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What sort of car do you drive or want? What was your favo(u)rite car?


I have a ...
http://members.aceweb.com/ronsmith/cars/990928_18.jpg

What sort of car do you drive or want? What was your favo(u)rite car?


I have a ...
http://members.aceweb.com/ronsmith/cars/990928_18.jpg

Sweeeeet ride!!! I prefer Mercedes. Just a solid car all around.

A very reliable, fuel-efficient and all around good automobile that won't get me speeding tickets or many other infractions often associated with 'dream cars.' So naturally I hate the damn thing. It's a 1997 Ford Escort by the way... with an automatic... :mad:

But I've also acquired a bit of a beast in my travels, just got it insured and registered today after it sat the winter so I'll be tooling around in that for kicks and giggles. It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas. Seems to describe it fairly well other than it isn't actually a Dodge... nor a car... It's a 1980 Chev 3/4 ton and if all goes according to plan it'll be pulling my winter home around for years to come. :D

What sort of car do you drive or want? What was your favo(u)rite car?


I have a ...
http://members.aceweb.com/ronsmith/cars/990928_18.jpg

I have an 4wd '03 Chevy Silverado RCSB.

...But I've also acquired a bit of a beast in my travels, just got it insured and registered today after it sat the winter so I'll be tooling around in that for kicks and giggles. Seems to describe it fairly well other than it isn't actually a Dodge... nor a car... It's a 1980 Chev 3/4 ton and if all goes according to plan it'll be pulling my winter home around for years to come. :D

Pics, please. :D

Don't get a smooth ass sports car. Makes you look ...lacking in the weener department.

I saw a guy at the grocery store recently driving some mega expensive sports car. I had to hold my tongue. I wanted to tell him .. you are a bullseye.

I'm talking big money cars, not rebuilt classics. Though if someone knows they will get them too.. but usually they are not on the front of shit stolen.

I've always wanted a Honda Civic 2002-2003 Edition.

Picture (http://terravali.com/testimonials/03civicT.jpg) <------

I've always wanted a Honda Civic 2002-2003 Edition.

Picture (http://terravali.com/testimonials/03civicT.jpg) <------

My first car was similar. 97 Honda CRX. Was a good car. Straight drive. Until my sorry ass bf of the time stole it and ripped the clutch out. Dumbass. I was drunk and passed out at the time.. so I was stupid too. But at least I knew how to drive a damn straight.

Does anyone know the price range for a 02-03 Civic?

Don't get a smooth ass sports car. Makes you look ...lacking in the weener department.

I saw a guy at the grocery store recently driving some mega expensive sports car. I had to hold my tongue. I wanted to tell him .. you are a bullseye.

I'm talking big money cars, not rebuilt classics. Though if someone knows they will get them too.. but usually they are not on the front of shit stolen.
If you're buying a car because of what others will think of your penis, regardless of adjustment, you're shopping in the wrong aisle, my friend.

I'm sick of this bullshit attitude. I've been around car people all my life and I gotta tell you, the dick never comes up. I think it's people who themselves are insecure about their own 'gifts' that project this issue onto people who have tastes for rides with a little engagement.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5896/veronicaa.jpg
This is my ride.

Lately, I've been coveting a Porsche 356 Outlaw:
http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/1953_Porsche_356_Pre_A_Parts_Obsolete_Emory_Outlaw_Profile_1.jpg
Basically a lightly modified 356, or heavily, depending on how far you want to go:
http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/04/Chopped_356_494.jpg
This one really, though, is a dressed up 914-6.

I never get behind the wheel of the same vehicle twice. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M6c-ApfKEk)

If you're buying a car because of what others will think of your penis, regardless of adjustment, you're shopping in the wrong aisle, my friend.

I'm sick of this bullshit attitude. I've been around car people all my life and I gotta tell you, the dick never comes up. I think it's people who themselves are insecure about their own 'gifts' that project this issue onto people who have tastes for rides with a little engagement.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5896/veronicaa.jpg
This is my ride.

Lately, I've been coveting a Porsche 356 Outlaw:
http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/1953_Porsche_356_Pre_A_Parts_Obsolete_Emory_Outlaw_Profile_1.jpg
Basically a lightly modified 356, or heavily, depending on how far you want to go:
http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/04/Chopped_356_494.jpg
This one really, though, is a dressed up 914-6.

Are you saynig men never buy these rides to compensate? That is what I was saying. I was not saying that women, in general, would believe it.

Women that go after dudes with high dollar cars are nothing but gold diggers or whores.

gots me a honda fit after recently getting rid of a 1990 accord with 225k on it

That Porsche 356 Outlaw looks so sweet.

I want to ride that all around Europe.

And your ride shows confidence. Of course.. you are a car guy. You like and appreciate automobiles etc. but you are gladly willing to show your pride and joy VW Bus .. without having a rolls or whatthehellever laid away in your garage.

I had a car once. Then this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DIw6jhI4FY) happened (look carefully at the dust cloud).

Now I'm probably going to have to buy a shitbox (http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/results.aspx?postcode=4070&keywords=&distance=100&PriceTo=442&N=1216+1246+1247+1252+1282+4294962861+4294962707+442&Nf=p_GeoLocation_String|GCLT+-27.55885,152.8725+102.6&Nne=15&tsrc=allcarhome) soon to get to uni. And then, next year when I earn some money, I'll get (http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/results.aspx?PriceTo=445&Ntt=Evo&tsrc=allcarhome&keywords=Evo&N=1216+1246+1247+1252+1282+4294964597+4294966896+395+445&PriceFrom=395&Ntk=CarAll&Dx=mode+matchany&Nne=15&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&D=Evo) something (http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?R=7029400&__sid=11FFF5B59D65&__Qpb=true&Cr=3&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_Price_Decimal|1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294965279%20395%20445&PriceFrom=395&PriceTo=445&seot=0&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=15&silo=1011) half-decent (http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/results.aspx?PriceTo=445&N=1216+1246+1247+1252+1282+4294963846+4294963454+395+445&PriceFrom=395&keywords=&tsrc=allcarhome&Nne=15).

Of course, what I actually want is a different (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_911_GT3) story (http://www.wiesmann-auto-sport.de/ewirstart.html) alltogether (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koenigsegg_CCX#CCXR).

Are you saynig men never buy these rides to compensate? That is what I was saying. I was not saying that women, in general, would believe it.

Women that go after dudes with high dollar cars are nothing but gold diggers or whores.
I am saying that it is a bullshit myth projected on those who like cars by people insecure with their own situations, yes.

And in regards to theft targets, in 2008 the most stolen cars in California according to https://www.nicb.org/cps/rde/xchg/nicb/hs.xsl/index.htm:
1. Honda Accord (1991)
2. Honda Civic (1995)
3. Toyota Camry (1989)
4. Acura Integra (1994)
5. Nissan Sentra (1994)
6. Toyota Pickup (1988)
7. Chevy Full Size C/K 1500 (2004)
8. Saturn SL (1995)
9. Toyota Corolla (2007)
10. Ford F150 Series (1997)

Looks like you were a bigger target in that Civic than the person in the sports car.

I am saying that it is a bullshit myth projected on those who like cars by people insecure with their own situations, yes.

And in regards to theft targets, in 2008 the most stolen cars in California according to https://www.nicb.org/cps/rde/xchg/nicb/hs.xsl/index.htm:
1. Honda Accord (1991)
2. Honda Civic (1995)
3. Toyota Camry (1989)
4. Acura Integra (1994)
5. Nissan Sentra (1994)
6. Toyota Pickup (1988)
7. Chevy Full Size C/K 1500 (2004)
8. Saturn SL (1995)
9. Toyota Corolla (2007)
10. Ford F150 Series (1997)

Looks like you were a bigger target in that Civic than the person in the sports car.

Of course Honda is gonna be at the top. More common. That dude I spoke about was driving a Nissan 300? I'm not up to date on Nissans. But being in a crime ridden community driving that.. I'm sorry but you have a bullseye on you .. I'd say. If I was robbing someone .. I'd target them before the dude driving a 84 Cutlass.

I wasn't speaking specifically of stealing their car and chopping it, I was talking about robbing them.

Though a Cutlass can look good. Heh. http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8964/1983ho1dq3.jpg

And your ride shows confidence. Of course.. you are a car guy. You like and appreciate automobiles etc. but you are gladly willing to show your pride and joy VW Bus .. without having a rolls or whatthehellever laid away in your garage.
A Bus is a sweet ride, there wouldn't be a reason to be ashamed of it. Hell, about once a month some dude tries to buy it off me.
I had a car once. Then this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DIw6jhI4FY) happened (look carefully at the dust cloud).

