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Now. It is actually his name.

Second, we all know that Bush wasn't Hitler. Yet people called him Chimpy McBushitler all the time, remember? People ridiculed him for being dyslexic, remember?

Now, understand that bush wasn't a good President, he was a bad President. But the point is, people are going to insult you if you're going to be in charge. THey're not insulting Obama because he's black, they're insulting him because he's President.

Even when people insulted Bush, that wasn't proper.

:hail: The Dark Lord

I am imagining Bush joining this forum, and I am seeing much moderator action.

"If y'all notice, here he called me and idiot, and said I am inept in my field of expertise."

Now. It is actually his name.


Are you going to pretend that there is not an intended reference to Saddam when detractors call him "Barrak HUSSEIN Obama" or even just "Hussein?"


Second, we all know that Bush wasn't Hitler. Yet people called him Chimpy McBushitler all the time, remember?

I have never once heard anyone call him that.

People ridiculed him for being dyslexic, remember?

He's dyslexic the same way that every kid who can't sit still has ADD and every emo on the internet has Asperger's.

Now, understand that bush wasn't a good President, he was a bad President. But the point is, people are going to insult you if you're going to be in charge. THey're not insulting Obama because he's black, they're insulting him because he's President.

People insulted Bush because of what he did, not who he was.

And you know, frankly, considering that the invasion of Iraq resulted in upwards of a million innocent dead, I don't think a comparison to Hitler is all that unwarranted.

Obama has been "Osambo" or "the Dark Lord" or "HUSSEIN" or "Osama - OOPS I mean Obama, ha ha ha how funny I am!" since the minute he came to public attention.

Not every President is the target of racism and bigotry. And even if they were, that doesn't excuse it.

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maybe they were jut trying to explain that they were not.

He's dyslexic the same way that every kid who can't sit still has ADD and every emo on the internet has Asperger's.

And people who insult said emos over it are assholes and should become heroes themselves.

And you know, frankly, considering that the invasion of Iraq resulted in upwards of a million innocent dead, I don't think a comparison to Hitler is all that unwarranted.

On this rationale, Eisenhower is Hitler. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War) And, given the deaths in Iraq that some people attribute to sanctions, so is Hitler.

Obama has been "Osambo" or "the Dark Lord" or "HUSSEIN" or "Osama - OOPS I mean Obama, ha ha ha how funny I am!" since the minute he came to public attention.

Nobody apart from people on Stormfront calls Obama Osambo. As for "The Dark Lord", have you considered this is a comparison to, you know, Voldemort? In the same way people call Hillary the Evil Witch from the East because she's from an Eastern state?

Yes, this is childish. Inappropriate? Maybe.

Racist?

Obama? A wealthy, powerful, privileged person, the victim of racism? Are you serious?

The guy who went to prep school, proceeded to study law in the world's best colleges, (He's literally graduated from the best university on the planet), worked as an attorney and a college professor, then proceeded to become legislator, Senator, and finally President of the United States? My heart bleeds for his suffering.

On this rationale, Eisenhower is Hitler. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War)

You should have gone for Johnson. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War)

As for "The Dark Lord", have you considered this is a comparison to, you know, Voldemort?
Of course.

Probably doesn't help, though, that the last tall black guy most people saw in charge was voiced by James Earl Jones.

Of course.

Probably doesn't help, though, that the last tall black guy most people saw in charge was voiced by James Earl Jones.

Yeah, and it was a white guy, from England, inside that suit. *nod*

You should have gone for Johnson. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War)

Yeah. All three comparisons are retarded.

Yeah, and it was a white guy, from England, inside that suit. *nod*
From Bristol, no less. And if you've ever heard a Bristol accent, you'll understand why he was voiced over.

Scary it ain't.

From Bristol, no less. And if you've ever heard a Bristol accent, you'll understand why he was voiced over.

Scary it ain't.

Oh, quite scary. I heard the guy trying to act before the voiceover. It was pathetic.:(

Yeah. All three comparisons are retarded.
Yeah, we have a "Leader is teh Hitler" culture nowadays. Curiously, never happened with Maggie (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War)...must be an American thing.

Or USian, if you'd rather. *ducks*

Oh, quite scary. I heard the guy trying to act before the voiceover. It was pathetic.:(

"The Faarce is strong in this'un."

