Satire.

I see. Meh.

Corporate bureaucrats already centrally plan the economy. The question is not 'should we'.

Communication research shows that the greater the number of decision-makers there are, all things being equal, the more efficient the system becomes. Sort of like having several redundant fuses in lighting your house - share the load, widen your available number of experts and enable those with expertise to rise to the top. Central bureaucracies are antithetical to this.So have everybody participate in planning the economy.

Fuck no.

Granted, women in uniform are an option, too...

If women in uniform was an option I would have voted on this poll!