Now I'm probably going to have to buy a shitbox (http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/results.aspx?postcode=4070&keywords=&distance=100&PriceTo=442&N=1216+1246+1247+1252+1282+4294962861+4294962707+442&Nf=p_GeoLocation_String|GCLT+-27.55885,152.8725+102.6&Nne=15&tsrc=allcarhome) soon to get to uni. And then, next year when I earn some money, I'll get (http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/results.aspx?PriceTo=445&Ntt=Evo&tsrc=allcarhome&keywords=Evo&N=1216+1246+1247+1252+1282+4294964597+4294966896+395+445&PriceFrom=395&Ntk=CarAll&Dx=mode+matchany&Nne=15&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&D=Evo) something (http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?R=7029400&__sid=11FFF5B59D65&__Qpb=true&Cr=3&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_Price_Decimal|1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294965279%20395%20445&PriceFrom=395&PriceTo=445&seot=0&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=15&silo=1011) half-decent (http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/results.aspx?PriceTo=445&N=1216+1246+1247+1252+1282+4294963846+4294963454+395+445&PriceFrom=395&keywords=&tsrc=allcarhome&Nne=15).

Of course, what I actually want is a different (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_911_GT3) story (http://www.wiesmann-auto-sport.de/ewirstart.html) alltogether (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koenigsegg_CCX#CCXR).
Good lord...I honestly don't know if I want to tell you "You're not going to get the Corolla with the 'pimpin' ain't easy' wheels on it or salute you for rocking said wheels on a car like that. I have always wanted an inappropriate low rider like a Datsun B210 or something...

A Bus is a sweet ride, there wouldn't be a reason to be ashamed of it. Hell, about once a month some dude tries to buy it off me.

Good lord...I honestly don't know if I want to tell you "You're not going to get the Corolla with the 'pimpin' ain't easy' wheels on it or salute you for rocking said wheels on a car like that. I have always wanted an inappropriate low rider like a Datsun B210 or something...

Dudes with much 'finer' automobiles I bet. So they can go around like yeah. Or you just get so much arse.. even regular joes want your ride. lol

Good lord...I honestly don't know if I want to tell you "You're not going to get the Corolla with the 'pimpin' ain't easy' wheels on it or salute you for rocking said wheels on a car like that. I have always wanted an inappropriate low rider like a Datsun B210 or something...
Hehe, it's pretty phat, no?

No, it's just on top of the list of Corrolas for less than $5k AU. I have no particular intentions of buying that car. I'd much rather get a WRX, but I don't have the cash...:(

I simply do not have an automobile, even though I plan to have it someday.
First because I have other priorities - it's quite difficult to buy an own house in the real world, isn't it? Second because I am really for public transportation - and even when I get my auto I plan to continue commuting to work and other weekday affairs: my car will be the wings of someone who doesn't care to be found on weekends :) - and finally because I need to learn how to drive properly - last attempt made me ask the Government to use rubber posts...

Nice Easter to all!

Of course Honda is gonna be at the top. More common. That dude I spoke about was driving a Nissan 300? I'm not up to date on Nissans. But being in a crime ridden community driving that.. I'm sorry but you have a bullseye on you .. I'd say. If I was robbing someone .. I'd target them before the dude driving a 84 Cutlass.

I wasn't speaking specifically of stealing their car and chopping it, I was talking about robbing them.

Though a Cutlass can look good. Heh. http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8964/1983ho1dq3.jpg
The only person I know who has had their car stolen, as it turns out, owned a Cutlass.

A Nissan 300 is a mass produced car. If it was a 300 that's a 15 year old car that goes for under $10k. Also, robbing someone in an expensive car isn't as natural as you'd like to believe. Those people are not likely to be carrying cash and will only have credit cards that will just be canceled before being put to any use. A flashy car is also something easy to be picked out after being stolen vs. a car that blends in with every other car on the road. By percentage, they just aren't as targeted.

Don't be into them, that's fine. They aren't for everyone and in fact force a lot of compromises on what most people need a car for in their daily lives. A Fit (Jazz) is a good little car and does what people need, Corollas are economic to own. A car is a tool and you can be more into what the tool does for you than what you can do with it beyond that. But don't create a lot of bullshit about people who are willing to sacrifice some of that everyday function for something they can enjoy a little more for whatever reason. It says more about you than it really says about them.

Dudes with much 'finer' automobiles I bet. So they can go around like yeah. Or you just get so much arse.. even regular joes want your ride. lol
It's ranged from scruffy travelers looking for a nostalgic ride to a millionaire who built his company on the back of a Bus like mine. They come from all walks. Or people who just like old VWs. Not one of them asks or implies how much 'tail' I got or get. The only question I really get is if I plan on taking it to Reggae on the River or Burning Man.

Seriously. Sometimes a cigar is just a good smoke. Even Frued wasn't this fixated.
Hehe, it's pretty phat, no?

No, it's just on top of the list of Corrolas for less than $5k AU. I have no particular intentions of buying that car. I'd much rather get a WRX, but I don't have the cash...:(
They don't have CRXs in Australia? 45mpg and sporty and under $5k? Plus, if you're a nerd you can pretend it's the launched cockpit off a giant robot...

A Bus is a sweet ride, there wouldn't be a reason to be ashamed of it. Hell, about once a month some dude tries to buy it off me.

understandably

The only person I know who has had their car stolen, as it turns out, owned a Cutlass.

A Nissan 300 is a mass produced car. If it was a 300 that's a 15 year old car that goes for under $10k. Also, robbing someone in an expensive car isn't as natural as you'd like to believe. Those people are not likely to be carrying cash and will only have credit cards that will just be canceled before being put to any use. A flashy car is also something easy to be picked out after being stolen vs. a car that blends in with every other car on the road. By percentage, they just aren't as targeted.

Don't be into them, that's fine. They aren't for everyone and in fact force a lot of compromises on what most people need a car for in their daily lives. A Fit (Jazz) is a good little car and does what people need, Corollas are economic to own. A car is a tool and you can be more into what the tool does for you than what you can do with it beyond that. But don't create a lot of bullshit about people who are willing to sacrifice some of that everyday function for something they can enjoy a little more for whatever reason. It says more about you than it really says about them.

Oj. It must not of been a 300. It was 'new' I might not know names but I knnow a new car when I see it. Whatever the hell Nissan has come out with .. I will find it. Ok going by what the Nissan site .. it's like the GT-R. Whatever was it's equal a year or 2 years ago, that's the car.


It's ranged from scruffy travelers looking for a nostalgic ride to a millionaire who built his company on the back of a Bus like mine. They come from all walks. Or people who just like old VWs. Not one of them asks or implies how much 'tail' I got or get. The only question I really get is if I plan on taking it to Reggae on the River or Burning Man.

Seriously. Sometimes a cigar is just a good smoke. Even Frued wasn't this fixated.


I see what you are saying. Gonna be hard to not label some pricks as pricks tho. I will try to remember what you said tho.

This is the car I plan to buy soon;
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3179/2848570414_a599a58196.jpg?v=0

But before I can get it my wife insists on this:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/152/432587797_eedfc4fcae.jpg?v=0

and since neither can fit my whole family we'll have to have this for family trips;
http://www.prokoloff.net/data/source/model_auto_prokoloff/photo/montana.jpg

This is the car I plan to buy soon;
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3179/2848570414_a599a58196.jpg?v=0



That car has been 'coming out' longer than a lot of cars have been in production. By the time it comes out it might be part of a GM fire sale...I'm hoping it still makes it to the Koni Challenge racing series with the Challenger and Mustang and BMWs and 911s...it's like the heyday of Trans Am racing. Right before all these companies to collapse again (RIP AMC from that period...)

This is the car I plan to buy soon;
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3179/2848570414_a599a58196.jpg?v=0

But before I can get it my wife insists on this:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/152/432587797_eedfc4fcae.jpg?v=0

and since neither can fit my whole family we'll have to have this for family trips;
http://www.prokoloff.net/data/source/model_auto_prokoloff/photo/montana.jpg

Dude. The first one looks like a Mustang with a chevy emblem on it. You wanting a Mustang?

I got my license when I was 16 on the dot. I had already been driving for a while.. my go carts, my 4 wheelers, on my mom and pops lap. Their Horizon and Yugo.

Best car I ever had I (time/Maintenance) was a 87 Pontiac Grand Am SE.

