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Poll: The best actress of the last three hundred years?

New Chalcedon
10-04-2009, 01:00
I got bored, and decided to put up this poll.

Your options include Sarah Bernhardt, Marilyn Monroe, Sarah Siddons, Marlene Dietrich, Nicole Kidman, Katharine Hepburn, Bette Davis and Elizabeth Taylor. Short excerpts of their lives follow.

Sarah Bernhardt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Bernhardt) (1844-1923) was a French stage actress, as well as a silent film pioneer. Among her many achievements, Bernhardt was known for her ability to perform flawlessly even after losing her right leg (making critically-acclaimed silent films and sound recordings through to her final illness), enjoying several of her most notable triumphs in later life (she performed as Cleopatra when she was fifty-five) due to the flawless qualities of her voice, and was known by admirers and detractors alike as "The Divine Sarah".

Marilyn Monroe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Monroe) (1926-62) was an American actress, singer and model. After a long attempt to break-in to serious roles (a lifelong ambition), she finally succeeded in Bus Stop, in which she was acclaimed as one of the "great talents of all time" by her director, who praised her abilities until the day he died. Her next role, The Prince and the Showgirl, was similarly successful, and her fame was then established. Her refusal to abandon her lover, Arthur Miller, following his appearance before the HUAC in 1956, earned her the admiration of many for her courage. In 1958, she starred in The Seven-Year Itch (another star-making performance), and then in Some Like It Hot and finally The Misfits. She died in mysterious circumstances in 1962, which have continued to spawn conspiracy theories.

Sarah Siddons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs._Siddons) (1755-1831) was a British stage actress and the best-known tradegienne of her time. Best known for making the character of Lady MacBeth her own, she escaped poverty and insignificance, persisting until she found the role that was hers, and ruled Drury Lane for twenty years as the pre-eminent actress of her time. Eventually, at the age of fifty-seven, she made her farewell appearance on the stage, drawing such emotion from the crowd that they would not let the play continue from Lady MacBeth's sleepwalking scene until she had delivered a personal speech. She was also known for her portrayals of Queen Catherine and Desdemona, as well as Ophelia and Rosalind.

Marlene Dietrich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlene_Dietrich) (1901-92) was a German-American actress who worked both on stage and in film. Her first major role was as Lola-Lola in The Blue Angel, frequently considered the defining film of the Weimar era of Germany. She then moved to the United States, starring in a string of films in the early 1930s, including Morocco, Shanghai Express, The Scarlet Empress and A Foreign Affair. Despite having been approached by Nazi agents to return to Germany, she refused and became a US citizen in 1939. She was also known as a recording singer and a cabaret singer, with a world-famous voice.

Nicole Kidman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Kidman) (1967- ) is an American-Australian actress, whose breakthrough was her role as Rae Ingram in the 1989 film Dead Calm. She first appeared on the international scene in 1995, with her role as Suzanne Stone in To Die For, following up by starring as Satine in Moulon Rouge! and Virginia Woolf in Hours, in which she was considered to be the high-point of an otherwise gloomy and self-important film. She is the most highly-paid actress in modern history, and is also known for her charity work for children around the world.

Katharine Hepburn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Hepburn) (1907-2003) was an American actress (unrelated to Audrey Hepburn), most famous for her roles as Rose Sayer in The African Queen and pioneering social awareness of inter-racial marriage as Christina Drayton in Guess Who's Coming to Dinner. One of her better-received roles was as Eula Goodnight in Rooster Cogburn, although it was a middling reception compared to the acclaim she won as Eleanor of Aquitaine in The Lion in Winter. She holds, to this day, the record of Oscar wins for Best Actress in films.

