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ID cards 'could use chip-and-pin'

The first ID cards have been issued to foreign workers
The UK's ID cards could be fitted with chip-and-pin technology to tackle identity fraud, the head of the agency responsible for them has said.

Identity and Passport Service chief executive James Hall said there were no "technical obstacles" to the idea.

He said this could allow ID cards to be used in cash machines and help online consumers "assert their identities".

Just half of the cards meant for non-EU nationals were issued in the scheme's initial months, it has also emerged.

Ministers predicted that between 40,000 and 50,000 foreign nationals would have had cards by the end of March this year, following the launch in November 2008.

But instead just 22,500 cards were issued. Mr Hall said the system was working well despite the "odd wrinkle", but the figures justified the agency's decision not to stage a "big bang" launch of ID cards.

'Compelling view'

Mr Hall said officials were holding talks about chip-and-pin as one way to help protect internet shoppers and users of cash machines.

He added: "One of the reasons for the format of the card is we have the opportunity to put it in to card readers and potentially use it in existing networks such as the ATM network.

"We are in discussions with the financial services industry and, if they come forward with a compelling view of the rationale for chip-and-pin for them, that's definitely something we'll take extremely seriously.

"If we conclude that chip-and-pin is a key part of making it useful, there's no technical reason why we couldn't do it."

The first biometric cards were issued in November, initially to non-EU students and marriage visa holders.

A spokesman for the UK Border Agency (UKBA) said 42,000 foreign nationals had been registered and had their biometric details taken, but not all had received their cards.

"There is no delay and all applicants have been enrolled, but it is only right their cases are properly processed and considered by UKBA to ensure they meet the strict criteria for working or living in the UK," the spokesman added.

Meanwhile, Home Secretary Jacqui Smith has announced which companies have won contracts worth £650m for cards and biometric passports.

IT firm CSC was awarded the £385m contract to provide application systems.

IBM won a £265m contract to build a database storing fingerprint and facial image data.


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http://http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7986618.stm

I persnoly HATE ID cards down to the frekain bone. And usin chip and pin means they'll get as easily stolen as credit card details :/ So NSG, what do you tihnk about the system they watn for em. In fact what do you tihnk about ID cards in general?

PS - sorry about all the typo's

Is it just me or did these people read George Orwell's 1984 and think "Oh good idea"

lol. Personly i hvant read it, but i know about the movie Big Brother.AM i right in guessing it ends with the govemrent being overthrown? If so i cant wait ^^

The UK needs a real-life "V."

Wait... Are ID cards compulsory? I don't think anyone in my family has them... and I definitely don't have one.

Anyway, I'm... not sure what I think of this... I guess, if it happens, it happens who am I to complain? (would I be allowed to complain xD)

they want thme to be compulsory, but for now there only issued to foriegn workers this year. 22500 have been issued.

Id rather go to jail and get raped in the arse everyday for the rest of my life than have an ID card.

they want thme to be compulsory, but for now there only issued to foriegn workers this year. 22500 have been issued.

Id rather go to jail and get raped in the arse everyday for the rest of my life than have an ID card.

I guess I'll be seeing some then (Other european does count as foreign right?)

As for the prison rape, I reckon I'll stick with the ID cards.

Man, this shit gives the conspiracy nutters credence. Maybe the black helicoptoTHIS POST CENSORED BY THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.

actully the ID cards are AIMED at other Europeans in Britian...

Screw, ill go greek style if they make me get em. Afed, here i come.

Brits that don't want IDd and chipped should just move to Canada. That's what it's there for, right?

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Good idea Ders, im moving to Canada!

Man, this shit gives the conspiracy nutters credence. Maybe the black helicoptoTHIS POST CENSORED BY THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.

LOL!

By the way, kudos to you for quoting Murray in your sig! :hail::fluffle:

actully the ID cards are AIMED at other Europeans in Britian...

Screw, ill go greek style if they make me get em. Afed, here i come.

Greaat, well, there goes my life -_-

Ah well, I don't intend to stay here (unless they try to make me leave that is...)

its basicly, if you dont get one they make em compulsory you get out. Whats the catch? You need to have a British passport with Fingerprints and retina scans to get out. So basicly you either get an ID card and stay, or get one and go.

its basicly, if you dont get one they make em compulsory you get out. Whats the catch? You need to have a British passport with Fingerprints and retina scans to get out. So basicly you either get an ID card and stay, or get one and go.

They're not putting that data on passports just yet, just some shiny microchip with an antenna on it which makes it easier to read by machine. At least I don't remember ever being fingerprinted and ret-scanned.

they want thme to be compulsory, but for now there only issued to foriegn workers this year. 22500 have been issued.

Id rather go to jail and get raped in the arse everyday for the rest of my life than have an ID card.

Realy?

its basicly, if you dont get one they make em compulsory you get out. Whats the catch? You need to have a British passport with Fingerprints and retina scans to get out. So basicly you either get an ID card and stay, or get one and go.

Not quite, I think they have started to issue biometric passports now but older ones are still valid for a fair amount of time. I have a non biometric passport which is valid until 2017. It'll be interesting to see whether, if the government changes at the next election, the conservatives will keep their promise to scrap ID cards.

As for refusal to have one goes, I agree with you, maybe not to the point of being raped every day. The catch of course is that if you're charged with any form of crime or "crime" you get fingerprinted anyway.

Id rather go to jail and get raped in the arse everyday for the rest of my life than have an ID card.

Yeh. Sure you would.

Hyperbolic statement of the week for NSG.

Yeh. Sure you would.