The 87 Honda CRX was good too. It's just after dumbass ripped the clutch out, it was gone (outside my say).. and I got the automatic. That CRX would've lasted many more years.

Pics, please. :D

Give me a week, it's about 5 hours south of where I live at the moment. It was rebuilt about 7 or 8 years ago though and it's in really damn good shape from spending everyone of those years outside hauling a horse trailers around. :tongue:


Does anyone know the price range for a 02-03 Civic?

Ah yes, my little bro owns a 2002 model. Rather half of one actually, the parents still own the other half as of yet. :tongue: The seller was a friend of my father's so he got it for around 10 grand (canadian) which is less than what it should have been sold for. Civics tend to hold their value which does say something about them. Good luck in your search.

As for a car I would love to have parked in my garage? Caterham Roadsport please. (http://www.caterham.co.uk/assets/html/showroom/roadsport.html) :D

As for a car I would love to have parked in my garage? Caterham Roadsport please. (http://www.caterham.co.uk/assets/html/showroom/roadsport.html) :D

I have a hard time justifying this because really, the Caterham is what the Super 7 would be if Lotus had kept making it and the original Super 7 was a kit car, so there is no reason at all to think of the Caterham as anything other than a legitimate Super 7, but I just keep thinking I'd rather have an 'original' Lotus Super 7 even though it's slower and more rattly.

I have a hard time justifying this because really, the Caterham is what the Super 7 would be if Lotus had kept making it and the original Super 7 was a kit car, so there is no reason at all to think of the Caterham as anything other than a legitimate Super 7, but I just keep thinking I'd rather have an 'original' Lotus Super 7 even though it's slower and more rattly.

Yes ,Chapman and Lotus were the original creators; but I would argue the 7 is now more Caterham's baby than Lotus' seeing as Caterham has had the rights to it for the last 37 years. I've got nothing against the original 7 that Lotus produced, but something has to be said about building your own track ready car from a box full of parts. :)

If you're buying a car because of what others will think of your penis, regardless of adjustment, you're shopping in the wrong aisle, my friend.

I'm sick of this bullshit attitude. I've been around car people all my life and I gotta tell you, the dick never comes up. I think it's people who themselves are insecure about their own 'gifts' that project this issue onto people who have tastes for rides with a little engagement.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5896/veronicaa.jpg
This is my ride.

Lately, I've been coveting a Porsche 356 Outlaw:
http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/1953_Porsche_356_Pre_A_Parts_Obsolete_Emory_Outlaw_Profile_1.jpg
Basically a lightly modified 356, or heavily, depending on how far you want to go:
http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/04/Chopped_356_494.jpg
This one really, though, is a dressed up 914-6.

This is my ride.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VagH3b9TpaU/SKDvCJChL5I/AAAAAAAABeE/-KyKD61RjaU/s400/426976902_62cc73d73e_b.jpg

not sure what is says about my penis though.

This is my ride.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VagH3b9TpaU/SKDvCJChL5I/AAAAAAAABeE/-KyKD61RjaU/s400/426976902_62cc73d73e_b.jpg
I dig those. One of the only modern cars I would want is an R32.

not sure what is says about my penis though.
Nothing.

280z needs restoring.

I have to settle for an SC300 now. It's a nice car aside from not being a Datsun and want of stick-shift.

Fuck automatics. Seriously.

The car I have:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l192/whereyouthinkyougoing/bilder2397.jpg

A 1996 Opel Astra F, inherited from my grandparents, automatic and all.

The car I'd like to have: http://images.google.de/images?hl=de&q=k%C3%A4fer%20cabrio&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Sweeeeet ride!!! I prefer Mercedes. Just a solid car all around.
Doesn't the build quality give you trouble? The word's that it's somewhat french for the last decade.
They are very nice as far as the interior goes, but I personally hate the handling. Even that Honda Civic feels more pleasant to drive.


Does anyone know the price range for a 02-03 Civic?
~9 grand right off in a good to perfect condition, but if you search and haggle, down to 7. If you're OK with high mileage and less perfect condition, less, but they're far from the fastest depreciating cars.

Sweeeeet ride!!! I prefer Mercedes. Just a solid car all around.

As long as the car was built before the massive infusion of computers. My 300D is just about perfect. Last of the W124 body, last of the 5 cylinder diesels. It represents the pinnacle of engineering in 1994.

I drive a 2001 Saturn L series.

I want to drive one of these:
http://www.wrgs.com/gazelle1.jpg

Its a Mercedes gazelle.

I am saying that it is a bullshit myth projected on those who like cars by people insecure with their own situations, yes.

Actually, as a woman, in my (limited) experience with men who have nice cars (most guys I've dated don't own cars) they are compensating for something. The guys who don't have cars or have sensible cars... well... they don't have to compensate for anything (at least of the ones I've encountered in this manner).

I have a theory that the guys who are utter asses at bars are compensating too. I haven't tested this theory though (nor do I want to).

...also, I would totally not mind having a vw microbus.

Cars go Beep beep, and vroom vroom, and I put gas and oil in them... the rest is details I'm not to clear on.

What about women who drive "nice" cars?

I would like to own a peugeot 406 coupe (that is the one designed by pininfarina). I just think it's pretty and understated, unlike most other cars that aren't at least thirty years old.

Why some people want to add hideous spoilers to this model, or mod it to become a fake ferrari, is beyond my comprehension.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Peugeot_406_Coupe_rear.jpg
http://img.netcarshow.com/Peugeot-406_Coupe_2001_1600x1200_wallpaper_03.jpg
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=12120&vf=1&l=WA

Actually, as a woman, in my (limited) experience with men who have nice cars (most guys I've dated don't own cars) they are compensating for something. The guys who don't have cars or have sensible cars... well... they don't have to compensate for anything (at least of the ones I've encountered in this manner).
"Nice cars", that is the type you would potentially impress someone with, are usually sensible, at least in the sense that you can transport at least that female passenger in sufficient comfort.

Do you know what would happen if someone tried to take a girl home in a Lotus Elise, or an Ariel Atom, or some sort of Caterham? There'd be pneumonia and back spasms.

Anyways, the point is that not all of us have the money, or even the skill, to drive cars professionally. That doesn't have to mean that we're not allowed to drive fast cars if we derive enjoyment from it, does it? I'm not hurting anyone, and if a girl doesn't like my car we can catch a bus, I don't mind.

Oh, and funny (if you know that Australian ad campaign where they suggest that people who speed, or drive fast cars, are underendowed): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stdJd598Dtg

What about women who drive "nice" cars?
Seen their boobs?

Fake, I'm telling you. Fake.

Actually, as a woman, in my (limited) experience with men who have nice cars (most guys I've dated don't own cars) they are compensating for something.
Well, you see, the problem is - noticed how slim these nice cars are? Extremely flat, and there's little space wasted around the driver. Little legroom, little headroom, and, as that goes, very little cockroom.

So imagine Long Dong Silvers coming into a Ferrari dealership. What will they say? Well, that's what they'll say. "Signore! What is dei macaroni in front of dai vostri pantaloni? Get it covered and close vostre zip fly!"
"No, no test drive for you, americano stupido! Ze Ferrari is not vostro madre's analo, it does non stretch! Where will vostro 1'8" go? Through the windscreen! Get out of here before we make a pasta sieve out of voi!"


What is he to do? Through the crossfire of Tommy guns, he'll run over the corner and hide in the Cheap Cars Dealership.
"Sir! Could you help me please?" - he'll ask after making sure no one is around. Then he'll whisper - "Please, I have... [looking around again]... well, that thing, it is 1'8", and I... you know..."
"Of course, sir. We happen to have exactly what you need! It's called Nissan Sunny. Yes, it only makes 85 horsepower, and the interior is one hundred percent plastic, and it looks like a white good because it is one. But look at the cockroom! Just try it out!"
"Oh, yeah! This is exactly what I've been looking for in the last twenty years! Thank you, sir, you are my savior! How much is it? Just 10 grand? That's... simply amazing!"

I drive a Saturn Vue. It is pretty cool. I suppose if money were no option maybe a Rolls Royce, Bentley Silver Cloud, Forest Green Jaguar with the Jaguar hood ornament, Newer Cadillacs look pretty good.

I would never get a sports car what is the point of spending all that money and then being cramped and uncomfortable.

Well I would really like to own a Jaguar XJ220.

But for now I'll drive my Saturn SC1 with a hopped up SC2 engine.:(

I own a BMW 735i, a 750iL, and a 1994 Mercury Grand Marquis that has only 31,000 miles on it. That was a lucky find.