Bette Davis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bette_Davis) (1908-89) was an American actress, who played in film, television and theater roles. She acted in over 100 films and shows, including her notable performances as Mary Dwight Strauber in Marked Woman, as Mildred Rogers in Of Human Bondage and as Julie Marsden in Jezebel, among many, many others, becoming known as "the fifth Warner Brother". During World War Two, her performances sold $2 million in war bonds in two days, and she appeared as the only white actress in a troupe arranged by Hattie Daniels who was willing to perform for black servicemen. During the war, she also ran the Hollywood Canteen, which was a servicemen-oriented bar at which there were always a few stars to perform for the crowds. In 1950, she revived her flagging career by playing Margo Channing in All About Eve, to outstanding reviews, winning for her work an Academy Award nomination, a Cannes Award for Best Actress and a New York Film Critics Circle Award, all at once. Her final Academy Award nomination was received for her role as Jane Hudson in Whatever Happened to Baby Jane? She continued to act into the late 1980s, eventually retiring in 1987 after completing The Whales of August. She died in 1989.

Elizabeth Taylor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Taylor) (1932- ) is an American actress often regarded as a larger-than-life character. She was one of the first child stars of Hollywood, and her first role was as Priscilla in Lassie Come Home, the groundbreaking first movie of the Lassie series. She went on to star in a successful series of films as a child star (including another Lassie film), before making the transition to adult acting in 1949 with Conspirator which earned her critical acclaim, despite its box-office flop. Her pivotal role as Angela Vickers in A Place in the Sun in 1951 cemented her successful transition to adult roles: Taylor was universally acclaimed for her acting in the film, which was a great success. In 1963, Taylor became the highest-paid actress in US history to that point after accepting $1 million for the title role in the hugely-acclaimed Cleopatra, and dominated the silver screen throughout the 1960s. Since her retirement from film, Taylor has remained active, acting on stage and in made-for-TV films, including Divorce His, Divorce Hers and Malice in Wonderland. In 2007, during the height of the Writers' Guild Strike, Taylor appeared in a once-off charity performance of Love Letters, which raised over $1 million for AIDS beneficiaries. Rather than risking picketing, Taylore requested - and received - a one-night dispensation from the Writers' Guild for the performance.
Franberry
10-04-2009, 01:06
How do you rate someone such as "Sarah Siddons (1755-1831)" of which theres no chance you could've seen even film or heard audio of?

To judge "acting" should you not experience it in some way?
Marrakech II
10-04-2009, 01:16
Damn, we are only limited to the past 300 years! I wanted to say Mary Magdalene!
New Chalcedon
10-04-2009, 02:04
Damn, we are only limited to the past 300 years! I wanted to say Mary Magdalene!

:p Very funny!
Intangelon
10-04-2009, 02:12
Harriet Smithson. Without her to obsess over, Hector Berlioz would never have written his masterpiece, the Symphony Fantastique.
Naturality
10-04-2009, 02:32
Nicole Kidman and Marilyn Monroe shouldn't even be on the list.

Marilyn was an icon.. not a great actress. And Nicole? gtfoh.

I had the ultimate list set up once.. but it was on old puter.

I'd say replace Marilyn with Barbara Stanwick and Nicole with Sophia Loren. Off the top of my head.
The_pantless_hero
10-04-2009, 02:55
Nicole Kidman and Marilyn Monroe shouldn't even be on the list.
Johnny Depp is a better actress than Nicole Kidman, and he's a guy >_>
Naturality
10-04-2009, 02:59
Johnny Depp is a better actress than Nicole Kidman, and he's a guy >_>


Honestly .. I don't see what's so great about him either.

Oh! I see. hehe
Saige Dragon
10-04-2009, 04:54
It's a tie between Nancy Allen (http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Canal/5885/fotosgran/robocop.jpg) or Dina Meyer. (http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/tomatoes/299/3a190120.jpg)
The Black Forrest
10-04-2009, 05:02
So many choices.

At the top of my head, Myrna Loy, Audry Hepburn, Barbara Stanwick, Gene Tierney, Rosalind Russell.

If I had to pick, Myrna Loy.