Hyperbolic statement of the week for NSG.

Maybe he is into prison rape? Who are we to judge?

Who are we to judge?

We are NSG! Busybodies supreame!:D

Lol i got a new UK passport about 2 months ago, it is an e-passport, didnt require any fingerprints or retinal scans, didnt even need an interview, just sent in my old one, the money, form and new photos... Same procedure for the other two passports i renewed this year (Australia and NZ), cept one of them wanted a full interview as the original was too old to be renewed.

Given the UK governments history of incompetence when it comes to large IT projects the chances of this actually working properly are pretty low.

Id rather go to jail and get raped in the arse everyday for the rest of my life than have an ID card.

I think they were planning to use a system of fines as an incentive, though maybe your suggestion might be used for persistent offenders.

I am against it. This is how "Mark of the Beast" is suppose to come about. Very bad idea!

I am against it. This is how "Mark of the Beast" is suppose to come about. Very bad idea!

Marc Singer? Oh no he was the Beastmaster...

I am against it. This is how "Mark of the Beast" is suppose to come about. Very bad idea!

Wat that Iron Maiden thingy? No no that's number of the beast.

Does everyone have to get one?

the reasoning behind them is flawed, and they're an invasion of personal privacy, make it a lot easier for anybody to steal your identity, they want transpeople to buy TWO of them, and they're godsdamn expensive as is. Suffice to say I am not happy with them. WORSE, it's a vote winner for the tories, who would be the worst conceivable thing to happen to britain since the current labour term.

the reasoning behind them is flawed, and they're an invasion of personal privacy, make it a lot easier for anybody to steal your identity, they want transpeople to buy TWO of them, and they're godsdamn expensive as is. Suffice to say I am not happy with them. WORSE, it's a vote winner for the tories, who would be the worst conceivable thing to happen to britain since the current labour term.

I agree with alomst all of this, except I think you made a small mistake with your comments on the Tories.

Surly you meant 'would be the worst conceivable thing to happen to britain since the last Tory goverment'?

I agree with alomst all of this, except I think you made a small mistake with your comments on the Tories.

Surly you meant 'would be the worst conceivable thing to happen to britain since the last Tory goverment'?

It seems to me like a competition between labour and the conservatives to be the worst government for britain at any time, but yes I'll concede that that is what I should have said in the first place. :P

It seems to me like a competition between labour and the conservatives to be the worst government for britain at any time, but yes I'll concede that that is what I should have said in the first place. :PNuh uh. I think your sentence was better the way is stood. It's along the lines of the "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried" quote. So indeed, New Labour are the worst governing party, except for all the others that have been tried.

Nuh uh. I think your sentence was better the way is stood. It's along the lines of the "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried" quote. So indeed, New Labour are the worst governing party, except for all the others that have been tried.

Nu-uh! Two words Maggie Thatcher!:mad:

This sounds like my DoD issued CAC.

Nu-uh! Two words Maggie Thatcher!:mad:Really? I would have thought Blair was worse. He continued Thatcher's work, but managed to get pretty much everyone to think it was in their own best interest. Only Blair didn't have to contend with an economic depression nor the unions, so it looked like everything he touched turned to gold whilst on the inside it was starting to rot.

LOL!

By the way, kudos to you for quoting Murray in your sig! :hail::fluffle:

:fluffle: He's a quotable guy. ^_^

The UK needs a real-life "V."
If you mean the comic book one then right on buddy.

If you mean the comic book one then right on buddy.

But, if you mean reptile aliens pretending to be humans, and harvesting us for food?

No thanks.

But, if you mean reptile aliens pretending to be humans, and harvesting us for food?

No thanks.

Well, as long as they make the Brits queue for it, they'll just accept it, if complain mildly.

No im not into prison sex, my own fault for sayin sumin likle that i guess. Still, over 75% of the UK population said they would refuse to get an ID card. Now some wil of course sitll get one so mthat leaves around 50% who will actully not get one if they become compulsory. How can they arrest over 'insert number please' people!? (i know its a good million number but aside form that im clueless)

How can they arrest over 'insert number please' people!?

They do not need to arrest them all at the same time. And instead of jailtime a fine of 50 pounds or so every time they cannot produce ID when asked by a police officer could be a nice source of income for the government.

Then you WOULD get riots for unfair and unlegitamized form of unethical taxation.

did i say Un-sumin enough times therE? :P

Then you WOULD get riots for unfair and unlegitamized form of unethical taxation.

Nothing illegitimate about it. If carrying an ID is compulsory, and you do not do it you are breaking the law - hence punishment.

dman your correctness!

You'd still get demonstartions, and oh look! none of the demonstrators have ID cards.... And im pretty sure that would lead to unnesecary violence. Why? They're technicly breaking the law and they're all together, what an oppertunity.

Seems to me like its just one more thing people will still, only now it would be literally your identity...

as far as stopping crime, it looks like its made of phale, lol...

other than that, meh...its them limey's bein all crazy with bureaucracy again...just pile another useless paper trail on, :rolleyes:

Nothing illegitimate about it. If carrying an ID is compulsory, and you do not do it you are breaking the law - hence punishment.

Since when did law determine whether something is actually just or not?

since Hitler

Given the UK governments history of incompetence when it comes to large IT projects the chances of this actually working properly are pretty low.

At least in the past when they have made a right royal fuck up out of something, the identities and personal details of tens of millions of British citizens aren't at risk of being leaked to Mr. Shady Rodriguez, CEO of Second Hand Identities R Us Ltd. If our comrades in government get their way, we'll all be logged onto that database eventually whether we like it or not.