Right now I'm looking at a Mercedes-Benz 500 SEC, but I don't know if I'll buy it.

Pics, please. :D

Sorry to dig up an old thread, but this is the first time I've managed to have my beast and my computer in the same location. Just for you Gun Manufacturers, one 1980 Chevy 3/4 Camper Special. It has 3 speed with a low gear so highway driving is an adventure (it'll do 120+ km/h with a nice tailwind :tongue:) but seems to enjoy cruising at 105 km/h dead on. The radio is broke so I was nearly tearing my hair out after the 5 hour drive home with it. But it runs like a top. :)

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs007.snc1/2844_90686509852_779899852_2453320_3633015_n.jpg

I actually plan to get a motorcycle soon.

Honda CRF230M

http://www.bikeland.org/misc/2009/honda/2009_honda_04.jpg

I have a really old Toyota Camry. I hope to purchase a smart car this summer. (if I can save up enough money to pay cash)

I actually plan to get a motorcycle soon.

Honda CRF230M

http://www.bikeland.org/misc/2009/honda/2009_honda_04.jpg
That type of motorcycle is really hard to control in inclement weather. Are you sure you don't want one that's sturdier?

I actually plan to get a motorcycle soon.

Honda CRF230M

http://www.bikeland.org/misc/2009/honda/2009_honda_04.jpg

That's a henchmen's bike. You'll just end up jumping that into a pile of crates in an alley somewhere chasing the hero and his girl.

That type of motorcycle is really hard to control in inclement weather. Are you sure you don't want one that's sturdier?

Well I want a good first time motorcycle, since this is my first motorcycle, and this is one of several I've been looking at.

I'm also looking at the Honda Nighthawk

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m254/jwbradbury/Nighthawk_large_01.jpg

Well I want a good first time motorcycle, since this is my first motorcycle, and this is one of several I've been looking at.

I'm also looking at the Honda Nighthawk

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m254/jwbradbury/Nighthawk_large_01.jpg

I really like the Honda Rebel. I might buy one for Hubby.

I actually plan to get a motorcycle soon.

Same here. I'd like to sell my relatively fuel efficient car and buy a really fuel efficient motorcycle for the spring/summer/fall. I'll use the truck on days when I hate the environment and in the winter.

Well I want a good first time motorcycle, since this is my first motorcycle, and this is one of several I've been looking at.

I'm also looking at the Honda Nighthawk

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m254/jwbradbury/Nighthawk_large_01.jpg

That was my first (and so far only) bike, and it was awesome. Naturally, mine was of the vintage variety, like so:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/196/521364429_6a3833efa1.jpg
with a rattle can black paint job and no badges, it was the most unassuming motorcycle ever. Proper kick start, enough power that I could get going but not too much to get me in trouble. $400 at a cycle salvage shop, I got kindness from crotch rockets and hogs who knew, "Hey, this is this guy's first bike and all he could afford. Welcome to the club." Fucking loved it. As soon as money allows, I'm getting one of these (depending on money and/or availability):
Norton Commando
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2329/2279055530_b25a606b56.jpg
Ducati Sport Classic 1000
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3225/2700540840_d3a6f96834.jpg
Harley Night Train
http://katalog-motocyklu.cz/clanky/harley-davidson-night-train-1.jpg
Or maybe a Triumph Chopper
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2341/2267654743_f124794969.jpg
(though I favor the low rat look)
or cafe racer
http://www.vintagebike.co.uk/Bike%20Directories/Norton%20Bikes/images/Norton-Commando-Cafe-Racer.jpg
I'm not really a military fetishist, but an old Indian Army bike would be cool
http://www.sales.indianmotorbikes.com/741/military741b56.jpg

You shouldn't post so many pics, or you might provoke me or someone else to make the quintessential 50 Porsches Post.

What makes it different from the 50 Hitlers Post though is that all of these can easily be different.

You shouldn't post so many pics, or you might provoke me or someone else to make the quintessential 50 Porsches Post.

If you're trying to warn someone off with the threat of Porsches, you've really picked the wrong cat.

You shouldn't post so many pics, or you might provoke me or someone else to make the quintessential 50 Porsches Post.

What makes it different from the 50 Hitlers Post though is that all of these can easily be different.

This one (http://www.stephaneortelli.net/archives/archives08/imactu08/porsche_935_moby-dick_1.jpg) is in there right? The 50 Porsches not 50 Hitlers.

This one (http://www.stephaneortelli.net/archives/archives08/imactu08/porsche_935_moby-dick_1.jpg) is in there right? The 50 Porsches not 50 Hitlers.

mmmm...Moby Dick...(well...that doesn't sound right at all...)

I've not only seen it in person, I've seen (and heard) it run in anger at Laguna Seca.

As well as this bad boy (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3261/2675050490_a7f7e30a7a.jpg)...at the bottom of turn 8 it squats down, belches fire and throws itself from turn nine to ten...the pace car for the Can Am event looked like it was running away from monsters.

This one (http://www.stephaneortelli.net/archives/archives08/imactu08/porsche_935_moby-dick_1.jpg) is in there right? The 50 Porsches not 50 Hitlers.
This one makes me drool, you bastard. The second fastest car ever built outside of Formula 1... the first being the Porsche 917.


If you're trying to warn someone off with the threat of Porsches, you've really picked the wrong cat.
50 cars, all of them ripped right off a 1934 Chezh car, yet each of them faster than your 2009 model! Not scary, you say?

Consider this a warning.

http://vault10.webs.com/V10Porsche.jpg

This one makes me drool, you bastard. The second fastest car ever built outside of Formula 1... the first being the Porsche 917.



50 cars, all of them ripped right off a 1934 Chezh car, yet each of them faster than your 2009 model! Not scary, you say?

Consider this a warning.

http://vault10.webs.com/V10Porsche.jpg

I camped in a cramped rental car at a race track for the fiftieth anniversary celebration so I could sleep amongst Porsches that normally wouldn't even leave the factory museum. I sat and drank beers with a team of mechanics as they sorted out an issue with the #20 Gulf Porsche 917k...yes, that 917...I impatiently got Phil Hill's autograph because he was keeping me from the tent where Porsche 001 was.

Now you have to ask yourself...are you threatening such a person with Porsches?

I camped in a cramped rental car at a race track for the fiftieth anniversary celebration so I could sleep amongst Porsches that normally wouldn't even leave the factory museum. I sat and drank beers with a team of mechanics as they sorted out an issue with the #20 Gulf Porsche 917k...yes, that 917...I impatiently got Phil Hill's autograph because he was keeping me from the tent where Porsche 001 was.
That's real cool, man. Any Stuttgart product with its engine in the wrong place you're driving now or planning to get?


Now you have to ask yourself...are you threatening such a person with Porsches?
Porsches threaten everyone.

It's also why a Porsche 935 is safer and more environmentally friendly than a Toyota Prius. While the vile Prius sneaks behind small animals to murder them, the noise of the 3.2-liter, 950-horsepower Porsche 935 flat-six instills uncontrollable, primeval fear into every creature in a quarter-mile radius, giving them almost seven seconds to get out of its way.

I share a '07 Mercedes E350 with my mother, lol.

Right now it's a tie between a Mazda and a smart car(thats right, that little car that gets 60 miles to the gallon.)

That's real cool, man. Any Stuttgart product with its engine in the wrong place you're driving now or planning to get?

Right now just the Wolfsburg cousin. I had a 1973 914 before I bought my bus (Oh noes! Poor manz Porsche lul!...yeah, well...I'm poor. What of it? Should I be buying the 'rich mans' Honda?)

Should I start making adult money (any time now...I've been an adult almost long enough to have spawned an adult and had my degree for three years now...) I currently covet a Porsche 356 Outlaw, which I believe I already said in this thread now that I think about it. I saw a genuine 935 for sale not too long ago and while I don't like the slant nose look I had to admit I was checking what the lottery prize was at...


Porsches threaten everyone.
the noise of the 3.2-liter, 950-horsepower Porsche 935 flat-six instills uncontrollable, primeval fear into every creature in a quarter-mile radius, giving them almost seven seconds to get out of its way.

I'm not going to get into the whole environmental issue but I remember an issue of a British car magazine when the Viper GT-2 came out. They did a side by side road trip comparison with the 911 GT2 of the time. They showed a rear photo of the Viper with the caption, "Nothing says power like the tail end of a Viper." Under that was a photo of the 911 GT2 with the caption "Nothing says 'Sod off' like the tail end of a Porsche GT2"

Right now it's a tie between a Mazda and a smart car(thats right, that little car that gets 60 miles to the gallon.)