BO or BHO are perfectly acceptable. BHO is preferable -- a three-letter acronym is 25 times more specific than a two-letter one, and it's in keeping with the previous acronyms JFK and LBJ, or for that matter GWB.

"The Faarce is strong in this'un."

Oh gods, LOL!

You should have gone for Johnson. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War)

No, Kennedy, since he started it.

No, Kennedy, since he started it.
And now I suddenly imagine LBJ as a 9-year-old boy...

And now I suddenly imagine LBJ as a 9-year-old boy...

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Have I ever told you how much I love Photoshop? :D

Have I ever told you how much I love Photoshop? :D

And we love you for it!:fluffle:

Yeah, we have a "Leader is teh Hitler" culture nowadays. Curiously, never happened with Maggie (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War)...must be an American thing.

Or USian, if you'd rather. *ducks*

And for the record, all Iraqi casualties, including people murdered by the insurgents and people killed in ordinary crime:

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

And yes, the proper designation is American.

And people who insult said emos over it are assholes and should become heroes themselves.

...become heroes? What?


On this rationale, Eisenhower is Hitler. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War) And, given the deaths in Iraq that some people attribute to sanctions, so is Hitler.

Well yes, Hitler is indeed Hitler.

Eisenhower might be compared to Hitler, but that ignores the fact that war against Hitler was absolutely necessary, and that war back then was fought in a "total war" way. At least, that war was.

Invading Iraq was not total war, not in itself necessary (or defensive), and in fact based on the lies of the man in question (Bush).

Nobody apart from people on Stormfront calls Obama Osambo.

I wish that were true.

As for "The Dark Lord", have you considered this is a comparison to, you know, Voldemort?

Well, it isn't when a certain poster on this forum uses it; he means Sauron, the literal embodiment of all that is evil.

The "Dark" part also refers to his dark skin.

Yes, this is childish. Inappropriate? Maybe.

Racist?

Obama? A wealthy, powerful, privileged person, the victim of racism? Are you serious?

I never said he was "a victim" per se, but there's nothing about being wealthy or powerful that means people can't be racist towards you.

The guy who went to prep school, proceeded to study law in the world's best colleges, (He's literally graduated from the best university on the planet), worked as an attorney and a college professor, then proceeded to become legislator, Senator, and finally President of the United States? My heart bleeds for his suffering.

See above and; who said anything about his suffering? Of course, racism inspired by Obama will not happen in a vacuum, and plenty of non-Senatorial, non-President, non-wealthy, non-powerful, non-privileged non-professors can indeed be victims to said racism. Particularly if that racism gets legitimized.

Yeah, we have a "Leader is teh Hitler" culture nowadays. Curiously, never happened with Maggie (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War)...must be an American thing.

I wouldn't say so. At the time many (including me) found the sinking of the General Belgrano disproportionate and unnecessary to Britain's war aims (retaking the island.)

It was a while ago you know. But I can't swear that the words "Maggie Thatcher is Adolf Fucking Hitler" didn't pass my lips ...

Have I ever told you how much I love Photoshop? :D

:wink:

In a speech Kennedy spoke furiously against Nixon for calling LBJ "an ignoramus". I ask you, who would be so cruel as to say such a thing of Lyndon?

Eisenhower might be compared to Hitler, but that ignores the fact that war against Hitler was absolutely necessary, and that war back then was fought in a "total war" way. At least, that war was.

I'm sort of talking about the Korean War.

Invading Iraq was not total war, not in itself necessary (or defensive), and in fact based on the lies of the man in question (Bush).

If a war in which 100,000 people die over 8 years (including those killed by the other side) gets you called Hitler, then all national leaders that declare wars are Hitlers.

From Bristol, no less.

I feel all warm and fuzzy now.

At the time many (including me) found the sinking of the General Belgrano disproportionate and unnecessary to Britain's war aims (retaking the island.)

:rolleyes:

The only "disproportionate and unnecessary" action in wartime is the action that is disproportionately weak and unnecessarily ineffective.

The "proportionate" response is the one that applies overwhelming force to devastate the enemy and force him to give up as quickly as possible. The very idea of "disproportionate force" during wartime is ludicrous.