But then I would find any woman that can make the black lists for Hitler and McCarthy pretty damn amazing! :)
Lacadaemon
10-04-2009, 05:21
What't the criteria for best? Wankbank or actual acting skill?
CanuckHeaven
10-04-2009, 06:28
Female Performers Receiving 5 or More Acting Nominations (ordered by number of nominations and wins)

Actress Nominations Number of Competitive Acting Awards Won

Meryl Streep 15 2
Katharine Hepburn 12 4
Bette Davis 10 2
Geraldine Page 8 1
Ingrid Bergman 7 3
Jane Fonda 7 2
Greer Garson 7 1
Jessica Lange 6 2
Maggie Smith 6 2
Ellen Burstyn 6 1
Judi Dench 6 1
Vanessa Redgrave 6 1
Sissy Spacek 6 1
Deborah Kerr 6 0
Thelma Ritter 6 0
Kate Winslet 6 1
Olivia de Havilland 5 2
Elizabeth Taylor 5 2
Anne Bancroft 5 1
Cate Blanchett 5 1
Susan Hayward 5 1
Audrey Hepburn 5 1
Jennifer Jones 5 1
Shirley MacLaine 5 1
Susan Sarandon 5 1
Glenn Close 5 0
Irene Dunne 5 0

http://www.filmsite.org/oscars3.html

Top 3 for me in bold.
Naturality
10-04-2009, 06:34
Female Performers Receiving 5 or More Acting Nominations (ordered by number of nominations and wins)

Actress Nominations Number of Competitive Acting Awards Won

Meryl Streep 15 2
Katharine Hepburn 12 4
Bette Davis 10 2
Geraldine Page 8 1
Ingrid Bergman 7 3
Jane Fonda 7 2
Greer Garson 7 1
Jessica Lange 6 2
Maggie Smith 6 2
Ellen Burstyn 6 1
Judi Dench 6 1
Vanessa Redgrave 6 1
Sissy Spacek 6 1
Deborah Kerr 6 0
Thelma Ritter 6 0
Kate Winslet 6 1
Olivia de Havilland 5 2
Elizabeth Taylor 5 2
Anne Bancroft 5 1
Cate Blanchett 5 1
Susan Hayward 5 1
Audrey Hepburn 5 1
Jennifer Jones 5 1
Shirley MacLaine 5 1
Susan Sarandon 5 1
Glenn Close 5 0
Irene Dunne 5 0

http://www.filmsite.org/oscars3.html

Top 3 for me in bold.

Meryl Streep being ahead of all of them smells of you scratch mine I scratch yours. She IS NOT that good.

No way in hell she should be numero uno.
Naturality
10-04-2009, 06:35
If she's leading, then I now know it's fixed. BAH
Naturality
10-04-2009, 06:40
Elizabeth Taylor OR Katherine Hepburn owns her ass 10 times over.

Not even mentioning many others.

What a jip.
Naturality
10-04-2009, 06:48
Jane Fonda doesn't need to be on that list either.

Her dad sure as hell does tho, on the mens version.
Naturality
10-04-2009, 07:00
What't the criteria for best? Wankbank or actual acting skill?

Skill.

Though I know there are many with skill and not looks that never get props. The mother in Grapes of Wrath for instance. No good movie would be a good movie without those 'second hand' damn goood actors. I'd have to really study to know those names.

Well actually I believe she got an award. But I understand the looks thing.
Naturality
10-04-2009, 07:13
I'd be a liar if I said looks didn't play into it one way or the other. Elizabeth Taylor is the most beautiful woman I've ever laid eyes on. On top of that she was a damn good actress.
Naturality
10-04-2009, 07:14
But if she had been drop dead good looking with not a lot of acting talent.. I wouldn't name her here.
Heinleinites
10-04-2009, 07:24
Off of the poll, I picked Katherine Hepburn, but I'd have to say Rita Hayworth, Greta Garbo or Maureen O'Hara outdo her.
Naturality
10-04-2009, 07:27
Off of the poll, I picked Katherine Hepburn, but I'd have to say Rita Hayworth, Greta Garbo or Maureen O'Hara outdo her.

Good ones. But they aren't gonna boot Katherine. They just need to replace some others on said list.
Heinleinites
10-04-2009, 07:46
Good ones. But they aren't gonna boot Katherine. They just need to replace some others on said list.