One of the coolest things I've seen is an old Fiat 500 sharing a parallel parking space with a Smart ForTwo.

EDIT:
This, too- (http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr161/un_walrus/Germany/bilder2280.jpg)

3 at the moment.

1989 Volvo 780 Beratone
2007 Impala SS ( now has an MS3 cam, full corsa exhaust, and of course a completely new suspension ), with the new suspension, its so rough its almost underivable. So I tend to stay away from driving it at this point.
1999 Honda Civic- My winter beater/daily driver whenever its shitty out

Handlening? Oh boy.

Volvo= Handles like a pontoon boat.
Impala= Now handles very very well, the cam helped out alot with power as well.
1999 Civic= better than you would expect

Right now just the Wolfsburg cousin. I had a 1973 914 before I bought my bus (Oh noes! Poor manz Porsche lul!...yeah, well...I'm poor. What of it? Should I be buying the 'rich mans' Honda?)
Rich man's Honda = NSX?
Well... these babies cost like a 996. Though they're cool. But nowhere near the Porsches.

BTW, I recall your story about the unheroic death of the 914... A sad moment indeed. The 914s weren't built quite like the 911 series.

But the 914 isn't bad really. At least it's mid-engined. The much more expensive 928 and 944 aren't. And 914 is pretty, which can't be said about the 928.


Should I start making adult money (any time now...I've been an adult almost long enough to have spawned an adult and had my degree for three years now...) I currently covet a Porsche 356 Outlaw, which I believe I already said in this thread now that I think about it. I saw a genuine 935 for sale not too long ago and while I don't like the slant nose look I had to admit I was checking what the lottery prize was at...
Oh, come on! Don't tell me you would even consider turning down a 935 because you don't like the slant nose.

356s are awesome, but somewhat expensive for what they are. Not too much for a classic, though. I know they are real fun to drive, but that's still not quite worth the price. But if I were collecting classic cars, I guess a 356C would be the second one I'd hunt after the Plymouth GTX.


They showed a rear photo of the Viper with the caption, "Nothing says power like the tail end of a Viper." Under that was a photo of the 911 GT2 with the caption "Nothing says 'Sod off' like the tail end of a Porsche GT2"
Yeah. And BTW one thing I love is the videos of brats on riced-up Mustangs "racing" every car they see on the highway. Occasionally they run across Porsches, and only a couple times out of a hundred have I seen the Porsche driver even pay attention.

I wish the GT2 wasn't so damn expensive... I'm struggling to afford at least the C4S or hopefully a Turbo, for it at least can be tuned to come close to GT2. Working on the futures market rather than a lottery, though; better chances here. If I succeed, I'm definitely getting the one on the pic. If I fail, I might be in the market for a really beaten-up 964 if not a 914. No chance at the GT2, though. The damn things don't depreciate at all.

1999 Civic= better than you would expect
The Civics are all great handlers, especially the older ones with double wishbone on both ends. They turn like a low-end sports car, and I mean a sports car, not a muscle car. A mile away from the Corolla, and two miles away from anything American of comparable size. Surprising cars, the right choice in their segment definitely. A good Civic feels like it's half a class above its pricemates, in everything from luxury to driving experience.

Rich man's Honda = NSX?
Well... these babies cost like a 996. Though they're cool. But nowhere near the Porsches.
No, it's just one of the snap backs I would have whenever someone clucked their tongue at my car.


Oh, come on! Don't tell me you would even consider turning down a 935 because you don't like the slant nose.
I didn't say I would turn it down.

356s are awesome, but somewhat expensive for what they are. Not too much for a classic, though. I know they are real fun to drive, but that's still not quite worth the price. But if I were collecting classic cars, I guess a 356C would be the second one I'd hunt after the Plymouth GTX.

It's not about balls for me, it's about elegance. Short of a run at Nurburgring I'll never see the the edge of a modern Porsche even on the horizon. They've gotten so good they don't need me. A true driver will tell you that it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. I like the simplicity of the early Porsche, the direct mechanical feel. It's a car that can be driven fast by the right driver. I live in Northern California surrounded by mountain roads where a big bore turbo would be just heat and something to make brakes glow. Launching from turn to turn isn't as satisfying to me as being involved in carving them in a nicely balanced machine that needs my input to do the job right.

That being said, I'd leap all over a chance to own a Cayman S...


Yeah. And BTW one thing I love is the videos of brats on riced-up Mustangs "racing" every car they see on the highway. Occasionally they run across Porsches, and only a couple times out of a hundred have I seen the Porsche driver even pay attention.
The Porsche driver knows who gets pulled over first.


I wish the GT2 wasn't so damn expensive... I'm struggling to afford at least the C4S or hopefully a Turbo, for it at least can be tuned to come close to GT2. Working on the futures market rather than a lottery, though; better chances here. If I succeed, I'm definitely getting the one on the pic. If I fail, I might be in the market for a really beaten-up 964 if not a 914. No chance at the GT2, though. The damn things don't depreciate at all.
The big baddies would be great to drive, I just don't know that I need to own them.

The car I want is this one: (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3319349)

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3278/1981/33193490010_large.jpg

It's my friend's car with special modifications. See linky for details :D

The car I want is this one: (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3319349)

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3278/1981/33193490010_large.jpg

It's my friend's car with special modifications. See linky for details :D

Quality.

Quality.

The front bumper extension fell off at 40mph if I remember last night's conversation correctly.

http://p.webwombat.com.au/motoring/images/jaguar-c-xf-2-big.jpg

:)

What sort of car do you drive?
This, except mine's black
http://www.bellcu.net/bellcu/Images/2002_Jeep_Liberty_Sport%20005-2.jpg
What sort of car do you want?
Probably this:
http://www.autointheknow.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/nissan-versa-image-1.jpg

It's not about balls for me, it's about elegance. Short of a run at Nurburgring I'll never see the the edge of a modern Porsche even on the horizon. They've gotten so good they don't need me. A true driver will tell you that it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.
That's true... but the Porsches are about the only modern cars that need you. Short of TVR and the such, but there's one difference, TVRs apparently break down all the time, while Porsches are as reliable as Hondas. Ferrari, Maserati, other high-ends - all of these cars are designed to drive fast despite you. Porsches are still designed to let you drive fast. So they may be less driver-centered than ones of old, but they're still the best out of the modern cars.


I like the simplicity of the early Porsche, the direct mechanical feel. It's a car that can be driven fast by the right driver. I live in Northern California surrounded by mountain roads where a big bore turbo would be just heat and something to make brakes glow. Launching from turn to turn isn't as satisfying to me as being involved in carving them in a nicely balanced machine that needs my input to do the job right.
You can do all the same in a modern 997... in a Carrera 2, at least. Just as long as you don't make it your goal to get around as fast as you can. Say, if you observe the speed limit, every car can do 80mph on the straight, but in a Porsche you'll be doing 80mph in the tightest corners - if you're skillful enough.

By the way, if you really want, you can fit the 996 or 997 with a multi-chip that offers selectable engine tunes. Basically, with a flick of a switch, you can turn the same machine into a silent 40+ mpg hypermiler, or a 700 bhp racecar, or a balanced cruiser, or the stock sports car. So program a low tune into it and go as if you were in 1960s... the option is always there.



That being said, I'd leap all over a chance to own a Cayman S...
I've tried out a Boxster S, and one thing I can say, I don't like it in the least. It's wrong, it has lost that Porsche feel - Boxsters and Coxsters are just a poor man's Ferrari.


The Porsche driver knows who gets pulled over first.
In street races, both do. It's just that - why would you care? Validation through highway race is for the people who aren't confident in themselves.


The big baddies would be great to drive, I just don't know that I need to own them.
Well... this is not the kind of car you need, it's the kind of car you want. Once I had a few test-drives in Porsches, I got addicted - it's so way different from anything else, so involving that nothing else will do.

It's my friend's car with special modifications. See linky for details :D

Just let your friend know, Pininfarina isn't hiring at the moment...

The Civics are all great handlers, especially the older ones with double wishbone on both ends. They turn like a low-end sports car, and I mean a sports car, not a muscle car.
Methinks you guys should start getting some sort of signature collection going to get the actual leaders of the insanely good small car segment, Renaultsport, to the States.

I can't believe those things aren't being sold there. You guys are missing out.