BTW: Maggie Thatcher is a hero of Western civilization.

BTW: Maggie Thatcher is a hero of Western civilization.

I beg to differ. Whilst she certainly sorted out the Argentinians, and also the trade unions, who'd been bringing this country to its knees since the 60s, she went too far, completely shutting down all English coal mines, and all but a few in Wales. She also privatised things that were actually run better by the state (God, I'm sounding like a communist) and started up the whole Global Warming scare bullshit.

The only "disproportionate and unnecessary" action in wartime is the action that is disproportionately weak and unnecessarily ineffective.
That's so obviously false that I wonder at your motivations.

If the UK and Somalia are at war, and Gordon Brown nukes the entire African continent, then goes on to shoot every black person in Britain, it's hardly proportionate.

EDIT: In fact, your statement is so blatantly false that I don't think it's a false dichotomy to claim that you are either trolling or have a terrible grasp of reality.

I do not like you, Behaved.

I second that.

I beg to differ. Whilst she certainly sorted out the Argentinians, and also the trade unions, who'd been bringing this country to its knees since the 60s, she went too far, completely shutting down all English coal mines, and all but a few in Wales. She also privatised things that were actually run better by the state (God, I'm sounding like a communist) and started up the whole Global Warming scare bullshit.

Maggie Thatcher is a legend.

Maggie Thatcher is a legend.

You weren't even alive when she was PM. Although we've had worse PMs, we've also had better.

You weren't even alive when she was PM. Although we've had worse PMs, we've also had better.

Like who?

Like who?

Churchill during war time, Lloyd George, Campbell-Bannerman, Asquith, and others.

Churchill during war time, Lloyd George, Campbell-Bannerman, Aquith, and others.

Churchill wasn't so good in the 59's. And he wasn't that popular after the war 'cos labour got in in 46. Whish wasn't bad cos of the NHS and social reforms.

Aquith was terrible.

Aquith was terrible.

Liberal Reforms mean anything to you?

...Aquith, and others.

Aquith was terrible.
Asquith.

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Asquith.

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And I almost picked up RoI on it as well, how embarrassing.

Asquith.

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Grrrr. :mad:

I didn't know how to spell it so I coppied it off his.

Grrrr. :mad:

I didn't know how to spell it so I coppied it off his.

So are you gonna explain why he was so terrible?

Grrrr. :mad:
Splnazi cares not for your anger!

:P

Churchill wasn't so good in the 59's.

You mean 50s, and that's why I said in wartime.

So are you gonna explain why he was so terrible?

He should've given woman the vote.

He should've given woman the vote.

Yes he should've, and Margaret Thatcher should've have given gays the right to marry. The good that Asquith did massively outweighs the fact he did not give women the right to vote. Also, he did propose a bill that planned to give women voting rights, but a little thing called the First World War got in the way.

He should've given woman the vote.

That is what I always held against Abraham Lincoln.

Yes he should've, and Margaret Thatcher should've have given gays the right to marry. The good that Asquith did massively outweighs the fact he did not give women the right to vote. Also, he did propose a bill that planned to give women voting rights, but a little thing called the First World War got in the way.

Ever heard of the "Cat and Mouse act"?

Ever heard of the "Cat and Mouse act"?

I have indeed. It stopped force feeding, released ill suffragettes and made hunger strikes legal.

I have indeed. It stopped force feeding, released ill suffragettes and made hunger strikes legal.

It was cruel, letting em out just to take em back again.

It was cruel, letting em out just to take em back again.

That wasn't the intended result, and and wasn't much cruller than force feeding them.

I second that.
he has his reasons, so what are yours?

he has his reasons, so what are yours?

Same as his, plus you practically worship Obama. You also seem, and please don't take this the wrong way, very immature and sheltered.

every emo on the internet has Asperger's.

there could actually be people on the internet with that disorder. for example, me. maybe that is why i seem odd, bizzare, prissy or whatever else you call me.

every emo on the internet has Asperger's.

there could actually be people on the internet with that disorder. for example, me. maybe that is why i seem odd, bizzare, prissy or whatever else you call me.

Muravyets and FO have Asperger's, SaintB is autistic and I have some Aspergic (is that a word) tendencies, all of us can write properly and aren't complete nutcases.