Maureen O'Hara gets my vote for co-starring in some of John Wayne's greatest movies, like The Quiet Man or Big Jake or McClintock. It doesn't hurt that she was smoking hot, either
Ring of Isengard
10-04-2009, 08:07
Do porn stars count?
Rambhutan
10-04-2009, 10:03
Glad to see Meryl 'Look I am doing an accent' Streep is not on the list.

Katherine Hepburn, Jodie Foster, Reese Witherspoon, Kathy Bates
Risottia
10-04-2009, 13:11
Meh. The only one who was a decent actress in the list is Katharine Hepburn.
Still I prefer Anna Magnani, Gina Lollobrigida, Audrey Hepburn, Vanessa Redgrave and Susan Sarandon.

As for promising young actresses, Natalie Portman might do it.
Desperaclitus
10-04-2009, 13:17
I would have voted for Sophia Loren, had she been included. Look up a movie named "Two Women" for an excellent example of her acting skills.
Rambhutan
10-04-2009, 13:33
As for promising young actresses, Natalie Portman might do it.

I thought she was terrible in V for Vendetta, though the whole thing was a bit of a mess.
Risottia
10-04-2009, 13:39
I thought she was terrible in V for Vendetta, though the whole thing was a bit of a mess.

I didn't even considered go watching it: it was already clear from the posters that it was going to suck like a vacuum cleaner.

I'm thinking more of Portman in Leon and in that movie of Woody Allen's.
Sapient Cephalopods
10-04-2009, 15:00
To break out of the Euro/North-American-centric box, hows about Gong Li. Aside from being an old school Hollywood glam queen, she's got some serious acting chops.
Farnhamia Redux
10-04-2009, 15:04
Nicole Kidman and Marilyn Monroe shouldn't even be on the list.

Marilyn was an icon.. not a great actress. And Nicole? gtfoh.

I had the ultimate list set up once.. but it was on old puter.

I'd say replace Marilyn with Barbara Stanwick and Nicole with Sophia Loren. Off the top of my head.

Absolutely, how could anyone compile a list of great actresses and leave Stanwyck off? Sophia Loren, I guess. I don't personally care for her, but Joan Crawford certainly deserves to be on the list.

And since the OP reached back, why leave out Ellen Terry and Mrs. Patrick Campbell?

I myself voted for Katherine Hepburn.
Rhursbourg
11-04-2009, 03:02
would pick Lauren Bacall or Greta Garbo
Truly Blessed
11-04-2009, 04:42
I went with Katharine Hepburn but Bettie Davis really close
Skallvia
11-04-2009, 04:44
Keira Knightley, I think it goes without saying, ;)
Truly Blessed
11-04-2009, 04:46
Modern day. Meryl Streep has got to at least make the list.
Anachronautica
11-04-2009, 04:48
Scarlett Johannson.
Because she's fucking beautiful.
Truly Blessed
11-04-2009, 04:49
Off of the poll, I picked Katherine Hepburn, but I'd have to say Rita Hayworth, Greta Garbo or Maureen O'Hara outdo her.

Oooooooh tough call. We could go by Oscars? What is our ruler? How does one determine skill?
Truly Blessed
11-04-2009, 05:02
Ingrid Bergman will be standing next to Humphrey Bogart on a pier in everyone mind forever.
Risottia
11-04-2009, 09:45
To break out of the Euro/North-American-centric box, hows about Gong Li. Aside from being an old school Hollywood glam queen, she's got some serious acting chops.

No she has not. She's got only two expressions. With the hat and without.
Risottia
11-04-2009, 09:46
Scarlett Johannson.
Because she's fucking beautiful.

Too bad that she couldn't act - even less - she coulnd't even change expression to save her life. Just like, dunno, Keira Knightley, if we want to keep on the Barbie side of it.
Dingle nation
11-04-2009, 10:51
i still think sarah michelle gellar is the best actress.

she is beautiful and stared in buffy the vampire slayer best tv show ever.
Lacadaemon
11-04-2009, 10:54
I've thought about it long and hard, and it has to be Gina Gershon.