Methinks you guys should start getting some sort of signature collection going to get the actual leaders of the insanely good small car segment, Renaultsport, to the States.
The big difference between a French car and a Japanese car (even US-built) is that a French car gives you five years of trouble and then dies out, while a Japanese car just plain works for the first ten years, and then starts giving you trouble. Unless it's a Toyota truck.

As a result, the pricey Honda Civic Type-R, the Toyota Celica or the MR2 may well end up way less expensive overall than a French car for half the price. And the Type-R, Celica or MR2 will be better than a non-sports car from any manufacturer.

Methinks you guys should start getting some sort of signature collection going to get the actual leaders of the insanely good small car segment, Renaultsport, to the States.

I can't believe those things aren't being sold there. You guys are missing out.
Stop taunting us.

The big difference between a French car and a Japanese car (even US-built) is that a French car gives you five years of trouble and then dies out, while a Japanese car just plain works for the first ten years, and then starts giving you trouble. Unless it's a Toyota truck, in which case it rusts out faster than your Porsche 956 around Nürburgring.

As a result, the pricey Honda Civic Type-R, the Toyota Celica or the MR2 may well end up way less expensive overall than a French car for half the price. And the Type-R, Celica or MR2 will be better than a non-sports car from any manufacturer.

Fixed. :p I'd actually like to see more European sport-compacts here in North America to compete with Japanese. Cars like the Mazdaspeed 3 and the Civic Type-R seem to be getting more and more popular so variety in the market wouldn't be a bad thing.

I would Probably want to drive a 2009 BMW 750Li

Fixed.
Have you even seen one of these? Take it from 2000, 1990, 1980, whatever - they'll likely run better than an American 5-year-old or a European 3-year-old car. I myself have a 13 years old truck, which I've been abusing, and it's still good as new. The engine perhaps could use a rebuild to regain its original power, but as far as the chassis and the body go, they're perfect.

First of all, the body-on-frame construction is not susceptible to rust. Second, Japanese cars seem to have better coating, at least they rust much slower than most. That includes the bodies on the trucks. I've seen hundreds of rusted-through Fords, not one rusted-through Toyota truck.

i have
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5267/peugeot307.jpg

i want
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3346/123107012008mercedescls.jpg

or
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4706/bentleyflyingspur.jpg

expensive tastes? me? nawww...
sometimes i like the finer things in life. i'd probably want a Maybach if it didn't require having a chauffeur

The big difference between a French car and a Japanese car (even US-built) is that a French car gives you five years of trouble and then dies out, while a Japanese car just plain works for the first ten years, and then starts giving you trouble. Unless it's a Toyota truck.
That was 10 years ago. Today (http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/man_index_2.html?apc=3128339010848601&searchtype=relindex) they might not be near the level of a Honda, but they beat Mercedes, Audi and Saab. And they are apparently more than twice as reliable as Porsches. And that is for standard Renault, the RS models are built in a separate factory to higher specifications, given how extreme (http://www.topgear.com/uk/renault/megane-225/road-test/renaultsport-r26.r) some of them are.

The fact of the matter is that in the year that I drove a six-year old model with 100,000km on the clock, like a maniac and occasionally on the track, it never gave me trouble with the exception of a faulty speedo. And I never used that thing anyways. ;)

The big difference between a French car and a Japanese car (even US-built) is that a French car gives you five years of trouble and then dies out, while a Japanese car just plain works for the first ten years, and then starts giving you trouble. Unless it's a Toyota truck.


10 years? Are you nuts? My 1999 Civic is 10 years, and it has not had a single problem, I know people with Civics from the early 90s, going on 20 years, still no problems. Keep up with general upkeep, and a Honda will not let you down.

And that would be correct Vault 10, it has double wishbone up front, and in the back. Not that retarded multi link suspension in the newer ones. My 99 stays very level around corners, and even with 195,000 miles, I don't mind taking corners hard with it, even with those crappy wal mart tires on it ( its a winter car, Im not dumping more than 200 bucks for tires into it ), and yeah the ride is very very good for a small car. It doesn't feel cheap either, feels like a car that cost 30,000 dollars, not 17,000 dollars. Not in size, just in build quality. I love hondas, so much.

If you want a car thats truly brutal, try out my freshly modified impala SS, rock hard suspension, and no legal exhaust of any kind. Its yummy :D


I would not mind one of these though,

http://www.tuningnews.net/news/060713b/startech-jeep-commander.jpg

That's true... but the Porsches are about the only modern cars that need you. Short of TVR and the such, but there's one difference, TVRs apparently break down all the time, while Porsches are as reliable as Hondas. Ferrari, Maserati, other high-ends - all of these cars are designed to drive fast despite you. Porsches are still designed to let you drive fast. So they may be less driver-centered than ones of old, but they're still the best out of the modern cars.
Again, I'm not one you have to sell on Porsches. However, I like older cars.



You can do all the same in a modern 997... in a Carrera 2, at least. Just as long as you don't make it your goal to get around as fast as you can. Say, if you observe the speed limit, every car can do 80mph on the straight, but in a Porsche you'll be doing 80mph in the tightest corners - if you're skillful enough.

By the way, if you really want, you can fit the 996 or 997 with a multi-chip that offers selectable engine tunes. Basically, with a flick of a switch, you can turn the same machine into a silent 40+ mpg hypermiler, or a 700 bhp racecar, or a balanced cruiser, or the stock sports car. So program a low tune into it and go as if you were in 1960s... the option is always there.
You're missing the point, it's not about horsepower and you do not 'get the same effect' by simply de-tuning a modern Porsche.




I've tried out a Boxster S, and one thing I can say, I don't like it in the least. It's wrong, it has lost that Porsche feel - Boxsters and Coxsters are just a poor man's Ferrari.
I would argue that GT oriented PSM rigged 911s get away from that 'Porsche' feel. The Cayman is pure Porsche in a lot of ways, light weight, nimble, more with less. A spiritual decedent of the 550 and DNA decedent of the often under-estimated 914/6, I think it carries the spirit of Porsche in the way that the flagship no longer can.

I don't want to explore the lengths I'd go to, by the way, for a good 550 RS or 904 GTS...especially a 904, the last of the true drive to the racetrack Porsches...mmmm, butter.





Well... this is not the kind of car you need, it's the kind of car you want. Once I had a few test-drives in Porsches, I got addicted - it's so way different from anything else, so involving that nothing else will do.
Again, not someone you have to sell on Porsches. I just don't need to own the gnarliest of the gnarlies. Drive them, you bet. On a track...god yes. I just don't need it in my garage. There are many flavors of the ice cream Porsche, the ones that serve me best are the ones with the mechanical feel to them or the ones like the Cayman, pure handling machines.

That was 10 years ago. Today (http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/man_index_2.html?apc=3128339010848601&searchtype=relindex) they might not be near the level of a Honda, but they beat Mercedes,
Because Mercedes is another name for shit today. About 15 years ago, Merc has decided that their brand is so famous that they can save money on quality. They did, and the result didn't take any wait. Mercedes has consistently placed at the very bottom of reliability lists, competing for this infamy with Peugeot and Citroen. I think in a few years they'll try to force Lada into the surveys, because that's the only thing built worse than a modern Mercedes. The French cars are at least priced to match their lack of quality, and they're simply designed to only last 3 years (too much plastic). Mercs aren't.


And they are apparently more than twice as reliable as Porsches. And that is for standard Renault, the RS models are built in a separate factory to higher specifications, given how extreme (http://www.topgear.com/uk/renault/megane-225/road-test/renaultsport-r26.r) some of them are.
Porsche's low index is due to very expensive repairs, and the way this index is calculated, cost is important. They fail rarely, but when they fail, the parts are expensive. The Porsche Turbo engine alone costs as much as 25 typical car engines, or 9 Corvette C6 engines, or 5 Corvette Z06 engines, or 3 complete normal cars, and more than a complete Corvette, CTS-V, or a 3-series BMW.
One also should take into account that many of them break down due to improper handling of their performance, be it racing or just unskilled yet aggressive driving. And Italian exotics are lucky not to be in the index.

As to being extreme, that doesn't necessarily require better build quality.


The fact of the matter is that in the year that I drove a six-year old model with 100,000km on the clock, like a maniac and occasionally on the track, it never gave me trouble with the exception of a faulty speedo. And I never used that thing anyways. ;)
100,000km - that's impressive, yeah. Considering that when Hondas are bought used, they typically have well over 100,000km, and live up to the second resale, then go to another country for the third. That is 62,000 miles - it's a young car by any measure.