[QUOTE=No Names Left Damn It;14696841] you practically worship Obama.
making obama threads ,being annoyed when he is called the dark lord ,wondering which insult bothers the most people here and not wanting to judge him too much less than three months into his presidency is a zillion miles from worship. i still will call him by his initials, though i save BO for extreme provocation. BHO is just for when i don't feel like using any actual word parts of his name.

Everyone is picking on poor Behaved. :(

You would probably be more likable if you were not so...likable

[/QUOTE]very immature and sheltered. [/QUOTE]
can you give any examples of ways i seem immature and sheltered?

Muravyets and FO have Asperger's, SaintB is autistic and I have some Aspergic (is that a word) tendencies, all of us can write properly and aren't complete nutcases.

Besides basing your posts on actual facts. That's the difference between you 4 and Behaved. But to be fair, maybe we just need to let this girl grow into her posting abilities, if she develops them.

Muravyets and FO have Asperger's, SaintB is autistic and I have some Aspergic (is that a word) tendencies, all of us can write properly and aren't complete nutcases.
Dude, I can write properly. It's just that on the Internet, excluding e-mail, I often choose not to. if it bothers you that much when i write like this, i will not do on the forum anymore. I will treat the forum like e-mail instead of IM or in-game chat on the multiplayer games on www.the-n.com.

making obama threads ,being annoyed when he is called the dark lord ,wondering which insult bothers the most people here and not wanting to judge him too much less than three months into his presidency is a zillion miles from worship.

You seem obsessed by the man. Almost all your threads/posts are about him.

Dude, I can write properly. It's just that on the Internet, excluding e-mail, I often choose not to. if it bothers you that much when i write like this, i will not do on the forum anymore. I will treat the forum like e-mail instead of IM or in-game chat on the multiplayer games on www.the-n.com.

It is customary to type with fine grammar on NSG; it is perpetually bumpkin-hunting season here.

Dude, I can write properly. It's just that on the Internet, excluding e-mail, I often choose not to.

But why? People will take you so much more seriously if you write properly.

But to be fair, maybe we just need to let this girl grow into her posting abilities, if she develops them.

She's been here for quite a while now, and I think it's fairly clear she won't develop or mature.

Leave the poor kid alone ffs.

Dude, I can write properly. It's just that on the Internet, excluding e-mail, I often choose not to. if it bothers you that much when i write like this, i will not do on the forum anymore. I will treat the forum like e-mail instead of IM or in-game chat on the multiplayer games on www.the-n.com.

This is a debate forum after all, and we do like proper grammar and spelling.

It is customary to type with fine grammar on NSG; it is perpetually bumpkin-hunting season here.

I found that remark fairly humourous, good sir. You win 1 internets.

But why? People will take you so much more seriously if you write properly.

Not here. We tend to treat all opponents as children who must be educated.

She's been here for quite a while now, and I think it's fairly clear she won't develop or mature.

Well, I had a fairly awkward start on NSG. Of course, I like using proper grammar, and I don't get offended when other posters correct me. It helps improve my debating skills, after all. That's the reason why I said she may grow into a debater yet. *shrugs*

Leave the poor kid alone ffs.

She's 19, and yet posts incredibly immaturely. WMU, CM and RoI are all much better members of the NSG community than she is.

She's 19

I seriously doubt she is 19, no matter what she says.

You seem obsessed by the man. Almost all your threads/posts are about him.
I made most of my threads about obama because I thought many people liked/worshipped/obsessed over him. It's good to talk to people about things they would find interesting. Other people have made obama threads as well, so I did because others did, at least in part. the rest was knowing how people around the world feel about him.

I seriously doubt she is 19, no matter what she says.
Dude,how old do you think I am then?

Dude,how old do you think I am then?

I dont know, I just question 19. I could be wrong though.

I made most of my threads about obama because I thought many people liked/worshipped/obsessed over him. It's good to talk to people about things they would find interesting. Other people have made obama threads as well, so I did because others did, at least in part. the rest was knowing how people around the world feel about him.

Then you agree with NNLDI's assumption that you ARE, indeed, obssessed with Barrack Obama.

I dont know, I just question 19. I could be wrong though.

Her age would match mine, then.