Right, so you want to know what I drive? Well, try this:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a300/WoollyLinnet/Marina.jpg

...although my working life is spent in a much more mundane one of these:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Peugeot_406_vl_blue.jpg/800px-Peugeot_406_vl_blue.jpg

Have you even seen one of these? Take it from 2000, 1990, 1980, whatever - they'll likely run better than an American 5-year-old or a European 3-year-old car. I myself have a 13 years old truck, which I've been abusing, and it's still good as new. The engine perhaps could use a rebuild to regain its original power, but as far as the chassis and the body go, they're perfect.

First of all, the body-on-frame construction is not susceptible to rust. Second, Japanese cars seem to have better coating, at least they rust much slower than most. That includes the bodies on the trucks. I've seen hundreds of rusted-through Fords, not one rusted-through Toyota truck.

Oh I know, I know. Just that in my part of Canada, older Japanese vehicles, especially the Toyota trucks tended to rust out rather quickly. Take my truck pictured a few pages ago, it's a 29 year old Chevy and notorious for looking like Swiss cheese where I live. But it has spent a better part of its life in a very dry part of Alberta and it shows, pretty much zero rust.

Oh I know, I know. Just that in my part of Canada, older Japanese vehicles, especially the Toyota trucks tended to rust out rather quickly. Take my truck pictured a few pages ago, it's a 29 year old Chevy and notorious for looking like Swiss cheese where I live. But it has spent a better part of its life in a very dry part of Alberta and it shows, pretty much zero rust.
So... let's make a full picture. You live in an area where the conditions are particularly bad and cause rust. Due to that, cars don't last 20 years, even Japanese ones (and sorry, but I've seen vehicles rust - the trucks last better). But an old car that has just been brought to this wet land from a dry one isn't rusty. Why is it not surprising?

So... let's make a full picture. You live in an area where the conditions are particularly bad and cause rust. Due to that, cars don't last 20 years, even Japanese ones (and sorry, but I've seen vehicles rust - the trucks last better). But an old car that has just been brought to this wet land from a dry one isn't rusty. Why is it not surprising?

Wait, what? Sorry, I'll clarify.

I live in an area predominantly filled with North American vehicles, trucks in particular. Of the older variety (let's say pre-1990) the few Japanese ones tend to be be rather lacking in sound body. This is either due to the number of older North American vehicles as compared to the number of older Japanese vehicles or the building techniques that differed between the two nations in that time period. In reality it is the former, but most people seem to see it as the latter.

Alberta is kind of the Canadian version of Texas, so if it ain't domestic it ain't worth driving and all that jazz. There is this stereotype (it's waning however) that anything foreign will rust out by the time you drive it off the lot.

Southern Alberta, where my truck is from, is even worse. Vehicles just don't rust down there, so the stereotype that domestics are rust free is blown way out of proportion.

Well I dunno about the reliability of this automobile, but ..

This Lotus looks cool (http://www.lotusgreenville.com/lotus/images/stories/lotus_cars/2010_lotus_evora_large_blue.jpg)

Someone copied someone ... Mazda RX-7 (http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=6757) ( To be honest .. all the new models look similar .. anyway)

Soooo.. where is the Ferrari?

What the bloody hell is that? (http://allcarsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/61452.jpg)


Now that's a Ferrari (http://image.internetautoguide.com/f/auto-news/2010-ferrari-599xx-sports-car-aimed-at-the-ferrari-599-gtb-fiorano-geneva/15207692+cr1+re0+ar1/2010-ferrari-599xx-700hp-sports-car.jpg)

Tho none of these can get with a Nomad (http://image.hotrod.com/f/9023126/2007_hot_rod_power_tour_day_4_pictures_12_z+1957_nomad+side_view.jpg) or an AMX (http://www.bigmusclecar.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/1970-amx-muscle-car-wallpaper.jpg).

Haha just kidding (as far as speed goes) , tho I do love the Nomad and AMX.

The American muscle cars.. can't beat em. In looks anyway. The Porsche and Ferarri have always held high regard.

100,000km - that's impressive, yeah. Considering that when Hondas are bought used, they typically have well over 100,000km, and live up to the second resale, then go to another country for the third. That is 62,000 miles - it's a young car by any measure.
Did I say it was as reliable as a Honda?

I'm saying that the crappy reputation French cars have for reliability is not justified anymore, because they have made massive gains compared to where they were before and compared to what the competition did during that time. And given that Renault and Nissan are actually the same company and are obviously doing a lot of sharing of processes and so on, you can see why that is. And similarly, Peugeot is nowhere near the bottom of the list.

None of which actually addresses my initial post, which is that Renaultsport cars are better fast, small and affordable cars than any modern Honda bar the JDM spec Civic Type-R. Don't get me wrong, I like Hondas, the DC2 Integra Type-R was awesome when I drove it. But they're just not as good as the RS Clios, not on track as far as times are concerned, nor on the road in terms of feel and fun as far as my own experience goes. The one exception is the S2000, but that's a different type of car anyways (and against a Clio V6, who knows...).

Sorry to dig up an old thread, but this is the first time I've managed to have my beast and my computer in the same location. Just for you Gun Manufacturers, one 1980 Chevy 3/4 Camper Special. It has 3 speed with a low gear so highway driving is an adventure (it'll do 120+ km/h with a nice tailwind :tongue:) but seems to enjoy cruising at 105 km/h dead on. The radio is broke so I was nearly tearing my hair out after the 5 hour drive home with it. But it runs like a top. :)

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs007.snc1/2844_90686509852_779899852_2453320_3633015_n.jpg

Looks like a great working truck. :)

So... let's make a full picture. You live in an area where the conditions are particularly bad and cause rust. Due to that, cars don't last 20 years, even Japanese ones (and sorry, but I've seen vehicles rust - the trucks last better). But an old car that has just been brought to this wet land from a dry one isn't rusty. Why is it not surprising?

You'd be surprised how bad it is in some places of North America, here in PA my 10 year old honda is starting to rust, and even the old volvos, with they're incredibly high quality steel and rustproof ting start to give up after 15 some years, thats why my 89 Volvo never goes out in the winter.

Its kuz here, they use rock salt on the roads,

Well I dunno about the reliability of this automobile, but ..

This Lotus looks cool (http://www.lotusgreenville.com/lotus/images/stories/lotus_cars/2010_lotus_evora_large_blue.jpg)

Someone copied someone ... Mazda RX-7 (http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=6757) ( To be honest .. all the new models look similar .. anyway)
I don't know that they look all that similar, and the Evora is very much a grown up Elise.

Soooo.. where is the Ferrari?

What the bloody hell is that? (http://allcarsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/61452.jpg)

AAAAAAAHHHHHH! UNCLEAN!

Tho none of these can get with a Nomad (http://image.hotrod.com/f/9023126/2007_hot_rod_power_tour_day_4_pictures_12_z+1957_nomad+side_view.jpg) or an AMX (http://www.bigmusclecar.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/1970-amx-muscle-car-wallpaper.jpg).

Haha just kidding (as far as speed goes) , tho I do love the Nomad and AMX.

I don't really like muscle cars, but I have a weak spot for the the Nomad and the AMX (though I liked the long nose and haunches of the Javelin a little better). I've been finding ways to justify an old sedan delivery as well, either '57 Chevy (Nomad style but without windows) or 1960 Biscy-somethingorothere sedan delivery.

Though, something with a seventies muscle car look with a Muira engine...Lamborghini Espada. (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3025/2988433423_798b6fd4e0.jpg)

So...I'm in the market for a vehicle, most likely used, but it could be a recent lease return, or even a new GM, considering they're probably desperate to sell. :tongue:

My primary concern is reliability, followed by fuel economy.

Any recommendations? I see several people like the Honda Civic, but I'm curious about other opinions.

So...I'm in the market for a vehicle, most likely used, but it could be a recent lease return, or even a new GM, considering they're probably desperate to sell. :tongue:

My primary concern is reliability, followed by fuel economy.

Any recommendations? I see several people like the Honda Civic, but I'm curious about other opinions.

What are your needs? Is it just a commuter? Do you have a long or short commute? Do you have to take stuff or people with you? Do you live in a rural area, suburban, urban? What's the weather like where you are? Harsh winters? Hot summers? Do you have any personal priorities, options you like, speed, low maintenance costs?

I want a remake of old Dodge/Plymouth (Charger, Cuda, Duster, etc..) with a composite body (that stuff that's 10 times lighter and 6 times stronger than steel) with a plugin-hybrid engine that uses something like switchgrass-biofuel................ Make that 2 of them please.
:D

I want a remake of old Dodge/Plymouth (Charger, Cuda, Duster, etc..) with a composite body (that stuff that's 10 times lighter and 6 times stronger than steel) with a plugin-hybrid engine that uses something like switchgrass-biofuel................ Make that 2 of them please.
:D

Bio-cuda. My dad had a '65 Commando when I was a kid, sure it's not the 440 or those '70 some desirables, but I was a kid and I loved it. So, yeah, I've thought about it...

What are your needs? Is it just a commuter?

Yep.

Do you have a long or short commute?

Less than five miles

Do you have to take stuff or people with you?

Not often...people mostly.

Do you live in a rural area, suburban, urban?

Suburban

What's the weather like where you are? Harsh winters? Hot summers?

Wisconsin winters suck ass.

Do you have any personal priorities, options you like, speed, low maintenance costs?

Beyond the reliability and fuel economy already mentioned...low maintenance costs would be a plus. Aside from that, I'm pretty flexible.

Yep.



Less than five miles



Not often...people mostly.


Suburban



Wisconsin winters suck ass.



Beyond the reliability and fuel economy already mentioned...low maintenance costs would be a plus. Aside from that, I'm pretty flexible.
Suzuki just came out with a tiny all wheel drive car, but I don't have any data on it. The Focus and the Cobalt are cheap and likely can be gotten for pretty good deals. I've driven both and their not bad. Obviously not thrill rides, but work. I was actually a little surprised by the Cobalt, but it's being replaced this year. That might mean, though, that you can get a better deal on it. They get mileage in the thirties. Both are front wheel drive. For a little more there is the Fit, also pretty efficient and flexible interior, bells and whistles.

For even more money you can go with the all wheel drive Impreza which should handle the winters no problem. The interiors on the two American cars are pretty...well, crap. Who the fuck knows why they haven't improved that ever. All of these are under $17k.

EDIT: According to Edmunds, the 'true cost to own' is lower on the Fit.

Suzuki just came out with a tiny all wheel drive car, but I don't have any data on it. The Focus and the Cobalt are cheap and likely can be gotten for pretty good deals. I've driven both and their not bad. Obviously not thrill rides, but work. I was actually a little surprised by the Cobalt, but it's being replaced this year. That might mean, though, that you can get a better deal on it. They get mileage in the thirties. Both are front wheel drive. For a little more there is the Fit, also pretty efficient and flexible interior, bells and whistles.

For even more money you can go with the all wheel drive Impreza which should handle the winters no problem. The interiors on the two American cars are pretty...well, crap. Who the fuck knows why they haven't improved that ever. All of these are under $17k.

Eh...I was thinking a little older and a little cheaper...I have around 10-12k to spend.

Mostly just looking to avoid any paticular makes or models that have reliability/maintenance issues.

For a little more there is the Fit, also pretty efficient and flexible interior, bells and whistles.

though one should be aware that the fit can feel a bit jittery on only half maintained winter roads when traveling at speed, such as one encounters when wisconsin runs out of salt. especially on windy days. but that's more of a feeling than an actual problem - i drove mine through that big lake effect blizzard in indiana just fine, and the snow was so bad that i literally couldn't see the road in many spots.

throw some snow tires on that shit and it'll be all good.

Eh...I was thinking a little older and a little cheaper...I have around 10-12k to spend.

Mostly just looking to avoid any paticular makes or models that have reliability/maintenance issues.

Avoid VWs from the mid to late nineties.

Honestly, I can try and advise you, but you should know you're talking to a guy who bought a Porsche for $900 despite the following:

When I pushed on the brakes, I lost the gauges.
When I went over a bump, the engine hood would pop open.
The drivers side window did not roll up.
The windshield wipers did not work.
Something in the engine didn't sound right (turns out, only two cylinders were firing)
The registration tag was four years out of date.

and a bunch of other crap I can't remember anymore. And when fighting that got to be too much, I bought an even older car with a different list of issues. So, you can take some advice from me if you want...but you might want to consider that carefully...

I do not do sensible car choices, it appears.

Avoid VWs from the mid to late nineties.

So I have been told.

Honestly, I can try and advise you, but you should know you're talking to a guy who bought a Porsche for $900 despite the following:

When I pushed on the brakes, I lost the gauges.
When I went over a bump, the engine hood would pop open.
The drivers side window did not roll up.
The windshield wipers did not work.
Something in the engine didn't sound right (turns out, only two cylinders were firing)
The registration tag was four years out of date.

and a bunch of other crap I can't remember anymore. And when fighting that got to be too much, I bought an even older car with a different list of issues. So, you can take some advice from me if you want...but you might want to consider that carefully...

I do not do sensible car choices, it appears.

Well, given that I'm desperately trying to avoid a laundry list of issues, I guess I'll just keep hunting. :tongue:

Eh...I was thinking a little older and a little cheaper...I have around 10-12k to spend.

Mostly just looking to avoid any paticular makes or models that have reliability/maintenance issues.

If you've got that much to spend a used Focus or Cobalt is still within your price range. They don't hold the value that their Japanese counterparts do, but in today's world of cross-platform parts sharing a lot of the internals are similar, and in many cases it is the badge one is buying. ;)

Also, in a smaller car AWD isn't really necessary, at least in my opinion. While AWD systems have improved in terms of reliability there will still come a time when it will need maintenance and the price tag may be steep. A front wheel drive car with some good winter tires should get anyone through a North American winter just fine.

Go to your local library and see if you can find a recent copy of Lemon Aid (http://www.lemonaidcars.com/). It's a great resource, sorting out the bad eggs from the good ones in terms of used cars.

If you've got that much to spend a used Focus or Cobalt is still within your price range. They don't hold the value that their Japanese counterparts do, but in today's world of cross-platform parts sharing a lot of the internals are similar, and in many cases it is the badge one is buying. ;)

Also, in a smaller car AWD isn't really necessary, at least in my opinion. While AWD systems have improved in terms of reliability there will still come a time when it will need maintenance and the price tag may be steep. A front wheel drive car with some good winter tires should get anyone through a North American winter just fine.

Go to your local library and see if you can find a recent copy of Lemon Aid (http://www.lemonaidcars.com/). It's a great resource, sorting out the bad eggs from the good ones in terms of used cars.
I have to say, of the two I drove, when I drove the Focus I felt, "Yep, well...I'm certainly where I was going." (in fact, I had to think back and go, "Wait, have I really driven a Focus?" and then remember that it was last week...) The Cobalt I remember whining and trying to see if there was any other car I could take and then being pleasently surprised by how engaging it was for the kind of car it was. If you're going used you might even be able to get the SS which actually borders on really fun to drive.

Eh...I was thinking a little older and a little cheaper...I have around 10-12k to spend.

Mostly just looking to avoid any paticular makes or models that have reliability/maintenance issues.

Get a 00-04 SeVill SLS or STS, Caddi :D

Every toy that you could possibly want.

And its 300 Horsepower V8 only needs servicing once every 100,000 miles.

I have to say, of the two I drove, when I drove the Focus I felt, "Yep, well...I'm certainly where I was going." (in fact, I had to think back and go, "Wait, have I really driven a Focus?" and then remember that it was last week...) The Cobalt I remember whining and trying to see if there was any other car I could take and then being pleasently surprised by how engaging it was for the kind of car it was. If you're going used you might even be able to get the SS which actually borders on really fun to drive.

Uh, with that terribly large wing bolted to the back? Another car to look out for would be the later model Dodge Neon/SX 2.0. The ballsy SRT-4 was well liked by Car and Driver until the Mazdaspeed 3 came along and changed the whole game.

Eh...I was thinking a little older and a little cheaper...I have around 10-12k to spend.
'99 Subaru WRX. Best car in its price range. Just pick one with the transmission in good order.

Get a 00-04 SeVill SLS or STS, Caddi :D

Every toy that you could possibly want.

And its 300 Horsepower V8 only needs servicing once every 100,000 miles.

There's no way in hell that I'm buying a V8.

Uh, with that terribly large wing bolted to the back? Another car to look out for would be the later model Dodge Neon/SX 2.0. The ballsy SRT-4 was well liked by Car and Driver until the Mazdaspeed 3 came along and changed the whole game.

My last car was a Neon...I'd rather avoid another one.

'99 Subaru WRX. Best car in its price range. Just pick one with the transmission in good order.

I'll keep my eyes open for one.

the car i want is i want to live in a world where i won't absolutely need a car to not have to live in a damd city.