I dont know, I just question 19. I could be wrong though.
go to my profile. you will see my birthdate and age there.

Her age would match mine, then.

You're 19, Parkus?

You're 19, Parkus?

Oui.

Then you agree with NNLDI's assumption that you ARE, indeed, obssessed with Barrack Obama.
Thats not what she said. She said she makes threads about Obama because he seems popular. Shes trying to make threads she thinks will generate conversation.
go to my profile. you will see my birthdate and age there.
Because you cant lie about your birthday?:p

Oui.

Well, the difference between you and Behaved is abysmal.

Then you agree with NNLDI's assumption that you ARE, indeed, obssessed with Barrack Obama.

For someone criticizing another poster for her spelling skills you seem to be a bit cavalier with orthography, comrade.

Well, the difference between you and Behaved is abysmal.

And even the difference between Behaved and our resident 14 year-olds, CM and WMU.

For someone criticizing another poster for her spelling skills you seem to be a bit cavalier with orthography, comrade.

Drop the 'comrade'.

Thats not what she said. She said she makes threads about Obama because he seems popular. Shes trying to make threads she thinks will generate conversation.

This is all she writes about.

Well, the difference between you and Behaved is abysmal.

Everyone has to have that experience which makes him an adult. Mine took two months--it is possible Behaved has not had such a metamorphoses yet.

Drop the 'comrade'.

Yeah, I dont know where the 'comrade' but came from.

Because you cant lie about your birthday?:p
I don't do that. I'm a little too honest for that. Some people might lie about their birthday, but not this person.

I don't do that. I'm a little too honest for that. Some people might lie about their birthday, but not this person.

Since you are becoming acquainted with NSG, you will have to brace yourself:

Source?

Well, the difference between you and Behaved is abysmal.
And also Milks Empire. Said poster is also 19 and according to his/her profile born the same month as me.

Yeah, I dont know where the 'comrade' but came from.

I can allow this conduct from Heikoku, even from you, but not from this total... whatever this poster may be.

I suddenly feel very old...and I'm only 27...

And also Milks Empire. Said poster is also 19 and according to his/her profile born the same month as me.

Behaved... sweetie... that's not what I meant at all. But as Parkus posted, perhaps you're still too innocent, you perhpas haven't had that jolt that propels you into becoming an adult. And it's good and well that you're like that.

Give it a rest, folks. Two-and-a-bit pages about another poster is waaaay too much. Try for another hit at the topic -- c'mon, you can do it if you really, really try.

:rolleyes:

The only "disproportionate and unnecessary" action in wartime is the action that is disproportionately weak and unnecessarily ineffective.

I get that you disagree with me about the sinking of the General Belgrano in the Falklands War.

I would argue that the ship WAS a legitimate military target. It was a warship, Britain's fleet was sailing for the Falklands and the Belgrano could pose a threat to the lives of British servicepeople.

However, the British submarine which sank the ship was so far superior to that old floating coffin, that sinking the ship was the limit of military necessity. One torpedo would have done that, or at most one in the bow and one in the stern.

That's a military aim, neutralizing a threat. Three torpedoes (and it seems one did not detonate) is deliberate slaughter. The sailors would pose no further threat without their ship, so sinking the ship is the tactical aim, not killing sailors.


The "proportionate" response is the one that applies overwhelming force to devastate the enemy and force him to give up as quickly as possible. The very idea of "disproportionate force" during wartime is ludicrous.

You are applying a model of "total war" from a half-century ago. The model WW2 was fought on, which we quite rightly reject now that our standards of "overwhelming force" are so much higher.

The most telling proof of military superiority is proportionate force. Achieve your war aim, barely lifting a finger.

Leave your "enemy" feeling like a fool to have even taken you on, not like a victim with a grudge to repay.

I guess it comes down to whether you want to win peace or win war. I personally feel that no side ever wins a war, it's only good when it's over.


BTW: Maggie Thatcher is a hero of Western civilization.

You speak for Western Civilization now? Silly me, I thought you were speaking for Ghenkis Khan.

Muravyets and FO have Asperger's, SaintB is autistic and I have some Aspergic (is that a word) tendencies, all of us can write properly and aren't complete nutcases.

I'm offended, of course I'm a complete nutcase! :)